http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2733891


The Golden State Warriors have agreed to trade Troy Murphy, Mike Dunleavy, Ike Diogu and Keith McLeod to the Indiana Pacers for Al Harrington, Stephen Jackson, Sarunas Jasikevicius and Josh Powell, NBA front-office sources tell ESPN.com's Marc Stein.
The trade is scheduled to be announced later Wednesday.

This is pretty significant. I wonder if our nabbing Webber forced their hand at trying to win the wide open East?

EDIT - removed link and story because they were the same as Fool's earlier post. your comments were not removed though. -WTFchris

Wow, that is a huge trade.

I was sooo there first. [smilie=beadyeyes.g:

That is a big trade. Good move for the Pacers IMO. Gives JO a tough rebounder so he doesn't have to bang the boards as much. It also unloads Jackson. Dunleavy is a good spot up shooter so he can feed off JO in the post too. Only drawback is they lose their future PG (unless McCloud becomes that) which puts that much more pressure on Tinsley to perform someday.

The fantasy spin:
-I have a feeling Beidrins will improve his already good rebounding numbers without Murphy there.
-Al will probably score less with Davis, J Rich and Pietres there. Maybe take more threes since Jrich and Davis drive a lot.
-Tinsley might get more minutes of his body can handle it.
-JO might rebound less, but score more.

Good move by the pacers....hope troy can actually get some playing time now....my fantasy teams need him.

I think the pacers got robbed both talent and contract wise, but time will tell. I think Murph is a stiff and a tird, the rest is filler. Lol 2 trading Artest for nothing, then lucking into a exemption, only to eventually fill it with Dumbleavy.

I think the pacers got robbed both talent and contract wise, but time will tell. I think Murph is a stiff and a tird, the rest is filler. Lol 2 trading Artest for nothing, then lucking into a exemption, only to eventually fill it with Dumbleavy.

didn't they trade a first rounder for Al too? Can you break down the entire trade with prior trades as well hermy?

(^Yeah, an 07 first to boot.)

To me it looks like the Pacers took on 2 bad contracts to get Diogu and get rid of Jackson. Murphy is Jeff Foster with range and while Harrington is productive, they forgot when they signed him this offseason that they already had a better version of him in JO. Dunleavy is a fine player to have off the bench, but is paid like a starter.

Golden State hopes Harrington will score like he did in Atlanta but is happy to have the low post offense even if he doesn't and gets a guy who will shoot like he's Baron Davis only at the 3 (off the bench). They get a pass first backup point, in Sarunas, who's never even thought of playing defense (I'm sure Nellie pushed hard for him to be included), who I assume they hope can move Ellis to a perminent 2 off the bench (once Richardson comes back). And they get rid of 2 bad contracts that they were forcing into floor time.

Overall:
I think I like this for the Warriors. They basically consolidated two bad contracts and guys who don't exactly fit what they want to do (Dunleavy and Murphy) into a better player (Harrington) and a cast-off with a better, though still not good, contract (Jackson) at the cost of a young guy with potential who they couldn't get minutes anyway (Diogu). Even if Sarunas is nothing, he's an ending contract next year.

The Pacers got back to having overpaid depth, all of whom with produce some but none that produce enough when it matters.

I still think the moves help the Pacers, but the problem is like you said it won't be enough. They still can't win it all with that squad and they've got two bad contracts added as you said. plus they lost that first rounder.

Yeah, its by no means a blowout on who this trade is better for. Moving Jackson alone is HUGE for the Pacers as far as fans go and Ike is undersized but he's got real potential to be a very quality starter. If he becomes a serious player next to JO and with Granger as their 3, that's a damn good front court. Ike pretty much becomes that 07 pick anyway.

overall they improved the behavior element of their team. But the question is where does Oneal fit with all the shooters against teams that dont have to double him like us and chicago? can he keep up with the faster offense they'll probably run?

overall they improved the behavior element of their team.


You're just saying that because they added more white guys.

Here's the skinny from ESPN:


"We feel we made a pretty significant trade for the franchise that will be good for both teams,'' Pacers president Larry Bird said in a statement. "We feel the players we got will make a significant difference in the franchise.''
Murphy, Dunleavy and Diogu had been reduced to high-priced backups for failing to measure up to new coach Don Nelson's expectations this season, while Jackson was dogged by legal troubles and attitude problems in Indiana.
"We have acquired players who will fit in very well with our particular style of basketball,'' said Chris Mullin, the Warriors' executive vice president of basketball operations. "As with any trade, we also had to surrender players that we like both on and off the court. I think this transaction will be good for both teams and all of the players involved.''
Harrington -- one of the Warriors' top targets in free agency last season-- averages 15.9 points and 6.3 rebounds this season, second in both categories to Jermaine O'Neal (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3120). Jackson has scored 14.1 points per game, but embarrassed the club with an early season fight at a strip club and a spat with coach Rick Carlisle last month.
Murphy, a former Notre Dame star who has been bothered by injuries this season, is averaging 8.9 points and 6.0 rebounds-- both his lowest totals since his rookie year. Dunleavy has scored 11.4 points in another disappointing season, so the deal rids the Warriors of three players who didn't fit with Nelson's ideas -- including two prominent targets of his criticism this season.
The Warriors pursued Harrington last summer, convinced the rangy forward could fit well into their new style of play. But Indiana won the bidding, swinging a sign-and-trade deal with Atlanta to bring Harrington back to the place where he began his NBA career.
Jackson, the sharp-shooting guard, has been almost nothing but trouble for the Pacers this season, beginning with a fight outside an Indianapolis strip club on Oct. 6. Jackson is scheduled to go to trial Feb. 12 for firing a gun during the fracas.
Last month, the Pacers briefly suspended Jackson for a heated exchange with Carlisle, who kicked him off the bench during a loss to Cleveland. The Warriors' last look at Jackson was impressive, however: Earlier this season, Jackson hit a 3-pointer with 1 second left in a 108-106 victory for Indiana at Golden State.
Both Dunleavy and Murphy have been disappointments to Nelson, and the veteran coach wasn't shy about pointing out their shortcomings to reporters and fans. They also lost their starting jobs to Andris Biedrins (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3828) and Matt Barnes (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3643).
Murphy has been a capable rebounder and outside shooter at times in his 5½ seasons at Golden State, but never became much more than a lanky perimeter player with sub-par defense.
Dunleavy, the No. 3 overall pick from Duke in 2002, has been a huge disappointment -- hurting with Warriors with everything from terrible play and unimpressive athleticism to an uncaring attitude and a tendency to blame teammates for mistakes.
Perhaps a change of scenery can rescue Dunleavy's career. Even the incredibly loyal Warriors fans at Oracle Arena have booed him loudly and regularly this season.
Diogu, the power forward who was the ninth overall pick in the 2005 draft, also didn't appear to fit into Nelson's plans for an up-tempo, small-ball attack. Coincidentally, the Warriors' reluctance to part with Diogu last season scrapped a proposed trade that would have brought Ron Artest (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3339) from Indiana to Golden State.
The deal also gets the lavish contracts given to Dunleavy and Murphy off the books, freeing Golden State of about $80 million in salary commitments through 2011. Harrington and Jackson also are signed to long-term deals, but for less money and fewer guaranteed seasons.
Even Mullin, who signed Dunleavy and Murphy to their controversial contracts, criticized the forwards last week.
Donnie Nelson, Don Nelson's son who works for the Dallas Mavericks, has coached with the Lithuanian national team, so the Nelson family knows something about Jasikevicius, who could use a fresh start after failing to meet expectations in Indiana.
Powell was traded to Indiana last summer after his rookie season with Dallas, reaching the NBA finals. His smooth game also could fit well with Nelson's style.
The Warriors acquired backup guard McLeod in a deal with Utah last summer.

didn't they trade a first rounder for Al too? Can you break down the entire trade with prior trades as well hermy?
A poster at Pacersdigest.com posted something similar to what you've asked for:


In the general ledger, it's a bum deal all around.

1) Firing Isiah
2) Resigning J.O. -- whether you like him or not at his max salary you
had to keep him as a key player and as a trade commodity
3) Drafting Granger

Have there been any other obvious "victories" by the front office in the past few seasons?

In only a year

an affordable Harrington through 2010.
an afffordable but hard to trade cancer in Artest through 2010.
a role player with a short term contract in Jasikevicius
Croshere's expiring contract
Anthony Johnson's expiring contract
2007 1st round pick

have turned into

an untradeable, overpaid Murphy through 2011
an untradeable, overpaid Dunleavy through 2011
a hard to trade, overpaid Daniels through 2010
a young role player with "some" potential to become a double double guy in Diogu
a 38 year old stopgap, sparkplug backup PG in Armstrong
a throw in journeyman in McLeod.
a throw in prospect in Marshall.
a check paid immediatley to Jon Edwards.

Had Bird held on to those expiring contracts, he could have packaged those together with any combination of guys from the roster to do some really interesting deals for a star player or an overpaid or aging player with an expiring contract to begin rebuilding in 2007-08.

Instead, our cap situation has gone from bad to worse and we are stuck with mediocre, overpaid talent over the luxury tax that is going to be difficult to move probably until Summer 2010. The pain has been prolonged.

You're just saying that because they added more white guys.
no case in point is this homo heat thug here.
http://www.bartnagel.com/images/JasonWilliams.jpg

I think there is a lot more yet to come. Before this deal and after, NJ and Indy have been talking. Most likely scenario NJ is going to trade Kidd with a pick to Indy, O'Neal will go to NJ. Secondary aspect of the deal is Tinsley would also be in the deal headed to a third team like Memphis for Swift, and Mighty Mouse would go to NJ for expiring deals or exceptions.

that trade would change the whole scope of the east and put some pressure on us to move flip murray and Nazr for some good depth. Also it makes Rose buyout scenario twice as interesting. just trade for a pick and a PG grab Rose, that would give us some decent depth.

Of course I still see Bonzi as our best shot. hopefully we can pry out Luther Head too or get that 3 way going that would bring us jaric and wells.

yeah i think they're just glad to be rid of jackson, who there were said to be looking to get rid of for a while.

i don't really get how this will benefit either team longterm honestly. but right now it looks like the warriors might have gotten the better TALENT from this deal. whether that translates onto the court or into off the court chemistry, is another issue altogether....

mega deal... i guess. not really too exciting. i think its kind of funny that last year GS want wouldnt give up ike for artest, that i thought it was a good idea to trade sheed for him (essentially) this summer, and now he appears to be a throw in on a big trade. i havent looked yet, how bad were those contracts the pacers gave up?

anyway, i'll say i think this trade will help both teams.

mega deal... i guess. not really too exciting. i think its kind of funny that last year GS want wouldnt give up ike for artest, that i thought it was a good idea to trade sheed for him (essentially) this summer, and now he appears to be a throw in on a big trade. i havent looked yet, how bad were those contracts the pacers gave up?

anyway, i'll say i think this trade will help both teams.

Pacers contracts - Harrington was reasonable, and Jackson's isn't great. The rest are not of note.

GSW - Dunleavey and Murphy = some of the worst in the league.

Pacers got fucked while the Warriors ran away looking like winners.

The Warriors always wanted to dump Dunleavy and Murphy after Nelson was head coach. Who would have thought they would be traded together? Ike Diogu was definately not in their plans so they got rid of him, but they still have patrick o'bryant

Sure the got Stephen and his bad ass contract and his shit attitude but they got Sarunas and Ellis, which would make the Warriors locked at the 1. Al Harrington is versatile which would allow him to play the 3,4,5. I actually doubt he gets much PT at the 5.

The Pacers are fucked and Jerm SHOULD BE LOOKING FOR A TRADE RIGHT NOW

I just updated my rosters for Live on 360 and when Dunleavy and Murphy were traded to the Pacers it unlocked KKK GM mode.

I heard that if they get Luke Ridnour or Steve Blake, there will be a Glory Road 2: Seriously Things have Changed

^LOL

Rumors are that the Pacers have already spoken to the Clippers about a Dunleavy Maggette trade. They have 24 hours to pull it off before they have to wait like 3 months to move anybody that was in the 8 player trade.

interesting. We are gonna seriously need to do that bonzi deal. the nets and pacers are trying to push us out.

Worry not about the Pacers.

I like Diogu, but all they did was mortgage the future to clean house.

They're screwed with those Dunleavy and Murphy deals.

I doubt the Clips take Dunleavy for Maggette unless Indy sweetens it up quite a bit, since GSW has been trying to do that same deal for months with no luck.

Maybe the T'Wolves would take him for Jaric.

Maybe the T'Wolves would take him for Jaric.

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/gallery/2004/05/05/mylittleone-trickpony300.jpg

I think this is more accurate.

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n30/n152632.jpg