There seems to be quite a few people here that would like to see the Pistons acquire Marko Jaric in exchange for Nazr Mohammed.

I'd like to see if it's a vocal minority or if Jaric really is that popular of a choice in a Nazr deal.

I really like Delfino more than Jaric. Jaric has a bad (not awful) contract and isn't really the back up PG that we need. I would only trade for him at the deadline as a last resort.

I don't see any option I would pick. Mine would be:

I would do the deal if we cannot find a better PG to trade for.

So, I'm voting for the second option.

Okay, Chris.

McHale is on the phone, he says you have to decide right now or the deal is off the table, permanently.

Does that help?

Okay, Chris.

McHale is on the phone, he says you have to decide right now or the deal is off the table, permanently.

Does that help?
If he said that to me, I'd say no. I would want the time to explore my options, and if he's going to do something like that, I'm going to take my bigman to another team with a similar need.

There seems to be quite a few people here that would like to see the Pistons acquire Marko Jaric in exchange for Nazr Mohammed..
i'm not on that list. I'm just not mad or disappointed if we get him and i think he has decent attributes. If this was about equal value, then we'd still have Arroyo and Darko since i dont think that deal was equal value. If Jaric is whats on the table, i have no issue with the deal. but i'm not touting this as the ultimate piece we "must" have.

Are you telling me you'd rather keep an unhappy foul prone space taker(which is all he is now) costing as much as Nazr does than atleast getting someone whose actually playing on the court for his money(even if it is more than we'd like to pay)?

Theres probably a minnesota version of Glenn out there saying the same thing about Nazr coming to Minny. lol..

Are you telling me you'd rather keep an unhappy foul prone space taker(which is all he is now) costing as much as Nazr does than atleast getting someone whose actually playing on the court for his money(even if it is more than we'd like to pay)?

No, I'm telling you that I'd hold onto the big man until I found the right guy to be our #2 PG, and then make the move. If the guy is THE GUY that you want, then you sweeten the pot as necessary.

I would not settle for someone else's problem that most likely is a square peg for a round hole.

But my opinion on this is well known, I want to see what others think, so stop asking me questions that I have to respond to.



Patience. :mccosky:

Okay, Chris.

McHale is on the phone, he says you have to decide right now or the deal is off the table, permanently.

Does that help?

I'd say no. Jaric is less valuable on the market than Nazr. Jaric would help our team more, but he may not be THE player we need. I would hold out for more if McHale said that. I'd tell him I'll take Mike James for Nazr and a 2nd rounder.

Glenn you don't know who the right guy is just as much as i dont. If Joe likes Jaric's defense and decent spot up 3 point shooting, then thats fine enough for me. There is also an addition by subtraction factor in getting rid of an ego larger than his skills player like Nazr and Flip Murray along with the distraction of them sitting on our bench trying to bite their tongues into bleeding about not liking it. w/o those two we've looked fairly sharp. Any positive addition we can make is cool with me.

I honestly getting the feeling that you're holding hope out for earl watson, which probably isnt happening. If it does cool, but i dont care about getting him. I just want something serviceable and in a certain skill set. Jaric, mike james, earl watson, or whoever doesnt matter to me.

Bah, I'm not saying that I know who "the right guy" is, but I hope Joe does.

I can tell you what I would do, and I did, but that's not important at all.

I think we all find ourselves thinking about sitting in Joe's chair when the topic of trades comes up.

What you read was simply how I imagine the acquisition philosophy should be. Find the ideal target and try to find a way for it to make sense for both sides using the assets available to you.

You're reading too much into this.

Assessing who "the right guy" really is was the whole reason for the "what attributes should our #2 PG have?" thread. But not many really wanted to talk about that I guess.

EDIT: And I say "I hope" that Joe does know who the right guy is this time because I don't trust him as much as I used to. Too many recent mistakes.

Detroit gets:
Gasol
Mile Ilic (7'2" project for the NBDL)
Kyle Lowry (backup PG)

Memphis gets:
Sheed
Collins

Nets get:
Nazr
Lawrence Roberts

Plus the necessary picks.

I originally posted this in the Vecsey thread but I thought I'd bring it over here so we could get some more discussion going on it.

I didn't respond to the "what attributes" thread as IMO "do everything" is the answer to that thread. The real question comes when you look at actual players available and ask "are they good enough".

As for this thread. I chose do nothing because I don't think Jaric is potentially viable enough to outweight how much harder it is to move him rather than Nazr.

I would rather keep Nazr than have Jaric.

If I had to give it a letter grade, it'd be a "C". We need a backup PG and wing more than PF/C, and a true 1/2/3 in one package is as rare as a decent PF/C (name the other players that can really play the 1/2/3). I was higher on it before I discovered that Jaric had just as much time on his contract as Nazr (and maybe even less -- this "team option" thing for Nazr's deal is real?).

Having called it a "C", I have a hard time thinking of deals that involve Nazr alone that are really any better. Earl Watson would be decent, but I can't imagine Seattle wanting to get a contract back as long as Nazr's, especially with all the bigs they're trying to groom. A Nazr + Flip for Chucky + Cardinal deal appeals on sentimental grounds -- two ex-Pistons who I'd like to see get some rings -- but Memphis is in "blow it up" mode too. Stack for Nazr would be a nice dream. :)

Nazr's a good backup, but foul-damentally not a starter. He's worth the MLE, as McDyess was paid, but not more. We already have McDyess and he has a consistently good attitude even when he doesn't play, unlike Nazr. McDyess's contract has the right length given the bigs worth grooming (JMax, Amir, and whoever we draft in next year's huge draft).

chucky atkins? fuck no. never. My sentiment is laughing at a ringless chucky as long as possible along with donkey jones.

Boo to your continued Chucky hating.

Baseline tear-drop runner over Derrick Coleman as time runs out to beat the Sixers in game 5 of the 03 offs > no look 3 pointers by Jon Barry.

chucky sucked at gaurding dribble penetration as well. I'm not sure he'd be an upgrade over Flip at all at this point.

11-1?

WHERE ALL DA JARIC FANS AT???

there are no jaric fans. that was in your head.

when is the trade deadline? Isn't it around the third week in February? I think we are fine with Hunter as our backup, it's just a question of whether you trust Blaylock if either Billups or Hunter goes down.

What makes Jaric interesting to me is that he's a true 1/2/3 who plays D, so we get the benefit of an extra roster spot we might not otherwise have. I like Superdupe, but I'd like to see Amir play more :). I don't think Jaric's -great- by any means, but he can D and has decent bball IQ. Even if he's not much of an offensive threat, he's not a total no-op on the court. From what I've seen, he doesn't make me wince running the fast break.

I take Jaric for Nazr only if its deadline day and thats our only option.

I hate his lack of speed and court vision, but the fact remains he's a legit point guard that has skills that fit this offense.

He can also post up and rebound at the PG spot, which is also a bonus.

I "borrowed" this trade from that other site because I thought that it seemed interesting:

To simply then it looks like this:

Atlanta Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Tyronn Lue
Lorenzen Wright
Josh Childress

Incoming

Nazr Mohammed
Jarrett Jack

ATLANTA gets Jarrett Jack (local GA Tech guy) and Nazr Mohammed (played in ATL a few years ago)to help at PG and C, their positions of need.

Detroit Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Nazr Mohammed
Dale Davis
Ronald Murray

Incoming

Tyronn Lue
Jamaal Magloire <expiring>

DETROIT gets Magloire's expiring contract and Tyronn Lue to backup PG at the expense of some expendable players. They will be assured of being under the Luxury Cap next year even after maxing Chauncey Billups if they let Magloire walk.

Portland Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Jamaal Magloire
Jarrett Jack

Incoming

Lorenzen Wright <1yr left at reasonable $>
Dale Davis <expiring>
Josh Childress
Flip Murray

PORTLAND gets compensation for Magloire's expiring contract with Childress, a young local guy at their position of need. They probably could flip Dale Davis along for something of value too.

"borrowed" from whodean

Look on the bright side, if we do trade him for Jaric, and he doesn't suck.
Both being of a low probability.

At least you can gloat about it.

What makes Jaric interesting to me is that he's a true 1/2/3 who plays D, so we get the benefit of an extra roster spot we might not otherwise have. I like Superdupe, but I'd like to see Amir play more :). I don't think Jaric's -great- by any means, but he can D and has decent bball IQ. Even if he's not much of an offensive threat, he's not a total no-op on the court. From what I've seen, he doesn't make me wince running the fast break.
Didn't Joe come out and say Amir was going to be a PF? They tried him at SF and it just didn't work so he was going to go back to PF where he has always played. Dupree has very little affect on Amir's playing time.

I think Amir will eventually be a center now.

If it was the deadline, then Id go for it. Jaric doesnt seem that great to me... might as well get Blalock some time for now to get a better idea of his abilities. I guess if we made the trade there is no way it could hurt us since Nazr doesnt play anyway.

Didn't Joe come out and say Amir was going to be a PF? They tried him at SF and it just didn't work so he was going to go back to PF where he has always played. Dupree has very little affect on Amir's playing time.
You're missing my point (which means I'm not expressing it well enough).

With Lindsey's continued absence, our 11th/12th men were Blalock (PG) and Dupree (SG/SF). Two slots were taken for third-string backups at the 1/2/3. Neither did very much. That's fairly typical for most teams. There's usually an extra wing or other tweener sort who mostly comes in to commit a foul or play scrub minutes.

With Jaric being a true 1/2/3, we can have one guy do that (or end up with one guy less in the active rotation), so we can squeeze up an extra active slot to fiddle with regardless of position, get us that extra young player (for now Amir, in the future other draft picks) on the active roster without hurting our coverage at most positions.

There aren't many true 1/2/3s, someone you'd see put in at PG and SF where you're not kicking the TV thinking the coach is on crack. In the past 10 years (since Magic played), only a half-dozen players taller than 6'4" have had 6+ apg seasons:

1) LeBron (and even his mastery of moving without the dribble wouldn't help him defend against most PGs)
2) Joe Johnson (playing PG for Phoenix after trading Marbury, busting the team up to eventually rebuild around Nash)
3) Diaw (Nash's backup PG effectively, hyped as a tall PG in Atlanta, seems to be able to play any position owing to D'Antoni+Nash voodoo)
4) Sprewell (mostly due to injuries one year in Golden State under Adelman, forked over the ball a lot, but could defend the 1/2/3 in his prime)
5) Grant Hill (y'all know him, right?)
6) Marko Jaric

You're missing my point (which means I'm not expressing it well enough).

With Lindsey's continued absence, our 11th/12th men were Blalock (PG) and Dupree (SG/SF). Two slots were taken for third-string backups at the 1/2/3. Neither did very much. That's fairly typical for most teams. There's usually an extra wing or other tweener sort who mostly comes in to commit a foul or play scrub minutes.

With Jaric being a true 1/2/3, we can have one guy do that (or end up with one guy less in the active rotation), so we can squeeze up an extra active slot to fiddle with regardless of position, get us that extra young player (for now Amir, in the future other draft picks) on the active roster without hurting our coverage at most positions.

There aren't many true 1/2/3s, someone you'd see put in at PG and SF where you're not kicking the TV thinking the coach is on crack. In the past 10 years (since Magic played), only a half-dozen players taller than 6'4" have had 6+ apg seasons:

1) LeBron (and even his mastery of moving without the dribble wouldn't help him defend against most PGs)
2) Joe Johnson (playing PG for Phoenix after trading Marbury, busting the team up to eventually rebuild around Nash)
3) Diaw (Nash's backup PG effectively, hyped as a tall PG in Atlanta, seems to be able to play any position owing to D'Antoni+Nash voodoo)
4) Sprewell (mostly due to injuries one year in Golden State under Adelman, forked over the ball a lot, but could defend the 1/2/3 in his prime)
5) Grant Hill (y'all know him, right?)
6) Marko Jaric
Much better. I completely get you now. I agree it would be nice to have that, and if I knew Jaric would fit our philosophy (I haven't seen a whole lot of him unfortunately), I'd probably make the deal but I'd still want to test the market to see the other possibilities and weigh them against each other first, which is what I'm sure Joe is doing right now.

Well if you believe this blog post, then Lee & righthandedlefty are about to be very happy.

Shit.

http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-01-23/ric-bucher-nazr-for-jaric-deal-in-the-works/


Ric Bucher: Nazr for Jaric deal in the works?

Published by Matt Watson January 23rd, 2007 in Rumors.

Take it with a grain of salt, but ESPN talking head Ric Bucher just said on ESPN2's NBA Coast-to-Coast that the Timberwolves are "ready to deal Marko Jaric to the Pistons for Nazr Mohammed, but they're waiting until they're able to revoke Eddie Griffin's contract" in order to avoid paying the luxury tax, which is a mandate from owner Glen Taylor.

Did anybody here see this on TV first hand? Does this jive with what you heard?

That doesn't make any sense. Jaric makes 300k more than Nazr this year. How would the deal affect their luxery tax at all? Unless we are throwing Flip in there too and they are taking on another salary, that makes no sense.

I watched some of the show last night and didn't hear this, but it was really just on and I payed attention only when not doing something else.

Well if you believe this blog post, then Lee & righthandedlefty are about to be very happy.

Shit.

http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2007-01-23/ric-bucher-nazr-for-jaric-deal-in-the-works/



Did anybody here see this on TV first hand? Does this jive with what you heard?


I heard it. I took it as they were working on a deal involving those 2.

If it's Nazr + Flip for Jaric + 1st (even if not next year), I'd be smiling.

Uh, yeah.

If it's Nazr + Flip for Jaric + 1st (even if not next year), I'd be smiling.

or even if we swapped first rounders (not the orlando one), that would be great.

You guys are reaching.

I'm all for sweetening the pot for us, but I wouldn't count on it.

It sounds to me like they're READY AND WILLING to make the deal, not that anything has been agreed upon.

http://www.verndale.k12.mn.us/contact_directory/mjones/officeIIwebs/schuljas/images/Jaric1.jpg
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Marko Jarić (Serbian: Марко Јарић) (born October 12, 1978 in Belgrade, Yugoslavia) is a Serbian professional basketball player currently playing point guard for the Minnesota Timberwolves of the NBA.

He was selected as the 30th overall pick by the Los Angeles Clippers in the 2000 NBA Draft. He was traded to the Timberwolves in August 2005 along with Lionel Chalmers by the Clippers in exchange for Sam Cassell.

Jarić played on the Yugoslavian National Team when they won the 2002 World Basketball Championships, and he was also a member of the 1998 Gold Medal Under 22 European Championship team. Jaric is the only player ever to win back-to-back Italian League Championships on two different teams. He won it in 2000 with Paf Bologna and in 2001 with Kinder Bologna.

Marko Jarić is the son of Srećko Jarić, considered one of the greatest international basketball players ever.

In 2002 Jarić appeared in a variety of scissor advertisements for the firm "Serbian Steelware". His apparent outlandish behaviour has seen a recent revival of popularity that culminated in this endorsement.


What do you get when you pick up Jaric? Well, he’s no Brevin Knight. Jaric is a good ball-handler, but he’s not the swiftest guy up and down the court. He’s a good passer in the European mold, but he’s not a circus-freak like Ginobili. All that means is that he won’t post big assist totals as often as you’d like from a guard. The Wolves play a static offense and Jaric is the perfect guy to run that game. But he doesn’t have Cassell’s imagination and he’s not that kind of player.

The bonus is a guard who’s going to get you good rebound totals. But Jaric has never played more than 66 games in a season and he’s almost guaranteed to be lost for a stretch at some point in the year. He’s definitely not someone you want to start at a primary position, but he’s a viable option at Utility.


early career scouting report. his game has changed a lil since then.

Assets Jaric is a solid playmaker and a legitimate scoring threat from both mid and long range. On top of having natural skill, Jaric has worked hard to refine his skill in preparation for becoming a starting point guard.
Flaws As he is inexperienced as a starter, Jaric will need to work on both his defense and his ability to run an offense at an NBA level.
Career potential Within a couple of years, Jaric could very well turn out to be the point guard the Clippers wanted Andre Miller to be.

I don't mind the waiting. Maybe Joe is holding out for a pick or something. I think that the hold up is on our side despite the Eddie Griffin thing. I don't really like or dislike the trade but if we could do something like swap
1sts or maybe send Nazr and our 2 2nds for Jaric and a future 1st, i'd be pretty happy with the deal. We seem to get a lot of interest in Nazr so I don't see the rush.

We seem to get a lot of interest in Nazr so I don't see the rush.

Exactly.

Let's get a guy that at least knows how to put his jersey on the right way.

Exactly.

Let's get a guy that at least knows how to put his jersey on the right way.
like who? whose thinking of nazr outside of houston and minny? that actually is talking seriouasly. not the bs thorn offered.

like who? whose thinking of nazr outside of houston and minny? that actually is talking seriouasly. not the bs thorn offered.

Joe isn't really big into letting us know who he's in discussions with but considering all of the teams that have shown some interest or are rumored to have shown interest (Hou, Minny, GS, Utah, NJ (bs or not), I would assume that there are more. If there wasn't much interest, i'm guessing Nazr would be gone already. You also have to keep in mind that an injury to a big man on a playoff team would really add to Nazr's value.

Joe isn't really big into letting us know who he's in discussions with but considering all of the teams that have shown some interest or are rumored to have shown interest (Hou, Minny, GS, Utah, NJ (bs or not), I would assume that there are more. If there wasn't much interest, i'm guessing Nazr would be gone already. You also have to keep in mind that an injury to a big man on a playoff team would really add to Nazr's value.
why would he not be gone if there was alot of interest? Sounds opposite to me. Less option, more waiting and hoping for better. I could be wrong but thats what i get from that and the rumor mill doesnt say much to me.

I say trade Nazr for a guy with a few more vowels in his name.

I guess that we really have differing opinions then. I see it as a big (likely Nazr) HAS to be moved for all practical purposes. If there was little interest, in this case, you would jump on any decent deal to move the guy. In a case where you really have to move a player but don't and know that there are at least two offers sitting on the table (plus countless rumors) show that there is definite interest in Nazr. I think that we can both agree that Joe is waiting for a better offer either way.

I'd like to wait for GS to see what they have with their new roster then try to steal one of their young swingmen (I like Pietrus). I have patience.

:mccosky: is suggesting in his blog that the Pistons are possibly looking at Troy Hudson instead of Jaric.

Sounds like Chris discovered the ESPN Trade Machine.

Jaric is someone I would consider. Troy Hudson is most definitely not, from what I can remember. I remember he used to have a whole lot of potential when they had Terrell Brandon, but then he turned into just another me first player.

:mccosky: is suggesting in his blog that the Pistons are possibly looking at Troy Hudson instead of Jaric.

Sounds like Chris discovered the ESPN Trade Machine.


Oh, but McCosky doesn't like trade rumors.

These are real people's lives we're talking about here.

Didn't we have a conversation last year about you talking to yourself?

Didn't we have a conversation last year about you talking to yourself?

Who is "we"?

Just let me do what I do what I do.

Mmmmk?

Sounds good, Glenn.

I'd rather get Mo Pete if possible. le sigh.

2 days later and nothing. According to Minny papers nothing will happen until the masturbating pothead is sent packing, but he won't agree to a buyout and they want some money back.

If it doesn't have to do with the Pacers, Bucher is usually late to the story, IMO.

Jaric has scored 6 points, total, in 3 games back from injury (although some doubted how injured he really was, even speculating that he was being disciplined for demanding a trade).

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3429/gamelog;_ylt=AhKg.JAKdz0Y4QumSRlbY9GkvLYF

Interesting that Minny won the first 3 games that Jaric missed, and has lost all three since he came back.

i read somewhere today where hudson could actually be substituted instead of jaric....

sorry glenn. just went back and read what you wrote about hudson. i'm a bit late!

Courtesy of JS


Josh (Detroit): Do you think Minnesota would trade Hudson for Mohammed? He has a better contract than Jaric and how much playing time would either of them get anyway!

SportsNation Chad Ford: Troy Hudson is a little better fit because of his slashing ability ... but the truth is that neither Jaric or Hudson is really an upgrade over Mohammed. I think the Pistons want to thin their front court, but I'm not sure they're willing to make another bad deal to do it.

YES!!!

Daily Dime


The Pistons remain eager to move out a forward in the wake of Chris Webber's arrival but are serious when they say they'll only consider parting with Nazr Mohammed or Dale Davis. Antonio McDyess and especially Jason Maxiell have been deemed off limits as the backups to Webber and Rasheed Wallace.

Trading Mohammed instead of Davis, furthermore, is the Pistons' obvious preference. But Detroit's talks with Minnesota on a Mohammed-for-Marko Jaric swap have ceased, according to NBA front office sources.

The Wolves balked initially because they wanted to void the contract of troubled forward Eddie Griffin before committing to the trade, but sources indicate that the Pistons are no longer interested in the swap no matter what happens with Griffin.

YES!!!
Bill Davidson is that you?

good. i say there's no immediate rush......wait for the trade deadline to get closer and maybe some GMs will start getting desperate.

Delfino is a better/cheaper version of Jaric anyways.

Hopefully Joe can do better.

interesting though. joe must have some other ideas in mind. i'm curious to know what other potential deals there could be.

i would be ecstatic if we could pull off another coup. somebody call danny ainge!

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I would rather not trade with the Wolves if it didn't involve KG, Foye, or Ricky Davis

Make a trade with the Warriors or Rockets please.

I've trumped up Jaric a fair bit, but I'm not losing a lot of sleep if we don't trade for him by any stretch. He's just interesting because he's a true 1/2/3, which isn't true of other trades I've seen floated. My biggest concern is that, if we think we want some kind of PG, we better get off our butt and do it soon. PGs take awhile to gel with a team.