Not sure of the exact vote but it wasn't good.

I still say it'll be the Las Vegas Kings.

I still say it'll be the Las Vegas Kings.
over stern and his future replacements dead bodies. or when vegas gets rid of its sports betting areas...neither will happen IMO.

I hate to say it but I think a Vegas team would leave every other teams fans/staff fearing every road game into that stadium for reasons that have nothing to do with the team theyre playing.

over stern and his future replacements dead bodies. or when vegas gets rid of its sports betting areas...neither will happen IMO.

A team in LV makes big money. I don't see Stern turning it down. We shall see.

A team in LV makes big money. I don't see Stern turning it down. We shall see.
it gambles big money too on NBA games. its also the sports betting capital of the world. i know the average person doesn't care. but a league like the nfl and nba who are campaigning image as a big deal, its no good.


Well, we have historically been against having a team in Las Vegas as long as they continue to take betting on NBA games. It's up to the owners ultimately to decide where that's a policy they want to continue, but I don't see any change in that policy in the short term. But, I've been wrong before.
so two things would have to happen. Nba betting would have to be banned in vegas and the owners would have to vote for it.

part 2 is possible, but part 1 isnt likely. They make a substantial amount of money in nba sports bets. banning it in vegas? don't see it. but like he said he's been wrong before so hope yourself sideways that all that happens. but don't expect it to happen. [smilie=blaha.gif]

Stern, wrong!?! Never.

cant say whether it will happen, but stern shouldnt let it. if the league is so concerned about its reputation, putting a team in vegas should be the last thing he does. c'mon. if these guys are finding ways to get into trouble in indianapolis and portland, imagine what they'd do in vegas.

There's betting everywhere. Bookies are everywhere. Didn't the casino's prohibit betting on UNLV BBall games for a long time and finally got the OK form the NCAA? I could be wrong on that, but if the NCAA is Ok with it, the NBA will be soon to follow. Pete Rose found a way to gamble on his team in Cinci.

It's one thing to make a college kid turn for 5 or 10 or 20 grand, but it would take a lot of money to make an NBA player turn a game, at least one who could significantly affect the outcome. We're talking a couple hundred grand at least, the kind of money that it would be very difficult for any kind of gambling syndicate to put down in that they'd have to be laying more than a few million to make it worth their while.

Any kind of shenanigans at that level would be easily tracked and seen in Vegas casino sportsbook gambling. Honestly, I think Vegas would be the safest place to have a team to avoid any kind of gambling scandals. They could require so many regulations and disclosures that it would be almost impossible for a fix to go down, at least without being found out. I'd be more worried about the syndicates in NYC than Vegas.

A team in Las Vegas doesn't neccessarily make a ton of cash. Vacationers don't buy season tickets and while there is plenty of cash to buy out luxury boxes, who's attending Vegas v Charlotte games? I'm not saying its untenable, I'm just saying its not a slam dunk. I remember watching a sports documentary about UNLVs championship period. The local writer they spoke to said that while they were successful it was a party, but when they weren't at the top it was a grave yard. Now thats true for a lot of places so its not a stop sign per se, but its not like people in Vegas don't have anything else to go do for entertainment.

LV isn't just a vacation spot anymore. Its been one of the fastest growing cities in our country. If Sacramento can sell out Kings games, LV surely can.

LV isn't just a vacation spot anymore. Its been one of the fastest growing cities in our country. If Sacramento can sell out Kings games, LV surely can.
you can't comparing sac town to Las Vegas? you can't be. LOL..Because its not even close. the people of scaramento don't have entertainment on the level of vegas to go to if the team sucks ass.

Is comprehension an issue with you?

dont get pissy about it. LV is the entertainment capital of the US and someone here even spoke on how empty UNLV games has been since they lost their elite status. Its no knock on Sac town though. just not comparable to vegas.

That was my point. Someone said something like who would go to LV games, kind of implying, it was just vacationers there. I meant to stick up for LV. "IF SACRAMENTO can sell out Kings games, SURELY a growing city like Las Vegas can.

Sacramento is prolly the smallest city that has an NBA team. We sell out but we are small. Sac can't hold a candle to LV in much of anything...especially entertainment.

If I have time I'll search LV's growth over the last 10 years. I bet its mind bogling.

That was my point. Someone said something like who would go to LV games, kind of implying, it was just vacationers there. I meant to stick up for LV. "IF SACRAMENTO can sell out Kings games, SURELY a growing city like Las Vegas can.

Sacramento is prolly the smallest city that has an NBA team. We sell out but we are small. Sac can't hold a candle to LV in much of anything...especially entertainment.
Maybe the overall San Antonio area is smaller these days. I've heard that the Sacramento area is growing fast and furious. I've been to Sacto a few times. Arco is one of the few places that gives it any color. It's not a very exciting place, for the most part. Despite it being the home of California government, it's the place that feels the least extreme of anywhere, at least to me. You could probably forklift much of Sacto into the Metro Detroit area and not feel a big culture clash, which couldn't be said of San Francisco or Orange County.


If I have time I'll search LV's growth over the last 10 years. I bet its mind bogling.
Vegas (and Nevada in general) has evolved into retiree heaven. There's no state income tax, not too much potential for natural disaster, and it's a cheap flight for all the family to come visit. Don't just judge Vegas by The Strip. It just gets harder and harder for Stern to ignore.

If I have time I'll search LV's growth over the last 10 years. I bet its mind bogling.
since i have family there and have been several times, i know all about it. i also get the feel of an environment that has better things to do than watch basketball. unlike sac town. just my take though and agree to disagree.

I get the feeling that something in what I'm saying is taken as a defense of Sacramento. Sacramento is ok, and thats as far as I'll go. Some great golf courses.

It seems whenever you get a state gov't located in a city, its doesn't have the flair of other cities the same size. When we want to get crazy, San Francisco is an hour away, Reno/Lake Tahoe and hour away, and we used to finish up Racquetball friday nights and jump on a plane to LV drink all night and be home sometime Saturday. Sac is a nice little town, and I've made good money on its RE so I don't hate it, but I agree, somewhat boring. About to get more boring when the Kings leave.

Reread your post ...comprehension not a strength of mine...I finally get what you are saying...there is SO MUCH to do in LV that they won't be attending LV KIngs games. Sac is boring so anything will draw a crowd. I get it now.

Can't disagree, but if the Kings win I bet the residents will support the team. A team give a city an identity, something that all the new residents might be looking for.