Oh baby boy! I got ahold of the biggest piece of insider information I've ever come acrossed in my life. Before I begin, let me tell you this isn't chat room rumor. You can go to scout, rivals, mlive, anything you can think of and I guarantee you won't read this there (YET). In addition, I can also guarantee that this info is absolutely 100% true. I can't give away the source, but I'll tell you it will all come out in time. I'd put my life savings on it. So here it is...

Dar Tucker called up coach Izzo last year and informed him that he made his college choice. Tucker accepted Izzo's scholarship offer and wanted to be a Spartan. He let Izzo know that he wanted to set up a press conference and make the announcement public shortly, they'd have to work out schedules.

In the meantime, several schools and shoe companies threw their hat into the situation. Arthur Hill Head Coach Greg McMath helped make sure they became a factor. McMath let it be known that he wasn't against monetary convincing when it came to his player Tucker. He started letting some schools know that he felt he could pursuade Tucker if given the right incentive. McMath first accepted $2,000 from the University of Miami to help convince Tucker to go there. For those of you following the situation, you might have noticed that out of nowhere Tucker added Miami to his list. McMath proceeded to initiate other dealings with multiple schools trying to create a bidding war. Florida is rumored to be one of them, however a specific cash amount was not confirmed. Dar's AAU coach heard a few rumblings about money getting involved. His AAU coach began accepting money not only from some schools, but also from several shoe companies and began passing part of it on to McMath in attempt to pursuade him to convince Dar to switch from MSU to another school. DePaul became a factor and so did Louisville. McMath hinted to MSU's coaches that some incentive might be needed to keep Dar a Spartan commitment. MSU would not have anything to do with it.

All of Arthur Hill's assistant coaches started to find out what was going on. They were not happy and did not agree with what McMath was doing. They voiced their opinion and things broke down. Every single Arthur Hill assistant coach quit. Queston the validity? Check Arthur Hill's bench for those of you that are familiar with the program. See any assistants from last year? Assistant coaches on defending Class A State Championship teams that return everybody tend to stick around.

The Saginaw News is currently working on breaking the story wide open. They don't have enough concrete proof yet, but stay tuned. This will become public, I'm almost sure of it. I thought this would interest all MSU and UM fans here since we've all followed the recruitment of Tucker. Sucks how corrupt things have become. It also sucks that MSU would have had another player in the mold of Raymar Morgan.

Jethro, keep this one on the DL homie. I don't need my name attached to it if it starts getting around the Hill.

DrTre for POW, if the glove fits....

Fantastic info DrTre

I both believe that, and think that'd be BIG.

Thanks for the info.

I'll wait until I hear more. I know Dar has signed his LOI to go to DePaul and there was a press conference at the school. I have an upset stomach reading this, that's about all I'll say right now. My plan is to give people the benefit of the doubt until everything comes out officially, then I'll get into it. I'm not sure I could function in my day to day stuff otherwise.

One thing that I do not know about this situation is if Dar got any money or even if he knew about money. Knowing what McMath did, I wouldn't put it past him to pass some on to Tucker to help him change his mind. But, it could just be the coach taking it and then trying to influence.

I hate to put a damper on your day Jethro, but I can guarantee you that this is true. Wish I could explain how I know, but I can't. Just don't go around talking about it though (I'm sure you already know that).

I see why Izzo has gotten so fed up with recruiting at times in his career. Anthony Roberson and now Tucker.

damn, great scoop, DrTre.

Good stuff Tre.

And things have spread pretty quickly. This thread has been linked on more than one board I frequent.

damn, great scoop, DrTre.

Thanks man.

I hope The Saginaw News uncovers it. It'll be interesting to read what they uncover.

Nice work Tre. [smilie=reporter.gi:

I'm glad to hear that Izzo stays above the fray.

Nice work Tre. [smilie=reporter.gi:

I'm glad to hear that Izzo stays above the fray.

Yeah me too. And that story isn't my Spartan tainted story to make Izzo sound great. It's word for word the truth.

Nice work Tre. [smilie=reporter.gi:

I'm glad to hear that Izzo stays above the fray.

moi aussi!

I'm a huge Izzo fan and considering his class and character, I would expect nothing less.

IlliniAmy owns Glenn in alpaca battles.

IlliniAmy owns Glenn in alpaca battles.

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Droll.

I'm only replying to you so my sig has another chance to pull in more noobs.

Welcome noobs! We love you!

I'm not very knowledgable on the recruiting stuff. Can you give me the skinny on Tucker the player?

I'm not very knowledgable on the recruiting stuff. Can you give me the skinny on Tucker the player?

I first saw Dar Tucker as a freshman and I was floored. He was a star as a freshman and playing on the biggest stage. He can really get up and throw it down. He's very strong and athletic. He can shoot the three ball pretty well, but his strength would be slashing and powering more inside. His ball handling skills need work, but they aren't bad.

He really reminds me of Raymar Morgan for MSU. Another guy I would compare him to is Alando Tucker for Wisky. But, Dar has a better outside shot. Tucker was one of the few high profile recruits that actually said who his leader was early and often. He was quoted several times saying that Michigan State was #1 on his list. I loved the kids game and wanted him badly. Usually recruits won't name their number 1 because they want all colleges pursuing.

Jethro, Moodini, and I sat behind Izzo last year at the Hill when Tucker faced Kalin Lucas. Lucas definately stole the show, but Tucker wasn't getting the rock. We will definately be there again for Kalin vs. Tucker II.

DePaul did kind of come out of left field so that part makes sense. You better watch your back leaking this kind of stuff Tre, don't want to find you in a body bag.

DePaul did kind of come out of left field so that part makes sense. You better watch your back leaking this kind of stuff Tre, don't want to find you in a body bag.

You're probably right! haha (notice the exclamation point- that one is for you homie haha)

I guess I don't get how the shoe companies and agents never get in trouble for this kind of thing... only the schools.

The interesting thing is that the apparent scoop was that test scores were the thing holding him up from commiting. Word around the school had even been generated that the coaches were pushing for him to do a year at a prep school - not sure if that was just rumor or validity, but on at least one occasion I heard Dar himself mention it and he wasn't feeling it.

Ok, I had to get something to reassure me today. I spoke with someone I know I can trust who has been at the school. We spoke on mutual condition of anonimity and I put it out there that I read a buzz online (no source named to protect those needing protection) that an area writer might be breaking a scandalous story. I didn't say anything else, and the other person immediately named the two people in question and said "Makes sense." That was all that was said, and all that needed to be said.

At the end of the day, I just hope the people responsible get all the blame and not Arthur Hill. The people at Arthur Hill are fighting too hard to overcome stereotyping to have something like this hang like a cloud over the school.

Will it be Daryl Q. Tucker breaking the story?

That's the only reporter's name that I can remember from The Saginaw News.

EDIT: wait... Dar Tucker, Daryl Q. Tucker, hmmm

I'm guessing it would have to be Bernreuter or Constantine.

Oh yeah, Hugh the mad bavarian or Mark the Shark, right?

I used to try and beat the PTW5 all the time as a kid.

What about John Pozenel Jr. or John Walker, lol.

(Both Heritage HS grads, btw)

Now that I think about it, Greg Mancina is the one I see around AHHS most often.

Good ol' Boom Boom.

I guess I remember more than Daryl Q. after all.

I guess I don't understand why you posted the info on a big MB if you don't want Jethro talking about it? Or is there more that I don't know about?

This thing is getting out of control. I got to school today (Elementary School in Saginaw) and I heard two teachers talking about this very thing so I sorta listened in. I heard them talking about McMath and they said they didn't know him very well, but weren't sure either way. Now I am just getting home and I have checked 5 different "rivals" websites and 4 of the 5 have this exact story linked on their website and 2 of them even have information about DrTre. I think this thing is starting to get even bigger than anyone on this forum had ever thought.

http://depaul.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=2125&tid=84317668&mid=84317668&sid=1143&style=2

http://michiganstate.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=313&mid=84327716&sid=951&tid=84327716&style=2&Override=1

http://michigan.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=40&mid=84317370&sid=883&tid=84317370&style=2&Override=1

Nice work Tre...those are just the free versions...no doubt the stir you have caused on the Depaul premium board.

bizarre. i watched 'he got game last night' (excellent) and now this. its like the movies i watch somehow always have an affect on reality...

Wow. Just goes to show the type of exposure this message board has now. From the sounnds of it the news guy isn't the only one with the scoop, but this is the only board releasing the info thus far.
Did the news source have any clue this board would break the story instead of him?

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Okay, after seeing all of these message boards that are now linked here I'm realizing that we are now welcoming a nation wide fan base all coming here to read the story.

So I want to let those of you know that this is not your typical message board garbage as I previously stated. I have no reason to have sour grapes over Tucker. MSU has the #5 class coming in. I'm very happy as a MSU fan with what is coming in and I have no reason to be sour about Tucker. I have no reason to hate on Depaul one bit either. I was actually watching them the other night and was rooting on Chandler as he dropped 20 on Kentucky.

I really wish I could tell you how I came across this info so that those of you who are fans of Depaul, Florida, etc. could know just how truthful this story is. Trust me when I say this, this story will come out. If it doesn't come out months from now...I'll provide a little more insight to clear up just how I came across this info. I can guarantee that these events did happen. I do not know exact dollar amounts or exactly what exchanged hands other than the $2,000 from Miami. That dollar amount was confirmed for sure. I really wish these events did not take place. Dar comes from a very rough home situation and I want the guy to get out of Saginaw and find success. I also hate scandals in college basketball because I absolutely love the sport and despise anyone who corrupts it. Hopefully this situation gets cleaned up and we get the guilty parties out of basketball.

We got your back Tre. Otherwise we'll have to mail you to Abu Dhabi.

I'm kind of excited to see Tre on Around the Horn next week. They already know what he does and where he works so it won't be long until we see him on National TV if this story breaks any bigger. I can picture it now.........Tony Reali welcoming Jay Mariotti, Bob Ryan, Woody Paige and Tre to the show. Then Tony and Mike welcome Tre as their special guest on 5 good minutes.........I'm feeling it.

Just visited MLive, it's all over there now too. Major talk down lower on the mb. People are posting links to this thread and many are discussing.

Thanks for getting my back Uxka! Thanks for the dap too Jickboy and Filly

Wow, flat out unbelievable work Scoop Tre. When I first read the post I was shocked, but it isn't really all that unbelievable if that makes sense. This thing has taken off like wildfire. I've been to the DePaul, Michigan, Michigan State Rivals sites, and that is the main topic on all of their MBs. I also checked out the Sparty b'ball board on MLive and there were two separate discussions going on about the scandal. Unreal.

Props to Tre for taking WTF Detroit to the next level. [smilie=not-worthy.: Doc Scoop

First step national, next step....global. What else do you have for us Tre? Any scandals involving any Turkish hoop phenoms?

God fucking damnit. DePaul is so fucking dirty. This is the same way we got the Q Richardson/Bobby Simmons/Lance Williams/Stephen Hunter/Paul McPherson class. I thought we were done with it when shady Pat Kennedy left.

Breaking news: 8 year old Brazilian soccer phenom Pelo de Pela, known by most fans in the Amazon region simplay as "Pe" (ironically pronounced pay), accepts 200,000 pesetas from Spanish club. Pee Wee team suspended from competition and Golden Futbol trophy returned. In his defense, Pe says the family goat drowned and he was only trying to provide for his 12 brothers and sisters. Disgraced in the community, he plans to flee the country and head north where he will give up futbol and train to become a luchador. His promise, "Like the man in Chanchos sweats, will be the best, and I will redeem my family and provide them with a nice salad."

Yeah it has been linked to the UM scout premium board too. Not by me.

Breaking news: 8 year old Brazilian soccer phenom Pelo de Pela, known by most fans in the Amazon region simplay as "Pe" (ironically pronounced pay), accepts 200,000 pesetas from Spanish club. Pee Wee team suspended from competition and Golden Futbol trophy returned. In his defense, Pe says the family goat drowned and he was only trying to provide for his 12 brothers and sisters. Disgraced in the community, he plans to flee the country and head north where he will give up futbol and train to become a luchador. His promise, "Like the man in Chanchos sweats, will be the best, and I will redeem my family and provide them with a nice salad."

Get a pic and a link up on the front page so we can get some Brazili soccer slaps up in here.

But in all seriousness, I absolutely believe Tre's scoop, [smilie=reporter.gi: because I followed Dar's recruitment very close and he seemed like a Michigan State lock from the get go. He came out right away and said "Michigan State is my number one choice." Not a lot of recruits approach the recruiting process that way. Like Tre mentioned, after a while, random schools like Miami, Florida, and Louisville started being named on his list, and MSU was out of the picture. Sure, MSU locked up some other commitments, but it was shocking to see MSU go from #1 to off his list. Then, out of the blue, Dar commits to DePaul, which caused a major WTF response from everyone that I talked to. This looks like smoke to me, and where there's smoke, there's fire.

Tre...I am interested on how you came about this. Valenti was telling me about this a couple of weeks ago...seems like Anthony Roberson pt II

Muhme, I'd like to tell everybody how I came acrossed the information, but I would be breaking trust. I can promise you that it is 100% true and I will reveal more much later.

There is discussion going on about the scandal in the Louisville and Miami message boards (rivals).

Totally understand...I know how that goes...Sometimes you just cant say where you get your stuff from...

Totally understand...I know how that goes...Sometimes you just cant say where you get your stuff from...

Yeah, we are in the same boat right now. It stinks though, because all I would need is a couple of sentences and everybody would say, "Oh, no way! I can't believe it."

How much involvement did Louisville have in this? Inquiring minds want to know.

From what I heard Louisville was a player and looked like the favorite for a while, but then when there was no commitment from Dar they gave away the scholarship he would have taken. As far as what that says for them as a player in the scandal, it looks like they're innocent to me. I think he would have been there if they contributed any type of financial dealings. It seemed as though he was feeling pretty good about them and they're certainly a higher status team with a well known coach that could get Dar more NBA attention. All this is merely speculation on my part, but it seems to add up.

How much involvement did Louisville have in this? Inquiring minds want to know.

I honestly do not know. All I do know is that they came out of nowhere to make the list. Does that mean they are guilty of providing money like some other schools? Not necessarily. But, they were not recruiting him much and were not part of his final list of 5 and then all of a sudden, Louisville was his #1 at one point. That makes people think they joined in on the sweepstakes. But, unlike the rest of the story that is fact, that is just speculation.

From what I heard Louisville was a player and looked like the favorite for a while, but then when there was no commitment from Dar they gave away the scholarship he would have taken. As far as what that says for them as a player in the scandal, it looks like they're innocent to me. I think he would have been there if they contributed any type of financial dealings. It seemed as though he was feeling pretty good about them and they're certainly a higher status team with a well known coach that could get Dar more NBA attention. All this is merely speculation on my part, but it seems to add up.

I'm not as convinced on their innocence. But that is just my opinion. If a school is handing out money to convince players, they are doing it for more than one. Louisville did get a commitment and then bailed on Dar. That might be just because they filled the void they had. Doesn't necessarily mean they weren't offering. Like I said though, that isn't my scoop work. Just my fan opinion this time around.

Dre11,when you say that Louisville became a factor,to what extent were they involved.

Dre11,when you say that Louisville became a factor,to what extent were they involved.

They went from not being on Dar's list to being his top choice at one point. Some believe this is because they joined the bidding war, some believe they had shoe company/aau ties. I can't confirm any of these. I do think it is odd that they went from not on any list to being #1.

I find it very amusing that you feel you are going to cure the ills of college recruiting by releasing this information. Let me state for the record that I am not a fan nor friend of any of the involved parties. But this type of stuff is so big your little "discovery" will only appear as a mosquito bite when compared to the big picture. Once you have so many millions of dollars involved, petty thousands become the norm. Even the Dukies, yes Duke, become involved (although they have very clever ways of hiding it). So go ahead and give yourself another pat on the back, since you feel you deserve it. Your little expose' only has the possibility of hurting one person in this, which happens to be a high school kid whom you self acknowledged has come from a tough home situation. So go ahead and feel very proud of yourself..."and take that Dar Tucker for not coming to MSU and making my school more money".

[smilie=master_emot:

Calm down, Mrs. Tucker, the news would of come out either way. Enjoy your new car.

Calm down, Mrs. Tucker, the news would of come out either way. Enjoy your new car.

[smilie=lmao.gif] Nice. I know if I came across that info, it would be tough to sit on it.

[smilie=lmao.gif] Nice. I know if I came across that info, it would be tough to sit on it.

Plus putting 1 or more dirty programs in position for NCAA investigation, and subsequent punishments would be 'something' if this all went through.

And is Dar getting his schollie taken away? Not gonna happen. So this isn't something I'm sitting on.

"Plus putting 1 or more dirty programs in position for NCAA investigation, and subsequent punishments would be 'something' if this all went through."

Dude this stuff is across the board, "one more dirty program". I guess your spartans should have been punished for the entitlements Jay Rich and Zach Randolph received, huh? And my cousin Vinny (weirdo) I am from the D not Saginaw. Everybody wants to be famous, "I know something you do'nt know". How is it affecting you or your team. You got the better longer term players in Rell and Chris Allen. When will you simps understand college athletics, as it is with politics is big business. As long as it is that way you will have players getting paid and rules being circumvented. By the way, hey Vinny catch this..........[smilie=master_emot: [smilie=rip.gif]

"Plus putting 1 or more dirty programs in position for NCAA investigation, and subsequent punishments would be 'something' if this all went through."

Dude this stuff is across the board, "one more dirty program". I guess your spartans should have been punished for the entitlements Jay Rich and Zach Randolph received, huh? And my cousin Vinny (weirdo) I am from the D not Saginaw. Everybody wants to be famous, "I know something you do'nt know". How is it affecting you or your team. You got the better longer term players in Rell and Chris Allen. When will you simps understand college athletics, as it is with politics is big business. As long as it is that way you will have players getting paid and rules being circumvented. By the way, hey Vinny catch this..........[smilie=master_emot: [smilie=rip.gif]

Damn are you gay.

And has there been anything even close to proof, even strong suggestion, about JRich or Randolph?

Programs getting bust for being crooked = more reluctance to be crooked = better for the game. We'll see if it happens, but to say "Well it happens, so I don't care" is a bullshit attitude. If you're getting robbed, you gonna try and stop it, or are you gonna say "Well shit happens, too bad."

I want Bball to favor the teams that have the best coaches, luck, and recruiters. Not who has the best connections and the most $.

Seems like double-cheese is a tad bitter, and really likes to fap a lot. Wankin one with Rip behind me is something I do my best to avoid.

Uhhh...dude...Of anyone on here, I'm probably the only one who's a DePaul fan so i would be the one MOST upset by this but the fact is it happened. Nothing you say is going to change that. Get over it. Why are you getting so worked up?

Hey Vinny:
You aren't the ONLY Depaul fan on here. Man, I love DePaul! I'm their #1 fan in all of Nebraska! That said, when will Ray Meyer FINALLY get that NCAA championship? I think he's a fantastic coach and can't wait for the day he "wins it all".

It really doesn't matter. F**kin' Kirk Barton can puff on a $125 cigar and sip $100 champagne in front of a respected ESPN journalist (Pat Forde), and Forde sloghs it off as "well, he probably saved his money for them" (see his email response in the Kirk Barton thread).

Yes, he comes from a poor town, a self-proclaimed "hick", is a first stringer on the #1 football team in the country (which = tons of practice and film sessions), not to mention the cost college life, regardless of scholarship, and dude still has over $225 to blow. Granted it IS the "big game", but that much cash is a big deal to one sophmore athlete who has very little time to work enough hours outside of school to afford that kind of shit.

Does Forde even think TWICE about it? Nope. Probably a couple of OSU alumni riding the executive chairs up at the top of the ESPN food chain.

I find it very amusing that you feel you are going to cure the ills of college recruiting by releasing this information. Let me state for the record that I am not a fan nor friend of any of the involved parties. But this type of stuff is so big your little "discovery" will only appear as a mosquito bite when compared to the big picture. Once you have so many millions of dollars involved, petty thousands become the norm. Even the Dukies, yes Duke, become involved (although they have very clever ways of hiding it). So go ahead and give yourself another pat on the back, since you feel you deserve it. Your little expose' only has the possibility of hurting one person in this, which happens to be a high school kid whom you self acknowledged has come from a tough home situation. So go ahead and feel very proud of yourself..."and take that Dar Tucker for not coming to MSU and making my school more money".

[smilie=master_emot:

What the hell is this guy talking about? Okay, first of all, I never said I was going to cure the ills of college basketball. I never hyped myself or my info as being world changing material. All I did was post a story that I thought would interest people here on WTF. What do ya know....over 17,000 people were interested. Like I said, this story is going to be revealed by The Saginaw News. What does it matter if I break the story? It would have been here anyway. Apparantly you have some sort of ties to Tucker, Depaul, or Miami because that is the only way somebody would get this riled up over my story.

But I do want to say one thing. If I find out about someone corrupting my favorite sport in the world, I'm going to break the story everytime. I hate people that try to ruin such a great sport. If my story gets people talking about a scandal and that leads to further action, than I will be proud. Anyone that gets mad about it, is most likely involved with it.

I'm wondering what connection micky has with this situation. It would be interesting to find out.

Ok, I'm as big a Spartan hater as the next guy, but you do not come into a thread like this and just say that J-Rich and Randolph got benefits. If you believe they did and have some proof, post it and back it up. If you're making crap up for the sake of trying to make yourself look good, you won't last a second in this forum. We tend to bash people that post ignorant false info (even though that's half the active forum memebers at one time or another).

Ok, I'm as big a Spartan hater as the next guy, but you do not come into a thread like this and just say that J-Rich and Randolph got benefits. If you believe they did and have some proof, post it and back it up. If you're making crap up for the sake of trying to make yourself look good, you won't last a second in this forum. We tend to bash people that post ignorant false info (even though that's half the active forum memebers at one time or another).

Good lookin out Jethro. One thing that is great about this discussion we are having is that we have each other's back. It's kindof like the brother-sister scenario. You rip each other to no end, but the second some outsider tries to rip your brother or sister...it's not gonna fly.

I like the fact that we are coming together here to stand by the validity of our info. This is the first time tons of outsiders from different states have been here and we definately backed our information. Just wait until the story breaks open and we can say WTF was the first to leak it.

If I find out about someone corrupting my favorite sport in the world

Someone try 90% of the AAU coaches who are nothing more than agents. The world of college basketball is sleazy with a capital S. I am not saying that there are not programs that do things the right way, but a lot and I mean a lot of programs are cheating or skirting the whole black/white thing with the gray area in between (when I say black/white I am not talking skin color, so please lay off that I am talking anything racist at all).

I applaud you for the outing, but someone really needs to bring down the whole AAU con that is going on. These coaches do not have the kids best interest at heart, but they sure have their own.

Someone try 90% of the AAU coaches who are nothing more than agents. The world of college basketball is sleazy with a capital S. I am not saying that there are not programs that do things the right way, but a lot and I mean a lot of programs are cheating or skirting the whole black/white thing with the gray area in between (when I say black/white I am not talking skin color, so please lay off that I am talking anything racist at all).

I applaud you for the outing, but someone really needs to bring down the whole AAU con that is going on. These coaches do not have the kids best interest at heart, but they sure have their own.

AAU slowly ruins high school basketball, the high coaches who actually know what they are talking about, and the future of many recruits.

You get these wannabees who know very little about the sport trying to "coach" and line their pockets. It's sickening.

Tre it not only is ruining high school basketball, but it is ruining the sport that you love in college BBall. It is almost impossible to run a clean program anymore.

If the Martin thing happened today instead of 10-15 years ago; it would have hardly been a problem, as cash getting handed out is the norm rather than the exception.

Coaches like Donovan, Calipari, Pitino....they are sleaze bags in the coaching industry and that is just to name a few.

Tre it not only is ruining high school basketball, but it is ruining the sport that you love in college BBall. It is almost impossible to run a clean program anymore.

If the Martin thing happened today instead of 10-15 years ago; it would have hardly been a problem, as cash getting handed out is the norm rather than the exception.

Coaches like Donovan, Calipari, Pitino....they are sleaze bags in the coaching industry and that is just to name a few.

I don't disagree that some of those coaches are sleeze bags, however I think people have more of a negative view of the way things are than what is really reality. I don't think it's EVERYWHERE like some people claim. Generally they make statements like that, but don't have examples to back it up. I think we paint a darker picture than what we have, but I agree AAU is a problem.

I did forget to mention one of the worse is Sampson from IU.

The problem is much larger in the inner cities than rural communities, but the problem looms. AAU coaches are just horrible for the game.

I am not saying every NCAA coach is crooked, but I am saying most AAU coaches are.

BTW isnt it funny how OSU gets caught with the coach paying the players and they got less of a punishment than a booster (not even that) gives money to players. Which one can the school control more? OSU since getting in trouble only has had some of the best recruiting classes in the last 10 years. I am not saying Matta is dirty, but it has already been proved that the AD looks the other way for the football program. Shrug...time to move on.

It's not the coaches. It's the system.

These days, there is so much money to be had, so much pressure from both the boosters and the admins of these schools, so much pressure from the media outlets and institutions such as Nike, that it is VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE to run a squeaky clean programs and still hold your job.

It's like politics -- in a perfect world, every politician is a statesman first. In an imperfect world, they're a salesman first, and their product is "them".

Make the product look good, and people will want it. Nevermind the moralities of what you do or don't do -- the paramount concern of every major college coach is to keep his job, and the most direct influence pushing that mindset comes from within the administration of the school.

And when one coach is pushing the right buttons to lure an area recruit, why in the world wouldn't an opposing coach not counter? That one player might mean the difference between a Sweet 16 team and lots of tournament money and heavy exposure, and an NIT also-ran with dashed expectations.

It is the AAU coaches first and foremost and street agents who steer these kids to schools.

I would take Amaker, Izzo, R. Willaims and Coach K's integrity of doing things correct over Sampson, Pitino, Donovan.

Sure the system is screwed up, but how often do you hear coaches calling things out. I think that is the only real problem I have with the Izzo's and Coach K's of the world is that they dont make a bigger stink about how much it sucks, but then again as you said it is the system and those schools would start getting less kids coming there way. Their AAU coaches wouldnt want them going there.

It is a big mess and it is going to implode one day and I for one cannot wait for it to happen so that things can start over.

I hardly watch the product any more, but it is better than the NBA, so when I need a fix of BBall and I dont get the Pistons out here in KY, I settle on some college BBall.

It is the AAU coaches first and foremost and street agents who steer these kids to schools.

I would take Amaker, Izzo, R. Willaims and Coach K's integrity of doing things correct over Sampson, Pitino, Donovan.

Sure the system is screwed up, but how often do you hear coaches calling things out. I think that is the only real problem I have with the Izzo's and Coach K's of the world is that they dont make a bigger stink about how much it sucks, but then again as you said it is the system and those schools would start getting less kids coming there way. Their AAU coaches wouldnt want them going there.

It is a big mess and it is going to implode one day and I for one cannot wait for it to happen so that things can start over.

I hardly watch the product any more, but it is better than the NBA, so when I need a fix of BBall and I dont get the Pistons out here in KY, I settle on some college BBall.

What makes you claim that Sampson is dirty? I'm not saying he's not, but I always respected the guy.

BTW, check it out: OVER 18,000 VIEWS. #1 WTF Thread of All Time Pretty cool that our discussions have brought in that many people. This will hit 20,000 if The Saginaw News prints a story.

Oh boy! A few message boards are claiming that there is something about this story in the Detroit Free Press! Anybody have links or info on this? I thought the Saginaw News was going to drop it, is the Free Press on the story?!

Okay, I got more information on this situation yesterday. Apparantly, Greg McMath has been accepting free sets of shoes for his players from a shoe company. This shoe company has negotiated a deal with McMath stating that if McMath got Tucker to visit certain schools over the course of the last two years, the shoes would keep coming.

From the information that I've gotten, Depaul is looking more and more shady with not only the Tucker deal but other recruits.

Any word on whether or not former Sparty basketball player Jamie "Shoes" Huffman is behind this scandal?

I'm back everybody and I've got new information. I will merge this with the other Dar Tucker thread, but I wanted everyone to see this and know this is new major news.

I've been working on the story and I got ahold of even bigger information this time around. As you know, it was believed that a possible bidding war for Saginaw Arthur Hill 5-Star Recruit Dar Tucker happened this offseason. The only school that was undeniably involved was Miami University which reportedly paid $2,000 to Arthur Hill coach Greg McMath for a Dar Tucker visit.

Well, a bidding war did happen. I have multiple sources now. As many of you know, Depaul University came out of nowhere in the recruitment of Tucker. For months, Tucker didn't even mention them as a possibility. Well, Depaul University changed that. Depaul paid Dar Tucker's mother a large sum of money in exchange for a commitment. We aren't talking $2,000 dollars here. We are talking LARGE sum of money. No, I don't have the exact figure. But, it was hinted that it was a major amount.

One undisclosed source had this to say, "I doubt any newspaper will break the story on McMath. It's just too big. It's bigger than the amount of money McMath received from Miami, the shoes, or the AAU dealings. This is about the amount Depaul paid Tucker's mother. They are covering their tracks."

One former Arthur Hill assistant basketball coach had this to say, "I want to be a head coach someday. This is a bad situation and I didn't want any part of it. This stuff will all come out and when it does, I don't want to be tied to it in any way."

The belief is out there now that the NCAA may have been contacted. An investigation might be on the horizon. Many believe Depaul has also paid other recruits. Chandler out of Benton Harbor, Michigan has been mentioned. Who knows just how deep this rabbit hole goes.

If you are navigating through the Dar Tucker scandal, this is the first installment. Head to NEW DrTre Exclusive for updates. These will merge soon.

I'll merge in 24 hours.

sweet deal DrTre

thanks man

Can you provide any of the multiple sources yet? Especially now that you say they might not go after McMath?

I'm glad The Izzo told Tucker no thanks.

Can you provide any of the multiple sources yet? Especially now that you say they might not go after McMath?

No, its one of those things where if you break trust, you'll never get info again. The NCAA can't go after McMath. He's not in the NCAA. McMath is as shady and involved as they come though. Keep in mind the fact that he took thousands and shoes.

This is so awesome.

I wonder how the WTF logo would look on SportsCenter when they cite the boards as breaking the story. :wink:

This is so awesome.

I wonder how the WTF logo would look on SportsCenter when they cite the boards as breaking the story. :wink:

haha It would be amazing to see this story break open after the discussion that has carried on here long before.

I think if the site wasnt mentioned, that you guys should sue. Seriously.

I think if the site wasnt mentioned, that you guys should sue. Seriously.

Damnit, where's Taymelo when you need him!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Damnit, where's Taymelo when you need him!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I'm in! I want a serious chunk of the change.

Just to let everyone know, I merged the two threads. So if you are looking for the updated material I posted, just look above.

Over 20,000 views and counting. Unbelievable. That is an unbelievable amount of people to show interest in this story when you really think about the number. It'll be interesting to see how it finishes.

I bet the number could double if the story breaks in the media.

Oh baby boy! I got ahold of the biggest piece of insider information I've ever come acrossed in my life. Before I begin, let me tell you this isn't chat room rumor. You can go to scout, rivals, mlive, anything you can think of and I guarantee you won't read this there (YET). In addition, I can also guarantee that this info is absolutely 100% true. I can't give away the source, but I'll tell you it will all come out in time. I'd put my life savings on it. So here it is...

Dar Tucker called up coach Izzo last year and informed him that he made his college choice. Tucker accepted Izzo's scholarship offer and wanted to be a Spartan. He let Izzo know that he wanted to set up a press conference and make the announcement public shortly, they'd have to work out schedules.

In the meantime, several schools and shoe companies threw their hat into the situation. Arthur Hill Head Coach Greg McMath helped make sure they became a factor. McMath let it be known that he wasn't against monetary convincing when it came to his player Tucker. He started letting some schools know that he felt he could pursuade Tucker if given the right incentive. McMath first accepted $2,000 from the University of Miami to help convince Tucker to go there. For those of you following the situation, you might have noticed that out of nowhere Tucker added Miami to his list. McMath proceeded to initiate other dealings with multiple schools trying to create a bidding war. Florida is rumored to be one of them, however a specific cash amount was not confirmed. Dar's AAU coach heard a few rumblings about money getting involved. His AAU coach began accepting money not only from some schools, but also from several shoe companies and began passing part of it on to McMath in attempt to pursuade him to convince Dar to switch from MSU to another school. DePaul became a factor and so did Louisville. McMath hinted to MSU's coaches that some incentive might be needed to keep Dar a Spartan commitment. MSU would not have anything to do with it.

All of Arthur Hill's assistant coaches started to find out what was going on. They were not happy and did not agree with what McMath was doing. They voiced their opinion and things broke down. Every single Arthur Hill assistant coach quit. Queston the validity? Check Arthur Hill's bench for those of you that are familiar with the program. See any assistants from last year? Assistant coaches on defending Class A State Championship teams that return everybody tend to stick around.

The Saginaw News is currently working on breaking the story wide open. They don't have enough concrete proof yet, but stay tuned. This will become public, I'm almost sure of it. I thought this would interest all MSU and UM fans here since we've all followed the recruitment of Tucker. Sucks how corrupt things have become. It also sucks that MSU would have had another player in the mold of Raymar Morgan.

Jethro, keep this one on the DL homie. I don't need my name attached to it if it starts getting around the Hill.

Do you have any stories about guys that committed to MSU, then chagned their minds, that aren't bad? First this, then Keith Nichol. You're an ass. Grow up, not everyone wants to be a Spartan, and if they don't that doesn't mean their getting paid off, or have bad character etc. Loser

Do you have any stories about guys that committed to MSU, then chagned their minds, that aren't bad? First this, then Keith Nichol. You're an ass. Grow up, not everyone wants to be a Spartan, and if they don't that doesn't mean their getting paid off, or have bad character etc. Loser

21,000 views. This story is all over Saginaw and it is all over national message boards, thank you very much. Do some homework before you start posting garbage.

21,000 views. This story is all over Saginaw and it is all over national message boards, thank you very much. Do some homework before you start posting garbage.


Again, ass hole, you didn't answer my questions'

1)Do you have any stories about guys that committed to MSU, then chagned their minds, that aren't bad?

2) Why didn't you or why haven't you, asked your source how Keith Nichol, hurt his arm? You've had more than enough opportunity since I 1st asked this question. To date you have refused to address this issue. You're a fraude.

Listen, No Neck:
Now you are on the Dar Tucker thread?
This kind of story is old news. Shoes and money for basketball committments is as old as bible belt preachers pretending to heal Grandma of her "roomatiz" for just another 50 bucks.
The main thing is that Michigan State opted out, and that this kid, a prima donna, ends up at DePaul.
How DO these basketball coaches do it? How DOES Syracuse get Carmelo Anthony for one year and win a championship?
How DOES Oklahoma get Stacey King, Mookie Blaylock, and Horace Grant..AND BLOW A CHAMPIONSHIP?! For chrissakes, who ELSE did Billy Tubbs need on that team? Meadowlark Lemon?

But Diddy is too much trouble.

Fool, we get the point, move on.

Again, ass hole, you didn't answer my questions'

1)Do you have any stories about guys that committed to MSU, then chagned their minds, that aren't bad?

2) Why didn't you or why haven't you, asked your source how Keith Nichol, hurt his arm? You've had more than enough opportunity since I 1st asked this question. To date you have refused to address this issue. You're a fraude.

Actually my best story ever is about JRich and his recruitment. Since you are a moron, I guess I'll have to explain that JRich went to MSU, was on their National Championship team, All Big Ten Soph.

If you dig deep enough on this site, you can probably find it. It's a good one.

As for the nichol question, it belongs there, but I don't know why i didn't ask him. Even told Moodini that. I guess I was so excited about the story I just kept my mouth shut and listened to anything he would give me.

Now that I've answered your questions, FUCK OFF.

Fool, we get the point, move on.

Why should I?

Because nobody wants to hear you lament over and over again in countless threads about how much you wish your life partner was still allowed on this site.
Everyone hates the two newest idiots to this forum, but have they committed any banable offense? Personally I don't have banning power that I know of. You have an issue, send a PM to the Syndicate. Find proof that these two morons have done every bit what diddy had done and beyond and I'll thank you. It won't bring diddy back, but it will get rid of all the ignored posts taking up my screen space.

MOD POWER!

As for the nichol question, it belongs there, but I don't know why i didn't ask him. Even told Moodini that. I guess I was so excited about the story I just kept my mouth shut and listened to anything he would give me.

Now that I've answered your questions, FUCK OFF.

Okay, I know this is really hard for you, why, as of today, have you not asked your source how Nichol was injured? We all understand why you didn't ask a week ago when you were given this news (yea right). So, for the 10,000th time, why have you not contacted your source since that time and asked him? Please answer THAT question.

It is a good question and I would guess that alot of people would want to know how it happened.

The truth of the matter is this, you CAN'T answer that question, because you made this shit up in order to make Nichol look bad. Your statements about him decommiting and how you don't give a DAMN about what he wants, speaks volumes.

You wanted to have his baby when he was an MSU commit, but as soon as he changed his mind, you dumped all over him and fabricated this bull shit story. You're probably one of the MSU fans that have been sending him hate mail. Grow up sister.

cccsdad:

you can stop holding your breath until you turn blue (As in you are a latent Michigan fan turning BLUE).
Dr Tre has gone as far and answered as much as he is comfortable with, and able to, and you asking 100 million times lends no further credence to your question of doubt.
Now lemme ax you this: When did he EVER state that it was categorically true, that it was beyond doubt, other than to pass along information he came up with?
Stop already, and move on to another topic, like when Oklahoma is going on probation for the next time, or how about Kelvin Sampson leaving the basketball program facing probation as well?

Okay, I know this is really hard for you, why, as of today, have you not asked your source how Nichol was injured? We all understand why you didn't ask a week ago when you were given this news (yea right). So, for the 10,000th time, why have you not contacted your source since that time and asked him? Please answer THAT question.

It is a good question and I would guess that alot of people would want to know how it happened.

The truth of the matter is this, you CAN'T answer that question, because you made this shit up in order to make Nichol look bad. Your statements about him decommiting and how you don't give a DAMN about what he wants, speaks volumes.

You wanted to have his baby when he was an MSU commit, but as soon as he changed his mind, you dumped all over him and fabricated this bull shit story. You're probably one of the MSU fans that have been sending him hate mail. Grow up sister.

What good would it do to answer your question? It's not like you are suddenly going to start believing him.

We all get it, you think he made it up.

Quit polluting other threads with your giant swollen neck stench.

Stay on topic, be funny or don't post.

Three options.

I answered your damn question moron. I told you I sat quietly and listened to the story when I was given the info. Should I have asked questions? Probably, but I didn't. I was at a Christmas party, not a media day.

I didn't contact him because he probably would think I'm obsessed and a little whacked out. I see my source twice a year and if I was to call him over a quiet convo we had, he probably would think I was a little psycho like somebody else here.

If I cared that much, yes, I'd call him. But, I don't. I thought it was an interesting piece of info that those here on WTF would enjoy and it ends there. My life doesn't revolve around 17 yr olds like yours apparantly does.

With that said, take Glenn's advice. Or sit on your thumb, I don't care which.

I answered your damn question moron. I told you I sat quietly and listened to the story when I was given the info. Should I have asked questions? Probably, but I didn't. I was at a Christmas party, not a media day.

I didn't contact him because he probably would think I'm obsessed and a little whacked out. I see my source twice a year and if I was to call him over a quiet convo we had, he probably would think I was a little psycho like somebody else here.

If I cared that much, yes, I'd call him. But, I don't. I thought it was an interesting piece of info that those here on WTF would enjoy and it ends there. My life doesn't revolve around 17 yr olds like yours apparantly does.

With that said, take Glenn's advice. Or sit on your thumb, I don't care which.


Well you cared enough to wet your pants and run right to this board and post this information. That is an obvious question, and your REFUSAL to ask it, speaks volumes. You are bitter that Nichole dumped on MShitU, and you are now trying to make him look bad. If this is true, it's a huge story, and no one would think you were obsessed if you asked how he was injured.

Also, tell all your little bitch friends, you are a big boy and they don't need them to sprint to your defense everytime someone challenges you.

I tell you what, you call your source, you ask the question, and post the response and I'll go away. Deal?

Well you cared enough to wet your pants and run right to this board and post this information. That is an obvious question, and your REFUSAL to ask it, speaks volumes. You are bitter that Nichole dumped on MShitU, and you are now trying to make him look bad. If this is true, it's a huge story, and no one would think you were obsessed if you asked how he was injured.

Also, tell all your little bitch friends, you are a big boy and they don't need them to sprint to your defense everytime someone challenges you.

I tell you what, you call your source, you ask the question, and post the response and I'll go away. Deal?

Pathetic.

Pathetic.


I guess I can assume that you wont be asking your source this question. I do find it odd, you went into tremendous detail regarding the Dar Tucker story, yet you are very, very, very vague when it comes to this Nichol story.

I would have been willing to give you the benefit of the dougbt, but your total unwillingness to provide any type of specific information, combined with the fact that it's been over a week since you broke this rumor, and nothing else has come out, plus the negatvie comments you have made about Keith being dishonest and not honoring his commitment to MSU, leads to no other conclusion. You concocted this story out of spite.

My apology stands to all on this board, but you.

Because nobody wants to hear you lament over and over again in countless threads about how much you wish your life partner was still allowed on this site.
Everyone hates the two newest idiots to this forum, but have they committed any banable offense? Personally I don't have banning power that I know of. You have an issue, send a PM to the Syndicate. Find proof that these two morons have done every bit what diddy had done and beyond and I'll thank you. It won't bring diddy back, but it will get rid of all the ignored posts taking up my screen space.
Please, like you need a reason to go all Waco with your mod powers. As for me dropping the Diddy thing, get these fucktards to get a life and I'll probably lose interest in it. Of course, you could always ban me and knowing how you handle your biznazz you probably will for a couple days.

I guess I can assume that you wont be asking your source this question. I do find it odd, you went into tremendous detail regarding the Dar Tucker story, yet you are very, very, very vague when it comes to this Nichol story.

I would have been willing to give you the benefit of the dougbt, but your total unwillingness to provide any type of specific information, combined with the fact that it's been over a week since you broke this rumor, and nothing else has come out, plus the negatvie comments you have made about Keith being dishonest and not honoring his commitment to MSU, leads to no other conclusion. You concocted this story out of spite.

My apology stands to all on this board, but you.

I'll respond in the Nichol thread where this belongs since you continue to pollute a great thread with your garbage.

Please come out of the shadows.

First JickBoy that is a world class Avatar. Masterful..........I'm wondering about all this Tucker drama. I've never seen him play but what I'm able to sort out from reading snippets on him is that MSU probably got the better fit with Durrel Summers. That said now Tucker is off to "Trick or Treat" DePaul. I wonder if the NCAA is going to shine a light on that cozy little "D-1 stop?"

According to Depaul fans it is completely logical that Mr. Basketball (Michigan) Chandler and All American Dar Tucker would leave the state to play at DEPAUL! haha

As logical, Dr Tre, as MSU lifer Keith Nichol decommiting to MSU AFTER they hire what appears to be a very good coach. Yes, all of us who grow up in Michigan have two thoughts only:
Shall I go to a Michigan school, or......OKLAHOMA?!

BUMP...............anyone wanna argue about this for fun?

Bump.............whats the latest update here Tre?

Awww man...I got some great stuff on this Filly. However, we talked about the whole integrity/morally right thing before and this definately falls under that topic. I can't post any of the additional stuff I got on this later in the year, but I did share some with Moodini/Jethro/etc. in person. You ask me in person and we'll get caught up on this one. However, I can't post some of this for everyone to see and after we talk you'll understand why.

I've got a real good update: stay tuned.

OK!

If you're trying to figure out what you can or cannot say, at least PM me with the story so I don't have to wait too long. I'm not as patient as Zip.

So Tucker is indeed trying to get out of his LOI. He contacted Depaul about this. Depaul was considering letting him out after he shared the fact that he does not want to be there. McMath contacted several interested schools. Izzo told them that he doesn't want anything to do with the situation and the Hurricanes. According to one AH assistant, the Hurricanes are now struggling to get future players to play because most big time coaches know they are shady and they don't want anything to do with it.

John Caliparri (sp?) with Memphis and Indiana both told Dar they'd save a scholarship for him. BUT, Dar's AAU coach asked him what he'd do if they didn't let him out of his schollie. Dar made the mistake of telling him he'd have to go to Depaul then. So the Hurricanes coach called up Depaul who he received money from and said, Don't let him out because he's still coming if you don't let him out of his LOI. They've been having teleconferences trying to work out the situation. Depaul won't let him out now. So McMath, Dar and Caliparri are sitting in on an appeal meeting with the NCAA this week in hopes of getting him out of his LOI so he can go elsewhere. I hope for his sake they let him out, but I doubt it.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/recap?gid=200801120534




NEW YORK (AP) -- Dar Tucker scored seven of his 16 points in a 16-0 second-half run, leading DePaul to a 60-54 victory over St. John's on Saturday.
Mac Koshwal and Draelon Burns both had 10 points for the Blue Demons (7-8, 3-1 Big East), who had won four straight until this week's loss to No. 7 Georgetown. Wesley Green had 12 rebounds to lead DePaul, which was outrebounded 39-31.
Justin Burrell had 18 points for the Red Storm (7-8, 1-3), who have lost two straight and four of five.
Burrell connected on two jumpers as the Red Storm scored the first six points of the second half for their biggest lead of the game, 30-21 with 16:29 to go.
DePaul then sandwiched runs of 14-4 and 16-0 around a 7-0 spurt by the Red Storm.
Burns' three-point play capped DePaul's first run that made it 35-34 with 12:25 to go.
Larry Wright's 3-pointer started St. John's burst that gave it the lead and Burrell finished it with a jumper with 9:21 left that made 41-35.
Tucker's 3-pointer with 7:24 left gave the Blue Demons the lead for good at 42-41, and he completed the crushing 16-0 run with a layup with 4:43 left as DePaul went ahead 51-41. The closest St. John's would get was 58-54 on two free throws by Malik Boothe with 10 seconds to go.

Hey Tre, just noticed your avi. Great move. Glad to have you aboard! :)

Looks like a glen move

Did you also notice he hasn't posted in over a month?
His last post in THIS thread was from July. Vin just resurrected it.

Yea, I was just giving him some stuff. white text alert

Looks like a glen move

Not me.

I'm not aware of this at all.

I remember you saying something about a bukdow under his name...thought that was you anyway, so I thought the UofM thing might be you. Just a guess.

Adios Dar Tucker (http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/1802)

Lindsey Willhite of the Daily Herald:

In a decision that seemed preordained almost from the moment he committed to DePaul, sophomore guard Dar Tucker (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dar-Tucker-5110/) announced Tuesday that he'll enter the 2009 NBA draft.

He'll also sign with an agent, presumably Chris Grier (who's also Wilson Chandler (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Wilson-Chandler-505/)'s agent), which will prohibit a return for the final two years of his eligibility.

Here's Tucker's statement from DePaul's press release:

“After careful consideration, I have decided to enter my name in the 2009 NBA Draft,” said Tucker. “This decision did not come easy for me because of my feelings for DePaul University. Coach Wainwright, my family and I have talked about my future and together we all decided this was the best decision for me at this time based upon personal circumstances.”

DePaul’s athletic department also indicates (http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=15600&ATCLID=3719747) that Tucker “will not return to the men’s basketball program for the 2009-10 season and has indicated that he will hire an agent.”

Adios Dar Tucker (http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/1802)

Lindsey Willhite of the Daily Herald:

In a decision that seemed preordained almost from the moment he committed to DePaul, sophomore guard Dar Tucker (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Dar-Tucker-5110/) announced Tuesday that he'll enter the 2009 NBA draft.

He'll also sign with an agent, presumably Chris Grier (who's also Wilson Chandler (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Wilson-Chandler-505/)'s agent), which will prohibit a return for the final two years of his eligibility.

Here's Tucker's statement from DePaul's press release:

“After careful consideration, I have decided to enter my name in the 2009 NBA Draft,” said Tucker. “This decision did not come easy for me because of my feelings for DePaul University. Coach Wainwright, my family and I have talked about my future and together we all decided this was the best decision for me at this time based upon personal circumstances.”

DePaul’s athletic department also indicates (http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=15600&ATCLID=3719747) that Tucker “will not return to the men’s basketball program for the 2009-10 season and has indicated that he will hire an agent.”

http://www.intriguing.com/mp/_pictures/grail/large/HolyGrail027.jpg

Title fixed.

lol

My sources tell me he's been traded from the Idaho Stampede today with a second round draft pick to the Los Angeles D-Fenders for Anthony Tolliver.

lol

Agreed!