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Glenn
09-07-2006, 01:21 PM
From Pistons insider DANA GAURUDER.

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http://www.theoaklandpress.com/stories/090706/spo_2006090738.shtml


Dumars: Fat Cats' doomed Pistons' title hopes
Web-posted Sep 7, 2006

DANA GAURUDER
The Oakland Press

Pick a theory, another theory. We heard plenty during and after the Pistons' playoff collapse last season.

1. The Empty Tank Theory: The starters played too many minutes during the season. Add that to all the intense playoff games their legs and minds were subjected to the previous four seasons and they were burned out.

2. The David Stern Conspiracy Theory: Eager to get the league's young superstars in prime time during the playoffs, Stern and the league's rules makers stole away the Pistons' aggressiveness on defense. The offi cials coddled LeBron James and Dwyane Wade, not allowing the Pistons to bump or breathe upon them. Lacking such a player, the Pistons didn't get the same whistles.

3. The Ugly Blemishes Theory: Opponents exploited the Pistons' weaknesses and they couldn't adjust. They lacked a guard with penetration skills, they didn't have enough depth and their center couldn't make a shot or a free throw.

4. The Big, Bad Ben Theory: Ben Wallace's demand to be a bigger part of the offense caused a rift between him and coach Flip Saunders, wrecking the Pistons' lockerroom chemistry.

5. The Need For 'Sheed Theory: Rasheed Wallace's bum ankle neutralized their best all-around player and placed a heavier burden on the other starters.

There's some truth in all of the above, but, after a summer's worth of reflection, Joe Dumars has come up with an explanation that trumps all others: The Fat-Cat Theory.

The way the team's president of basketball operations sees it, the team just got full of itself. As the regular-season wins piled up, his regulars crossed the line from swagger to cockiness. They felt a sense of entitlement, believing another NBA championship was something they deserved rather than something to be earned.

"I thought we lost our edge," Dumars said. "I thought we stopped being the hunters and we accepted being the hunted and you can't do that. You have to maintain your edge, you have to maintain your hunger and you always have to walk out on the court and have the mentality I've got something to prove here tonight.' "

When did that air of contentment seep in? It didn't happen in one game or one week. But when the accolades started piling up, when four starters got chosen for the All-Star Game, when serious comparisons were being drawn between them and the Bad Boys, they tossed the blue-collar identity in the trash.

"We felt as a group You know what? We'll get there again. We'll turn it on and get there again,' " Dumars said. "When you do that, you end up losing. Miami had the edge. They were hungrier than us (insert Shaq joke here -BG)and that's why they won. Simple as that."

Whatever theory you buy into, the Pistons will head into training camp as a humbler unit. Hard to believe, but two-a-days are only 3 1 /2 weeks away, around the same time the Tigers' playoff run is expected to begin and the Lions are expected to be mathematically eliminated from the Central Division race.

Of course, the Pistons will enter the After The 'Fro Era as just another Eastern Conference contender. The Heat will be favored to repeat, at least as conference champs. Division rivals Cleveland, Chicago and Indiana have upgraded their rosters and look like serious threats to pass the Pistons in the pecking order.

That's just fine by Joe.

"The more the guys read about us losing Ben and how we're going to fall off," Dumars said, "the better for me."

Dumars didn't feel the need to take drastic measures after Ben went running to the Bulls and their $60 million offer. He added a veteran journeyman in Nazr Mohammed to fill the center spot. He brought in Flip Murray at a bargain basement rate to improve the bench and the team's ability to get to the basket.

He expects 2005 first rounder Jason Maxiell to start making his mark. He anticipates Saunders will feel more comfortable and freer to institute changes that some of the veterans resisted last season.

Oh, and one other thing. The fats cats will be gone and the hunger will return ... or else.

"That will be my theme for the whole year," Dumars said. "If you don't have an edge with you, this is not the place for you. We have no place here for people who are content, fat and happy. That just won't work for me."

Fool
09-07-2006, 01:31 PM
I've got mine.

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b-diddy
09-08-2006, 12:22 AM
he also picked the lions to go 9-7.

joe, you had a good run, but i think your time has passed.

(j/k, and i agree with him about our problems last year, but i'll dispute him turning ben's loss into a positive. ben undoubtedly was not, nor ever has, been a fat cat. there were fat cats, but ben wasnt one of them)

Uncle Mxy
09-08-2006, 06:21 AM
This sounds like JD playing motivational head games, nothing more or less.

My suspicion is that this message is mostly for Chauncey, who epitomized "losing his edge" during the playoffs.

Higherwarrior
09-08-2006, 09:39 AM
well whatever the reason, ben did not play with his usual intensity all year long. maybe he was unhappy the rest of the team was not playing D like before. who knows why?

but our main problem was our mental approach to things. i said it all year when we were breaking records- we were not going to win if we were just going to be a jumpshooting team and if we were not going to defend and rebound like before. then in the playoffs you could see how overconfident and full of ourselves we were. we thought we were invincible and we rarely showed up to play like we were capable of.

i worry a lot of what feeds that attitude is fueled by sheed. i love him but he more than anyone seems to have that mental approach.

i always hated our overconfidence and our 'we can come back from anything' attitude. it cost us at least 1, maybe 2 additional championships IMO.

we should have capitalized on what we had. don't get me wrong- we had a great run and we did win a title. but we should have won AT LEAST 2, probably 3 of them. we had it all and we screwed it up.

and BTW- i don't think joe is playing any motivational head games with anybody; i think he's just telling it like he sees it, as he so often does. joe is a straight shooter and doesn't play games.

Uncle Mxy
09-08-2006, 10:23 AM
Saying his team is a bunch of fat cats to the media seems like a game. Whether or not he actually believes that, it's certainly not something for a GM to say about most of their current roster to some news reporter. Honestly, if Dumars really felt that way, why not trade for some "hungry" players and blow the team up? Does anyone think of Rip, Tay, and Dice as "losing their edge"?

He's trying to light a fire, which isn't bad as head games go, but it's a game.