I screwed up and merged these posts instead of moving them. Now it is jacked up and doesn't retain the author of each post. Sorry, i'll try to fix it but I'm not sure I can now. At any rate, here is all the stuff said about the system. I am locking this because we have the who do you hate most thread. Sorry again, I was trying to clean it all up...
(wtfchris)

A huge thank you to the UCLA Bruins! I have a gut feeling that Florida will get the shot in the title game due to the short memory of the pollsters and voter bias. Many voters will think that Michigan is the second best team in the country, but they will vote Florida #2 because they'll say "Michigan had their chance" and they won't want to see a rematch. I hope to God I'm wrong, because I'm not, I going to throw a massive tyraid! (sp?)

GO BLUE!

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"So you're tellin' me there's a chance".

Florida just didn't look good enough to me. They looked sloppy as hell and vulnerable today. I think they get rolled if they play OSU, and I would like to think that's enough to keep them out but I doubt it. Best game would be OSU-UM but we'll see.

This is from FLORIDA'S Rivals site-


Urban Meyer sees no room for debate.

The Florida coach believes there's no doubt his Gators belong in the national championship game.

"We deserve a shot," Meyer said Saturday night after Florida's 38-28 Southeastern Conference championship game victory over Arkansas at the Georgia Dome. "The other team (Michigan) had their shot. We went 12-1. I think the country wants to see the Southeastern Conference champion against the Big Ten champion."

The Gators made a strong case on the field and in the interview room.

But was it strong enough to help the fourth-ranked Gators leapfrog No. 3 Michigan in the Bowl Championship Series standings and earn a Jan. 8 date with No. 1 Ohio State at Glendale, Ariz.?

Probably not.

Florida had to rally in the second half after blowing a 17-0 advantage. The Gators gave the lead away on a pair of Chris Leak interceptions and regained the lead after Wondy Pierre-Louis recovered a fumbled punt return in the end zone late in the third quarter.

It wasn't necessarily a championship-caliber performance. The Gators did just enough to win.

They'll probably fail to reach the national title game only because their victories lacked the style points required in a system that depends on polls and computers to determine who plays for the championship.

In the end, however, the debate could come down to those dreaded style points.

Michigan has them. Florida doesn't.

And it doesn't really matter that the whole idea of style points determining a title puzzles Meyer to no end.

"With the schedule we play, we just have to find a way to win a game," Meyer said. "I'm not too concerned about style points. I'm concerned about 21 seniors playing their hearts out and finding a way to win 12 games (against) the No. 1 most difficult schedule in America."

The Gators played their hearts out this season.

Now they're probably about to get their hearts broken.
Foxsports.com just projected the BCS bowls.

BCS GAMES

Rose Bowl
Pasadena, CA
Rose Bowl
January 1, 2007, ABC
BCS vs. BCS (Big 10 vs. Pac 10 if available)
Bowl Projection: LSU vs. USC

Fiesta Bowl
Glendale, AZ
Glendale Stadium
January 1, 2007, Fox
BCS vs. BCS (Big 12 Champion to play here if available)
Bowl Projection: Oklahoma vs. Boise State

Orange Bowl
Miami, FL
Dolphins Stadium
January 2, 2007, Fox
BCS vs. BCS (ACC Champion to play here if available)
Bowl Projection: Wake Forest vs. Louisville

Sugar Bowl
New Orleans, LA
Louisiana Superdome
January 3, 2007, Fox
BCS vs. BCS (SEC Champion to play here if available)
Bowl Projection: Notre Dame vs. Florida

BCS Championship Game
Glendale, AZ
Glendale Stadium
January 8, 2007, Fox
BCS No. 1 vs. BCS No. 2
Bowl Projection: Ohio State vs. Michigan

Damn that felt good.

What time do the BCS rankings come out?

They release them on Sundays on the NFL on Fox don't they?

Too bad Tre will be at the mall picking up some Florida gear, lol.


FOX will broadcast the Bowl Championship Series selections Sunday at 8 p.m.
If that Razorback wouldn't have fumbled that punt in the endzone for a TD, I'd say it would have been us. But he did fumble the punt for TD so now its still up in the air.

After reading and listening to what peeps had to say on the tube, I'd say its not even 50/50 for us.

Well Fla moved to #2 in both the coaches and AP...you are looking at a less than 5 percent chance of UM being in the national championship game.


Well Fla moved to #2 in both the coaches and AP...you are looking at a less than 5 percent chance of UM being in the national championship game.
Total bullshit. Florida beats a 3 loss Arkansas team that can't pass by 10 points (7 due to a whack-ass fumbled punt) and they jump Michigan largely in part because we haven't played recently and people flat out don't want to see a rematch. What an absolute joke of a system.

I guess it will make the Big Ten look weaker if Fla wins, so I shouldn't be rooting for Fla, but to hell with the B-10 for a day. Go Gators!

If you think Urban Meyer has been crying for the last week, just wait until Tressel performs a castration on whatever little tiny penis this whining fuckface has left.


Total bullshit. Florida beats a 3 loss Arkansas team that can't pass by 10 points (7 due to a whack-ass fumbled punt) and they jump Michigan largely in part because we haven't played recently and people flat out don't want to see a rematch. What an absolute joke of a system.
I feel your pain dog, but you can't refer to the 7 points due to the fumbled punt because you completely ignored the big two score swing in the OSU-UM game due to 2 Center Fumbles. You can't have it both ways dog.

I don't disagree with you Moodini completely. However, you've got to take a stance and stick with it. You pointed out the fact that USC had a better resume and conceded the fact that because of their resume they should go instead of Michigan. Well, you can make the same case for Florida. If you watched the Florida game, they compared schedules with Michigan. It wasn't even close.

Florida's opponents- #1 win percentage in college football

If you made the argument for USC, then you have to say the same for Florida.

LA Times is leaking that it's OSU - Florida.

Bottom line: this should be decided by 12 games. Florida got a 13th game to make their case. Ok, give us a 13th game and we'll get it done. Actually, that's only the 12th real game Florida played, since they scheduled one of the worst Division 1-AA teams on their non-conference schedule. Total BS, but you can't spell BCS without BS.


LA Times is leaking that it's OSU - Florida.

Bottom line: this should be decided by 12 games. Florida got a 13th game to make their case. Ok, give us a 13th game and we'll get it done. Actually, that's only the 12th real game Florida played, since they scheduled one of the worst Division 1-AA teams on their non-conference schedule. Total BS, but you can't spell BCS without BS.
You can't give Florida crap for scheduling a bad team when they have the toughest schdule in college football. Regardless, I'm sick of this conversation entirely. If you brought some foreigner into the United States and explained our College Football system to him, he'd probably laugh and think it was a joke.

Here we are sitting at computeres waiting for a computer to tell us who will play in the title game. The playoff argument is so played out but that is because everyone wants it and has wanted it for years. College Football is a joke. That's why I love College Basketball so much. They get it right.

Florida played 4 ranked teams, none of them ranked higher than #8 at the time they played them. They currently rank 4, 10, 13 and 18. They lost to #10 by 10. They only played the 4th team (#13) because of the SEC championship game.
Michigan played 2 teams ranked at the time, ranked #1 and #2. They also played Wisconsin who never lost before or after Michigan and is now ranked 5. That means they played the current 1, 5 and 11. Give them the 4th chance in game 13, or even put Penn State up against Tennessee and I like the chances.

By the way, Ball State, Vanderbilt and CMU could easily beat W. Carolina, Central Florida and Southern Miss. That leaves Notre Dame against Florida State.


Florida played 4 ranked teams, none of them ranked higher than #8 at the time they played them. They currently rank 4, 10, 13 and 18. They lost to #10 by 10. They only played the 4th team (#13) because of the SEC championship game.
Michigan played 2 teams ranked at the time, ranked #1 and #2. They also played Wisconsin who never lost before or after Michigan and is now ranked 5. That means they played the current 1, 5 and 11. Give them the 4th chance in game 13, or even put Penn State up against Tennessee and I like the chances.

Michigan played one real tough game all season and lost it. Notre Dame looked like a big win at the time, but we all found out that they are a joke. Moodini even said they were a joke last thursday. They needed a miracle to beat bottle feeding MSU, i mean c'mon!

Wisconsin was a good win, but they are nothing special. They might finish .500 in the SEC.

They did a comparison last night Jethro, it isn't even close to the resume Florida has. You shouldn't be arguing that Michigan's resume is as good. That just makes you sound like a dumb homer. You should be making the argument that it should be settled on the field and that Michigan would get it done if that was the case.


By the way, Ball State, Vanderbilt and CMU could easily beat W. Carolina, Central Florida and Southern Miss. That leaves Notre Dame against Florida State.
Dude, stop. You are my boy but you sound pathetic. Did you read my post? Florida's opponents have the best winning percentage of any team in college football. Their opponents have like a .675 winning percentage.

Change your argument, everybody knows who has the better resume. You have an argument for Michigan, but its not resume.

BTW, tried to quote you and accidently edited your post then changed it back. My bad.

For me the reason we aren't getting the game is that the coaches outside of th Big Ten just don't want to award the National Title to the Big Ten without them having to play someone for it. If UofM plays OSU then, duh, the BT wins the title.

i dont favor a playoffs, but this is complete bullshit.

why rank UM #2 after the loss, if #2 really was #4. dont you typically have to lose to move down?

i dont know how you can be penalized more for losing to the #1 team (in their stadium) than losing to anyother team in the country. that doesnt make sense to me. it makes sense to haters, i guess, but not me.

USC/michigan is going to be a much better game than florida osu. that game will suck.

thank god we didnt have to redo the best sporting event of the year. that would have been awful, i'd much rather watch osu blow florida out of the water.

Basically the decision that has to be made is whether the national championship should be between the top 2 teams in the country or whether it should be between the teams that everyone thinks deserves to go. Florida can make a case, but at the end of the day, they didn't go into Columbus and lose by 3. Their win against Arkansas was horrible, they had to use their gimmick offense and get a little luck from that idiot misfielding the punt (I'm a little biased, I go to Michigan). But I agree with Kirk Herbstriet in that the voters shouldn't be voting for the matchup they WANT to see because we already saw Michigan lose to OSU. At the moment, it seems Florida is going to get in just because everyone assumes that Michigan is worse than OSU. They played @ Columbus, it wasn't the National Title game like everyone said it was. The game's outcome COULD be different if its played at a neutral venue. Before this week the debate was between USC and Michigan. Florida wasn't even in the picture even though USC had lost to Oregon State (WTF??). Now, those same voters are still hellbent on keeping Michigan out of the title game even though they are the 2nd best team in the nation. You gotta stick to your principles. Go Blue

Yep, Pdid...if there were games for a few more weeks we wouldn't even be in the top 20.

Listen, we made this Ohio State vs. Michigan game out to be the biggest thing since sliced bread. We called it "Game of the Century." I've never heard so much hype around one college football game. We knew what the result would be. The winner was going to the National Championship game. The loser was going to the Rose Bowl.

Michigan had their fate in their hands. If they wanted to play in the National Championship game, then they should have proved they were the best team. They should have made defensive adjustments earlier. They shouldn't have allowed 60 yd tds that were the result of bad tackling.

If I was a Michigan fan, I'd want a rematch too. But, if you hold your destiny in your hands and you fail...you can't cry about it. Is the BCS fair? No. But, you had a chance to determine the future rather than hope for the future.

But once we lost, we'd still like a fair shake.

Simple question... Someone gives you a grand to place a bet on a game between UofM and the Gators. Where do you put the G?

I know there are plenty of peeps that say the Gators, but they're from Florida.

And...there was plenty of talk about a rematch before the game was even played. We were ranked 2 for quite a while, until we had to play #1 on the road. We lost, but it wasn't anything near a blowout. I'm thinkin most would agree, we play em 10 times and its prolly going to go to the rubber game. We deserve it.


But once we lost, we'd still like a fair shake.

Simple question... Someone gives you a grand to place a bet on a game between UofM and the Gators. Where do you put the G?

I know there are plenty of peeps that say the Gators, but they're from Florida.
I think that sums it up right there. I thought the championship was #1 vs. #2. If you don't think U of M is number 2 in the country right now, you're either from Florida or Dr. Tre.

How does anyone figure that the SEC is the best conference. They were 1-4 with only Tenn beating Cal vs. top 25 OOC teams this season.

Wow that is a great and impressive conference.

Tre you are delusional if you think that Florida is better than Michigan. In fact, Vegas says on a neutral field UM is a 6 point favorite.

You can say ND sucks all you want, but they did beat GT who played in the ACC championship game.

2 weeks in a row teams jump UM to move up to 2nd. That is my biggest problem if you thought that Florida was better than why didnt you pick them higher last week? I hope none of them are basing it on the Razorback game. It was sloppy and Florida did not look like anything special.

This shouldnt even be a discussion. There should be at least an 8 team playoff; with myself actually supporting a 16 team playoff and get rid of the 12th game.

Anyways, UM is actually still playing, what is MSU doing? If you can make fun of UM not doing well in Bball; how can I not make fun of MSU's football team or lackthereof.


I think that sums it up right there. I thought the championship was #1 vs. #2. If you don't think U of M is number 2 in the country right now, you're either from Florida or Dr. Tre.
I like how fucking blinded you Michigan fans are that write this kind of shit. If Florida fans and I are the only people that believe Florida is the #2 team in the country...THEN WHY DID FLORIDA FINISH #2 IN THE AP AND COACHES POLL RETARD?

I'm sorry to go off, but I'm sick of this shit. You guys act like I am the minority with blinders on. Here you are sitting with your maize and blue shirt on ignoring the fact that writers and coaches all over the country voted for Florida #2. Give me a break! You are the minority, not me.

BTW, please feel free to quote me when I said I felt Florida was the #2 team. I've never said that once. The only thing I said was that Michigan had their shot to win it all, now Florida should get their shot.


Listen, we made this Ohio State vs. Michigan game out to be the biggest thing since sliced bread. We called it "Game of the Century." I've never heard so much hype around one college football game. We knew what the result would be. The winner was going to the National Championship game. The loser was going to the Rose Bowl.

Michigan had their fate in their hands. If they wanted to play in the National Championship game, then they should have proved they were the best team. They should have made defensive adjustments earlier. They shouldn't have allowed 60 yd tds that were the result of bad tackling.

If I was a Michigan fan, I'd want a rematch too. But, if you hold your destiny in your hands and you fail...you can't cry about it. Is the BCS fair? No. But, you had a chance to determine the future rather than hope for the future.
Even though Tre is a douche, I agree with this. The path to the National Championship isn't even and sometimes it's your team that gets shafted with having to play the second best team in the nation on their home field just to get to the game.

Sure its bullshit that the Wolverines lose out because their schedule ends early but so it goes.

That said most of the posts in here are legitimate gripes and I'm certainly not asking anyone to stop.

Look at the computer averages and tell me what was going on with the guy that actually voted Florida #1 and Ohio State #2.

Look, it is what it is. There's a reason Lloyd didn't argue. When a championship is won through an argument it isn't worth it. Michigan just needs to go out and win and let the rest take care of itself.

Long time reader, first time poster...

I just wondered if everyone realizes how blinded by hate this joker is. It is obvious that people just don't want to see a rematch.. Florida was way behind UM in both polls before a pretty uninspired victory over a 3-loss arkansas that was previously blown out at home by 36 and had lost the previous week. This same florida team must be pretty uninspired for most of their games since they barely beat crap teams like s.car, ken, vandy, fsu. Sure UM had one letdown game, but UF had 4. However, all of a sudden they're a jugernaut and leap past UM. While it is not possible to definitively say that UM would beat UF without an actual game, I think it is clear that the system is being manipulated such that UF is suddenly getting boosted at the last minute.

I also find it ironic that this tre guy is one of the "michigan had their chance" crowd, when the only reason msu basketball has been relevant at all for the last 5 years is because of a couple of fluke tourney runs. MSU bball has "blown their chance" during the big10 regular season the last 5 years yet still gets to redeem their reputation with a couple of wins in the tournament. However, msu bball is more "elite" than um football. Ok, buddy keep touting that thumping of Bradley- great win!



I like how fucking blinded you Michigan fans are that write this kind of shit. If Florida fans and I are the only people that believe Florida is the #2 team in the country...THEN WHY DID FLORIDA FINISH #2 IN THE AP AND COACHES POLL RETARD?

I'm sorry to go off, but I'm sick of this shit. You guys act like I am the minority with blinders on. Here you are sitting with your maize and blue shirt on ignoring the fact that writers and coaches all over the country voted for Florida #2. Give me a break! You are the minority, not me.

BTW, please feel free to quote me when I said I felt Florida was the #2 team. I've never said that once. The only thing I said was that Michigan had their shot to win it all, now Florida should get their shot.

I like how fucking blinded you Michigan fans are that write this kind of shit. If Florida fans and I are the only people that believe Florida is the #2 team in the country...THEN WHY DID FLORIDA FINISH #2 IN THE AP AND COACHES POLL RETARD?

I'm sorry to go off, but I'm sick of this shit. You guys act like I am the minority with blinders on. Here you are sitting with your maize and blue shirt on ignoring the fact that writers and coaches all over the country voted for Florida #2. Give me a break! You are the minority, not me.

BTW, please feel free to quote me when I said I felt Florida was the #2 team. I've never said that once. The only thing I said was that Michigan had their shot to win it all, now Florida should get their shot.

First of all - fuck off. You talk like you're the victim every post you make and here you are starting off with the name calling.

Second of all - you should pathetic when you make the statement "Michigan fans are all the same" and "Typical Michigan fan." We get it - you don't like Michigan. Somehow someone touched you when you were a little kid and had a U of M shirt on.

Third of all - it's hard to take the shit you say seriously when it's always anti-Michigan. Everything you say about them is negative so why would anyone ever listen to the puke that you write. (I know, I know. Here comes the part where you say something to the effect of "look retard - I say constructive things about Michigan" and then challenge me to "go back and read your posts")

Finally - Michigan just got passed over here for the second week in a row because of a fatally flawed system. Michigan fans are in here stewing about how much this system sucks and the only reason you're in here is because it makes you hard to see Michigan fans in agony. So you come in here and try and rub it in by talking about why Florida is better... THE SAME FUCKING WAY YOU WERE TALKING LAST WEEK ABOUT WHY USC IS BETTER. Get a life dude - I, on behalf of Michigan fans through the state, apologize to you that Michigan fans had a great season and that it's not over yet. I guess you can consider this a "mini victory" that U of M won't be playing for the championship.


I know, I'll say it for you: Typical fucking Michigan fans.

Izquierdaste - welcome aboard. Awesome first post. You're already cool in my book.

I heard Jim Tressel on the phone this morning talking on Sportscenter (an early edition). He said he doesn't know whether to vote for Florida or Michigan in the Coach's Poll. Translation: "I'm voting for Florida". He also stated "I don't want either coach to get mad at me" Translation: "I'm voting for Florida". As much as I hate Michigan I'm from Big 10 Country and in my opinion you have to show loyalty to your conference and if Tressel knows whats good for him he will vote for Michigan. If he doesn't I can see many of the Big 10 schools, not just Michigan very upset.

I think we all know how Dr.Tressel is voting.

Why wouldn't Jim Tressel vote for Florida? UM gave them all they could handle at home, and a rematch would favor UM. Anyway, Florida should go. I just want people in the media to be held accountable. For six weeks all we've heard from the talking heads is: "MIchigan and OSU are the best! They should have a rematch! I'm getting a BONER just thinking about it!"
Then when all the scenarios play out, they completely flip flop, as if they were voting Florida all along. Liars, no accountability, no credibility, and no integrity.
If you would have told me that going into this weekend that if USC lost but Florida won, you'd vote for Florida because you believe they have proven more, I'd buy it.
Not this shit of acting like you KNEW this is how it would play out. It's a shame we don't hold our media accountable.

Tressel knows Michigan can beat his team and Florida can't. He didn't vote so that he would look good, but in reality the vote Michigan deserved there will hurt Michigan. It doesn't matter. It's a controversy either way and Lloyd Carr showed class by not beating the media for some love, while Urban Meyer went Nebraska on the media. Urban Meyer + Billy Donovan = tons of class in Gainesville.

Basically the decision that has to be made is whether the national championship should be between the top 2 teams in the country or whether it should be between the teams that everyone thinks deserves to go. Florida can make a case, but at the end of the day, they didn't go into Columbus and lose by 3. Their win against Arkansas was horrible, they had to use their gimmick offense and get a little luck from that idiot misfielding the punt (I'm a little biased, I go to Michigan). But I agree with Kirk Herbstriet in that the voters shouldn't be voting for the matchup they WANT to see because we already saw Michigan lose to OSU. At the moment, it seems Florida is going to get in just because everyone assumes that Michigan is worse than OSU. They played @ Columbus, it wasn't the National Title game like everyone said it was. The game's outcome COULD be different if its played at a neutral venue. Before this week the debate was between USC and Michigan. Florida wasn't even in the picture even though USC had lost to Oregon State (WTF??). Now, those same voters are still hellbent on keeping Michigan out of the title game even though they are the 2nd best team in the nation. You gotta stick to your principles. Go Blue

Awesome post, iorek. You need to get back to posting here regularly - hope to see your talent in the graphics forum.

Art, Motown, and Newbie,
You guys need to settle down. I get it, you are pissed. So, you take it out on the State guy. Get a grip though!

1) I never said Florida was better than Michigan, yet all three of you went off on me for saying so.

2) I'm as obsessed as anybody with MSU, yet I couldn't even fathom a way to get MSU into this topic like Art and Newbie did. MSU fball sucks, they don't deserve to be in this thread. And when you bring up MSU bball in this thread, you sound pathetic. (yet we have the complex right?)

3) I haven't talked trash one time here. Gave UM credit more than once today for a great season and "scary good" team. Yet, you ignore that and go off on me.

You sound like pissed off, pathetic, frustrated fans. Have a little class and self respect and just argue your points like Jethro, Moodini, Glenn, etc.

You know whats funny about this whole thing is that the computer rankings may have been the most accurate out of the 3 they use. It had Florida and Michigan dead even. The other two human polls had Florida up on Michigan by a wide margin. No one can (even me) can conclusively say that Michigan > Florida, but based on what I've seen, my opinion is that they are. I'm just kind of annoyed how the media immediately jumped on Florida's band wagon without being more impartial. I'm sure their harping on Florida's case changed more than a few voters minds while Michigan sat idle.

I like how fucking blinded you Michigan fans are that write this kind of shit. If Florida fans and I are the only people that believe Florida is the #2 team in the country...THEN WHY DID FLORIDA FINISH #2 IN THE AP AND COACHES POLL RETARD?


Let me try to explain a little slower since you didn't seem to understand the first time. (hopefully you don't teach reading comprehension). You said michigan fans were retarded to question polling results. I posted reasons why those polling results seemed manipulated. Since you made no case against what I said, I guess that you agree with me. That's nice.

Also, I can bring msu basketball and the eliteness of msu basketball/um football into the equation to show how myopic your hate is. You just want to stir up trouble and then act the martyr. Who started the msu bball-um fball eliteness debate and why can't I cite that in any thread i want as an example of your bias?

Just curious.. Has that debate been settled? Are you willing to go record and say um fball is every bit as good if not better than msu bball?

I don't hate msu and I actually root for them except when they play um or unc. I just find it annoying with your constant needling and then playing the martyr so I felt like i'd get out some aggression on a disappointing night.

Oh my God, I'm so fucking pissed off right now. I seriously don't remember a time that I've been this mad. Michigan got absolutely jobbed. HOW CAN YOU BE RANKED AT #2, NOT LOSE, AND GET PASSED BY NOT ONE, BUT TWO TEAMS WHO HAVE THE PRIVLEGE OF PLAYING VASTLY OVERRATED TEAMS WHILE MICHIGAN SITS AT HOME?

2 reasons-

1. The clowns that vote in these damn polls have a shorter memory than a puppy dog. Michigan is at #2, USC is at #3 and exposes Notre Dame and all the slappy pollsters soil themselves and jump USC over idle Michigan. Then, USC loses, so Michigan is #2 right? Nope! They get jumped by Florida, after the Gators (in their 13th game) sloppily beat a 3 loss Arkansas that has no resemblance of a passing game, team by 10 points. BULLSHIT![/b]

2. The clowns that vote in these polls all believe that Michigan is the #2 team in the country, but voted Florida #2 because they flat out did not want to see a rematch. Which again, is BULLSHIT. 4 guys actually voted Michigan at #4!!! Their names are Ray Melick, Gene Ponti, Tim Neverett, and Paul Ziese. TIM NEVERETT ACTUALLY VOTED MICHIGAN #4 BEHIND USC!
link-http://www.harrisinteractive.com/news/bcspoll.asp

All of these Florida slaps are saying "Michigan had their chance."But, when Florida won their National Championship in 1996, they had 1 loss, to Florida State. Guess who played in the National Championship game? Florida vs. Florida State, with Florida winning the rematch.

Like I said, I am absolutely livid right now and no one should want to be around me for a long time. AAAAAAAAAH! FUCK YOU BCS! [smilie=faeuste_bal:

thats what really pisses you off. do your fucking job. if you feel florida is #2 ahead of michigan, fine. thats a reasonable position. i guess. but dont fucking manipulate the polls by putting florida #1 or by burrying michigan. i hope these guys lose their credentials. is there any accountability?

This is why politics and sports are two different forums. Someone forget to tell the voters. Any system in which game competition is determined by voting is inherently flawed. And yet Tressel doesn't even understand that. He made comments about how we can't have a playoff system. And yet, to make his point he went to the extreme and mentioned a 16-team playoff. Well of course you can't have a 16-team playoff. You don't let 16 in right now. Until this year only 8 got into the BCS system. So an 8 team playoff reduces that by one game and suddenly weakens his argument.


Art, Motown, and Newbie,
You guys need to settle down. I get it, you are pissed. So, you take it out on the State guy. Get a grip though!

1) I never said Florida was better than Michigan, yet all three of you went off on me for saying so.

2) I'm as obsessed as anybody with MSU, yet I couldn't even fathom a way to get MSU into this topic like Art and Newbie did. MSU fball sucks, they don't deserve to be in this thread. And when you bring up MSU bball in this thread, you sound pathetic. (yet we have the complex right?)

3) I haven't talked trash one time here. Gave UM credit more than once today for a great season and "scary good" team. Yet, you ignore that and go off on me.

You sound like pissed off, pathetic, frustrated fans. Have a little class and self respect and just argue your points like Jethro, Moodini, Glenn, etc.
You're going to "lecture" me about class and self respect? That's hilarious. Like I said, you were the one that called me out by starting the name calling. Now you're going to step back and say "Whoa settle down - don't take it out on the State guy." You're somthing else, man.

You want me to argue points? Here you go - this is what the final poll came down to: money. You're right, it's not just you and Florida fans that think Florida is more deserving. It's you and SEC fans. The SEC knows that if it's a Michigan vs. OSU national championship, all of that money goes to one conference - The Big Ten. As an SEC school, they're sitting there in absolute fear that the Big Ten gets all that money. So all of the sudden, the SEC teams are helping each other out with the polls, pulling for one another. Meanwhile, here in the Big Ten, we got the fucker Tressel who refuses to vote in the final poll, "because it puts him in an awkward position." No, it's because he's giving a vote to Florida. Pulling together and voting for your conference would have been the intelligent thing to do, but when you're Jim Tressel, you'll do whatever you can do be a asshole and stick it to Michigan. Truth be told, what team do you think he would rather face? Florida, who hasn't been in the NC conversation until they play a 13th game and win SLOPPILY over an above average Arkansas team? Or Michigan, a team who took him to the brink in his own stadium with 100,000 drunk fans surrounding his team screaming obscenities at their rivals?

Why is the SEC the best conference? Because they have 5 or 6 average teams that beat up on each other? Because it's not as big of a difference from #1 in the SEC to #12? Because they have a championship game? I'd go back and say Florida beat a team that lost 50-14 to the team who was just about to go the the NC before they blew it by 10 (sloppy), but that would be repeating everyone elses words here.

Meanwhile, Michigan gets to play a USC team that we've played in the recent past, on basically their home turf. Sounds like Michigan will have an easy time getting up for this game... (sarcasm if you were wondering)


So Tre, go ahead and call me a "pissed off, pathetic, frustrated fan" because my favorite team just got royally screwed. I'll take that. At least I'm not the one who came in this thread to lick the tears of Michigan fans to get his rocks off.

This voting is a joke. Someone put Boise at #2.

Did you see someone put Florida ahead of OSU (Jim Walden)!

Another thing: I don't ever want to hear any assholes from the college media talk about how great it would be to see Duke vs. North Carolina in the NCAA Basketball championship. They've already played - obviously the regular season games are what matters.

If two Big Ten teams make the Final 4 this year (as they often do), I think that when they play each other that they should just vote on a winner. That seems to be the best way to go.

It's too bad Auburn didn't beat Arkansas in their conference game. That would have been a huge controversy because Florida would have been playing the team they lost to in the SEC Championship. Florida would have had a 2nd chance, is there any way Michigan could have been denied of their 2nd chance?

I had to add this too:


SPARTAN THINKS BLUE

Michigan State basketball coach Tom Izzo — who helped find the Spartans’ newest football coach — said he would have voted for the school down the road.

“I hate to say it because I’m not allowed to vote for Michgian, but I think Lloyd’s a good guy and I’m for the Big Ten, too. Florida deserves some things, but I think Michigan’s the second-best team right now.

“I really honestly do. On both sides of the ball, I think they’ve done a hell of a job. You talk about schedules and this and that, and there’s some truth to some of that, but I watch enough football and I’ve watched Florida and I like Florida. But I’ve gotta admit, I think this is one of the best Michigan teams I’ve seen in awhile, so I guess I’d give my vote to Michigan.”

Guess Izzo better not fax over that football resume down to Gainesville.

Told that after his team beat Bradley on Sunday afternoon that the coaches’ poll already had sided with Florida, Izzo said, winking, “Really? Well, I’d have to take those nasty Wolverines."

This voting is a joke. Someone put Boise at #2.

Did you see someone put Florida ahead of OSU (Jim Walden)!
Yup, Walden put Florida at #1, just to stick it to Michigan. The polls would have been so much different if Ohio State wasn't the team in waiting. Again......BULLSHIT! [smilie=faeuste_bal:

I wonder what would happen if you took the voters out of the equation that did not put Michigan and Florida at #2 and #3 (or vice versa). How would the math work out then?

Florida got jobbed by one voter (was 4th or 5th), but Michigan got jobbed by 4 or 5 voters. Was that the margain of victory? Or would Florida go even if those people hadn't "massaged" their votes?

Meyer is about as unclass as Gary Danielson whose horrible chart showing Florida w/ 7 pluses against 3 pluses for Michigan. Somone explain to me how he can say us beating Vandy by 20 and Florida winning by 6 is a push? We beat MSU by 14 and they beat an absolute terrible team in the 4th qtr. by 7 poings a push? Puuhhleeeazzee. SEC and CBS have a contract together and it was ridiculously unprofessional for Danielson to rip on Michigan and preach for Florida.

Now on to the biggest baby I've seen since Tom Osborne (aka retiring so Nebraska could get a share of the 97' championship). He cries about "style points" and how they shouldn't matter at all. This same guy that when he was at Utah was saying that these "style points" should be the reason Utah should go to a BCS bowl because the amount of points they put up. This guy is such a joke and I will laugh when OSU kicks Florida's ass by at least 14. Just get a 4 team playoff to play for the top 2 bowls, every other sport has a playoff, why can't we do it for NCAA FB?

I wonder if that has anything to do with who won the National Championship for BBall last year and who MSU beat in 2000 to get theirs. ha ha! makes ya think though.

yup... just hear me out. I don't post on this thing too often but it is becoming a guility pleasure so to speak. but after reading all of this, i've become kinda concerned/upset with everything that I'm hearing. I'm not necessarily upset with what you all have been saying but with the "system".... this BCS System. So i have a point I want to make but I have to clear somethings up first... forgive... i haven't figured out how to do the quotes in the boxes just yet... (remember i still new at this). but it appears that someone supports this "system" and I must strongly disagree with them.
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B-diddy on 12/2 writes:
there's alot of reasons why the present bowl system is preferable, but it all boils down to:

if it aint broke, don't fix it. i'd have to say college ball is doing alright, no need to ruin the only sport left with rivalrys by adding a playoff.
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I have to jump in on that. A) Please tell me OTHER THAN THE MONEY... why the bowl system is preferrable. B). I can't believe that you actually believe that there are no other sports that have rivalrys? C). I'm more upset that no one has responded to how absurd that comment is yet.... so D). I'm not going to respond to how absurd that comment is either (even though E)... i already have... so I must be absurd).


Ok... so that's out of the way.

THE SYSTEM

GLENN on 11/27 mentioned that coaches don't really watch the other games.
I have to agree with your sir on that... so how/why do we have a SYSTEM that let's them determine a vote. I mean Tressel didn't vote and gets blasted. He would have been blasted either way. He votes for Michigan but what if he really didn't want to play them. I mean they only won by 3pts. and had Home "FIELD" advantage. I wouldn't want to play that team again. So he votes for Florida and gets blasted by everyone in his conference for not supporting his conference.

NOW ONTO FLORIDA.
the only point that I have not heard that really makes any sense ... since THIS SYSTEM sucks... is that FLORIDA won THEIR CONFERENCE and MICHIGAN did not. Hold on UofM fans. Hold on. Michigan IMO SHOULD HAVE BEEN the 2nd BEST team in the country... but that's According to the SYSTEM. the computers were even and the biased people swung the vote ridiculously in the wrong direction. BUT THE ONLY WAY TO KNOW WHO #2 TRULY IS ... YES... BY A PLAYOFF.

THE SYSTEM is WHACK and I will write more about that possibly at another time... but to stay on subject...

I MOVE TO THE PLAYOFF

I don't care if it's 8 or 16. It needs to be more than 4 because #5 or #6 will complain too much. But if it is 16...could a Tennessee #17 in the BCS who lost to Florida, LSU, and Arkansas have a point. maybe... but no one would care. OR how about Cal #18 in the BCS... hmm... lost to USC, ARIZONA!?!, and wow... Tennessee... sorry Rocky Top... probably not your year.

Now as my well spoken friend Izerdiastque.. (sorry for the mispell) who I will affectionately call IZZY... dropped the term MYOPIC on somebody... and yes...I had to go look and look it up... it means Nearsighted and kinda foolish. ANYWAY... let's not be MYOPIC and look at the bigger picture.

YA'LL STILL WITH ME?
I heard alot of smack about UofM playing Ball St. and Florida playing ... W. Carolina late in the season and then I read that ARTERMIS said to get rid of the 12th game. that made mad crazy sense to me... So I LOOKED AT THE TOP 8 TEAMS according the BCS and noticed that most of them are guilty. so let's take a look. Thank your ARTERMIS for your insight. I agree. Get rid of the 12th game.

1 OSU- Bowling Green (Oct. 7th -2 games into conf. play)
2 Florida - W. Carolina
3 UM- Ball State
4 LSU -Fresno St (Oct. 21 won the game 38-6)
5 USC -IMO thought the schedule was legit
6 Louisville - Oct. 6 Middle Tenn St (won 44-17)
7 Wisconsin - Buffalo
8 Oklahoma - IMO thought the schedule was legit

So keep your bowls... keep your friggin' enormous amounts of money you make off of student athletes who SUPPOSEDLY see none of it in their pocket... with your ticket sales, tv contracts, and who knows what else (well i don't but i'm sure Uof Miami is not going to friggin' Boise JUST to play FOOTBALL)... but you can have all that WITH a PLAYOFF FORMAT. it's just so frustrating that the people in control are so greedy and so scared of change. How is adding more sweet matchups not appealing or not going to even give you more money?!? It just doesn't make any sense! AHHHH!

ok... thank you for those of you who actually read this whole thing. I won't write anymore for 3 months. (just kidding... but no really thank you for reading if you indeed did read this far... ok slydiggity.. they got the joke... they're not ALL myopic...you're just not funny)



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B-diddy on 12/2 writes:
there's alot of reasons why the present bowl system is preferable, but it all boils down to:

if it aint broke, don't fix it. i'd have to say college ball is doing alright, no need to ruin the only sport left with rivalrys by adding a playoff.
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I have to jump in on that. A) Please tell me OTHER THAN THE MONEY... why the bowl system is preferrable. B). I can't believe that you actually believe that there are no other sports that have rivalrys? C). I'm more upset that no one has responded to how absurd that comment is yet.... so D). I'm not going to respond to how absurd that comment is either (even though E)... i already have... so I must be absurd).


lol, i posted that already and now im eating my words.

the system is not broken because the regular season of college football is way more exciting than anyother in sports. thats a fact. the result of that though is that college football probably has the worst post season... no one remembers who won what unless you wona a NC. these are related. the inverse is college bball. i would say 90 % of college bball fans watch the tourney and nothing else (slight exageration). thats cuz the reg season means next to nothing but the tourney is awesome.

i think you cant have great both.

and the rivalries in college football are greater than any rivalry in any other sport i know of. it doesnt even compare.

but like i said, im eating my words. this season is the perfect example of why a playoff is going to happen soon (judging by the talk on espn). it cant be 16, or even 8 teams... these kids are students after all, who have to attend classes. i think 4 teams, or 3 three with a bye would be preferable. that way your still limiting the NC hopes to 1 loss teams, and they would all likely have legit claims to the NC game. how often in one year do more than 3 or 4 teams have a legit claim?


the system is not broken because the regular season of college football is way more exciting than anyother in sports. thats a fact. the result of that though is that college football probably has the worst post season... no one remembers who won what unless you wona a NC. these are related. the inverse is college bball. i would say 90 % of college bball fans watch the tourney and nothing else (slight exageration). thats cuz the reg season means next to nothing but the tourney is awesome.

i think you cant have great both.
I'm going to have to disagree with you b. If you create a 4 team or even an 8 team playoff, each and every regular season game will be absolutely ginormous. Hypothetically, let's say Michigan is ranked #3 in the country going into the Michigan State game next year. Let's say MSU nips U-M in a rivalry game and pulls the upset. Do you think the pollsters would still have Michigan in the top 8 let alone the top 4 with a loss to Sparty on their resume? I think not. They need to keep the bowls intact, but add a 4 team playoff, or if possible an 8 team playoff using the 4 BCS bowls as the start of "the tournament".

After years of thought on college football, I have one of the craziest ideas out there and Ive never heard it. What about a flex playoff system with set rules so that its not up to debate. Here are my basic scenarios.

If there are two unbeaten BCS conf teams, or two teams that are clearly ahead in the polls they play a championship game. Basically works out to be just like it is now. "Clearly" could be defined by a set number of separation in the BCS or something, or being the only BCS conf teams that are undefeated.

If there is one team clearly ahead and another two teams that stand above everybody else (like this year)... have the two contending teams play to see who plays in the title game. This is basically a plus-one with OSU getting a bye and UM and UF battling it out on the field.

If there are three BCS conf teams that are unbeaten like in 2004 when Auburn got shafted (not saying they deserved it more than OK or USC but they did get shafted) it gets tough. With what Ive already explained, anything more than a plus-one with a max of four teams involved isnt logical. Using the 2004 season as an example, either Cal or Texas gets shafted. Personally, Id rather be shafted as the #5 team looking in than the #3 team looking in like Auburn was stuck with. So with this scenario we have two plus-one games leading to a title game. I think this works as well as playoffs (basically is a short playoff) because the NCAA wont make even an eight team playoff let alone sixteen. No matter how many teams are in, the next couple teams will be screaming. Might as well cut it off at four.

Thats my basic idea. I think the media would love it because leading into the last week they would have so much more to talk about... 'are we going to have a plus-one, two plus-ones, or just a straight title game?' As far as the plus-one, it should be played a week before the title game... dont make the title game a week later. I know its a crazy idea, but if you roll it around in your head for a bit its the only way to be as close as can be to fair from year to year.

Great post Sly, you're doing just fine.

Especially when you agree with me, lol.

Tressel is being bashed by the national media and his fellow coaches for his gutless move of not voting in the final coaches poll. Here's Lloyd Carr's view of the Snake's move.

On Jim Tressel not voting in the final poll:

"I thought it was real slick.

"I think you'd have to ask Coach Tressel [why he didn't]. That's something he could answer better than I could."

On whether he'd ever opt out of casting a ballot:

"No."

Jim Tressel is a giant douche.

The thing I don't understand is why a friggin' head coach at a major university doesn't have the guts to vote and then stand behind it. In my opinion, he's justified either way.
If he thinks Florida is #2, then VOTE them #2. If you think UM is, then vote that way.
You telling me you can go into the home of someone like Maurice Clarett or some other kid, whether it's in a bad neighborhood, or a horrible neighborhood (like the suburbs) and sell yourself, but you can't vote in something that determines a national championship? Chicken shit.
If Lloyd doesn't start beating this guy, I'm gonna get pissed off. Lloyd doesn't want me coming to Ann Arbor ready to kick some ass, I guarantee you that.