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Matt
10-25-2006, 01:07 PM
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World Series Game 4

Detroit (1-2) at St. Louis (2-1), Wednesday 8:00 p.m. ET



ST. LOUIS -- The only time Jeremy Bonderman has faced the Cardinals, the 23-year-old right-hander didn't get the win, but he was borderline dominating in Detroit's win over St. Louis on June 25.

You would think striking out eight Cardinals in seven innings, including six during the first four, would be quite a confidence boost, but Bonderman doesn't think his success in his one career start against St. Louis will count for much when he faces the Cards again in Game 4 of the World Series on Wednesday night at Busch Stadium.

The Tigers trail the best-of-seven series, 2-1.

"The thing about this team is we don't dwell on losses," Detroit first baseman Sean Casey said. "We've got Jeremy going tomorrow, and we'll put [Tuesday's loss] behind us and get after it tomorrow."

Bonderman rang up all of the Cardinals' big guns at least once in that game, getting Albert Pujols on a fastball, Scott Rolen twice on sinkers and Jim Edmonds on a fastball. At one point, Bonderman set down seven straight Cards batters in order.

"That was [at Comerica Park] and it was a while back; this is a completely different situation," Bonderman said. "I don't think it applies at all, to be honest with you. It's a long time ago. I can't really remember too much of it.

"I know what he [Pujols] does. I know the impact he can have on a game. If I have a base open, I'm not going to be afraid to walk him. But if the situation calls for it, I will pitch to him and I won't be scared to do it."

Bonderman will need that good movement on his fastball again if he is going to repeat his June success. Another key will be how well he holds down the top of the Cardinals' order, particularly shortstop David Eckstein.

"I know their main guys, and they have got some guys that are up front with Eckstein and whoever they bat second," Bonderman said. "Those are two guys you've really got to concentrate on to try to avoid having people on base with Pujols coming up behind them. You've got Edmonds and Rolen, Juan Encarnacion -- you've got some good hitters.

"I don't really try to overanalyze these guys, because they're all human. They all make outs. You've just got to go out and attack them, try to put them on the defensive."

Bonderman averaged 8.5 strikeouts per nine innings, the third-highest single-season mark in franchise history. He racked up 202 strikeouts, the first Tiger since Jack Morris (208 in 1987) to top 200 strikeouts in a season. Bonderman did it with an outstanding fastball and an aggressive approach to pitching.

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"The way I pitch, I'm going to go inside, I'm going to throw breaking balls, elevate it," Bonderman said. "I'm going to do what I can to keep him [Pujols] off balance and not let him sit with one."

Bonderman hasn't pitched since he started Game 4 of the American League Championship Series against Oakland on Oct. 14. The 11-day layoff is twice as long as any he's had between starts this season, which raises the question as to whether it will be a factor.

Bonderman isn't worried about it, and neither is Detroit manager Jim Leyland.

"I have all the confidence in the world in our staff; they brought us to the World Series," Leyland said. "So if I'm worried about that now, I've got problems. So I'm not worried about it. I am concerned a little bit, as I said, because I just don't think you know quite what to expect when they have had a long layoff."

For Bonderman, there will be one other difference this time against the Cardinals. He'll get to bat and try to end his 0-for-19 career hitless streak.

"I wouldn't say I've come close to a hit," Bonderman said.

Matt
10-25-2006, 01:09 PM
someone needs to step up and get some hits. i think Nate Robertson was our best batter (next to Casey) last night :(

Let's GO TIGERS!!!!

Tigers: 3 Cardinals: 1

i hear grumblings about Vance Wilson for tonight? not sure what it was, but i heard his name.

WTFchris
10-25-2006, 02:39 PM
My proposed lineup for tonight (assuming no subs):

1. Polanco (he's not hitting at #3, maybe this will spark him)
2. Monroe (hitting well here)
3. Casey (he's been solid)
4. Maggs
5. Pudge
6. Guillen
7. Inge
8. Granderson
9. Bondermania

we need a hitting spark badly.

MoTown
10-25-2006, 02:51 PM
I would move Guillen up to 3. Here's why: He is our best hitter. At this point, the Cards can pitch around him because he has nothing behind him. Pudge is back to free-swinging. Inge can't hit but once every 10 at bats. Casey is good but not a deep threat. The Cards can afford to not pitch well to Guillen, so let's change that.

Here's my proposed lineup:

Granderson
Polonco
Guillen
Ordonez
Monroe
Casey
Pudge (if he truly is a "team player" he'll allow this move)
Inge
Bondo

That would give us the spark we need. However, In Leyland We Trust.

WTFchris
10-25-2006, 03:14 PM
BTW, I was listening to 1270 at lunch and Art said he got the weather report from St Louis. Apparently there is a good chance they have a 2 hour rain delay in the middle of the game tonight. But, they almost have to get the game in because the weather is worse tomorrow.

b-diddy
10-25-2006, 05:22 PM
thing with the tigers style is that they look great in a win and pathetic in a loss. i also think this is a front running team, and prone to letting the wheels fall off when things go bad.

making tonight an absolutely must win game, imo.

Matt
10-25-2006, 05:25 PM
in case anyone's interested, the WTFD.com Chatroom (http://wtfdetroit.com/chat/flashchat.php) is always open for the game (pistons or tigers).

i won't be around tonight, unfortunately.

Kick some serious ass tonight, Tigers.

H1Man
10-25-2006, 06:10 PM
Critical game today.

Can't let the Cards go up 3-1.

H1Man
10-25-2006, 06:15 PM
Lineups for Game 4:


Detroit Tigers

1. Curtis Granderson, center field
2. Craig Monroe, left field
3. Carlos Guillen, shortstop
4. Magglio Ordonez, right field
5. Sean Casey, first base
6. Ivan Rodriguez, catcher
7. Placido Polanco, second base
8. Brandon Inge, third base
9. Jeremy Bonderman, pitcher

St. Louis Cardinals

1. David Eckstein, shortstop
2. Chris Duncan, right field
3. Albert Pujols, first base
4. Jim Edmonds, center field
5. Scott Rolen, third base
6. Preston Wilson, left field
7. Yadier Molina, catcher
8. Aaron Miles, second base
9. Jeff Suppan, pitcher

Matt
10-25-2006, 10:57 PM
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Owned.

Matt
10-26-2006, 12:04 PM
Game 4, take two.

i guess it's time to play the "who does this hurt more, the Tigers or the Cards?" game.....

WTFchris
10-26-2006, 02:23 PM
Helps the Tigers bats (Pudge needed another day off) and the Cardinals pitching (they want to skip Reyes next game) at the same time.

Last time the delay sparked us, hopefully it does again.

MoTown
10-26-2006, 02:31 PM
I don't think it hurts the Tigers - there was no momentum there to begin with.

DrRay11
10-26-2006, 02:58 PM
I don't think it hurts the Tigers - there was no momentum there to begin with.

Werd. [smilie=sayitaintso:

Matt
10-26-2006, 08:24 PM
GAME ON!!!

H1Man
10-26-2006, 08:47 PM
HR CASEY!!!

Matt
10-26-2006, 08:48 PM
PUDGE GOT A HIT!!!!!!!!!!![smilie=shootingsol:

Matt
10-26-2006, 08:50 PM
HELL YEAH!! Pudge advances to 2nd. great play.

H1Man
10-26-2006, 08:51 PM
Nice head's up play by Pudge.

Matt
10-26-2006, 08:54 PM
Bondo-battlin'

damn. is it me or does Bonderman look like he's got a decent swing?

H1Man
10-26-2006, 08:57 PM
Bonderman worked the count better than any of our hitters.

Matt
10-26-2006, 09:04 PM
looks like Bondo's got a good snap in his pitches tonight.

i agree H1Man, you'd like to see some our other hitters make Suppan work tonight.

H1Man
10-26-2006, 09:05 PM
Whew!

Rolen almost hit that one out.

Matt
10-26-2006, 09:06 PM
WHEW!!!!

:eek: that was close. the whole stadium wanted that one gone. damn, that looked gone to me.

Damn.....Pudge gets hit again!? what shitty luck.

UberAlles
10-26-2006, 09:08 PM
Pudge is gay.

H1Man
10-26-2006, 09:09 PM
Pudge can't catch a break.

And Bondo is not getting that call on the outside corner.

Matt
10-26-2006, 09:09 PM
Pudge is gay.

Pudge.......packer? or was that too obvious? :grin:

Matt
10-26-2006, 09:13 PM
great shot by Granderson!

H1Man
10-26-2006, 09:20 PM
2 on 1 out for Maggs.

Great AB Maggs.:furious2:

Matt
10-26-2006, 09:22 PM
CA-SEY!!!

CA-SEY!!!

CA-SEY!!!

H1Man
10-26-2006, 09:22 PM
Casey delivers...again.

2-0 Tigers.

Matt
10-26-2006, 09:24 PM
Pudge has come alive!! RBI single!

H1Man
10-26-2006, 09:25 PM
Pudge is so good at going to the right field.

It's when he tries to pull pitches that he gets in trouble.

Matt
10-26-2006, 09:33 PM
DAMNIT, Guillen shoulda had that one.

H1Man
10-26-2006, 09:37 PM
Damn.

Eckstein with a 2 out double to score Miles. 3-1 Tigers.

Matt
10-26-2006, 09:43 PM
nice......way to get out of that one w/ Pujols at the plate. that could have gotten much uglier, very quickly.

Matt
10-26-2006, 10:01 PM
3-2 Tigers still lead.........too close for comfort.

H1Man
10-26-2006, 10:43 PM
Bonderman is pretty pissed that he is being pulled out of the game.

Rodney coming in.

Matt
10-26-2006, 10:43 PM
Bondo was piiiiiiiiiiiissed

H1Man
10-26-2006, 10:44 PM
If there was ever a time to turn a DP...this is it.

Matt
10-26-2006, 10:50 PM
RODNEY!!! HELL YEAH!!!

that was fucking brilliant.

once again, Leyland w/ the midas touch.

H1Man
10-26-2006, 10:52 PM
That was fucking tense.

Rodney was awesome!!!

Matt
10-26-2006, 10:54 PM
LOL.....the man love between Bonderman/Leyland and Bonderman/Pudge was tear jerking.

Matt
10-26-2006, 10:56 PM
damn, great catch by Preston.......:furious2:

H1Man
10-26-2006, 10:56 PM
We have to score a few runs here. The score is too close for comfort.

Edit: Wilson with a great play in the outfield.

H1Man
10-26-2006, 11:00 PM
Guillen is fucking pimp.

Matt
10-26-2006, 11:00 PM
Guillen steals second!


edit:
maggs strikes out..........COME-ON CASEY!!!!

H1Man
10-26-2006, 11:02 PM
Damn Maggs, atleast make some contact.

Matt
10-26-2006, 11:04 PM
shiet.....game's too damn close. feels like we're getting out of innings by the skin of our teeth.

H1Man
10-26-2006, 11:11 PM
FUCK! FUCK! FUCK!

Matt
10-26-2006, 11:11 PM
SHIT!!!! Granderson fell!

Matt
10-26-2006, 11:14 PM
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

OMG, i saw that one coming [smilie=veryangry.g:

game tied 3-3 on a Rodney error.

H1Man
10-26-2006, 11:14 PM
Are you kidding me?

H1Man
10-26-2006, 11:16 PM
WTF is with our pitching staff making so many errors?

Matt
10-26-2006, 11:16 PM
WTF is with our pitching staff making so many errors?

everyone except Kenny Rogers........he was all over the place.

fucking A.

Matt
10-26-2006, 11:19 PM
jeez, i wanted to push that lady w/ the lit up glasses over the ledge....

H1Man
10-26-2006, 11:21 PM
A DP here would be nice.

Matt
10-26-2006, 11:23 PM
there you go, Rodney......settle down and get these mofos out.

H1Man
10-26-2006, 11:25 PM
Fuck!!!

Matt
10-26-2006, 11:27 PM
son of a bitch. need to string together a huge inning.

OMG this is so stressful...

H1Man
10-26-2006, 11:29 PM
I think we might have had a play at the plate if Inge didn't cutoff the throw.

Matt
10-26-2006, 11:30 PM
nice, nice Pudge!! he's been on today.

LET'S GOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i was wondering that too, H1Man, when i saw Monroe's throw.

H1Man
10-26-2006, 11:32 PM
Leadoff double for Pudge. We have to bring him home.

Matt
10-26-2006, 11:33 PM
Polanco advances Pudge (the tying run) to third.

COMEOOOONNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!

H1Man
10-26-2006, 11:36 PM
The Cards bringing in Wainwright to close the deal on this game.

H1Man
10-26-2006, 11:37 PM
INGE!!!!!!!!!

Matt
10-26-2006, 11:37 PM
INGE!!!!!!!!!!!
INGE!!!!!!!!!!!
INGE!!!!!!!!!!!
INGE!!!!!!!!!!!
INGE!!!!!!!!!!!
INGE!!!!!!!!!!!
INGE!!!!!!!!!!!
INGE!!!!!!!!!!!
INGE!!!!!!!!!!!

Matt
10-26-2006, 11:38 PM
holy SHIT, i thought he homered, LOL

H1Man
10-26-2006, 11:39 PM
I would've preferred to see Thames here.

Matt
10-26-2006, 11:40 PM
I would've preferred to see Thames here.

i would rather have seen Bonderman batting, lol.

H1Man
10-26-2006, 11:45 PM
Granderson needs to spend the entire offseason learning how to hit a curveball.

Matt
10-26-2006, 11:45 PM
i'm going to go into cardiac arrest soon

Matt
10-26-2006, 11:47 PM
comeon Zumaya.......four straight balls.

H1Man
10-26-2006, 11:47 PM
Zumaya looks like he doesn't have any control today.

H1Man
10-26-2006, 11:53 PM
Another fucking error.[smilie=banghead.gi:

Edit: Nevermind.

Matt
10-26-2006, 11:55 PM
damnit. a fucking inch away.

H1Man
10-26-2006, 11:56 PM
FUCK.

Nice effort by Monroe though.

Matt
10-26-2006, 11:59 PM
well, this is it..........got to come up big this inning.

H1Man
10-27-2006, 12:01 AM
This umpire fucking blows.

H1Man
10-27-2006, 12:05 AM
Down to the last out.

Matt
10-27-2006, 12:05 AM
fuckingmotherfuckersonofabitch

H1Man
10-27-2006, 12:06 AM
Well, that was a quick AB.

Matt
10-27-2006, 12:06 AM
damn, h1man........just a few plays like Granderson's fall and Rodney's error made the difference. shit.

excuse me while i vomit before i go to sleep.

DrRay11
10-27-2006, 08:37 AM
Hot damn. I couldn't sleep until about an hour after the game last night because I was so fucking pissed off. As you may tell, I'm still fucking pissed off. The thing I don't like is that the Tigers look like they were defeated last night even though there's some games left, unlikely as it may be. They looked fucking defeated. Fuck.