With Boozer out, the Jazz are going to look for a big.

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,660191757,00.html

O'Connor said the team will look to make an acquisition to fill the void. He, however, doesn't anticipate anything happening before Monday.

What do you guys think about Derek Fisher?

I know that he's not the best defender or playmaker, but the guy is a gamer, can still play, and would certainly be an upgrade. He does have a bad contract, which is to be expected if we want them to take Nazr.

One scenario would be to send them Nazr and Flip Murray (and maybe a 2nd round pick to give them some consideration just in case Murray exercises his option after the year) for Fisher.

Flip could probably fill Fisher's role in Utah, or they could give more minutes to Dee Brown. Nazr could start at center, and Okur could stay at PF or Okur could go to center and they could start Millsap and bring Nazr off the bench.

I don't mind Fisher but we would be stuck with a pretty bad contract and I still think that we could do better.

i'd actually hate joe d if he grabbed fisher. dude is not someone i'd want.

He would help us win games, Nazr will not with the guys we have now. Flip type guy, good shot, known as a leader. Yeah, I'd do that, but its not my money (I think he makes like 9 mil at 36 years old).

(I think he makes like 9 mil at 36 years old).
It's bad, but not that bad.


2006/07 $5,880,000 (age 32)
2007/08 $6,370,000 (33)
2008/09 $6,860,000 (34)
2009/10 $7,350,000 (35)

I would take D-Fish. [/V.T.B]

If they took Nazr and Flip for him, that would also open up another roster spot if Joe wanted to sign a 10-day player.

that contract is garbage and Glenn is a waffle for suggesting we take it on. you get a mcloskey for that one.:mccosky:

Also when was derek fisher ever a leader? You mean it was him that kept shaq and kobe in line?

Also Glenn, you'd overpay fisher and not Jaric. Fisher barely shoots 40 percent. We already have linsey hunter for classic sub 40 percent shooting skills.. i want some a little more dynamic than fisher if we are paying that much..

Marko Jaric
2006/07 $5,834,983
2007/08 $6,389,439
2008/09 $6,943,894
2009/10 $7,498,350
2010/11 $8,052,806

Did you say something, Gutz?

Did you say something, Gutz?
yea, both contracts suck. you can't see that? lol rotflmao. you're being hilariously selective. on top of that fisher is older with no more peak left(in fact he's on the downside most surely). so is it me or you're value system is kinda off.

It's bad, but not that bad.

Oh, that's not bad. I thought the escilation on the MLE was higher than that if it was full. Sure, pull the trigger. 2:1 asst/to and the dangerous outside guy we need.

I would much rather have Derek Fisher for Marco Jaric money, than Marco Jaric for Marco Jaric money.

no more dangerous than any other pg who only shoots spot up 3's with consistency that could come far cheaper. if we're looking for a spot up guy, bring back delk for peanuts.

I would much rather have Derek Fisher for Marco Jaric money, than Marco Jaric for Marco Jaric money.
Well good luck with that. I wouldnt. And furthermore the "we should wait on something better" crowd should be the last ones ok'ing this.

Fisher runs an offense better than Delk. Delk only shoots, we'd be back to having Murray out there as PG (only Delk would make some of those shots). Derek Fisher is something better than Marco Jaric. Sure there are player better than both, but I don't see them as options in this update.

Fisher runs an offense better than Delk. Derek Fisher is something better than Marco Jaric. Sure there are player better than both, but I don't see them as options in this update.
Then no deal. Again the "we should wait on something better" people are waffled out. Namely Glenn. This isnt pick your favorite guy, if you were looking objectively at what fisher does starting vs what Jaric does off the bench, you wouldnt consider fisher so much better. And no he can't run an offense consistently. thats why he's the SG, not the PG in Utah next to the actual guy running the offense, deron williams..

Fisher runs an offense better than Delk.

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Fisher is a better point guard than Marko Jaric and has a year less on his deal. Gutz is spinning out of control here.

Fisher runs an offense better than Delk. Delk only shoots,
What does fisher do? make great passes? LOL. Play great defense? no..he's a SG, a shooting gaurd who only shoots 3's with consistency. Spot up ones at that. He's our PG answer? Bleh I retire from this wild reality where Fisher is the Ying and the Yang.:yingyang:


Fisher is a better point guard than Marko Jaric and has a year less on his deal. Gutz is spinning out of control here.
Yep so good that he doesnt play PG for utah...lol..

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Webber is great to funnel through, but you still need a true PG, which was evident in philly where they had really(Iverson is more of a scoring guard).

Again I like hunters game more than everybody here(you haters hide when he does well). [smilie=peepwall.gi: But I dont like having to wear him out through the rest of the season.


When that muufucka does well, I'm not hiding, I just must be absent. I still can't figure out how this man can't make a wide open jumper. I swear at some point in life he could shoot, I have no idea when this happened though.

Fuck. Now I gotta go look up Utah to make sure I'm straight on the subject.

It was my understanding that he's been starting at SG because their other options there are poor (shopping Giricek and their other choices are a rookie and a sophmore). I've been stating my opinion based on memory of him in LA and a little of when he was a Warrior. He's definately a back-up PG. No he's not the second coming of Chauncey, but the dude can hold down the PG spot while Billups is resting far better than the shit we are throwing in their now. He's a role player, overpaid, but proven.

Fisher is certainly more of a PG than Jaric.

Gutz is grasping at straws big time.

When that muufucka does well, I'm not hiding, I just must be absent. I still can't figure out how this man can't make a wide open jumper. I swear at some point in life he could shoot, I have no idea when this happened though.

hunter was drafted as a scorer out of college. He was never a great shooter here though (usually around %40). He did peak in 1998-2000 at around %43 with the arrival of Stackhouse (he had Hill and Dumars prior to that as well). I can't seem to find his college stats, but I remember experts saying he was a scorer in college. I can never figure out why he and Delfino can't hit a wide open jumper either. BTW, I didn't know Walter Payton, Lem Barney and Jimmy Smith all went to JSU.

He doesn't play point for Utah because Deron Williams has one of the best asst/TO ratios in the history of the sport. Fisher is a pg like damon Jones is, but he doesn't turn the ball over. Our main bench need is a scorer, Fisher is a scorer in the mold this team needs. Jaric is Fino with more dribble, less hops, better hands. Both would get some run here, but Fisher would be a unique talent on this team so he seems more likely to fill a role come the time.

Fisher is certainly more of a PG than Jaric.

Gutz is grasping at straws big time.

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nothing to grasp. you guys are overlooking all he sucks at and grading him as a laker. he's not worth the dough. he's not more worth it than jaric. if he ever was he still wouldnt be worth it at that price and that age.. brevin knight makes more sense by far. even making a run at mike james. the only pg i'd take from utah is dee brown period.


Fisher is a pg like damon Jones is,.
Which in my opinion we dont need.

Fisher would actually be a good compliment to Delfino. He would be the one standing at the arc hitting wide open threes and Delfino would be the slasher. The contract is ugly, but I guess if we moved Nazr that wouldn't be to harsh. The problem is that I think Nazr is more valuable than Fisher, so I'd want a pick back to make it fair. Nazr+Flip+2nd rounder for Fisher+first sounds good to me. Maybe we could package our first with theirs for a higher pick. They do get NY's pick this year, but only if it's 24th or worse, which won't happen.

Nazr has more value, and Utah gets over if we allow them to dump Derek fisher contract on us in exchange. People waffle up and act like that isnt a big deal now. Glenn was in tears of joy that we didnt make that move before. now its a good idea? waffle

again fuck fisher, get them to give up dee brown.

Which in my opinion we dont need.


Well, add this to the "Gutz posting dumb shit memorial warehouse and clearance center" as soon as we can get a forklift to move a few crates of oldies-but-goodies.

No need for a shooter? Who on the bench has range? Flip's O doesn't call for the floor to be spread?

Dee Brown runs the break like a madman on speed. give up flip and nazr for him.

Well, add this to the "Gutz posting dumb shit memorial warehouse and clearance center" as soon as we can get a forklift to move a few crates of oldies-but-goodies.

No need for a shooter? Who on the bench has range? Flip's O doesn't call for the floor to be spread?
yikes, dont be a cunt w/o a good reason atleast. its unbecoming and has no place here..
no need for a guy who can't get the ball to our other bench players and keep us steady after billups is on the bench. again thats my opinion. dont like it, eat some hay. this isnt a "whose mvp" thread and theres no solid proof that he works out here or not. just my opinion of his value to us and yours.

imo billups being out exposed that we need someone who can in some way get the team in gear off the bench with energy, passing, speed, and a little shooting on the side. Dee brown fits that and I'd prefer for us to go after him.

That's what we need. Another rookie PG that won't get time. Acker and Blaylock can add him to their speed dials.

That's what we need. Another rookie PG that won't get time.
Why wouldnt he? he's not one dimensonal like Blalock. He can run an offense and push the ball. It also covers the pick, since he's fairly young. Blah nevermind. Derek fisher threads are the new darko threads. I'll just end it by saying I hope Joe passes on him. Good luck conversing all that he does and forgetting all that he doesnt.

Dee Brown runs the break like a madman on speed. give up flip and nazr for him.

Gutz,

No disrespect but, Nazr ($5.6m) plus FlipJr. ($1.9m) = $7,500,000

Dee Brown makes $412,718

WTF?

Again, no disrespect.

I totally disagree with you on what we need Gutz. We don't need an amazing ball handler (not a slasher type guy). We need a guy that can hit threes and not turn the ball over. That's it really. Delfino is a slasher, not a sniper, but we have him stand on the wing the whole time with RIP. Neither stretch the floor for each other at all. hunter is a decent slasher himself. What we need is a PG or SF that can knock down the three and handle the ball decent. We do need a Derrick Fisher type. Whether he's worth the contract or not is another matter altogether. but he is the type of player we need. i'd prefer Mike James, but I'm guessing we don't have a chance at him.

If we add a dribble penetration PG then he's just going to be kicking it out to RIP and Delfino who don't shoot the 3 that well.

I'm in the Gutz camp on this one....the guy is Neifi Perez in shorts


and it's too cold for him here

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This is an interesting debate. Do we need another spot up 3-point shooting back-up point guard or do we need a guy that can score from the 2 or 3 position (which also allows us to rest rip and tayshaun)?

Is Lindsey Hunter's defense at the 1 position (in my opinion guarding the opposing team's pg is of extreme importance and a very small % of people do it better, if anybody, than Lindsey) more important than that 3-point shooting back-up pg?

Would finding that scorer from the 2/3 position make players like Delfino better (yes, in my opinion because he can be Mr. Activity and not be counted on to score) and Mcdyess more efficient (relieving him of his need to score every night off the bench, compliment his jump shooting ability and his impressive offensive rebounding ability)?

I personally feel that adding fisher would not make us into title contenders. We don't need another jump shooter. I think finding a legit scorer from the 2/3 position is infinitely more valuable than adding a Derrick Fisher. I also think you can play hunter as your back up point guard because with the added scoring you get from this newly found 2/3 would enable you to not need it from the 1 position.

Let's try and get someone's problem (ricky davis, Bonzi wells).

Fisher, jaric, marcus banks, some random bastard point guard is not what this team needs. Remember that Mike James was essentially our #3 point guard against the lakers and played less than 5 minutes a game. Lindsey's defense was much more valuable.

Then again, we did at least have scoring options elsewhere off the bench which made such a thing possible.

Remember that Mike James was essentially our #3 point guard against the lakers and played less than 5 minutes a game. Lindsey's defense was much more valuable.

Then again, we did at least have scoring options elsewhere off the bench which made such a thing possible.

You make some good points, as usual, but there is a big, glaring difference in the scenario that you mention above and this Pistons team.

And that is...
















the guy in your avatar

I disagree that we don't need a 3 point shooter out there, but I agree that Hunter's D is valuable. What's the status on Mo Pete rumors? He would compliment Delfino well, provided Flip actually rests RIP and Tay some instead of simply giving him Delfino's minutes.

I want to know how Gutz is so confident that Dee Brown can run an offense after 28 games of 7 minute/game playing time but he hasn't figured out that Derek Fisher is a point guard after 3 championships of playing point?

You make some good points, as usual, but there is a big, glaring difference in the scenario that you mention above and this Pistons team.

And that is...
















the guy in your avatar


Christ. I keep forgetting about that shit. Why can't we have a legit coach? Joe D. keeps making one poor decision after the other.

We missed our best chance here with Boykins.

yeah i too would rather hunter as our backup PG than to make that deal for fisher.

IMO the yaric deal is better than fisher. i personally would not like the deal but maybe that's just me....

fisher: uhh, pass. not at that price. if we're going to bring in a big K, he better make us tangibly better, cuz we wont be able to add another piece, and it might cost us chauncy. i dont think fisher makes us that much better.

marko: i've barely seen him play at all, but pass again. waaay too much money for what he's done so far. why would he break out here, rather than minneapolis? or is his prodution enough to ustify the $$$?

dee: loved him in college. havent seen him play 1 minute in the pros. doubt he would get any pt this year.

this is a stupid comment, but we could really use a guy like ben gordon. someone who can come in, heat up fast, and is a one man offensive unit. no one comes to mind.

That's because true point guards, much like true centers, are a lost art. The NBA now is forwards, forwards and more forwards.

That's because true point guards, much like true centers, are a lost art. The NBA now is forwards, forwards and more forwards.


Which is exactly why the best point guard in the NBA is staring at a 3rd straight MVP.