I went to the game last night, and saw one other preseason game. I have a few thoughts about this team so far...

1) Hasek looks bad. He made mistakes he has always made (misplaying the puck behind the net and not recovering). The problem is that when he was out of position he couldn't get back fast. He nearly cost himself more than the 2 goals he did. Maybe it's just rust, we'll see. I was good last year before getting hurt, so it will depend on which Hasek we get I guess.

2) The defense is very solid. Best in the NHL I think. Cheli doesn't look any older and plays good positional D. He was also directing traffic a ton (something you wouldn't see on TV unless the camera was pointed on him). The young guys should benifit a lot from this. Nick is Nick. Kronwell and Lebda were both solid but also jumped into the play well too. Guys like Hank and Pavel did a good job of covering when they jumped up (something Larionov used to always do when he was here). Lilja also played pretty physical. Not Scott Stevens or Konstantinov physical, but at least Fischer like.

3) The offense was pretty good, especially for not playing all the regulars. Williams looks to have a good year getting Shanny's minutes beside Zetterberg. Hank and Pavel looked good too. They had a lot of attempted plays that could have panned out and didn't because of good defense and solid goaltending by Minnesota. The checking line was good too. Norton looked slow though, I doubt he contributes much. the younger guys looked a little lost (Fitipula and can't remember the other one). They showed skills but were not in good position a lot. That will probably come around.

All in all, I was impressed with the caliber of hockey with Stevie, Shanny and a couple other guys gone. I think the young guys will probably be just as good as the vets, and with higher cielings too.

nice write up, Chris. i'm not a huge hockey guy, but the first hand accounts are a good read.

0-11 on the PP this year
and the 2nd worst PK %...........not off to an exceptional start

They did well on special teams last night. I only caught the third period, but they scored PP and SH goals last night. Their defense has been very good this year IMO.

Since when did the Wings start playing dump-and-chase hockey?

I am not sure that the Wings have enough speed to actually make that work. They should just stick to the puck-possession offense.

Since when did the Wings start playing dump-and-chase hockey?

I am not sure that the Wings have enough speed to actually make that work. They should just stick to the puck-possession offense.

No fucking shit. Babcock made his money that way but its getting rediculous. We don't have forwards who can go down and consistantly win battles against the boards. We have guys like Hank and Pavel trying to be scrapers along the board.

Puck possession is how the Wings have won, what they have built this teams personel around and the only way they will be able to succeed in the NHL.

2) The defense is very solid. Best in the NHL I think. Cheli doesn't look any older and plays good positional D. He was also directing traffic a ton (something you wouldn't see on TV unless the camera was pointed on him). The young guys should benifit a lot from this. Nick is Nick. Kronwell and Lebda were both solid but also jumped into the play well too. Guys like Hank and Pavel did a good job of covering when they jumped up (something Larionov used to always do when he was here). Lilja also played pretty physical. Not Scott Stevens or Konstantinov physical, but at least Fischer like.

Chelios is terrible. He knows where he is supposed to be, he knows what he is supposed to do. He does not have the ability to do it anymore. He has no speed whatesover. He isn't physical. He can't clear the net.

Kronwall has totally unimpressed me. He came in with accolades out the ass in international play and frankly I don't see it. He's not bad by any sense of the imagination, but he has not been what he was previously billed to be.

Lilja is maybethe worst defenceman outside of Pittsburgh playing in the NHL. He is no physical. He is not skilled. He is screwed now that he isn't playing with Nick. He sucks. Like sucks bad.

Thank God for Markov and Lebda.

Chelios is terrible. He knows where he is supposed to be, he knows what he is supposed to do. He does not have the ability to do it anymore. He has no speed whatesover. He isn't physical. He can't clear the net.

Kronwall has totally unimpressed me. He came in with accolades out the ass in international play and frankly I don't see it. He's not bad by any sense of the imagination, but he has not been what he was previously billed to be.

Lilja is maybethe worst defenceman outside of Pittsburgh playing in the NHL. He is no physical. He is not skilled. He is screwed now that he isn't playing with Nick. He sucks. Like sucks bad.

Thank God for Markov and Lebda.

I have only seen one game (in LA) since I went to that game, and they were terrible. I haven't seen any other games with the Tiger's playing all the time. I agree Cheli has lost a lot of speed though.

Believe. They won't be great, but they will compete all season. It's a new era...no Stevie, but they will do the best that they can.

yzerman was the red wings.. they dont feel the same w/o him.

I dont know what there attendence situation is, but it never looks full

I dont know what there attendence situation is, but it never looks full
The attendance situation is that the only people that can afford tickets are people that don't give a shit about anything other than being wherever the new coolest place to network is. And its not the Joe anymroe. So all of the suits that have season tickets just don't bother coming anymore.

So hows the team lookin guys? I dont get to see any games at all, ever. I know the record is good, judging by points allowed it looks like the defense is good. But how do they look? Are they elite? Still putting the post-Stevie mold together Im assuming? Is the low opponent scoring goalie play or defense? Toss me a nugget or two if you dont mind.

i posted my thoughts in the "9 games" thread.

WTF is wrong with Datysuk and Zetterberg?

Their offense has completely disappeared.

WTF is wrong with Datysuk and Zetterberg?

Their offense has completely disappeared.

Hank has been decent IMO. Pavel looks like he's doing too much. He kept on trying to beat his man twice when he had already beat him. Pavel is outhinking himself. He needs to just make one move and keep going. I think he's trying to be too fancy. I've only watched half the games this year maybe, but I haven't seen Pavel do anything good yet.

WTF is wrong with Datysuk and Zetterberg?

Their offense has completely disappeared.
Hank's wrist is still bothering him, you can tell. Datsyuk is just trying to do way too much. I fully expect both of them to break out and when they do the PP will bounce back as well.

Speaking of Datsyuk, this is from Mlive:


The Wings made center Pavel Datsyuk a contract offer. He rejected it, and his agent, Gary Greenstin, made a counter-offer. The Wings rejected that.
"We had quite a difference of opinion and we agreed we'll table (talks) for now,'' Holland told Booth Newspapers. "We're far enough apart that there's no negotiations going on.''
The Wings have had difficult negotiations with Greenstin the last two times Datsyuk's contract was up. Two Russian clubs started a bidding war for Datsyuk prior to the 2005-06 season. He eventually signed a two-year deal with the Wings for $3.9 million a season.
Datsyuk is eligible for unrestricted free agency next summer. Holland has been trying to get him signed to a long-term deal.
"I never moved from my offer,'' Holland said. "After a long period of time, they countered. They have no interest in my offer, I have no interest in their offer. Let's let the season unfold.''