View Full Version : MSU to hire Cincy's Mark Dantonio as head football coach
Baker 11-17-2006, 11:56 AM Michigan State is reportedly ready to announce their new head coach on Monday. Here is info on the hire.
"Grantham is the recommended choice of former MSU and current Miami Dolphins head coach Nick Saban who remains close with MSU basketball coach Tom Izzo. It is believed that Izzo asked Saban who would be the right person for the job.
If the report is true, it shows how much Grantham loves Michigan State. He is one of the NFL's hot coordinators and would like be under consideration for any NFL vacancies that might arise this offseason.
Grantham has reportedly also been interviewing NFL and collegiate coaches around the league to begin building a staff. If he gets the job, he is expected to ask defensive backs coach Mel Tucker to join him as his defensive coordinator, but Tucker could also be a candidate for Grantham's job in Cleveland.
There is some thought that he might keep offensive coordinator Dave Baldwin in place to retain recruiting continuity. High profile commit Keith Nichol of Lowell is believed to have some loyalties to Baldwin.
Grantham, the former MSU defensive line coach and assistant head coach to Saban in the late 90's, would be an inspired and solid move by MSU administration. He would build a strong, defensive minded, disciplined team.
His NFL connection is likely to pay dividends in the recruiting wars as well."
Glenn 11-17-2006, 12:14 PM Great timing on the hire.
SpartyNick 11-17-2006, 03:14 PM At this point I'm skeptical of anything I hear regarding this coaching search.
If it is Grantham then that's fine, solid hire. However, if he keeps Baldwin, as was rumored in that scout article, I'll be pissed.
Jethro34 11-17-2006, 04:05 PM Great timing on the hire.
Sarcasm?
If so, I agree. I'm sorry. I know that piece of shit program needs to do what they need to do and their calendar is the only one they care about, but when one of the greatest coaches to ever coach in this state dies, you fucking wait on this news.
I hope Michigan kicks their ass on his watch too.
Baker 11-18-2006, 01:38 PM Sarcasm?
If so, I agree. I'm sorry. I know that piece of shit program needs to do what they need to do and their calendar is the only one they care about, but when one of the greatest coaches to ever coach in this state dies, you fucking wait on this news.
I hope Michigan kicks their ass on his watch too.
Once again, do some homework before you post. MSU did not make a single announcement yesterday. It is a report that Scout.com provided that states that MSU "might" announce on Monday.
That's 3 days after the Bo news, get a grip.
Jethro34 11-18-2006, 02:19 PM Then why the fuck did you post it that day?
And why the fuck should I do homework on State's next coach?
You're the Spartan, you're the one that posted it. I tend to trust your announcements and apparently it was just YOUR timing that's horrible.
Not a personal attack, but not your best work.
Baker 11-18-2006, 02:54 PM Then why the fuck did you post it that day?
And why the fuck should I do homework on State's next coach?
You're the Spartan, you're the one that posted it. I tend to trust your announcements and apparently it was just YOUR timing that's horrible.
Not a personal attack, but not your best work.
I posted it yesterday because that is when I found the article! Why is my timing horrible? First of all, I posted it before Bo passed away. Second of all, even if I had heard the Bo news, I still would have posted it. I'm sure it is major news for many including you. I feel for the family and those affected, however I'm not going not post Spartan news because someone that I didn't like passed away. I don't feel the need to not post in honor of somebody here on the NCAA forum which consists of about 10 regulars.
detroitsportscity 11-18-2006, 11:46 PM Sarcasm?
If so, I agree. I'm sorry. I know that piece of shit program needs to do what they need to do and their calendar is the only one they care about, but when one of the greatest coaches to ever coach in this state dies, you fucking wait on this news.
I hope Michigan kicks their ass on his watch too.
You are retarded.
This was posted before the Bo News. So he was supposed to be psychic, and say: "Bo S. will die in 10 minutes, better not post this."
Also, Scout posted this, not MSU. So scout needs to stop everything (magically before no less) when a major coach dies.
Also this was over a 'maybe' and a Monday.
And just because someone dies, does the world stop? No, was there not congress after some previous president died? No, life goes on.
Bo was one of the best coaches ever. At the same time he is overrated as all hell, he won 0 championships. That isn't the polite thing to say, but is true. He was still a GREAT coach nonetheless.
I hate Bo. He was a major part of MSU being put on probation(and their subsequent 40 years of suckitude). He was a jerk. He would be a hypocrit or lie. At the same time he was a loving person to those that were part of his family, and changed hundreds of peoples lives in a VERY positive way. If I was a coach, I would probably imitate many of his parts, more of the 'Bear' personally, but Bo would be up there. I respect him about as much as you can. I still hate him though.
This post is insensitive, and rude, frankly because of my own feelings, and their complete opppositeness to yours.
Baker 11-18-2006, 11:55 PM You are retarded.
This was posted before the Bo News. So he was supposed to be psychic, and say: "Bo S. will die in 10 minutes, better not post this."
Also, Scout posted this, not MSU. So scout needs to stop everything (magically before no less) when a major coach dies.
Also this was over a 'maybe' and a Monday.
And just because someone dies, does the world stop? No, was there not congress after some previous president died? No, life goes on.
Bo was one of the best coaches ever. At the same time he is overrated as all hell, he won 0 championships. That isn't the polite thing to say, but is true. He was still a GREAT coach nonetheless.
I hate Bo. He was a major part of MSU being put on probation(and their subsequent 40 years of suckitude). He was a jerk. He would be a hypocrit or lie. At the same time he was a loving person to those that were part of his family, and changed hundreds of peoples lives in a VERY positive way. If I was a coach, I would probably imitate many of his parts, more of the 'Bear' personally, but Bo would be up there. I respect him about as much as you can. I still hate him though.
This post is insensitive, and rude, frankly because of my own feelings, and their complete opppositeness to yours.
You are totally right and I share all of your feelings. Bo was an asshole on many occations and I couldn't stand the guy. Didn't share those out of respect yesterday but its the truth. He was the center of UM arrogance that begun when he coached there. So pardon me if I could care less and posted info prior to the bad news.
Baker 11-18-2006, 11:57 PM At this point I'm skeptical of anything I hear regarding this coaching search.
If it is Grantham then that's fine, solid hire. However, if he keeps Baldwin, as was rumored in that scout article, I'll be pissed.
Back on topic. I'm assuming you would hate having Baldwin because of his play calling at times. Keep in mind that the head coach can have a major influence on what Baldwin calls and override him if he does not want something called. Keeping Baldwin would simply be a recruiting tool. We MUST keep Nichol and the rest of this good class. We don't want to start out from behind like JLS did with recruiting.
detroitsportscity 11-19-2006, 12:13 AM Back on topic. I'm assuming you would hate having Baldwin because of his play calling at times. Keep in mind that the head coach can have a major influence on what Baldwin calls and override him if he does not want something called. Keeping Baldwin would simply be a recruiting tool. We MUST keep Nichol and the rest of this good class. We don't want to start out from behind like JLS did with recruiting.
I don't want Baldwin to stay ASSUMING we can get a solid alternative.
Nichol stays unless we hire a coach that runs a stupid offense. Pellini would likely bring a Oklahoma style spread(he said he would want that type O as his, as it is the hardest to stop in his opinion). Grantham, I have no idea.
Grantham and Pellini are both rumored to be being announced monday, or be the final 2 according to many people.
Baker 11-19-2006, 12:36 PM It'll be interesting to see if scout.com's report is correct. They also posted an article a year ago that said Joe Crawford was transferring to MSU. If they are wrong on this one again, I'll lose all confidence in that website.
Jethro34 11-19-2006, 12:44 PM lol at all this Spartan bullshit
Yeah, you're going to blast me. Go right on ahead and do it.
Meanwhile, you put an exclamation point on something that you later said was one websites speculation and not the school at all.
Then another one blames Bo for YOUR probation. Of course. And Jud is the reason why Chris Webber got paid. Whatever. You're not even an ounce better than the dickheads you claim UM fans are. You wrestle with pigs, you end up just as muddy.
Baker 11-19-2006, 01:39 PM lol at all this Spartan bullshit
Yeah, you're going to blast me. Go right on ahead and do it.
Meanwhile, you put an exclamation point on something that you later said was one websites speculation and not the school at all.
Then another one blames Bo for YOUR probation. Of course. And Jud is the reason why Chris Webber got paid. Whatever. You're not even an ounce better than the dickheads you claim UM fans are. You wrestle with pigs, you end up just as muddy.
I never blamed probation on Bo. I said he was an asshole. If you are cranky about the game yesterday, go to your thread and whine there about it.
JickBoy34 11-19-2006, 03:08 PM Fuck Sparty
Moodini31 11-19-2006, 04:33 PM I hate Bo. He was a major part of MSU being put on probation(and their subsequent 40 years of suckitude). He was a jerk. He would be a hypocrit or lie. At the same time he was a loving person to those that were part of his family, and changed hundreds of peoples lives in a VERY positive way. If I was a coach, I would probably imitate many of his parts, more of the 'Bear' personally, but Bo would be up there. I respect him about as much as you can. I still hate him though.
This post is insensitive, and rude, frankly because of my own feelings, and their complete opppositeness to yours.
You are totally right and I share all of your feelings. Bo was an asshole on many occations and I couldn't stand the guy. Didn't share those out of respect yesterday but its the truth. He was the center of UM arrogance that begun when he coached there. So pardon me if I could care less and posted info prior to the bad news.
It's unbelievable to me that people would post things like this right after the man dies. If my least favorite human being on the planet died, I wouldn't say anything of the sort.
Jethro34 11-19-2006, 07:34 PM I never blamed probation on Bo. I said he was an asshole. If you are cranky about the game yesterday, go to your thread and whine there about it.
When did I say Tre in that post? Read the thread homeboy. Check detroitsportscity's post before you tell me what to say in this thread.
And I'm not pissed after yesterday's loss. I came on here several times before the game and predicted Michigan would lose. They played a hell of a game and there's nothing to be pissed about. It went down just like I thought it would, only with a higher score.
detroitsportscity 11-19-2006, 08:32 PM When did I say Tre in that post? Read the thread homeboy. Check detroitsportscity's post before you tell me what to say in this thread.
And I'm not pissed after yesterday's loss. I came on here several times before the game and predicted Michigan would lose. They played a hell of a game and there's nothing to be pissed about. It went down just like I thought it would, only with a higher score.
I didn't say that it was Bo's fault that MSU broke the rules, however, Bo exposed the minor infractions, and then pressed for major punishments. Major punishments were applied, out of line with similar situations from the time period. This is after Bo pressed for higher punishments. Though it isn't Bo's fault MSU did the wrong thing, it is understandable that he draws some ire from MSU fans.
Baker 11-20-2006, 08:30 AM Okay, I might have lost all respect for scout.com. They have an article on their site right now about a Izzo rumor. According to them, two reporters have brought up the fact that MSU should have Izzo take over the football program too. They also mentioned that the University might have even considered it.
This is way too ridiculous for me.
SpartyNick 11-20-2006, 11:09 AM This is way too ridiculous for me.
Hondo is an idiot, as are the reporters who have piggy-backed his claims.
WTFchris 11-20-2006, 01:53 PM Not sure if any of you are listening to the Inferno, but apparently Izzo was asked if he was a canidate today and he refused to deny it. I think it's a smoke screen, there is no way they are that dumb.
Glenn 11-20-2006, 01:55 PM Can somebody spell out what specifically what the Izzo rumors are?
Are they talking about him being the AD?
Glenn 11-20-2006, 02:07 PM I'm browsing some of these places where people are talking about Izzo actually being MSU's football coach.
This has got to be a hoax or a joke.
MSU bungles a lot of things, but even this is below them.
A move like that would totally destroy any remaining credibility that program has.
I refuse to believe this is possible.
Baker 11-20-2006, 04:07 PM Izzo did not deny his dream to coach football, however said that the time is not right now.
Jethro34 11-25-2006, 04:16 PM I thought the Coker firing might produce some mention of some of the same names, but so far it hasn't.
I'm somewhat surprised MSU doesn't have anyone in place yet. For as much as different names have been floating, they don't seem to be moving very quickly. On one hand, good that they aren't rushing into such a big decision. On the other hand, the longer they wait the harder it will be for the new coach to gain much momentum in recruiting. Sure, signing day isn't until Feb, meaning there's more than 3 months left, but the new coach already has an uphill battle. Means any of this year's JUCO players probably won't get much new talent playing around them next year. Any of the JUCO guys have 3 years of eligibility? That's somewhat rare, but it's not unheard of.
Glenn 11-26-2006, 06:54 AM What about Coker?
Baker 11-26-2006, 06:10 PM Is he going to be fired? I think he might be too old for what we are looking for and by the looks of things in Miami, he's not the discipline guy we need.
JickBoy34 11-26-2006, 07:03 PM Is he going to be fired? I think he might be too old for what we are looking for and by the looks of things in Miami, he's not the discipline guy we need.
LOL...he was fired yesterday.
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Posted: November 26, 2006
Tom Dienhart
Sporting News
A source close to the Michigan State coaching search told me tonight that Michigan State will name Cincinnati coach Mark Dantonio as its next head coach.
Dantonio is in his third year with Bearcats, guiding them to a 7-5 record this season. The highlight of the year was a victory over previously unbeaten Rutgers on Nov. 18. Dantonio earned his stripes as an assistant at Ohio State, where he served as defensive coordinator of the Buckeyes for three seasons (2001-03). His 2002 defense helped Ohio State win the national championship. From 1995-2000, Dantonio was an assistant at Michigan State, coaching the secondary under Nick Saban and Bobby Williams. Dantonio also has been an assistant at Youngstown State, Kansas, Ohio and Purdue. He's a 1979 graduate of South Carolina.
DennyMcLain 11-26-2006, 11:49 PM Uh oh -- another OSU/Youngstown State connection.
Here come the NCAA violations........
WTFchris 11-27-2006, 09:34 AM At least they didn't snake Kelly from my Chips!
SpartyNick 11-27-2006, 09:48 AM Good hire IMO.
Dantonio meets many of the requirements I had for MSU's next HC. He's a defensive guy, a midwest guy, he's coached at MSU before, and he has some (even if very little) HC experience in a BCS conference.
Props to MSU's board of trustees for approving this hire without making the waves they have ultimately been known for.
D's Nuts 11-27-2006, 11:19 AM Well apparently Kelly gave them an ultimatum and the deadline passed so he's heading to ISU. Grantham was supposedly good to go last week but Fergie (MSU BOT) balked on it and now we're stuck with Dantonio.... It's not a sexy hire but ultimately he might be the right guy.
Glenn 11-27-2006, 11:20 AM Well apparently Kelly gave them an ultimatum and the deadline passed so he's heading to ISU.
http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7574
SpartyNick 11-27-2006, 11:23 AM Well apparently Kelly gave them an ultimatum and the deadline passed so he's heading to ISU
Gene Chizik has been hired at ISU.
I have a feeling that Kelly got a bit of a swelled head during all of this and it cost him. Heading back to CMU for another season may not be that bad of a thing for him though..... a little more D-1 experience and a better offer after next season maybe.
Baker 11-27-2006, 12:53 PM I'm okay with this hire. Not a blow your top off hire, but a solid hire.
Cons: Not particularly thrilled with his record.
Not sure if he can recruit.
Pros: Defensive guy
Coming off major upset
experienced
Worked under Saban
One thing to keep an eye on is his defensive coordinator. His coordinator is considered one of the hottest coordinators in college football. Dantonio offered him the job. We'll have to see if he takes it and comes to MSU.
WTFchris 11-27-2006, 02:36 PM I listened the to presser and I was pretty impressed with the guy. I knew very little of him outside his bio, but he sounds like the right type of guy. I think he'll do very well at MSU personally.
My only concern would be the recruiting as well. His classes haven't been stellar, but is that because he was at Cincy? Don't know. I guess we'll find out.
Baker 11-27-2006, 03:26 PM I listened the to presser and I was pretty impressed with the guy. I knew very little of him outside his bio, but he sounds like the right type of guy. I think he'll do very well at MSU personally.
My only concern would be the recruiting as well. His classes haven't been stellar, but is that because he was at Cincy? Don't know. I guess we'll find out.
Yeah, I felt the same way about his record too. Who would be able to recruit and win at Cincy? I guess time will tell.
WTFchris 11-27-2006, 05:00 PM Yeah, I felt the same way about his record too. Who would be able to recruit and win at Cincy? I guess time will tell.
Cincy is C-USA right? That's a pretty weak conference these days. But, he also had OSU, WVU, Pitt and Louisville all near by (more than that I am sure too) to recruit against too. I guess every school has that problem. Hopefully it will work out for him and MSU.
Jethro34 11-27-2006, 08:15 PM As a Michigan fan I hate this hire. Why? Because this guy seems legit. I watched Cincy a couple times this year and they were about as impressive as a C-USA team can be. They hung in there in a lot of big games longer than expected. Should be just what the Spartans need to be respected again.
Moodini31 11-27-2006, 09:54 PM One thing to keep an eye on is his defensive coordinator. His coordinator is considered one of the hottest coordinators in college football.
The defensive coordinator at Cincinnati?! Bold. LOL. [smilie=totlach.gif]
And I thought Mike D'Antoni already had a job?
http://www.datasport.it/immagini/dantoni(2).jpg
What a downgrade.
Baker 11-28-2006, 08:41 AM The defensive coordinator at Cincinnati?! Bold. LOL. [smilie=totlach.gif]
And I thought Mike D'Antoni already had a job?
http://www.datasport.it/immagini/dantoni(2).jpg
What a downgrade.
Do you ever post anything positive about MSU? Honestly, I rip UM all the time but I will give props once in a blue moon. If I see a Moodini post, it is guaranteed to be a MSU shot in some way. Jethro even gave a little positive feedback.
I don't see it, but my bad on the typo if i made one (Mike/Mark). Yes, the D coordinator at Cincy. You realize that everyone starts somewhere right. Go back deep into the resume of great coaches and you'll see that their first jobs were coordinators at weaker schools. Read up on it and maybe you'll see that I"m right.
WTFchris 11-28-2006, 09:54 AM As a Michigan fan I hate this hire. Why? Because this guy seems legit. I watched Cincy a couple times this year and they were about as impressive as a C-USA team can be. They hung in there in a lot of big games longer than expected. Should be just what the Spartans need to be respected again.
As a Michigan fan I like it. I want U of M/MSU to become Florida/Florida State in the late 90's. I'd like to see them both having 9+ win seasons every year and that game meaning something (nationally...it is always huge here in michigan). Do I want MSU to steal U of M's big recruits? No. But I'd like to see their program be like PSU and Wisconsin were not too long ago (both are back after some struggles).
I'm not the type of fan that roots against your rival. I'd rather give them the one loss on their schedule and make that loss sting a little more (not to mention it improves your strength of schedule).
Baker 11-28-2006, 10:46 AM I'm starting to get more and more excited about this hire because of what everyone is saying. Lots of football people are praising the hire. Chris Spielman (sp?) and Nick Saban are both saying great things about the hire.
The thing that I like on top of that is the guy's demeanor and appearance. He comes off as a business like focused guy. In the past, you'd look at Bobby or JLS and get a little embarrassed that these individuals were leading your program. They just didn't come off focused, serious, etc.
This hire brings in somebody tough with a defensive attitude and I like that alot.
Moodini31 11-28-2006, 10:18 PM Do you ever post anything positive about MSU?
The 50-year-old Dantonio had an 18-17 record at Cincinnati.
Nope.[smilie=groove.gif]
Jethro34 11-28-2006, 10:33 PM He was 7-5 this year while playing 5 games against teams ranked in the top 11. Cinci hasn't ever been good that I can remember. It was a stepping stone job and he left the job better than it was when he got there. That's pretty good.
Baker 11-29-2006, 12:52 PM He was 7-5 this year while playing 5 games against teams ranked in the top 11. Cinci hasn't ever been good that I can remember. It was a stepping stone job and he left the job better than it was when he got there. That's pretty good.
Thank you Jethro for showing that UM fans can act decent and fair once in awhile.
I'll take Spielmen and Saban's opinion over Moodini. Especially when he's the same guy that thought Amaker would be a great hire.
Artermis 12-01-2006, 06:13 AM I like the hire, but unfortunately he lost Nichol to OU.
He needs to jump on Threet that committed to GT, especially after GT got another top QB recruit to verbal.
Jethro34 12-01-2006, 07:37 AM I like the hire, but unfortunately he lost Nichol to OU.
He needs to jump on Threet that committed to GT, especially after GT got another top QB recruit to verbal.
It's not impossible, but good luck. Threet will be an early graduate and he's enrolling at GT in January.
detroitsportscity 12-01-2006, 05:50 PM I like the hire, but unfortunately he lost Nichol to OU.
He needs to jump on Threet that committed to GT, especially after GT got another top QB recruit to verbal.
Gailey is supposed to be a top candidate for the Bama job too.
If Gailey leaves, then MSU could do a full court press on Threet and Everson, which would be great for MSU if they could get 1 or both.
Also CJ Peake is scheduling a visit to MSU, and it will be the 3rd and last visit he plans on taking. Wiscy already has Landingham, and BC is about 10x as far from Ohio compared to Wiscy or MSU. Peake would be a GREAT person to get.
Baker 12-04-2006, 03:33 PM Brian Kelly taking the Cincy job helped out the Spartans. Because of that, Cincy's defensive coordinator that I mentioned before is probably going to come to Michigan State. I don't know a great deal about him, just what I've read. Many people claim he's a hot coordinator, I guess we'll see.
It'll be good for chemistry within the coaching staff.
Jethro34 12-04-2006, 07:46 PM Except Kelly is a good recruiter and he'll be competing with Dantonio in one major geopgraphical area where Dantonio needs to be able to pull talent. Give and take.
Baker 12-06-2006, 10:56 AM Except Kelly is a good recruiter and he'll be competing with Dantonio in one major geopgraphical area where Dantonio needs to be able to pull talent. Give and take.
The guys that felt Dantonio are going to go with him in my opinion. If you felt the guy and were planning on going to Cincy, you'll follow him just a few miles away to play in the Big Ten.
If Dantonio has trouble getting guys to go to State instead of Cincy with Kelly, then we have some major problems. Dantonio needs to start competing with ND, OSU, and Michigan...not cincy.
Jethro34 12-06-2006, 08:49 PM I'm just saying that while Dantonio has a clear upper hand THIS year, Kelly will hit that area big time in the future. Unless Dantonio was recruiting a bunch of juniors, he loses his advantage. As far as competing with ND, OSU and UM, I agree that he should be focused on them. But guess what? They all recruit Cinci as well. Colerain turns out a player or two to those programs every year, and that's just one HS. The problem is, Dantonio has to maintain his ties because he'll have a hard time getting the best 2 or 3 from the area because of the big three you mentioned. If Kelly can get in with the rest of the guys, it leaves Dantonio with very little.
By the way, your hyped OL Simkovich just left MSU and committed to freaking Akron. You were hyping him big time (though he's a 3 star, he was still one of the team's top recruits) and now he's going to a team far worse than Cincy. So far between Nichol, Landingham and Simkovich the class has been decimated. It's a good thing Mark Dell is solid.
(yes, a lot of this belonged in the recruiting thread but a lot applied directly to the Kelly thing also so I put it here)
detroitsportscity 12-06-2006, 09:12 PM I'm just saying that while Dantonio has a clear upper hand THIS year, Kelly will hit that area big time in the future. Unless Dantonio was recruiting a bunch of juniors, he loses his advantage. As far as competing with ND, OSU and UM, I agree that he should be focused on them. But guess what? They all recruit Cinci as well. Colerain turns out a player or two to those programs every year, and that's just one HS. The problem is, Dantonio has to maintain his ties because he'll have a hard time getting the best 2 or 3 from the area because of the big three you mentioned. If Kelly can get in with the rest of the guys, it leaves Dantonio with very little.
By the way, your hyped OL Simkovich just left MSU and committed to freaking Akron. You were hyping him big time (though he's a 3 star, he was still one of the team's top recruits) and now he's going to a team far worse than Cincy. So far between Nichol, Landingham and Simkovich the class has been decimated. It's a good thing Mark Dell is solid.
(yes, a lot of this belonged in the recruiting thread but a lot applied directly to the Kelly thing also so I put it here)
Yeah the team with the worst recruiting situation in the Big EAST will be getting a bunch of kids over a Big Ten team, LOL.
Simko was told he 'wasn't part of the plans' by MD, probably in a 'we'll let you stay if you want, but you aren't going to play' style way, but that's what happened. Simko was 2nd team ALL CONFERENCE in HS, he tore up the camps, but apparantly can't put it together on the field. MD wants kids who do it on the field.
Jethro34 12-06-2006, 09:22 PM Good update on his season. I guess it makes sense, but still I would think you would want a kid with that size and raw skills around to try to develop. Maybe he'll never do much, or maybe with a good college line coach he'll become a stud. You know he has the raw tools, so it';s just a mental thing probably - maybe work ethic. Kinda like do you play Mike Williams or Josh McCown in a 4 wide set, right?
detroitsportscity 12-06-2006, 11:00 PM Good update on his season. I guess it makes sense, but still I would think you would want a kid with that size and raw skills around to try to develop. Maybe he'll never do much, or maybe with a good college line coach he'll become a stud. You know he has the raw tools, so it';s just a mental thing probably - maybe work ethic. Kinda like do you play Mike Williams or Josh McCown in a 4 wide set, right?
I'm just not sure he has the anger or tenacity needed to kick ass on the field. He fails the badass test in his picture at a minimum.
Baker 12-06-2006, 11:07 PM I'm just saying that while Dantonio has a clear upper hand THIS year, Kelly will hit that area big time in the future. Unless Dantonio was recruiting a bunch of juniors, he loses his advantage. As far as competing with ND, OSU and UM, I agree that he should be focused on them. But guess what? They all recruit Cinci as well. Colerain turns out a player or two to those programs every year, and that's just one HS. The problem is, Dantonio has to maintain his ties because he'll have a hard time getting the best 2 or 3 from the area because of the big three you mentioned. If Kelly can get in with the rest of the guys, it leaves Dantonio with very little.
By the way, your hyped OL Simkovich just left MSU and committed to freaking Akron. You were hyping him big time (though he's a 3 star, he was still one of the team's top recruits) and now he's going to a team far worse than Cincy. So far between Nichol, Landingham and Simkovich the class has been decimated. It's a good thing Mark Dell is solid.
(yes, a lot of this belonged in the recruiting thread but a lot applied directly to the Kelly thing also so I put it here)
Jethro, you know how I get frustrated when people put words in my mouth? This is an example. You claim that I was hyping Simko big time. Here is my quote from the recruiting thread word for word:
DrTre11 wrote: He definately looks like an O Lineman. Interested to see if he moves up in the rankings. I like the fact that he was the best O Lineman in the PSU Nike Camp.
I later said he made the Rivals 5 on the Rise list. Not exactly hyping big time. As far as needing him, I'll take Dantonio's opinion.
Jethro34 12-07-2006, 07:05 AM If he was the best OL at PSU and 5 on the rise, compared to the rest of State's recruits, that's hyping.
Maybe Spartan commit Simkovich wasn't just a typical rivals overhyped player. Found him on Rivals' May 8th "Five on the Rise" list. Here is what they had to say: (I didn't post the pic for fear of embarrassment)
Paul Simkovich, Latrobe (Pa.) Greater Latrobe
Position: Offensive tackle
Height: 6-foot-4
Weight: 298 pounds
Simkovich already has a nice resume of offers from Temple, Akron and Michigan State, but he proved that he could really be a national recruit at Saturday's NIKE Training Camp in State College, Pa. Simkovich definitely has the body to be an inside lineman and his toughness was amazing all day long. He was able to out-muscle and out-technique any defensive lineman that came at him during the camp. –Jeremy Crabtree
The overhyped stuff is on every site, but this is the list Rivals put together of 5 rising recruits over the whole country.
When you suggest that a player actually may not simply be a typical rivals overhype, it comes with an assumption that you may believe the hype. When you post it, it implies that you are willing to spread the hype.
I feel justified in my previous comment.
Baker 12-07-2006, 01:03 PM If he was the best OL at PSU and 5 on the rise, compared to the rest of State's recruits, that's hyping.
When you suggest that a player actually may not simply be a typical rivals overhype, it comes with an assumption that you may believe the hype. When you post it, it implies that you are willing to spread the hype.
I feel justified in my previous comment.
It's not justified, you said I "hyped him big time." That quote does not show me "hyping anyone big time." Optimistic? Okay. Hyped big time? Ummm...i don't think so.
BTW, MD is hitting the phones and the road HARD. I know he has to, to recover...but he is all over the place right now trying to bring in talent. I like the hard work he's putting in already.
Baker 12-11-2006, 01:04 PM I really like what some of the assistants are saying in the media. Talking about defense and running the ball. With our stable of backs next year, it would be nice to see a good defense and a great running game.
Next year might be alot of fun. I think they'll get a decent bowl for sure.
Jethro34 12-11-2006, 09:59 PM That's some quotable stuff right there.
Baker 12-12-2006, 12:50 AM That's some quotable stuff right there.
Feel free to quote it. 7-5 next year
Jethro34 12-12-2006, 06:55 AM Is decent bowl anything stronger than Motor City? Do you have to be in a bowl game against a BCS conference opponent? Because if you end up playing Akron in the Walmart Pharmacy Bowl in Little Rock, Ark., I would hope you didn't call that a decent bowl.
Baker 12-12-2006, 12:48 PM Is decent bowl anything stronger than Motor City? Do you have to be in a bowl game against a BCS conference opponent? Because if you end up playing Akron in the Walmart Pharmacy Bowl in Little Rock, Ark., I would hope you didn't call that a decent bowl.
I can't predict what
bowl, because in the wonderful world of college football, bowls are decided by money not the team. You have to have fans that will travel really well to that area in order for you to get an invitation to that bowl. So i shouldn't guarantee a decent bowl. I should guarantee the 7-5 record. That can't be changed by fan attendance or TV ratings.
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