Let it begin.....

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Not the Game to End All Games.

Both teams could still meet in the title game.

If Cal beats SC, then the Trojans beat ND, and Florida loses in the SEC title game. This scenario is completely possible. The loser of UM/OSU can sit at home and do nothing while climbing back up the rankings.

I'd expect that, if the game is close, the loser would drop no more than three spots, sandwiching Florida, WVa, and ND. Then SC beats ND, WVa loses to Rutgers, and Florida gets thrashed by Arkansas. Rutgers is too far down in the BCS poll to pose a threat.

The only problem is that I now feel SC will beat Cal after looking sharp against a good Oregon team. This would add SC to the mix, who must still go out and hand ND it's second loss. Arkansas is another problem. Depending on how the BCS shakes out come Sunday, all of the quality wins by the Razorbacks could leapfrog them over some teams.

It's going to be interesting to see the point differential in the BCS between #2 and #3. When Louisville was #3, the diff was .0800, followed by Florida another .0800 back, a huge gap. We could see another Oklahoma situation, here.

ahhh the bcs numbers are fairly simple.
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Don't count out Rutgers.

They are going to move WAY UP, after beating Louisville, especially with Auburn, Texas, and Cal losing. I see them being around #6, behind USC, Florida, and ND, and maybe Arkansas. As those teams lose, they could get high enough, especially if the beat WVU.

rutgers in somewhere in that equation i think that are 2 Rps

If Michigan wins and Ohio State DOESN'T get another shot, I'd be shocked. Michigan deserves a second look, but I think they'll find a way around it.

Kevin Grady and Prescott Burgess will both be back and available to play in "The Snakepit".

Here's a quote from Mike Hart about how big this game is:

Hart learned fast what a loss to Ohio State means, he said. The Buckeyes took some of the luster off Michigan's 2004 Big Ten championship with a convincing win in Columbus, sullying a great year.

"It doesn't feel good. It hurts," said Hart. "I've never been hurt like that after a football game. I've lost games before and it made me mad, but that was like you were hurt. You lose down there … it's such a big game so many people watching.

"It hurts to lose to that team. They don't want to lose to us and we don't want to lose to them. That's what makes it such a big game."

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This one, though, might be the biggest of them all, Hart said.

"It's probably going to be the biggest game of everyone's life on our team. It's a huge game," he said. "We're undefeated; they're undefeated. We're playing for a Big Ten championship and a chance to go to the national championship game. So I don't think there's a bigger game out there."

Great post by a mod on The Wolverine-

had breakfast with the radio crew Saturday after riding to and from the game with Karsch. Great group of guys, and great insights. They all like Michigan's chances in Columbus.

Someone asked about Branch - DK interviewed him after the game, and he was fine. No concerns there. Mario - still a little tender, it seems, but getting better. And the Ohio State game has a way of making injuries disappear.

Lewis got a few too many on the designed running plays (31 yards on four carries in the first half). I have a feeling we're going to see Smith try to exploit this more than he has all year - need to be sharp, and tackle better than they have all year (which is saying something).

David Harris - haven't seen better linebacker play since Erick Anderson. Unreal.

Love seeing the early play action and the empty backfield at times, even on first downs. They need to continue to mix it up like that. Breaston - I think he has a big game in Columbus. I expect to see Hart getting two extra yards on every carry. I can't imagine OSU wanting this game more than Michigan - they've really been preparing for this one for a year, and I've never seen a more focused group.

Tressel's quote last night - "I haven't really looked at their defense yet." If you've been watching this guy, that's his smug way of saying he's not all that concerned. I have a feeling he will be Saturday.

Before ND, I never had a stronger feeling that Michigan would play its best game in South Bend and probably win. I've got that same feeling about Saturday's game. If the breaks don't go against them, they're going to win. Either way, this has been a special team and a special year. It's hard to believe the loser of this game goes empty handed.

CB

even though i think UM and OSU are head and shoulders ahead of everyone else, and that its bs that someone else could play in the national championship game, the loser really should not get a second chance. a do over would just be bullshit. also, this is especially true of OSU, cuz theyd be losing a game at home at the end of the year.

you couldnt come up with a bigger game scenario. the fact that OSU has owned us recently just makes this even bigger.

I have a horrible feeling about this game. Tre says I never pick against Michigan but I'm doing it right now.

Every time Michigan has been impressive this year, Ohio State has been a little more impressive.
Every time Michigan has looked a little off, Ohio State has looked a little less off.
The resumes are similar, and Michigan really has been impressive over the long haul, but Ohio State doesn't have a weakness at all. Michigan does.

I've never given Troy Smith much credit, but I will now. Yes, this is not the same Michigan defense that has been burned in the past by mobile QB's. But they haven't dominated mobile QB's the way they've dominated others, and they haven't faced this one. This guy makes such quick decisions. Pressure him and he'll dump it over your head. Protect the pass over your head and he'll come and meet you 5 or more yards down the field.

Bottom line: In what should be a very good, very close chess game I think it's been obvious that Tressel can outsmart Carr. I hope to heck that I'm wrong, and I'll be pissed and in the worst mood ever if I'm right, but I'm calling it how I see it.

Let's rename this upcoming week...BONER week, because I will be sprouting wood all week long waiting for this game.

oh come on, no picking the bucks.

hart's going for 200+, winning michigan the game and hart heisman recognition. bet on it.

If UM beats OSU at OSU...no way OSU deserves a rematch.

Now if UM loses a close last second FG type game on the road, then UM definitely deserves a rematch at a neutral site.

We should know pretty early in the game whether or not what is going on with this game. If UM gets pressure with the front 4 only, it could be a long day for OSU.

BTW it has been a long time since I have seen someone hit as hard as David Harris seems to be doing every time he lays the smack down.

Let's rename this upcoming week...BONER week, because I will be sprouting wood all week long waiting for this game.

I just saw ABC's commercial with clips of a ton of old Ohio State-Michigan games, Woody Hayes, Desmond striking the pose, as it said "THE GREATEST RIVALRY LIVES HERE" then they showed a few new school clips of Smith, Pittman, Henne, and Hart, finishing with "THE GAME OF THE YEAR LIVES HERE"

AAAAAAAH! WAAAAAAAY TOOOO FRICKIN' HYPED! I'm going to be a BONE-a-fide waste of space the entire week.

GO BLUE!

Does UofM have a defensive scheme using a rover/shadow/spy???? Whatever you want to call it where a defender has 1 assignment, to watch the QB? We could put pressure on Smith and he could take off on us. Make him beat us through the air, not with his legs.

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I cannot stop watching this

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I cannot stop watching this

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3 days to go! I'm not going to make it.....puke......boner. AAAAAAAAAH!

Michigan 105
Ohio State 87

Michigan 25
Ohio State 7

I put $100 on UM plus 7...

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That hype video just made me soil myself, thanks Muhme.

GO BUCKS!

from the mouth of Chris Perry

"Troy Smith shouldn't even win the Heisman. He's not going to win his league or the national championship. We all know what's going to happen. We're going to win it. It's been long overdue. Tressel's been cheating. So, hey, we're going to keep it real. There ain't nothing else to say."

this game can't get here fast enough

Alumni should know better than to provide bulletin board material.

Alumni should know better than to provide bulletin board material.

Especially when they play in Ohio currently.

Especially when they play in Ohio currently.

Cato June said Michigan will Beat OHIO by 22 on Jim Rome a couple weeks back it was hilarious...

Tomorrow, Rome is supposed to have Charles Woodson and Braylon Edwards on his show. I can only imagine what those two are going to come up with.

Rome also ripped Chris Perry and dogged Michigan today. Yet has UM alumni on there. Sounds like typical jim rome. Jim everett where are you when we need you most?
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He can rip Michigan all he wants, but hopefully he has more of their players and alumni on the show than he does Ohio State so we can get that "jungle karma" he's so proud of.
If he does, and that don't win, he can start ripping himself instead of Michigan.
Notice he only talks about jumgle karma when a team wins? How many times has he had a guy on his show then their team goes out and gets waxed the next day? Doesn't really talk about it then - or he makes up another excuse. I'm a Rome fan but he obviously does a number of things that are almost as annoying as Rush Limbaugh.

Jeth, he knows that everyone is aware that the "jungle karma" is a farce. It's actually a running joke that he only mentions when it works. Just more of the typical Rome sarcasm.

I thought Mike Doss' shirt was funny.

"Choke" The official soft drink of Michigan Football.

With that being said, I don't think they'll choke in this one. A great defense always beats a great offense. Especially come Championship time.

I've got the Wolverines by 10.

Well, things just got weird with Bo's passing.

I wonder how they'll pay tribute at OSU's stadium, and how will the crowd react there after said tribute? I'm guessing that UM will have some sort of sticker on their helmet or patch on their uni.

As for the game, will this be motivation or a distraction?

Taking the "death" part out of this, it's too bad that an outside occurance is going to have an influence on this game. It was perfect as is was.

It would have been nice if Bo would have made it to see the game be played at least.

Go blue.

IMO its all the more important now. THE legend of Michigan just died because of the game. So much now rides on this game. IMO if Ohio State wins, they stand above Michigan in such a way that Michigan simply winning next year means little. At the same time, the chair on what is the Mt Olympus of Michigan football is now open for Carr. He wins tomorrow and in the bowl game, he's the new living legend (not as big as Bo was/still is but the new living legend) as a 2 time national champion.

I'm going to preface this by saying the game is secondary to Bo's family right now. That being said, this is how I see it affecting the game...

Initially, I thought the shock and distress of this would hinder Michigan's chances. I thought it would be much like losing a teammate on the field and trying to get your mind off it.

Then, I thought about it some more and I think it helps Michigan. I think whoever makes the speach (and I'm talking players) before the game will talk about how Bo gave his life for the school and every one of them with his dedication, and that they owe it to him to give everything they have for him on the field. Obviously the speach will be different, but I think they will certainly fight like warriors to honor his legacy.

Lloyd's got to give that speech.^

There must be tears.

Well, things just got weird with Bo's passing.

I wonder how they'll pay tribute at OSU's stadium, and how will the crowd react there after said tribute? I'm guessing that UM will have some sort of sticker on their helmet or patch on their uni.

In the press conference, they just said they talked with the OSU AD and he is going to make arrangements for a moment of silence before the game. They didn't know anything beyond that.

While I cant stand Ohio, or Ohio state, I think the fans will honor him and save their hatred for the team during the game. I can't imagine the fans are low enough to boo Bo's moment of silence.

Select interesting items from ESPN.com's SportsNation poll.

44,000+ votes so far.



5) Which unit is stronger?

51.4% Ohio State's offense

48.6% Michigan's defense


6) Which head coach would you rather have?

67.6% Jim Tressel

32.4% Lloyd Carr


12) Which team will win on Saturday?

54.1% Ohio State

45.9% Michigan


13) Which team would win if the game was played in Ann Arbor?

55.1% Michigan

44.9% Ohio State

12) Which team will win on Saturday?

54.1% Ohio State

45.9% Michigan


13) Which team would win if the game was played in Ann Arbor?

55.1% Michigan

44.9% Ohio State

So more people think home field is a larger advantage than the overall strength of either team. Interesting. Shows how evenly matched they think the teams are.

just trhough down on michigan. almost took the touchddown, but went with a streight bet (215-100 odds). considered giving another 3.5 for something like 300-100 odds, but didnt want to push my luck.

michigans got the intangibles. get one for bo. get one cuz osu has beaten us up lately. get one cuz were the better team. harts going to win me some money tomorrow.

i actually didnt want to bet on this game cuz i know i'll be happy enough if we win and pissed enough if we lose without money. but i think its a good bet too.

bo= obi won kenobi. him dieing will make us more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

With that being said, I don't think they'll choke in this one. A great defense always beats a great offense. Especially come Championship time.


^^You do know that OSU's defense is one of the best they've had in a while...

Im pulling for Michigan here, 24-20. Win one for Bo. Ill be switching the channel even if the UW game is still on.

^^You do know that OSU's defense is one of the best they've had in a while...It's a good defense, but it's not the best they've had in a while. Sure, they don't allow a lot of points but look at their schedule thus far. Other than Texas, they haven't played a good team. Texas is their only opponent with a scoring offense in the top 40, until tomorrow.

A little background of the rivalry from Ivan Maisel on ESPN.com-

I'll tell you how big this game is," former Ohio State coach John Cooper said Wednesday on a Master Coaches Survey teleconference. "The loser is going to the Rose Bowl."

All well and good, but all you need to know is this: Everything you have ever heard about the Ohio State-Michigan rivalry is true.

• It is true that the late Ohio State coach Woody Hayes, who did more to pump up the negative feelings in the rivalry than any man, refused to fill up his car in the state of Michigan.

"I'll tell you why we don't," Hayes said, according to the seminal book, "Woody Hayes and the 100-Yard War." "It's because I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan. We'll coast and push this goddam car to the Ohio line before I give this state a nickel of my money!"

• It is true that Michigan, leading 55-0 late in the 1946 game, lined up and kicked a field goal.

• It is true that in 1950, the teams played through a blizzard with 29 inches of snow and more than 50,000 fans sat through it. Michigan's Chuck Ortmann punted 24 times, and the Wolverines won 9-3, despite failing to make a first down. Buckeyes coach Wes Fesler quit a few days later. Ohio State hired the little-known Hayes away from Miami (Ohio).

• It is true that in 1970, a local judge in Columbus dismissed a charge of obscenity against a defendant arrested for wearing a T-shirt that said, "F--- Michigan" because the message "accurately expressed" local feelings about the university and the state.

• It is true that Hayes sometimes bunked his team in Toledo on the night before a game in Ann Arbor so the Buckeyes could sleep on Ohio ground.

• It is true that, by state law, the Franklin County (Ohio) Board of Elections is supposed to begin counting the provisional ballots cast in this month's 15th Congressional District race on Nov. 18. Rep. Deborah Pryce leads challenger Mary Jo Kilroy by 3,536 votes. However, the board will not begin to count the votes until Nov. 19 so that the counters may watch the Ohio State-Michigan game.

• It is true that the lowest-priced ticket available on StubHub on Thursday, for a seat on the corner of the end zone, on the 41st row of the upper deck, would have set you back $530. Binoculars extra.

That's just another reason why Saturday's contest will be the most important game the players on either team will have ever played.

"Legends are made in this game," Ohio State senior guard T.J. Downing said this week. "Every guy knows they have a chance to go down in the record books and make history."

This game is an absolute game for the ages. The biggest rivalry in all of sports, #1 vs. #2, the winner goes to the National Championship game, quite possibly the biggest game in the history of college football. And if that's not enough build up, the legendary Michigan coach, the face of the program, Bo Schembechler passes away on the eve of the schools biggest game against their most hated rival. Wow.

With all of that said, there is no doubt in my mind that Michigan is going to win this game. They are now a team of destiny. You thought they were focused and hungry before, coming off a 7-5 season, pre-season #14, overlooked and dismissed by the media as a program on the decline, written off vs. Notre Dame, and ESPN's poll shows that no one in the country thinks they can go into Columbus and beat the #1 Buckeyes. Then, the patriarch of the Michigan football family dies. The man that all of the players and coaches alike know and love is gone. I don't think a team ever had, or will have more motivation and desire to win a game. pb]The Wolverines will go out and "Win one for Bo."[/b]

I guess Bo will really do anything to give the Michigan football team an advantage.

To the game now......

Ohio State is obviously superior on offense, but I know it's cliche, but defense wins championships. Michigan's defense is loaded with future NFL stars and are like no defense Ohio State has seen this year. The media keeps saying that Troy Smith has shredded Michigan, and will do it again, but this isn't the same defense. The Bucks struggled to move the ball against PSU and late against Illinois, and the Wolverines are far superior to those units.

OSU has also not seen an offense that is as balanced as Michigan's. They've seen teams that are very one dimensional, but Michigan can run the ball down your throat with Hart, and hit the big one over the top to Manningham, Arrington, and now Breaston.

I expect Michigan to be successful running the ball with Hart which will open up Manningham for a few big plays down the field. I think Hart may put in a Chris Perry-Michigan State 2003 type performance approaching 40 carries. He'll finish around 150 yards. Michigan will stuff the OSU run game with Pittman and make them one-dimensional. Smith will have success and will hit some plays, but the rush from the front 4 of the Wolverines will put heat on him all day long and will have to get rid of the ball quick. Look for Leon Hall on Anthony Gonzalez all day long and Morgan Trent will run with Teddy Ginn. The corners will limit the big play ability of OSU's talented receiving duo. Michigan gets a late TD from Adrian Arrington and closes out the Bucks with one last defensive stand sending Michigan to the BCS title game.

Michigan-27

Ohio State-20

What are you doing? You beat this guy easy last time."
"He ain't the same guy."
-- "Cinderella Man," 2005

Mood, are the Crittas watching the game at ya house playa?!? Holla at a fun Critta............I am a former Michigan Offensive Lineman!

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God I want this game bad.

Win this and whatever happens in the NC is gravy, win or lose.

I can't handle losing this on top of Bo's passing, especially if ND gets to the title game as well.

150 minutes to go. I just wet myself.

I still don't think Michigan will win, but I've never wanted to be wrong so badly in my life. I might shave every hair off my body before this day is over. Ooops, TMI.

should i bet on the michigan moneyline +220 or the spread +7, quick someone tell me

GO BLUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

LET's GO BABY

man am i pumped

money line it is

I hope the pollsters recognize that these are clearly the two best teams and they deserve to play on a neutral field for all the marbles.

Well sorry guys, I was pullin for ya. Good game though. Im not a big fan of the rematch, but I think its clear these are the two best teams out there this year.

I considered saying a lot of things here. One poster here had a George Mason logo for their avatar months ago. So I considered switching to a Buckeye. Moodini was nice enough to post "Wisconsin owns MSU" after State lost last year in bball. So I considered a similar post about OSU. And instead of giving Final Four props, Jethro ripped MSU for losing their FF game. So I considered talking about UM always losing the big one. And I even had another person here leave the sports section on my doorstep after UM beat MSU last year, so I thought I would be just as ignorant and leave them my Saginaw News tomorrow morning.

But, I've been taking pride in saying that I'm not like ignorant Michigan fans. Therefore, I will give Michigan props for a great season. This is the best team they've had since 97. Huge bounce back year for them and I give them props for that. Their D is stellar, English is awesome, and they are a great team.

Dumbest penalty in years by crable. we shoulda won this. I'm thoroughly disgusted with a few things. No jump balls to manningham, no playaction off the stretch(which was our biggest running play and got OSU's full attention), Not enough blitzes(its obvious that our zones were swiss cheese... why ever drop back?), and finally why do you not try and knock down the passes on a guy as short as smith. I saw atleast 5 passing plays branch alone could've swatted. :angry:

did i say how much i hate that Personal Foul that saved OSU? :( .....I'd love a rematch. but thats up to the writers and USC.

Dumbest penalty in years by crable. we shoulda won this. I'm thoroughly disgusted with a few things. No jump balls to manningham, no playaction off the stretch(which was our biggest running play and got OSU's full attention), Not enough blitzes(its obvious that our zones were swiss cheese... why ever drop back?), and finally why do you not try and knock down the passes on a guy as short as smith. I saw atleast 5 passing plays branch alone could've swatted. :angry:

I think you are way off. Let's say I give you the Crable call. The pass interference call was way worse giving UM its last TD. In addition, the OSU center gave UM 10 pts and took 7 from his own team. This game wasn't as close as the score indicated. I don't think you can argue "we shoulda won."

I'm not a fan of a rematch. I follow the reasoning that it makes this game less important if they redo it in a month and a half and I like this game being so important. As far as I'm concerned, if your forte is defens and you let the other team run up the middle on you for 50+ long TDs twice and lose, you've shown you're not better than that team.

It was an incredible game. Sucks we lost.

You can debate the fouls n mistakes, but from an outside point of view I think they evened out. If anything due to the OSU center, UM had the edge. It was a good game, UM was close but didnt pull it off. Good game, end of story.

Well, I can honestly say that was a great game. The better team won. OSU was brilliant in the first half and made the plays they needed to in the second. Troy Smith is legit. Big plays obviously killed us, but I'm not completely convinced OSU wouldn't have moved the ball down the field without them. I think they still would have won, only a lower scoring game.

I hate that field, but both teams had to play on it. Some stupid penalties where Michigan players made dumb mistakes, but that also went both ways. I honestly can't complain about the game. I can only wish that Michigan would have wanted it more. After that brilliant first drive, they let off as if they thought the whole day would be that easy. I wish they would have played with second half fire the whole game, but they didn't.

Like many of you, I wasn't so sure about the whole rematch thing for the championship game. I am now. Losing by 3 to the #1 team in the country is a better case than any other team can make, hands down. Any voter that watched that game knows how amazing a neutral field matchup for all the marbles would be. I don't expect it to happen because I have zero confidence in the system, but I think it should. Either way, Michigan can't afford to feel sorry for themselves. They need to make sure they win whichever bowl they end up in to top off a wonderful season. If they don't, it retroactively hurts the significance of today's game.

An absolutely horrible season. I'm tired of losing to Ohio State. Can the Carr.

An absolutely horrible season. I'm tired of losing to Ohio State. Can the Carr.
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Tom Jackson answers your post on my behalf.


Seriously though...it was a great fucking game and it's been a great season.

I think it'll be a pretty interesting to find out what goes down this week.
If we aren't getting a shot at the national title, something is terribly wrong.
We went through the whole season only losing to the #1 ranked team who was
ranked #1 from the start. I think it's obvious that we play again. Only time will tell.

I considered saying a lot of things here. One poster here had a George Mason logo for their avatar months ago. So I considered switching to a Buckeye. Moodini was nice enough to post "Wisconsin owns MSU" after State lost last year in bball. So I considered a similar post about OSU. And instead of giving Final Four props, Jethro ripped MSU for losing their FF game. So I considered talking about UM always losing the big one. And I even had another person here leave the sports section on my doorstep after UM beat MSU last year, so I thought I would be just as ignorant and leave them my Saginaw News tomorrow morning.

But, I've been taking pride in saying that I'm not like ignorant Michigan fans. Therefore, I will give Michigan props for a great season. This is the best team they've had since 97. Huge bounce back year for them and I give them props for that. Their D is stellar, English is awesome, and they are a great team.
yea, but on the other hand no one gives a fuck about a AA program like msu.

I think you are way off. Let's say I give you the Crable call. The pass interference call was way worse giving UM its last TD. In addition, the OSU center gave UM 10 pts and took 7 from his own team. This game wasn't as close as the score indicated. I don't think you can argue "we shoulda won."
i can not ask for your take on it and not care when you give it. Lets say that. :thumbsup: Hope that isn't rude, but i saw the game and i dont need your green recap. And yea i'm bitter, and yea we shoulda won. comparing a high snap to a 5ft 10 in qb(any other ob woulda pulled it in) to a personal foul at a 4 point difference is for devils advocates only and you can spin what ifs all night on numerous plays. But fuck those plays and fuck your assessment. 4 point difference and momentum went down the tube on one play for me. Explain your theory to someone else in a better mood for circular antagonism. :wink:

Another absolute classic game in this historic rivalry that lived up to the hype. It was a very frustrating game from a Michigan fan's perspective, not fully capitalizing on turnovers, Henne missing a few throws, uncharacteristically giving up huge run plays, and a major mistake by Shawn Crable. With all of that said, the Wolverines still had a great chance to win the game, and probably should have.

Right now I feel sick to my stomach, but I'm still somewhat pleased with Michigan's performance. They did not give up, were down 28-14 to the #1 team in the country in the most hostile environment imaginable, came back, and fought hard to the end.

Much dap to Troy Smith, the Wolverine killer, and congratulations on winning the Heisman trophy. Without his super-human play, Michigan wins. Also, I can't say enough about Mike Hart. The guy is an absolute warrior. 141 yards and 3 TD's against the Bucks in the Horseshoe? Legendary performance.

I believe if this game was played in Ann Arbor, Michigan wins, which is why I think these 2 giants of college football need to meet again in Glendale, Arizona. (see other thread) Like all the analysts are saying, lets play it again on a neutral site, and let's see what happens.

I'm not sure I understand Wolverine fans that claim, "We should have won." Sure you have a great team. But, after yesterday it was obvious to everyone in the country that Ohio State is hands down the best team in the country. They controlled the entire game after it became a 7-7 tie. I haven't heard one news broadcast even those coming out of Michigan that said, Michigan should have won.

i can not ask for your take on it and not care when you give it. Lets say that. :thumbsup: Hope that isn't rude, but i saw the game and i dont need your green recap. And yea i'm bitter, and yea we shoulda won. comparing a high snap to a 5ft 10 in qb(any other ob woulda pulled it in) to a personal foul at a 4 point difference is for devils advocates only and you can spin what ifs all night on numerous plays. But fuck those plays and fuck your assessment. 4 point difference and momentum went down the tube on one play for me. Explain your theory to someone else in a better mood for circular antagonism. :wink:

Don't take your frustration out on me. It's not my fault that your team has lost 5 of its last 6 to Ohio State.

All that bullshit you spew about not being like "typical Michigan fan" goes out the window with dumbass comebacks like that.

Uhhh, I could come in here and say so and so like a Michigan fan but I won't cuz I'm not like that. Bullshit, you just did and you are.

I'm not sure I understand Wolverine fans that claim, "We should have won." Sure you have a great team. But, after yesterday it was obvious to everyone in the country that Ohio State is hands down the best team in the country. They controlled the entire game after it became a 7-7 tie. I haven't heard one news broadcast even those coming out of Michigan that said, Michigan should have won.

I'm not one of those "we should have won" guys, but if OSU is hands down the best team in the country, as you say, then losing to them by 3 points at home (most feel that home field is worth anywhere from 3-6 points) again lends creedence to the rematch.

That game was amazing. Great performance by heart, kudos to Michigan's performance. As an Ohio State fan, I couldn't have asked for a better game.

All that bullshit you spew about not being like "typical Michigan fan" goes out the window with dumbass comebacks like that.

Uhhh, I could come in here and say so and so like a Michigan fan but I won't cuz I'm not like that. Bullshit, you just did and you are.

Dude, shut up. I came here and was cool about the whole thing. Gave Michigan more props than you've ever given State. Given the shit I've taken on this site after MSU losses, I had every right to come here and rub all kinds of salt in your wounds, but I didn't. Still a UM fan had to rip into me, even when I took the high road. So, I'm going to respond. I would expect you to do the same.

So don't give me this shit about being the same as you guys because I didn't say a word. If you don't want me to say one bad thing, than tell cranky boy to shut the fuck up.

Don't take your frustration out on me. It's not my fault that your team has lost 5 of its last 6 to Ohio State.
careful with the stones from your glass house green cock gagger. how many games did MSU pornstar fellatio slobber knob cock GAG(aka choke) away again?:inquisitive: you deserve every bit of my bitter big ten vent for trying to spin what i had no trouble seeing. nothing personal, but i didnt ask you to spin it and didnt feel like taking kindly to it in my ever so bitter moment.[smilie=burgerking.: Like a guy trying to console the death of your friend by saying"well he was gonna die anyways if you spin it to my perspective". you're silently gloating, fine but you are gloating. And with a sub .500 team at that. keep your stones to yourself.


outside of uxka and Denny, if your stones arent atleast even dont throw 'em. Even if you're trying to hide it in Classless "i'm not classless like ya'll, but..." lol

So don't give me this shit about being the same as you guys because I didn't say a word. If you don't want me to say one bad thing, than tell cranky boy to shut the fuck up.
dont fuck with the cranky man(not boy:grin: ). and expect cranky to be my middle name this week :P

Fuck Sparty

careful with the stones from your glass house green cock gagger. how many games did MSU pornstar fellatio slobber knob cock GAG(aka choke) away again?:inquisitive: you deserve every bit of my bitter big ten vent for trying to spin what i had no trouble seeing. nothing personal, but i didnt ask you to spin it and didnt feel like taking kindly to it in my ever so bitter moment.[smilie=burgerking.: Like a guy trying to console the death of your friend by saying"well he was gonna die anyways if you spin it to my perspective". you're silently gloating, fine but you are gloating. And with a sub .500 team at that. keep your stones to yourself.


outside of uxka and Denny, if your stones arent atleast even dont throw 'em. Even if you're trying to hide it in Classless "i'm not classless like ya'll, but..." lol

I think I understood some of this post.

I think I understood some of this post.
heres a translation.

Fuck Sparty

I considered saying a lot of things here. One poster here had a George Mason logo for their avatar months ago. So I considered switching to a Buckeye. Moodini was nice enough to post "Wisconsin owns MSU" after State lost last year in bball. So I considered a similar post about OSU. And instead of giving Final Four props, Jethro ripped MSU for losing their FF game. So I considered talking about UM always losing the big one. And I even had another person here leave the sports section on my doorstep after UM beat MSU last year, so I thought I would be just as ignorant and leave them my Saginaw News tomorrow morning.

But, I've been taking pride in saying that I'm not like ignorant Michigan fans. Therefore, I will give Michigan props for a great season. This is the best team they've had since 97. Huge bounce back year for them and I give them props for that. Their D is stellar, English is awesome, and they are a great team.

What a backhanded compliment. You pretty much said everything you wanted to say, but then said, "I'm not going to say that". What a joke.


Don't take your frustration out on me. It's not my fault that your team has lost 5 of its last 6 to Ohio State.

But, then you just came out and said it, like we all expected.

What a backhanded compliment. You pretty much said everything you wanted to say, but then said, "I'm not going to say that". What a joke.



But, then you just came out and said it, like we all expected.

I didn't want to follow in your footsteps, act ignorant, and attempt to pour salt in the Michigan wounds as you have toward us in the past. Had I just said that without listing examples, you probably would have conveniently forgotten all of the things the Michigan faithful have done/said here to pour salt in our wounds.

So yes, I did point out all of those things on purpose because I wanted to point out the fact that you guys act like dicks and I wasn't going to follow. That's why I posted my entire paragraph of props. Next time, I'll just say what I want.

If thats what you call giving props, then thank you for swearing to never do it again. [smilie=blaha.gif] [smilie=burgerking.:

Troy Smith was just better than anybody else on the field. I am hard pressed to think of a college athlete who's bitter rival should rejoice more than Michigan when said athlete (Smith) graduates.

Troy Smith was just better than anybody else on the field. I am hard pressed to think of a college athlete who's bitter rival should rejoice more than Michigan when said athlete (Smith) graduates.
there we go, a guy who doesnt hide his shit talking. :) [smilie=reporter.gi:

In likewise we'll be sad to see Drew Stanton leave. His choke jobs were a pleasure as of late.

You can't argue how good Smith is. No question he was the best player on the field.

there we go, a guy who doesnt hide his shit talking. :) [smilie=reporter.gi:

In likewise we'll be sad to see Drew Stanton leave. His choke jobs were a pleasure as of late.

No shit talking from this Spartan, but you can take it that way if you want. I actually figured Michigan was gonna win going in, but I also thought Hart would see 35+ carries.

Both teams are great and had a hell of a battle. Props to both schools and much respect, especially for T. Smith. I can only dream of Stanton having been the leader and player Smith has been.

No shit talking from this Spartan, but you can take it that way if you want. I actually figured Michigan was gonna win going in, but I also thought Hart would see 35+ carries.

Both teams are great and had a hell of a battle. Props to both schools and much respect, especially for T. Smith. I can only dream of Stanton having been the leader and player Smith has been.

Nick, don't even bother dude. We've both given props and they still bitch about it. Let's face it, Michigan fans don't know how to win or lose classy.

We try to give them a little credit and they even bitch about that. If we came here and talked shit, they would've bitched about it. We give a little props and they bitch about that too.

They just come off as bitter fans to me.

Michigan didn't lose because of not giving Hart carries. They lost because they tackled worse than the Lions.

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Discussion over.

Nick, don't even bother dude. We've both given props and they still bitch about it. Let's face it, Michigan fans don't know how to win or lose classy.

We try to give them a little credit and they even bitch about that. If we came here and talked shit, they would've bitched about it. We give a little props and they bitch about that too.

They just come off as bitter fans to me.
That's so full of shit.
After the game I came on here and spoke about how it was a good game and the better team won. It's been all the spouting of shit afterward that I've had to respond to that makes it seem like we can't lose with class. Read my original post after the game and you've got it all right there.

That's so full of shit.
After the game I came on here and spoke about how it was a good game and the better team won. It's been all the spouting of shit afterward that I've had to respond to that makes it seem like we can't lose with class. Read my original post after the game and you've got it all right there.

Yeah, I'll do that if you read my original post and see that I didn't talk shit either! I gave props.

Did I mention the things that UM fans have done in the past? Not to provide a backhand compliment. Because I did not want those things to be forgotten and point out the fact that I had every right to pour salt.

I did not say one bad thing until I was provoked and even then it was one comment.

Yeah, I'll do that if you read my original post and see that I didn't talk shit either! I gave props.

Did I mention the things that UM fans have done in the past? Not to provide a backhand compliment. Because I did not want those things to be forgotten and point out the fact that I had every right to pour salt.

I did not say one bad thing until I was provoked and even then it was one comment.

Since I'm not part of the argument, I'll play the role of referee here. You did give michigan props at first Tre. Then when Gutz complained about us losing you said something like :

don't complain to me. it's not my fault you lost to OSU 5 out of 6 tries.

Then things errupted from there. You sortof fanned the flames with that comment. if you would have simply said it's not your fault U of M lost to OSU...that would have been different. Instead you brought up past failures, which can only be viewed as a shot at U of M. I would expect a U of M fan to take that as an insult. You took it beyond the one game, and now you two are arguing again.

I could care less. Debate is fun. but don't say you were prevoked when you started it with the 5 of 6 comment.

Since I'm not part of the argument, I'll play the role of referee here. You did give michigan props at first Tre. Then when Gutz complained about us losing you said something like :

don't complain to me. it's not my fault you lost to OSU 5 out of 6 tries.

Then things errupted from there. You sortof fanned the flames with that comment. if you would have simply said it's not your fault U of M lost to OSU...that would have been different. Instead you brought up past failures, which can only be viewed as a shot at U of M. I would expect a U of M fan to take that as an insult. You took it beyond the one game, and now you two are arguing again.

I could care less. Debate is fun. but don't say you were prevoked when you started it with the 5 of 6 comment.

I definately started it with the 5 of 6 comment and I did that on purpose. I tried to be cool about the game and when I get somebody being a dick saying things like "I could care less what you think" than I'm not going to be cool anymore. Had he not posted his dickhead post towards me, I wouldn't have said a word.

HE STARTED IT!!!

I definately started it with the 5 of 6 comment and I did that on purpose. I tried to be cool about the game and when I get somebody being a dick saying things like "I could care less what you think" than I'm not going to be cool anymore. Had he not posted his dickhead post towards me, I wouldn't have said a word.
happy to know i irked you. hopefully this means you'll try your spin your postgame devil's advocating elsewhere next time. The way I saw it was I felt like being a bitter prick to someone who wanted to dispute what I saw. [smilie=burgerking.:

If you were gonna give props, then give it and move on. But the "well actually you could say the same about any play, and OSU got screwed too" came at a time where i didnt really care for that garbage. Again i asked you not to take it personally. You did it seems. oh well can't change that, enjoy the week Tre.:mccosky:

Provocation of Argument!!!

Ban him like Taymelo banned DM![smilie=Francis]



Or T him up like Sheed.


BTW, why isn't there a David Stern emoticon?

happy to know i irked you. hopefully this means you'll try your spin your postgame devil's advocating elsewhere next time. The way I saw it was I felt like being a bitter prick to someone who wanted to dispute what I saw. [smilie=burgerking.:

If you were gonna give props, then give it and move on. But the "well actually you could say the same about any play, and OSU got screwed too" came at a time where i didnt really care for that garbage. Again i asked you not to take it personally. You did it seems. oh well can't change that, enjoy the week Tre.:mccosky:

I have a general rule that I follow when it comes to WTF. Come strong with guns a blazin' and remember in the end that it is just WTF. I never take anything personal on here. I just always fire back. Some of my best friends are here and we rip each other to shreds and then kick it the same night. It's all good fun.

i know, which is why i had no regrets about chugging my bitter pain of losing at you..[smilie=rip.gif] this ncaa forum is not the place to be sensitive and i know you guys never are. [smilie=DAVE.gif] There was also a lil' tongue and cheek in me telling you i'm being bitter while i'm being bitter. ;)

lol

BTW, why isn't there a David Stern emoticon?
it was banned by david stern
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Michigan-Ohio St. pulls in biggest TV audience in 13 years

BRISTOL, Conn. (AP) -Top-ranked Ohio State's victory over No. 2 Michigan drew the biggest television audience for any regular-season game in 13 years.

ABC's broadcast pulled in a 13.4 rating, which translates to 14.96 million households and 21.77 million viewers. That's the biggest audience and rating for a regular-season college football network telecast since Florida State at Notre Dame on Nov. 13, 1993.

The figures for Saturday's game are according to Nielsen Media Research.

This was the second time this season ABC has televised a No. 1 vs. No. 2 matchup. On Sept. 9, Ohio State beat second-ranked Texas. That game averaged an 8.2 rating, and was seen in 9.1 million households.

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