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Black Dynamite
01-16-2007, 12:37 PM
Are Bill's Friends Hill's Friends, Too?
By HOLLY RAMER and MIKE GLOVER, Associated Press Writers

4 hours ago

CONCORD, N.H. - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton didn't reveal whether she plans to run for president when she called Anita Freedman a few weeks ago. "I didn't give her a chance," said Freedman, 79, who displays pictures of the Clintons all over her Portsmouth, N.H., home. "As soon as she said, 'Hi, this is Hillary Clinton,' I said, 'Oh, great! Tell me what we need to do.'"

Six years after leaving office, President Clinton still has plenty of friends in New Hampshire and Iowa, the states that traditionally launch the presidential nominating process.

And, many of the folks known as "Friends of Bill" count themselves as "Friends of Hill," as well. Some, like Freedman, a Democratic national committeewoman regarded by many as one of the matriarchs of the New Hampshire party, are eager to rekindle the flame.

Others, though, remain undecided on the 2008 race or have gravitated toward other candidates. It remains to be seen how much of her husband's network of supporters Mrs. Clinton, now a New York senator, can resurrect or what role they would play if she decides to get into the race, as expected.

Over the years since then-Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton dubbed himself "the comeback kid" for surviving a personal scandal to finish second in the 1992 New Hampshire primary, the Clintons have not forgotten local Democratic activists who helped them at that critical juncture.

Time and again they have reached out to those same activists and others in early voting states, inviting them to White House events, appointing them to administration posts, and generally remembering them on holidays, birthdays and at important moments in their lives.

When Freedman's husband was dying in 1995, a White House staffer called almost daily to check on him and President Clinton phoned the hospital.

And, when her daughter died two years ago, both Bill and Hillary Clinton called Freedman.

"They have been very nice to me," Freedman said. "I worked very hard for him, I liked everything he stood for, and still do."

Surviving the close-quarters combat of a presidential campaign in early voting states like Iowa and New Hampshire, where one-on-one retail politics is the game, undoubtedly forges personal bonds. But maintaining and strengthening those bonds is also smart politics, and both Clintons are superb players.

Though Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin's bid for the 1992 nomination gave Bill Clinton and other Democrats an excuse to skip past the state, he later spent considerable time there as president and went well out of his way to build ties with key players.

Joe O'Hern, for example, was a veteran Democratic staffer comfortably ensconced as the Iowa Legislature's House clerk until Republicans seized control of the chamber in 1994, tossing him out of work. He landed on his feet as the Clinton administration's regional administrator for the Department of Housing and Urban Development in Kansas City.

"There are a lot of people in this state who have very fond memories of the Clinton presidency," said O'Hern, who now heads the Iowa Partnership Office for Fannie Mae. "When you have an eight-year term of a Democratic president the number of people who touch that activity is quite large."

There's little doubt that aura extends to Hillary Clinton, O'Hern said.

Bonnie Campbell is a former Iowa attorney general who was named to run the Violence Against Women office in the Department of Justice after losing a bid for governor in 1994, a post that allowed her to travel often with Hillary Clinton.

"I got a chance to watch her operate on both a national and international level," said Campbell. "She's pretty dazzling."

While nostalgia and personal ties may play to Sen. Clinton's advantage, Democrats stress that it's the quality of the candidate herself that's earned their support.

Nancy Richards-Stower, a New Hampshire attorney, said she'll work just as hard for Sen. Clinton as she did for Clinton's husband.

Richards-Stower recalled her first meeting with Mrs. Clinton at a restaurant where her husband was making his first campaign appearance in New Hampshire. As they climbed a staircase, Mrs. Clinton mentioned how eager she was to campaign for her husband.

"Mrs. Clinton, forgive me, but you've not done a New Hampshire campaign before," Richards-Stower told her. "The people you need to get aboard the campaign are going to want to spend time with your husband, not you."

Clinton responded by pinching a sizable section of her own hand.

"Nancy, my skin is this thick," she said. "If you think that I shouldn't do an event, I'd like you to tell me."

"Of course, the very first event she did was a sellout crowd," Richards-Stower said, laughing at how much she underestimated the wife who would like to become the nation's first female president.

"If Bill Clinton died tomorrow, would Hillary still win? Absolutely," she said. "That's how we were introduced to Hillary, but that's not why we're supporting her."

While not all the activists who labored for Bill Clinton will return for another Clinton campaign, many remain friendly and helpful.

Des Moines lawyer Jerry Crawford, for example, who headed both Bill Clinton's campaigns in Iowa, is backing Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack this time, though he's spoken with Sen. Clinton's advisers to offer his thoughts.

"I have nothing but respect and admiration for Sen. Clinton and she is going to be a force in the Iowa caucuses," said Crawford. "It's a pretty interesting dynamic. You can go whole cycles without seeing a couple where both halves enjoy their own base."

New Hampshire Democratic Party Chairwoman Kathy Sullivan points out that her state has changed considerably since the Clintons first campaigned there.

The current top five Democrats in the state _ governor, two members of Congress, the state Senate president and House speaker _ were not politically active in 1992, Sullivan said.

"If I'm a presidential candidate, those are the five people I'd want to be talking to," she said. "So I think you can't rely on the old friendships, especially because among those old friends, a number of them have become removed over the years from politics."

Former Keene, N.H., mayor Pat Russell now serves on the state Liquor Commission. Though she had the same first impression of both Clintons _ bright, sophisticated and moving in the right direction _ she hasn't made up her mind about 2008. And she worries about re-igniting the ethics and personal turbulence of the later years of the Clinton administration.

"From my gut, I just don't know," she said. "I don't want all that stuff to be brought up against her. I'm just afraid the press is going to nail her. I know that sounds like a mother, but I am a mother."

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I give Hillary credit for being someone who doesnt get emotionally offended when people go after her or smash on her. If she can stereotypical stigmas that would scare away voters(letting something get her emotional, acting like a diva, seeming soft on any issues, anything to that effect), she's got a shot IMO.

MoTown
01-16-2007, 12:44 PM
The fact that you have a picture of Bill and Hilary lovingly hugging one another and right below it a picture of Jessica Beil getting pounded provides some comic relief...

Black Dynamite
01-16-2007, 12:58 PM
The fact that you have a picture of Bill and Hilary lovingly hugging one another and right below it a picture of Jessica Beil getting pounded provides some comic relief...
i guess. It would feel more related is Biel was giving head. I think the oral sex was Bill's saving grace vs insertion into the vagina. to get back on topic, i think this bitch has a chance.

Glenn
01-16-2007, 01:26 PM
I don't think she can win, too much vitriol surrounding her.

The neocons will go into full smear campaign mode to ensure she doesn't win.

I'm thinking John Edwards is the guy. All the Dems need is someone that can win a couple of southern states.

Black Dynamite
01-16-2007, 01:29 PM
John Edwards is kinda soft imo. sounds a little gay. Again if hillary has bill's clout on her side, i think she could nab some southern love. JMHO though.

Hermy
01-16-2007, 01:43 PM
I think Hil has the best shot, but I dislike her more than just about any lawmaker this side of McCain.

Uncle Mxy
01-16-2007, 03:17 PM
Is Bill's cigar available to Hillary -- that's the real question.

Many folks have campaigned against Hillary Clinton for 15 years now. I think there's she has too many divisive negatives and her numbers only go down.

Of course, a lot depends on who the opponent(s) are. Most of the leading Republican candidates are too liberal-leaning for the hard right. Both McCain and Romney were for gay marriage until they were against, and Giuliani lived with gay roommates. I could envision another scenario like 1992-6, where a candidate wins with <50% of the vote owing to a significant 3rd party, and all fucking hell will break loose.

DennyMcLain
01-17-2007, 02:32 AM
Political power...in New Hampshire??? How in the bloody Hell did a state known best for it's Sour Cream become the pallbearer to all Presidential harbingers?

I say Cali trumps all and shows up for it's primary 1 day before New Hampshire. Arnold can hold a special election to make it so. And what, exactly, is the Big NH going to do about it? My NH back out west -- that would be North Hollywood -- can alone send its gangs out east to bang up each and every Penny Loafing piece of New Hampshire Holy shit who so much as makes a peep of bitch.

You know you're as significant as a pork salesman in Israel when the teacher asks her 6th grade class where New Hampshire is, and two thirds of the class screams "the refrigerator".

Uncle Mxy
01-17-2007, 08:38 AM
Hillary's re-election campaign in NY scares me. She was 25-30 points ahead of her opponent who was aggressively self-destructing without any help from Hillary. So what does she do? She spends over $30 million campaigning in a state she's already gonna win in a landslide. Say what?!

Zip Goshboots
01-19-2007, 02:09 PM
The REAL issue is whether or not our "progressive society" can get over the fact that she is, GULP! A WOMAN!
Even friggin' ISLAMIC countries have had women as heads of state.
Not the good ol' US of A!
Hillary faces the age old American problem: An agressive, strong, independent, and intelligent woman is a BITCH, while a man with the same attributes is a "Go Getter".
Can America get over its own insecurity and do the right thing by electing someone who is probably the smartest person who will run in '08?
Probably not. We'll elect another monkey and let him run things the way they've been run for the last 6 years by arguably the worst president we've ever had.

Uncle Mxy
01-19-2007, 03:04 PM
Hillary's status as a woman is overshadowed by Hillary's status as Billy boy's wife and (initially) unofficial cabinet member, which brings some truly stupid baggage and demonization.

Want a woman for President? I'd suggest recruiting Oprah.

Glenn
01-19-2007, 03:08 PM
Does anybody else get a kick out of looking at the google ads?

Black Dynamite
01-19-2007, 03:28 PM
i'd vote for her over all the other potential numbnuts. if any of them are better, i dont see it. the closest is john edwards, but i'm not sold on him.

Uncle Mxy
01-19-2007, 04:36 PM
What about this guy?

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/Barry_Obama_lg.jpg

Fool
01-19-2007, 04:41 PM
LOL, he looks like a Barry. Also, those nicknames scream "over-privelidged".

Zip Goshboots
01-19-2007, 07:21 PM
Truly stupid baggage and demonization? Only because Rush Limbaugh had the nations ear and spent enormous amounts of energy blustering about it. Yeah, too bad we had a First Lady who wanted to bring universal health care to the nation.
The right wing nut jobs made a pariah out of her out of the gate, never gave it a chance, and WOWIE ZOWIE look at the mess our health care system is now in.
Maybe she could have been more like Nancy Reagan and spent a fortune of taxpayer dollars making the White House pretty.
The TRUE mainstream press, the right wing conservative jerkoffs went after the Clintons from day one, and Hillary was the target. The mysogenistic right wing couldn't stand that Hillary had more intelligence and class in her pinky then the whole collection of the conservative movement possessed as a unit, so they resorted to name calling, disrespectful weaseling and downplaying, and the nation suffered as a result.
Fortunately, the nation punched back last November. It's only the beginning. Liberalism, this country's true soul, IS BACK!!!

Black Dynamite
01-19-2007, 11:18 PM
Taymelo would love that speech

Tahoe
01-20-2007, 04:23 PM
The REAL issue is whether or not our "progressive society" can get over the fact that she is, GULP! A WOMAN!

Hillary faces the age old American problem: An agressive, strong, independent, and intelligent woman is a BITCH, while a man with the same attributes is a "Go Getter".


I don't think the 'female as a Prez' issue is her biggest problem. She has fairly high 'negatives' from the last poll I saw. Condi was in the poll and while Condi didn't kick her butt in the poll, Condi's negs looked nothing like Hills. So I conclude the women thing is not correct, but thats just me.

Zip Goshboots
01-20-2007, 05:39 PM
A poll is one thing, but having the nads to VOTE that way is another.
On a side note, I'd rather bone Condi Rice than Hillary Clinton.
And I'm quite sure Condi would go "Doggy Style".

Uncle Mxy
01-21-2007, 12:53 PM
The problem is that Bill's negatives are also available to Hillary. I worry about Hillary succeeding, because Republicans know all too well how to be divisive when it comes to the Clintons.

Approval ratings aren't everything, especially since the Clinton era. A lot of people liked Bill Clinton that ended up voting for someone else. Clinton had a ~60% approval rating on re-election day (higher than Bush has had at any point in the 2nd term), but less than 50% actually voted for him. At ~65% approval, he was impeached. At ~70% approval ratings, his heir apparent lost and there wasn't much in the way of coattails for the rest of Congress. Likewise, Bush had a sub-50% approval rating and was elected with 52% of the vote in his re-election.

Zip Goshboots
01-21-2007, 02:24 PM
MXY:
BUT, would you rather boff Condi or Hillary?

Zip Goshboots
01-21-2007, 02:28 PM
"At 65%, he was impeached"
Umm, did you REALLY intend to say that? He was impeached by a group of hyppocrittical religous zealots who spent years doing Rush Limbaughs dirty work. Clinton's "impeachment" had NOTHING to do with Clinton the President.
Blow jobs aside, that was one of the most egregious political assassination attempts our nation has seen. Fortunately, the people of this nation saw through that ruse, it was forgotten, and Clinton left a country in fairly decent shape that six years of George Bush Jr has just about destroyed.

Zip Goshboots
01-21-2007, 02:36 PM
More Mxy:
"52% voted for Bush" yada yada. I'm not impressed. The "Uniter, not a fighter" still almost lost in the Electoral College. Had he REALLY had the support of a nation, he wouldn't have had to spend election night worrying if enough rural rednecks hopped in their pickup trucks to ride down to church to vote.
In terms of Gore not winning, well, the nation decided that Gore was not who they wanted (ahem). Enough COUGH! (Florida) COUGH (Gore had more popular vote) COUGH! (Supreme Court stepping in) ACHOO!
As for winning again, besides the Redneck Vote, the Democrats threw up John Kerrey, who didn;t really run a great campaign, and of course fell victim to Grover Nordquist and Karl Rove smear campaign.
Nevertheless, right now the nation has turned away from the Republicans, and contray to Populimbaugh belief, it is not a tenuous turning away.

Uncle Mxy
01-21-2007, 04:56 PM
I'm not defending Dubya in the slightest. I think he's an asshole and a total disgrace to our country and never voted for him. You're preaching to the choir. If you look at some of my older posts here, you'd know that.

I'm just pointing out the fuzzy relationship between "approval ratings" and "what the people actually approve of", especially when it comes to the Clinton-era Democrats. There's definitely the "I vote Republican and don't want to talk about it" factore to crack. And, try figuring out how Bush has even a ~30% approval rating given what we know about his performance today. Idiots abound.

The sad part about the impeachment was that it -was- forgotten, which is why so many of the bums involved with it continued to get re-elected. And Bush shouldn't have had much of a chance given all of the favorable factors Gore had inherited.

And I'd rather boff Granholm than either Hillary or Condi. Say yes to Michigan!

Zip Goshboots
01-21-2007, 08:27 PM
Mxy:
Granholm has definite boffability. Even out here on the great Plains, there are guys who go "Michigan? Oh yeah, I'd like to boff the governor"
Now, I'm forgetting the guy who wanted to boff Engler of course.