Can anyone confirm that the TNT crew was talking about the Pistons and Bonzi again last night?

Can anyone confirm that the TNT crew was talking about the Pistons and Bonzi again last night?

David Aldrdige was talking about that.

Dale Davis for Bonzi straight up or Nazr for Bonzi and Bob Sura.

Basically we'd be moving a bigman for Webber.

Houston getting a big makes sense too, with Yao out.

Deke is balling for both my fantasy teams, so I have mixed feelings on that, lol.

I would love to get Battier from them somehow.

Houston getting a big makes sense too, with Yao out.

Deke is balling for both my fantasy teams, so I have mixed feelings on that, lol.

I would love to get Battier from them somehow.


JVG loves Battier. No chance. 0.


edit- I threw my quote from another thread into Hermy's post so it would make sense. --G

JVG loves Battier. No chance. 0.


Hey, I can dream, especially if we are building an "All State of Michigan" team.

You don't think JVG would do Battier+Juwan for Rasheed? [smilie=llama_banan:

Hey, I can dream, especially if we are building an "All State of Michigan" team.

You don't think JVG would do Battier+Juwan for Rasheed? [smilie=llama_banan:

LOL, no. He just traded Rudy Gay for him, and he's getting DPOY pub. Essential cog on a sucessful team. I don't think they're looking to shake up anything to that extent.

The Rockets are 23-13...WTF?

I highly doubt they will change anything signifcent.

Hell I doubt they even trade Luther Head

The Rockets are 23-13...WTF?

I highly doubt they will change anything signifcent.

Hell I doubt they even trade Luther Head

What's our record?

What if Billups was gone for 3 months like Yao is?

HOU is a #6 seed as it stands right now, 4.5 games from missing the playoffs altogether.

I think they have a pretty safe spot right now.

T-Mac has been getting 30 points in his last 6 of 7 games.

Mutumbo and Juwan are easily making up for Yao's absence while Battier is playing stellar D and making his 3's.

Head and Alston are doing a good job of running the point.

At the rate they are playing, they can easily make the playoffs and when Yao returns, who knows what the Rockets can do

You know, HOU may not make a move, but if you think they are comfortable with a 46 year old center and Howard who was told by JVG before the season that he wasn't going to play at all this year then I think you are mistaken.

What's our record?

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Good enough that we aren't trading Tay, just like they aren't parting with a guy who's working perfectly for the style they play.

I agree, they'd be stupid to trade Battier unless they were getting an All Star big in return along with some salary relief and maybe a pick, which is why they might "consider" Sheed.

What I'm disputing is the assertion that they are "fine" and "comfortable" with what they have. I see them making a significant move at some point.

I agree, they'd be stupid to trade Battier unless they were getting an All Star big in return along with some salary relief and maybe a pick, which is why they might "consider" Sheed.

What I'm disputing is the assertion that they are "fine" and "comfortable" with what they have. I see them making a significant move at some point.

Don't fix whats not broken.(I think thats the saying...)

IF the Pistons land Sura and Bonzi, the Rockets have no more trading pieces other than picks to land someone who can make an impact. A package of Juwan Howard and Luther head cant land anyone signifcant considering the fact they are losing their starting 4 and backup point guard.

bobby sura is solid when he's not hurting in his frail back.

I agree, they'd be stupid to trade Battier unless they were getting an All Star big in return along with some salary relief and maybe a pick, which is why they might "consider" Sheed.

What I'm disputing is the assertion that they are "fine" and "comfortable" with what they have. I see them making a significant move at some point.

I am disputing there is any possible way they would consider trading Battier in a Sheed package. I'm not the Rockets GM, so I can't entirely rule it out, he could be a dope, but that's a desirable deal/player on the perfect team for him for one who's not-so-much wanted around the league. They were just roundly chastised for giving up what they did for him, now that he's working better than expected they move him in a "rob Peter to pay Paul" move to cover a frontcourt with an injured top-10 player?

I see no incentive. Teams don't move guys they like for question marks.

As much as I like Battier there is no way we can get him. Didn't they trade a lotto pick for him? Prior to him resigning I thought there was a small chance, but not anymore.

I didn't mean to become the spokesperson for the "hey, we can get Battier" movement, it sorta started out as a joke (based on fondness for his game) to play on the whole Michigan angle.

I'll agree that Battier will not be dealt unless their new, young moneyballesque GM is smoking crack, but I still think they'll make a fairly significant move somehow. They're just too vulnerable right now.


note: I split this off to try and keep the other thread from derailing further.

I remember when the Pistons traded Sura to the Hawks and he became a superstar for like a month.

I remember when the Pistons traded Sura to the Hawks and he became a superstar for like a month.

Ah, I remember as well. He was getting triple doubles and shit

Sura is off the table he has yet to play and the Rockets have filed paperwork asking for a medical exception since they expect Sura to miss all of the season. That decision is expected any day now.

There is a rumor of a three way deal being floated out of Toronto if Webber lands in Detroit,and Houston gets the injury exception which feeds into the Bonzi talk........

Basically Detroit would send DD to Houston, and send Murray to Toronto

Houston would send 1.9 Million injury excepton, with Snyder and Padgett to Toronto And Wells to Detroit.

Toronto would send Mo Pete to Houston and Calderon to Detroit.

I don't know where the rumor is coming from in terms legit talk, or if it is general brainstorming. I also don't know how the medical exception works in trades beyond teams are only allowed to get one player in return. Which in this case would be true because the deal can be structured as two deals with them getting only Peterson from Toronto and a seperate deal with us for DD. However I am not sure if they can trade players with the exception.

Outside of the exception issues the deal seems to work money wise. Detroit send out 5.2 million gets back 4.1 in salary. Houston sends out 6.5 in salary and gets back 8.0 million. Toronto send out 6.3 and gets back 6.1.

I guess Calderon could be used and makes sense.

pass first pg...hmmmm

I think Toronto gets fucked here. They lose Calderon, who did a good job of filling in for TJ Ford and without Calderon, they lose a backup point. Not sure who would back up TJ unless they trust Flip Murray. They get the small forward in Padgett, who can shoot the 3 and Snyder, who can also shoot the 3 ball well.

Houston gets DD and Morris Peterson, I got to think houston does the best in this trade

I thought the deal was lopsided against TO but Collangelo was high on Padgett and tried to sign him in PHX. He tried to trade for Snyder a couple of times while he was in Utah. Maybe he sees something we don't or maybe a pick is involved?

so we're keeping Nazr? :(

As long as we get an F-ing point guard I will be happy. No amount of Bonzi/MoPete/Webbers in the world will stop Flip or Lindsey from killing the offense when Chauncey comes out.

Would the trade still work if we substituted Nazr for Dale?

Calderon would rock, but I can't imagine Colangelo gives him up.

And I only -wish- we could fork over Nazr instead of DD, but Colangelo would have to be even stupider than giving up Calderon.

FWIW: Calderon is expendable in Toronto IMO. They hold the rights to Roko-Leni Ukic and apparently he's pretty good.

Ford is due a hefty extension (if he hasn't already signed one) so it's not like Calderon has a starting spot in his future in Toronto either.

Dealing him now (in a package or by himself) for expirings or players that Colangelo feels "fit" better into his system is a smart move.

And if Ukic is coming over next season moving Calderon out soon is an even smarter move. They do have "trusty old vet" Darrick Martin to fill in.

Consider the source (HOOP$WORLD), then take this for what it is worth.

http://fullcourtpress.blogs.mlive.com/default.asp?item=444539


Report: Bonzi offer on the table

Bill Ingram is reporting Bonzi Wells is on the way out in Houston and the Rockets have a standing offer to the Pistons.


January 18, Hoops World: The Rockets don't need a starting center. They need a solid back-up who can fill the void while the team waits for Yao Ming to return from his knee injury. Mutombo is playing outstanding basketball, but what would happen if he were to get hurt while putting more than 30 minutes per night on a 40-year-old body? The way the Rockets have struggled with injuries over the last few seasons they would do well to bring in another reserve who could start in a pinch.

The Pistons are considering some other deals, but the Rockets have reportedly made it clear that a Nazr-for-Bonzi deal is ready and waiting.

The Pistons are considering some other deals, but the Rockets have reportedly made it clear that a Nazr-for-Bonzi deal is ready and waiting.
I like and don't at the same time. If we can get a pg for Flip murray I'd feel better.

LOVE the deal. If it's for real, pull the trigger. Flip can grab us a PG.

Basically, we wanted to sign Bonzi to the MLE, but then Ben left and we had to sign Nazr, and now we signed Webber to take Nazr's spot and we get to trade Nazr for the guy we wanted in the first place, and he's got a smaller contract (I don't think he got the full MLE from Houston)? I make a quick check to see if we can get a better deal for a PG with Nazr then I make the trade. I'd also see if I could get a second round pick or something with Bonzi. Probably not likely, but worth a shot.

apparently we're talking with the warriors about some deals for nazr as well. they have SJ, the dude from indy they just traded for (can't even attempt to spell his name) as well as monta ellis (not likely they deal him now but that would be nice) as well as pietrus.

i would prefer some deals like this than bonzi. i personally think we're better off getting a younger player with PG abilities than bonzi. but wells can be nice, for sure.

I agree with HW. I don't see much of a need for Bonzi right now. I do see a need for another PG though. We don't want Lindsey running on fumes throughout the playoffs.

That said, if nothing good shows up for a PG, pull the trigger and take Bonzi. He may turn out well for us.

Backup point guard > Bonzi as far as needs go.

apparently we're talking with the warriors about some deals for nazr as well. they have SJ, the dude from indy they just traded for (can't even attempt to spell his name) as well as monta ellis (not likely they deal him now but that would be nice) as well as pietrus.

i would prefer some deals like this than bonzi. i personally think we're better off getting a younger player with PG abilities than bonzi. but wells can be nice, for sure.

I assume you mean Sarunas Jasikevicius, since Stephen Jackson was in the same trade from Indy but his names is easy enough. The problem with Sarunas is his contract is 4 million meaning the most likely contract that fits the CBA parameter is DD's. Which isn't who Joe wants to move. To move Nazr he would need another contract from GS, but Sarunas can't be traded with anyone else until the offseason now.

I would rather throw together a package for Monta Ellis and Pietrus (with filler ) and give Golden State two firsts and Nazr or (DD, Murray Delfino with 2 firsts), one pick from this year and one in the future 2008-11. We aren't going to do better than Pietrus and Ellis in the draft, so what is the harm in giving up two picks and using the extra one from Orlando to get a big.

I wouldn't mind seeing Ellis or Sarunas Jasikevicius. I doubt they'd trade Ellis, and I'm not sure how willing they are to trade Sarunas since they just picked him up in the trade and all. It may be too late to trade him again anyway. Don't they have to do it within a certain time period after the first trade, like a day or so? I don't think Ellis has a contract that matches up with Nazr either. The Warriors do have a logjam of guards now. Davis, JRich, Ellis, Sarunas, Jackson, and that rookie from Kentucky.

I wouldn't mind seeing Ellis or Sarunas Jasikevicius. I doubt they'd trade Ellis, and I'm not sure how willing they are to trade Sarunas since they just picked him up in the trade and all. It may be too late to trade him again anyway. Don't they have to do it within a certain time period after the first trade, like a day or so? I don't think Ellis has a contract that matches up with Nazr either. The Warriors do have a logjam of guards now. Davis, JRich, Ellis, Sarunas, Jackson, and that rookie from Kentucky.

Sarunas can be traded just not with anyone else. You are correct also Ellis would have to be in a package, and GS wants great value in a deal. That why I said throw together a picks package and expiring deals. I mentioned Ellis because Joe talked to Mullin about him.

I assume you mean Sarunas Jasikevicius, since Stephen Jackson was in the same trade from Indy but his names is easy enough. The problem with Sarunas is his contract is 4 million meaning the most likely contract that fits the CBA parameter is DD's. Which isn't who Joe wants to move. To move Nazr he would need another contract from GS, but Sarunas can't be traded with anyone else until the offseason now.

I would rather throw together a package for Monta Ellis and Pietrus (with filler ) and give Golden State two firsts and Nazr or (DD, Murray Delfino with 2 firsts), one pick from this year and one in the future 2008-11. We aren't going to do better than Pietrus and Ellis in the draft, so what is the harm in giving up two picks and using the extra one from Orlando to get a big.

I'm fine with that if its only one pick from this year and the other is from another year. Maybe we could even convince them to go with a first from next year and our second this year or something like that. Depends on how much they like Nazr.

I didn't realize Pietrus only has a one year deal. That makes me like the idea of this deal a bit less. If we're bringing in a talent like that, I'd rather have him on a contract with a few years on it so he doesn't just leave for a big payday as soon as the season is over. Then again, there's the problem of finding playing time for all of these guys. We already have a full roster, so we wouldn't even have room to take on 2-3 guys in a trade, plus we already have Delfino as our backup swingman, so does Pietrus take his minutes? I'm assuming they split them, but there aren't that many to go around. I guess its highly unlikely that this deal will ever happen, so its nothing to worry about anyway.

We would own the rights to pietrus. The only way we would lose him is if we didn't want him. I doubt it would be hard for Joe to waive Blalock or Dupee if it meant Ellis and Pietrus coming back in a deal.

We would own the rights to pietrus. The only way we would lose him is if we didn't want him. I doubt it would be hard for Joe to waive Blalock or Dupee if it meant Ellis and Pietrus coming back in a deal.

But wouldn't it come down to the same situation as when we has the rights to Memo and wanted to re-sign Sheed? We couldn't do both. We still have to re-sign Chauncey (looking close to max deal) and even if the above problem doesn't exsist, what if Pietrus and Chauncey puts us into the luxury tax? Does Davidson go along with it? It does raise the question.

But wouldn't it come down to the same situation as when we has the rights to Memo and wanted to re-sign Sheed? We couldn't do both. We still have to re-sign Chauncey (looking close to max deal) and even if the above problem doesn't exsist, what if Pietrus and Chauncey puts us into the luxury tax? Does Davidson go along with it? It does raise the question.
That's what I'm more worried about. I know we'd have the right to resign him, but if he gets a big money offer from somewhere else are we going to match it at the same time we're giving Billups a max or nearly max deal?

But wouldn't it come down to the same situation as when we has the rights to Memo and wanted to re-sign Sheed? We couldn't do both.
The reason we couldn't do both was because of a quirk in the CBA that was fixed. The loophole was largely closed with the current CBA:

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#37

Then the question would come down to how much money Davidson is willing to put into his roster. That's a big question for us re-signing anyone but Chauncey!!!

I believe it would largely depend on playoff performance.

A big reason why the decision was made to pay sheed instead of Memo was because Memo crapped out and sheed stepped up on his bum foot.

Pietrus was a first round pick, we would get his bird rights. With Memo as Uncle Mxy alluded he was a second round pick who signed a 2 year deal which did not allow us to have bird rights to match. So that is why we lost him, with Pietrus he would be a restricted free agent, meaning at worst we would either match or sign him to a qualifying offer.

Right now Pietrus is about a MLe player if not less, so matching wouldn't be restrictive, if he felt he could make more in 08 he would sign a 1 yr 2-7 million dollar offer sheet with us, then become unrestricted in 08. Plus if it is Nazr who gets moved it would be like trading one MLE for another. No way Pietrus commands more tha the MLE.

As JS says there is no threat of losing Pietrus... unless some dumbass GM thinks he's the next savior.
We could still sign CB and Amir
Where it get's Dicey is if we use our MLE on someone... because we may need the MLE to sign Amir (new Arenas/Memo rule).