Panthers Like Brady?

There is some talk around the Senior Bowl that Panthers representatives showed a special interest in Quinn when he made his surprise appearance on Monday. John Fox and Notre Dame head coach Charlie Weis go way back and Carolina may be looking for 31-year-old Jake Delhomme's successor. Delhomme struggled in 2006, so Quinn could be starting by mid-season if Delhomme falters again, and the Panthers trade up in the first round. Currently holding the No. 14 overall pick, Carolina would likely have to shop a Kris Jenkins or a Chris Gamble to move up the board, possibly dangling Gamble and their pick to Detroit at No. 2. Despite a rough Sugar Bowl, I can't see Quinn falling past Miami at No. 9.
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kris jenkins and 14 for our number 2? deal! deal!

Deal depending on who's on the board at #2. More than likely a deal, although the whole "takes a play off, injury prone" thing remind me of someone we already have at that position. Chris Gamble wouldn't be bad either, but I'd want a bit more than just him and a pick. Maybe we can drag a 2nd rounder or 3rd and 4th rounders out of them

Everything could change after the combine, but there isn't a lot there at #14 that we would be targeting. I noticed it's mostly safties and WR's in the mocks, right now anway. I definately think we could get more than that from the Panthers. The difference between our pick and their pick is the #7 overall pick (in terms of value). So, you'd have to get a player that you feel is worthy of the #7 selection (if you had it right now) to make the deal even. Or, you'd have to get another pick with that player.

I wouldn't mind trading down and still getting Levi Brown or Joe Staley later in the first. Then you could add to the DL with Jenkins, OL with their pick, and then grab a MLB and OG with the extra pick from them and our second rounder. You'd basically shore up every position that you need (besides a shut down CB, unless you got Gamble, but I haven't watched him since OSU really).

Everything could change after the combine, but there isn't a lot there at #14 that we would be targeting. I noticed it's mostly safties and WR's in the mocks, right now anway. I definately think we could get more than that from the Panthers. The difference between our pick and their pick is the #7 overall pick (in terms of value). So, you'd have to get a player that you feel is worthy of the #7 selection (if you had it right now) to make the deal even. Or, you'd have to get another pick with that player.

If I were to guess, I think that Patrick Willis would be our target at #14. The Cover 2 defense needs an MLB that can cover.

That might be a reach for him though. He's projected in the bottom 1/3 of the first round right now. Granted, everything can change after workouts, etc at the combine. We can't really say whether guys are a reach right now for sure. I like Willis too. I'd love a #2 for #14, Gamble and a second rounder.

Willis, Staley (our 2nd rounder), OG (Panthers 2nd rounder), DE in the 3rd?

That might be a reach for him though. He's projected in the bottom 1/3 of the first round right now. Granted, everything can change after workouts, etc at the combine. We can't really say whether guys are a reach right now for sure. I like Willis too. I'd love a #2 for #14, Gamble and a second rounder.

Willis, Staley (our 2nd rounder), OG (Panthers 2nd rounder), DE in the 3rd?
Willis, Staley, OG, DE, AND Gamble. You can't forget him in this thing. I still would like to see us pick up that elite OT with a top pick though. 14 is a big drop. I'd do Gamble and their first for our first for sure if it was a top 7-8 pick we were getting back.

At #14 you could still get the 2nd best OT in the draft though (Levi Brown at this point). Plus, I'm not sure Minny or Houston would trade up to #2. They'd have to really like Quinn, AP, Thomas or Johnson. Those are the only guys teams would trade up for. Houston need OL badly and might move up for Thomas. They could use a RB or QB too. Minny needs a WR and might move up for Johnson.

The problem is who would we take at the 7-8 range? A DE? We'd lose out on Thomas and it would be too much of a reach for the next best OT. i'd rather move down farther if we are going to move at all, or only move a couple spots and still get Thomas.

Man, I don't EVEN want to hear about taking DB's and LB's this early again... what is the primary need?
OL and DL... it has to be this time damn it.... or we can sit back and watch another QB get destroyed.
Sorry but this shit is beyond old.

Fuck trades. Lets just draft Thomas and be done with it.

Man, I don't EVEN want to hear about taking DB's and LB's this early again... what is the primary need?
OL and DL... it has to be this time damn it.... or we can sit back and watch another QB get destroyed.
Sorry but this shit is beyond old.


Fuck trades. Lets just draft Thomas and be done with it.

What will drafting Thomas do? It will fix the OL but how much will it improve the team as a whole?

I would much rather trade down and improve multiple positions (MLB, S, DE, OG) as opposed to improving just one position (OT or QB).

What will drafting Thomas do? It will help fix our horrid front line. Fixing that will do a LOT to help our offense. Think of how bad our running game was last year, then think of how much better that would have been with a better offensive line. Would it have been the best running game in the league? Not in the slightest, but it would have been a lot better than it was.

And, of course, there's how many sacks we gave up. Not all of those were Kitna's fault.

fact is great offensive linemen, especially LT's, are hard to come by. teams typically dont let their prized OL's go to FA, so you have to draft them.

i like going thomas their cuz i think he's an obvious choice. anyone would take him. but lets say we trade down... non no brainers open the door for error. what good is multiple picks if millen fucks them all up. atleast with thomas we'll have a big piece for when millen gets fired and this team is torn apart. and besides, even if millen didnt fuck up all those picks, we still arent making the playoffs anyway.

What will drafting Thomas do? It will help fix our horrid front line. Fixing that will do a LOT to help our offense. Think of how bad our running game was last year, then think of how much better that would have been with a better offensive line. Would it have been the best running game in the league? Not in the slightest, but it would have been a lot better than it was.
What running game?

Our OC calls about 10 running plays a game and I highly doubt that's going to change this season (especially considering we don't have a RB).

Granted, drafting Thomas will be a big boost to the OL. And I don't have any problems if we did draft him. But I would rather see us pick up a couple more picks and improve our roster as a whole.

Also I don't think OT is the biggest need on our line. It's the Guards that need upgrading IMO.

Backus is not a franchise tackle but he is servicable and so is Scott at RT. It's the interior OL that needs an upgrade. Raiola is too weak to get any push at the LOS and between Verba, Woody, DeMulling and Davis our guards are virtually useless.

We could probably move one of our tackles in to guard. Scott would be better off taking some time to develop. I heard somewhere the idea of moving Backus to guard. It may have been on here, but I thought it was one of the NFL writers.

If you move Backus to guard our OL is even worse. We do have to draft a guard for sure.

Not saying its a great idea, just that I heard it being discussed somewhere.

You couldn't do it unless you drafted a franchis LT to replace him. Even then, Backus makes a lot for a guard. He'd be way overpaid there, even if he played well.

You couldn't do it unless you drafted a franchis LT to replace him. Even then, Backus makes a lot for a guard. He'd be way overpaid there, even if he played well.

Backus is overpaid no matter where he plays or how well he plays.

True, but it's even worse when he's paid that amount as a guard. Thomas would make 2nd pick money, Woody is overpaid, Riola just got a raise not too long ago and if Scott panned out then he'd get paid too. That's fine if you have a pro bowl OL and run the ball like crazy. We have neither. You can find a solid OG in the 3rd round IMO.

That's why I like the idea of a trade too, Chris. I wonder if Ditka is going to get a job so the Lions can trade the #2 for all of his new teams picks like Miami did.