Is Chad Henne a candidate? According to Rivals, he is.

http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?cid=572307

No Stanton? An outrage.

When was the last time 2 Louisville Cardinals were in the top 10 on anyones Heisman hopeful list?

By the way, while I agree he has tools and weapons, how do they get off putting someone from a Lloyd Carr offense who isn't returning kicks in a Heisman list? You know already that half the passes he'll throw will be two yards across the line clear to the sideline with a couple blockers ahead and one juke making or breaking the play.

No Stanton? An outrage.

When was the last time 2 Louisville Cardinals were in the top 10 on anyones Heisman hopeful list?

By the way, while I agree he has tools and weapons, how do they get off putting someone from a Lloyd Carr offense who isn't returning kicks in a Heisman list? You know already that half the passes he'll throw will be two yards across the line clear to the sideline with a couple blockers ahead and one juke making or breaking the play.

I couldn't agree more. The truth hurts.

Big Ten Quarterbacks in my opinion
1) Stanton (If you think its cornbread, just switch 1 and 2 in my list, but scout says Stanton is a Top 10 NFL pick next year)
2) Troy Smith
3) Drew Tate
4) Henne

They list 1 or 2 Wolverines every year as canidates, ESPN had Henne in their Top5 canidates last year. Then that comes to a screeching hault once UM plays their first road game and Lloyd tosses out 99% of his playbook as he tightens up.

Just so that we don't get off track with this post, here are my top 4:
Quinn
T. Smith
Ginn
Peterson

jon stocco lol

I'm telling you, everyone is pimping Ohio State as an amazing offense. To listen to some people, you would think their offense will be comparable to the powerhouse offenses USC has had the last few years.
I absolutely guarantee that the Ohio State offense is as overrated as you can get in the college game. If I'm wrong I'll down a Jones soda.
They scored 40 or more 4 times last year in 12 games, with a high of 48. They scored 392 points for the season, an average of 32.7.
In looking at their schedule, I see at least 5 games in which any top 15 team should score 40 or more. There are 13 games, including the bowl game, so their total points will go up as well. A number of indicators should lead people to the conclusion that their offense is better than last year, but I'm telling you right now that they might not even be one of the top 3 offenses in the Big Ten, let alone the country.

agreed. but they do have the vick of college fb right now. in college, thats enough. OS's offense will be good, but just because of their system it wont be that good as far as points.

I'm telling you, everyone is pimping Ohio State as an amazing offense. To listen to some people, you would think their offense will be comparable to the powerhouse offenses USC has had the last few years.
I absolutely guarantee that the Ohio State offense is as overrated as you can get in the college game. If I'm wrong I'll down a Jones soda.
They scored 40 or more 4 times last year in 12 games, with a high of 48. They scored 392 points for the season, an average of 32.7.
In looking at their schedule, I see at least 5 games in which any top 15 team should score 40 or more. There are 13 games, including the bowl game, so their total points will go up as well. A number of indicators should lead people to the conclusion that their offense is better than last year, but I'm telling you right now that they might not even be one of the top 3 offenses in the Big Ten, let alone the country.

No offense dog, but this is coming from the guy that said Reggie Bush was the most overrated player in college fball about this time last year. haha Seriously though, they have a great qb, 2 great tailbacks, and the most dangerous player in all of college football at wide out. yikes! I don't see that being overrated.

ESPN's Pat Forde also believes Henne is a candidate, along with Hart. He handicaps the field with his top 12 candidates. Henne is 11, Hart 10. As for other Big Ten players, Ginn is 7th and Smith is 3rd. (A Peterson and B Quinn round out the top 3).

Here's what he writes about Henne and Hart.


11. Chad Henne, QB, Michigan

Strike the Pose: He's started every game since he's been on campus and appears well on his way to becoming Michigan's career passing leader -- at a school that had five quarterbacks in the NFL in 2005. If the Wolverines stage a renaissance in 2006, it could easily be because Henne made it happen -- and he could reap the rewards.

Spike the Pose: Henne was only seventh in the Big Ten in passing efficiency last year and completed less than 50 percent of his passes in four of Michigan's five losses. If those numbers don't improve, neither will his Heisman stock.

Numbers Game: Henne needs to produce more wins, first and foremost. Michigan hasn't had double-digit victories since he arrived. Individually, it would help to keep pace with the Quinns, the Leaks and the Brohms, which means something in the neighborhood of 3,000 yards and 30 touchdowns, with at least a 60 percent completion rate.

Circle the Dates: On Sept. 16, Henne goes head-to-head with August Heisman favorite Brady Quinn in South Bend. At season's end he goes head-to-head with another Heisman front-runner, Ohio State's Troy Smith. Outplaying them would boost his stock tremendously.

Hype Meter: 9 on a scale of 10. The bright lights find Michigan easily enough. This isn't America's most media-friendly school and it is absolutely gimmick-phobic, but Henne will get all the media attention he can handle if things go well for the maize and blue.

Odds: 25-1. Henne has to prove he can be a great QB without Braylon Edwards as a security blanket. Last year he seemed to miss his go-to target from his freshman season. Then his team has to win like a big-time Michigan team. If those things happen, he's got a chance.


10. Michael Hart, RB, Michigan

Spike the Pose: At 5-foot-8 and a shade under 200 pounds, there isn't much Mike Hart to go around. He was banged up last year and will face durability questions into this year. He'll also have some Heisman competition in his own backfield from Henne.

Numbers Game: If Hart can crank out 1,800 yards and 20 touchdowns for a Michigan team that wins some big games, he could be in Manhattan for the ceremony -- at least.

Circle the Dates: It could hardly be more obvious: at Notre Dame on Sept. 16, and at Ohio State on Nov. 18. Michigan is 0-4 against those two marquee rivals since Hart came to campus, and his total collegiate rushing yardage against the Fighting Irish and Buckeyes is 107 yards in those four games. This would be an excellent time to turn those stats around.

Hype Meter: 9 on a scale of 10. Same as Henne.

Odds: 24-1. Given the durability questions, the competition from his own teammate and Michigan's seemingly annual close loss or two, Hart starts from the outside. But that doesn't mean he'll stay there.

Sweet! 2 top 12 Heisman candidates has me giddy hyped! I'm just ticked I'm not going to be at The Big House for the season opener. UGH!

Like I said, every year they put Wolverine players in the Heisman lists and every year Lloyd Carr eliminates that possibility.

First of all, even though Michigan is apparantly QB U, no Michigan qb will win the Heisman trophy because they don't pass enough. They hand the ball off, especially in big games.

Hart is a great back, but doesn't even come close to touching Peterson.

If you want either one of those guys to have a chance, you better like their chances of beating Ohio State, Iowa, and Notre Dame. Because without those wins, their guys won't have the numbers.

I'm pickin Marshawn Lynch to take home the trophy this season.

I'll try to keep a running record of how Forde's top 12 are doing this year, updated each week. In fact, I'll include his honorable mention picks so we can see Stanton in there, too.

1. Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame
246 yards, 0 TD

2. Adrian Petereson, RB, Oklahoma
139 yards, 1 TD

3. Troy Smith, QB, Ohio State
297 yards, 3 TD

4. Steve Slaton, RB, West Virginia
203 yards, 2 TD

5. Chris Leak, QB, Florida
248 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT

6. Marshawn Lynch, RB, Cal
74 yards, 0 TD

7. Ted Ginn, Jr., WR. Ohio State
123 yards, 2 TD

8. Michael Bush, RB, Louisville
(plays tonight)

9. Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville
(plays tonight)

10. Mike Hart, RB, Michigan
146 yards, 0 TD

11. Chad Henne, QB, Michigan
135 yards, 2 TD

12. Dwayne Jarrett, WR, USC
35 yards, 0 TD

Honorable Mention

Kenny Irons, RB, Auburn
183 yards, 1 TD

James Davis, RB, Clemson
94 yards, 1 TD

Drew Weatherford, QB, Florida State
(plays tomorrow night on every channel even remotely affiliated with ESPN)

Drew Tate, QB, Iowa
223 yards, 3 TD

Drew Stanton, QB, Michigan State
225 yards, 1 TD

JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU
253 yards, 3 TD

Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech
111 yards, 1 TD

Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State
49 yards, 1 TD

Jordan Plamer, QB, UTEP
205 yards, 3 TD, 4 INT

Garrett Wolfe, RB, N. Illinois
171 yards, 0 TD, 114 rec yards, 1 TD


I would say Slaton, Smith, Irons and Russell had the best weeks. Everyone is pretty much still in the race with the possible exception of Palmer. I don't think you can throw 4 picks in your first game and still be an option for Heisman, especially if you also have to overcome the fact that you play at UTEP.

Lynch is dead IMO.

Damn, I thought SpartyNick's prediction was a solid one. That got blown to pieces in wk 1.

Who is Forde?

Don't forget to track those quarterback rushing stats Jethro, they might not make the Jethro meter, but we all know everybody else counts em (wink wink) haha

Forde is Pat Forde. If you read ESPN a little more instead of places that think State will go 10-2 you would know that. And I'll record QB rushing info when it's significant. I'll record TD's and I'll update it every 100 yards. Fact is your whack QB barely got over on Idaho. Not a Heisman candidate.

By the way, did anyone see the tragedy last night?
Michael Bush was running away with the Heisman, with well over 100 yards and 3 TD's in THE FIRST HALF. Then on the 2nd play of the 2nd half he broke his leg. Out for the season. That likely killed Brohm's chances as well, since he won't be able to throw any passes to Bush that Bush will rack up for him and because every defense will play to stop the pass now with no respect for the run.

Forde is Pat Forde. If you read ESPN a little more instead of places that think State will go 10-2 you would know that. And I'll record QB rushing info when it's significant. I'll record TD's and I'll update it every 100 yards. Fact is your whack QB barely got over on Idaho. Not a Heisman candidate.

By the way, did anyone see the tragedy last night?
Michael Bush was running away with the Heisman, with well over 100 yards and 3 TD's in THE FIRST HALF. Then on the 2nd play of the 2nd half he broke his leg. Out for the season. That likely killed Brohm's chances as well, since he won't be able to throw any passes to Bush that Bush will rack up for him and because every defense will play to stop the pass now with no respect for the run.

Not sure I understand the cocky response. I think I just posted a light hearted comment and question. Maybe your pissed because your coming off the worst season in 20 years and your team looks like they suck again. Pretty cocky response from somebody who's team was in a drag out 13-7 game with powerhouse Vandy well into the 3rd quarter. Sad thing is, you supposably have the football school and you don't have a Heisman canidate either. Henne? Riiiight. Sailing passes over the heads of wide open receivers in the end zone isn't going to win you anything. Hart? Yeah, he would definately be a canidate if it was a 6 game season and he could avoid playing against ND, OSU, and Wisconsin. And if you could somehow turn injuries off like an EA game.

Jealous.

I noticed you referred to Stanton as a "whack quarterback." If he's "whack" then what does that make Henne? Stanton is one of the Top 3 quarterbacks according to everyone. I guess that makes him "whack."

I'll take my QB's production against a mediocre SEC defense vs your QB's production versus a horrible WhACk (literally) defense any day.

And as for my cockiness when my team was unimpressive? Well, they were 14th in the country and only 2 teams in front of them lost, both coming at the hands of other ranked teams. So if they were that unimpressive they would either stay the same, drop, or barely move up, right?
Well, the votes are in and they jumped into the top 10. That's where the cockiness comes from. Writers are realizing that in spite of less-than-stellar wins, the Wolverines are back and still (children, cover your ears because the word is about to come out for the first time this season) ELITE!

By the way, to further the significance of Stanton's inability to dominate Idaho, you might want to note that on ESPN.com's Bottom Ten, Idaho was a runner up to making the list of 10 worst teams in college football. Ouch.

LOL at Pat Forde and his safeness. And LOL at Corso for not believing just how very good USC is this year. Forget Leinart and Bush -- it's a system, and this system is going to feature a new set of RB's in Chauncey Washington and CJ Gable, who's gonna be fucking unbelievable as a true freshman.

No big numbers by any SC player against the Hogs, since the ball was spread around evenly. But look for their next game against the 'huskers. If Washington can blow out a 100+ yard game against a rejuvenated Nebraska defense, watch Pat Forde say "well, I knew about this kid all along".

Fuck a Forde.

LOL @ Jethro. Jethro, you keep posting like this and you are going to have 0 credibility. You posted, "Michigan is back!" because of a less than impressive win over Vandy. LOL @ Jethro. Then you make a post about Stanton being whack. LOL @ Jethro. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you didn't watch the game against Idaho. Stanton played just fine. He had a defense (MSU's D) that was keeping him off the field, not to mention a dropped TD that was in the numbers. Act like you have some football intelligence and quit trying to attack a great qb based on what his defense did.

You stink of jealousy when it comes to Stanton. I think it pisses you off that lowly MSU has a better qb than "Quarterback U" We all know Stanton is great. Let it go.

Ok, Saturday afternoon update.

- You can officially take Henne off the list. He really looked better today, but it's clear that the erection the coaches get from this zone blocking scheme means that Michigan is even more committed to the trun than they have been in recent years. Henne's game today with no TD's and under 200 yards should not be a criticism oh his ability, but it should show you what the offensive game plan is. Potential Heisman talent, but it isn't going to be Quarterback U play-calling this season. The only way I retract this statement is if he goes for over 350 and 4 TD in a big win over Notre Dame next week, and that's not going to happen.

- so the play calling actually helps Hart's chances, right? Not necessarily. The 100 + today with 3 TD was nice, but he had fewer than 20 carries. That's not going to be enough touches for a Heisman unless he averages over 10 ypc. Now in closer games I'm sure you won't see Jackson or Simpson. Minor will get their carries in a late game if Michigan is up 2 scores. Those guys will only play again if there are injuries or if it's against Illinois. Look for Hart to end up with 24 or so carries per game against the Big Ten, on average. I'm just not sure that will do it for him unless he has multiple TD's in 9 of the 10 remaining games.

- Auburn's Irons cooled off a bit today, with under 100 yards and no TD's. He's not for sure out of it, but he'll have to come back with a massive effort to stay near the top.

- Slaton still looks very good. Only 8 touches but over 100 yards and 2 TD to tack on.

- Louisville is a machine.

"Whack" Stanton looked pretty good yesterday! 254 yds, 10 straight completions at one point. 5 Total Touchdowns! Not bad for a bad quarterback eh?

Hopefully after next weekend's games I'll be able to update the YTD stats for that whole list.
Just one note right now. Louisville got hit with injury again. In their route of Miami they lost Brohm. 4-6 weeks I think. That should mean he's back in time for the West Virginia game. That could be a very big game.

Stanton was just flat out awesome yesterday. 200 yds passing and 2 tds (Another TD flat out dropped in the endzone ugh!) and 100 yds rushing and another TD.

This was a combination of the Stanton of 04 and the Stanton of 05. In 04 he carved up opposing defenses with his feet. Injury bug scared the coaches and he was forced to pass only last year. Now they are letting him do both and Pitt looked like a bunch of frustrated confused clowns out there trying to stop him. I loved it.

As you can see in my profile I believe Stanton is the best QB in the country, so he should be a Top 5 Heisman canidate until his team decides to mail in the rest of the season (that should be coming within the next couple of weeks). I was questioned by Moodini on my belief that Stanton is the best in the country awhile back and I was just waiting for Quinn to melt down to back up my belief. Stanton on the other hand was down, bad start, against a Pitt D with two All Americans on the road and he fought back and took the game over. He's better than Quinn, Quinn just happened to be on media darling ND. Quinn was horrible, Stanton shined.

Stanton was just flat out awesome yesterday. 200 yds passing and 2 tds (Another TD flat out dropped in the endzone ugh!) and 100 yds rushing and another TD.

This was a combination of the Stanton of 04 and the Stanton of 05. In 04 he carved up opposing defenses with his feet. Injury bug scared the coaches and he was forced to pass only last year. Now they are letting him do both and Pitt looked like a bunch of frustrated confused clowns out there trying to stop him. I loved it.

As you can see in my profile I believe Stanton is the best QB in the country, so he should be a Top 5 Heisman canidate until his team decides to mail in the rest of the season (that should be coming within the next couple of weeks). I was questioned by Moodini on my belief that Stanton is the best in the country awhile back and I was just waiting for Quinn to melt down to back up my belief. Stanton on the other hand was down, bad start, against a Pitt D with two All Americans on the road and he fought back and took the game over. He's better than Quinn, Quinn just happened to be on media darling ND. Quinn was horrible, Stanton shined.

OK, OK, cornbread Charlie. There's a little bit of a difference between Michigan's defense and Pitt's. Fricking Pitt was under .500 last year, didn't go to a bowl game and they play in the whack-ass Big East. Troy Smith is hands down the best QB in the country, and we might as well just give the Heisman to Adrian Peterson right now. Or maybe we could give it to this guy!
http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/883/F211098.jpg
Cornbread! HA!

I agree there is a difference between Pitt and Michigan. But, I bet Stanton plays better against U of M than Brady did.

I think your statements are cornbread. You don't want to name a Spartan as the best in the country. You were sooo sure Quinn and Smith were above Stanton weeks ago. Then Quinn went out and annihilated his own Heisman hopes with a dreadful performance. Now you are sooo sure Smith is above Stanton. Well, Stanton played much better than Smith in their meeting last year. I guess only time will tell if that remains the same.

Lets not confuse what I"m saying with who will win the Heisman. I said from the start of the season that Stanton does not have a shot because of his team. My pick would be Troy Smith too. However, I believe Stanton is the best QB. He unfortunately is stuck on an average team. I'd love to see what Stanton could do with some of the nation's best talent around him.

I would still take Quinn over Stanton. Michigan's D just had an amazing day and rattled him.

What a surprise! Moodini not giving a Spartan the nod. I'll take it for what it is worth, I remember Moodini giving a State player props twice in his life. Neither were football players. And both didn't receive props until after they left State.

Let me just say this:
Can you imagine how insane it would be if just one team had Stanton, Hart, Ringer, Manningham, Reed, Breaston and Davis on offense, running behind a line built with guys like Martin, Miller and Long and John L. as the coordinator?
How about if the defense had Woodley, Burgess, Hall, Wiley, Warrick, Harris, Biggs and Ryan with Ron English as the coordinator.
As much as everyone hates the idea of co-existing, you have to admit that team would kill people. (of course, combine USC and UCLA or Aubrn and Alabama or any 2 Florida schools, etc and you can make an equal or greater argument, but considering the supposed talent level this state kicks out of their high schools and how far it is rated behind other states, I think we do a damn good job). Too bad Carr has his head too far up his ass to open up the offense, Smith is too nuts to put together a solid defense, and that school in E. Lansing grabs an occasional talent away from the real football school of the state.

I've never thought about that before. I would absolutely love it if both schools actually became one. But...what would we argue about then...? haha

So you are saying, "What if college football was the same as college basketball in this state?" [smilie=shootingsol:

hilarious! haha

So you are saying, "What if college football was the same as college basketball in this state?" [smilie=shootingsol:

Fool, you are really living up to your name playa. What happened in Ann Arbor last year?

Um, the Horton-rines choked away an NCAA tourny invite and then fell on their face in the NIT final. Your point?

LOL! I was thinking the maize and blue clowns marched into the dungeon and walked away with another NIT berth haha.

Back on topic-

I think the Heisman is Troy Smith's to lose right now, with Adrian "A.D." Peterson a close second.

I'm also really interested in the Bilitnekoff award this year. It should be pretty interesting with Manningham's rise, Jarrett, Calvin Johnson, and Ginn.

Back on topic-

I think the Heisman is Troy Smith's to lose right now, with Adrian "A.D." Peterson a close second.

I'm also really interested in the Bilitnekoff award this year. It should be pretty interesting with Manningham's rise, Jarrett, Calvin Johnson, and Ginn.

Manningham and Ginn = VERY VERY Good.

Jarrett and Johnson = flat out RIDICULOUS.

My bet is on Johnson.

You can put Ginn in that ridiculously amazing category.

You can put Ginn in that ridiculously amazing category.

Manningham too? Over 100 yards in 3 straight games and 6 TDs in the 3 games Michigan actually threw the ball. WOW! :eek:

If he had done ANYTHING in that game against Troy, I would be putting Calvin Johnson all alone in that top category, with the others just behind him. I didn't see the game and have no idea why he only had 2 catches for 9 yards, but I think he's the most dominant WR in the game.

By the way, I think Brady Quinn is doing all he can to make people forget his 4 turnovers in the Michigan game. If he continues to go over 300 each week, I think a strong performance and victory over USC wins the voters over. I'm not saying I agree with that, but I think it's true.

Is Manningham a legit candidate for the Heisman? He has 8 TD's in his last 4 games and is on pace for 18 TD's, not bad for a WR. He currently leads the nation in receiving touchdowns with 9.

Here are his stats at the midway point of the season.

24 rec, 527 yds, 22.0 ypc, 69 long, 9 TD.

Does he have a case?
http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/883/F218205.jpg

nope...no chance...sorry, not with other good WR's as upper classmen..i still say he doesnt have a chance for the biletnikoff...

nope...no chance...sorry, not with other good WR's as upper classmen..i still say he doesnt have a chance for the biletnikoff...

Definitely not now with the injury......GOD, things were going so good.[smilie=sayitaintso:

While Manningham is great Moodini, you have to be unreal to win the Heisman as a receiver. You have to do multiple things. You've got to be a great return guy in addition to being a great receiver.

If a receiver is going to win the Heisman, you gotta get 100 yds and minimum 2 tds a game from him EVERY game and you need a few returns for tds, and his team must go undefeated with him as the best player.

well how bout mike hart now? peterson went down, so he's out. does that make hart the best back in the country? if UM goes undefeated, and hart has a strong finish, i think he gets in the talk.

marshal lynch is probally the top guy or the back from arkansas.

hart just doesnt put up enough of a highlight reel to get in the running.

Here's the deal with Manningham. If he hadn't been hurt, the best he would have potentially finished is maybe 1,300 yards and 18-20 TDs. I agree with Tre that numbers like that, without any other substantial contribution, probably won't get you the Heisman unless you have a TON of preseason hype for the award.
As for Hart, 100 yards in 6 of 7 games (91 yards in the other) but no 200 yard games and very few TDs. He would have to go over 200 in a couple of the remaining games with at least 1 TD in each game, but more than likely multiple TDs in each game to even have a shot. With the depth they have at RB he won't go over 200 in a blowout, so he would have to put up Biakabatuka numbers to top it off against Ohio State.
I just don't see it happening.
Personally I still think Quinn will work his way back into the discussion.
So Quinn and Smith invited to NY, but who else? Well, if Hart does take care of what I wrote above and Michigan beats Ohio State, he just might end up with an invite.
Looks like Garrett Wolfe had a horrible game today to hurt his chances.
Nobody from USC has been healthy enough.
Maybe Steve Slaton from W Virginia will get a call if they manage to beat Louisville.

isnt OSU suspect at stopping the run?

if its #1 vs #2 and theres all the hype in the world for the game, and then hart absolutely blows up on OSU, i think his stock could skyrocket (not that i think he will be in the running to win it, but like you said, an invite seems realistic).

I could easily see Hart getting invited along with Quinn, Slaton, and Troy Smith. If Smith beats Michigan, it's his, if not.....who knows?

My guess on the 5:

Quinn
Smith
Slaton/White
C. Johnson
Some POS from the west - Jarrett? Lynch?

Johnson is a freak, but he's all or nothing. Too many no-show games. Lynch would be more likely than Jarrett since Jarrett has been hampered by injuries. Cal would need to beat USC though, more than likely.

If Michigan beats OSU hart will be there. If not and WVU is a BCS team it will probably be slaton. If OSU runs the tables and beats U of M, Smith has it locked up.

I just watched my recording of College Gameday Final and I'm not hyping this guy's credibilty, but Doug Flutie had Chad Henne as his #3 candidate for the Heisman. I don't buy it, but it's tight to hear.[smilie=respekt.gif]

Not a chance for Henne. Flutie is just a big fan of QB's that don't pile up yards but do get TD's. But how can anyone hype Henne when he averages 185 yards a game? The only time QB's like that get Heisman hype is when they also rush for 100 yards per game and a TD or two. Maybe if Henne had 25 TD passes as well, but he has 14, only 2 per game.
Seriously, he would have to AT LEAST double his numbers (keep in mind his current stats are through 7 games, so he would have to reproduce them in only 5 additional games) to be considered. That would give him 2,600 yards and 28 TD. Nice, but not Heisman. Henne has already put up similar numbers to that in his first 2 seasons (average of about 2,630 yards and 24 TD in his first 2 seasons).
If Hart goes pro after this season and Henne stays, and as a result they have to go back to the air a bit more, and Henne turns out 3,200 yards and 30+ TDs because of it, while leading Michigan back to a BCS game, they might give him an invite as sort of a lifetime acheivement (he would be over 10,000 yards and 100 TD for the career). Otherwise, I really don't think he's a candidate.

Hey, undefeated and possible national champion QB's are always going to get some hype, and deservedly so. Damn it feels good to say that about our boy Chad. [smilie=groove.gif]

just for shits n giggles, i looked up some B10 QB stats. i was totally joking when i threw out Stocco at the beginning of this thread, and i know it wont happen, but just for numbers sake:

Name CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
Smith 116 170 1495 68.2 8.79 58 17 2 7 172.75
Stocco 101 162 1389 62.3 8.57 58 12 2 9 156.34
Henne 95 159 1299 59.7 8.17 69 14 4 9 152.40
Quinn 148 233 1634 63.5 7.01 62 16 4 15 141.66

i threw in Quinn just since he had so much preseason hype and ND is practically B10 for extra comparison. like i said i know Stocco wouldnt even get considered, but hes better across the board compared to Henne. of course Smith leads the pack.

(apparantly the forum doesnt recognize TABs or double-spaces, i tried both ways. sorry the stats are a bitch to read)

Actually, if Wisconsin wins the rest of their games (they don't play Ohio State and they've been killing people) I think Hill might get some love. That would happen way before Stocco. Hill is over 1,000 yards with 11 TD right now. Just think about it. If their only loss was to Michigan and Hill put up another 800+ yards with 8-10 more TD, wouldn't he have to get some consideration?

yeah hill is pretty damn good. if im correct he had 100 yards in the first quarter of the last two games. i think a vote for him will be more likely in a year or two, but if wisc wins out and he gets big numbers i could see him getting some hype. i know stocco wont ever get mentioned, i was just pointing out some numbers.

Well, ESPN.com's Heisman watch as of today has Hart 5th, behind Smith, Quinn, Slaton and Ray Rice of Rutgers.
Interestingly, Henne is 10th, one ahead of Hill. I don't agree with that myself. I think Hill has to be higher than Henne.

Thanks for the reminder, I forgot to check that. I can believe the Henne over Hill right now because Henne has a couple seasons of, not even hype, just visibility in the college scene whereas Hill is a newcomer. If Hill was doing it for a team that also had more preseason hype I could see him having a higher ranking but Wisconsin has been quite the surprise to most people, ie Peterson busting out in OK. For at least one of those reasons thats why I figured he will have more talk in the next couple years.

PS. Stocco still statistically over Henne :rolleyes:

If John Stocco ever takes a snap in the NFL I'll buy you 5 lunches UxKa...LOL.

Well Sorgi and Bollinger have taken snaps, so I have to like my odds there. Where we goin? :grin:

Right now, after all the games that have been played so far, my top 5 would have to be:
1 - Troy Smith - I've been a hater but it's just too hard to argue anymore. Like most people have siad, he's THE guy right now, but the race probably hinges on his performance against Michigan.

2 - Brady Quinn - Everyone wondered where Quinn went. They were excited to talk about how washed up he was. Well guess what? Quinn's team has only lost once and his numbers are sick again. They'll only get more and more gaudy the next 3 weeks. If USC is still top 15 when they play and Quinn torches them, he'll have an argument.

3 - Mike Hart - I'm doing it based on the leadership factor. The numbers still aren't quite there, but even on a crappy day when the box is stacked and teams are forcing Michigan to run, he runs. Outside of the defense, he's the reason Michigan is undefeated.

4 - Steve Slaton - he might be higher but WVU hasn't played a real game. If they beat Rutgers and Louisville he can punch his ticket to NY.

5 - Woodley - homer pick. He changes games, period.

I can agree with that.

I wonder if the loss last night removes Slaton. Slaton still looked solid from what I saw though. He has a ton of elusiveness (not as much as Bush maybe, but he's got moves and patience to wait for the hole). I think he'll be a good back in the NFL.

Here's the top 5 from si.com-

1. Troy Smith
2. Mike Hart
3. Brady Quinn
4. Colt McCoy
5. Steve Slaton

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/gene_menez/11/06/heisman.watch.1106/index.html

How can players who stunk in the biggest games of their season really be considered Heisman candidates.

The real Heisman winner broke his collar bone.

I agree that the guy who easily could have won the Heisman is injured, but if you're referring to Peterson I disagree. I think Michael Bush would have been Smith's biggest competitor had he stayed healthy.

Troy Smith. [smilie=locked.gif]

I absolutely agree. If Notre Dame beats USC then Brady Quinn will have the last shot to impress people, but unless he goes for 450 yards and 5 TD he shouldn't be taking any first place votes away from Smith. Emphasis on "shouldn't". I don't trust former Irish winners to do the right thing with their vote.

No point in talking about who will win. Smith is a lock.

Where will Hart fall? I'm not that impressed with Quinn myself. I've only watched two of his games (michigan and USC), and he looked average in both. Great skills, but doesn't make the plays that Smith does when it matters most.

I thought Slaton was looking like he had a lot of momentum for #2, but their last game was pathetic. Hart's 3 TD against OSU will be overlooked since it was a shootout and his yardage numbers haven't been massive. Hart is Rudi Johnson. Always the same. Rarely overwhelming, but never a bust.

Most voters that I have heard speak about their ballots are saying that they have Troy Smith at 1 (most think he's a 100% lock to win it) and Mike Hart at 2.

OSU at 1, UM at 2, hmmm.

Well I see that Hart didn't even get an invite to NYC for the Troy Smith coronation.

If a Michigan fan didn't know any better, he might think there is some sort of widespread anti-Michigan conspiracy going on lately.

So it's Smith, Quinn and McFadden? How does McFadden make it over Hart?

McFadden: 1,557 YDS | 14 TD | 10 REC | 130 YDS | 1 TD

Hart: 1,515 YDS | 14 TD | 15 REC | 127 YDS | 0 TD

And Hart's team is has 1 loss while McFadden's has 3. I think they are a coin flip with those stats, but the tie should go to the team with the better record. Hart lead his team to the Rose Bowl, McFadden to the Capital One Bowl (granted they had no QB for a while).

If anything, they should both be invited but McFadden got 3 times the votes in the Heisman watch.

So it's Smith, Quinn and McFadden? How does McFadden make it over Hart?

McFadden: 1,557 YDS | 14 TD | 10 REC | 130 YDS | 1 TD

Hart: 1,515 YDS | 14 TD | 15 REC | 127 YDS | 0 TD

And Hart's team is has 1 loss while McFadden's has 3. I think they are a coin flip with those stats, but the tie should go to the team with the better record. Hart lead his team to the Rose Bowl, McFadden to the Capital One Bowl (granted they had no QB for a while).

If anything, they should both be invited but McFadden got 3 times the votes in the Heisman watch.

McFadden was on a team without a QB, and was the only reason that team was good. UM was good because of their D. Also, he went OFF againstbig time competition, and he also was Arkansas' best QB even though he was a RB.

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to go (McFadden), or that he's not better than Hart. I'm just saying why wouldn't they invite Hart too? Same numbers on a top 3 team. He wouldn't win, but it would be nice to get an invite.

McFadden has a worse team, but this isn't an MVP contest, it's the best player in football. Both should be there to watch Smith win in a landslide. I actually think Quinn has no business being there. Who did he beat?

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to go (McFadden), or that he's not better than Hart. I'm just saying why wouldn't they invite Hart too? Same numbers on a top 3 team. He wouldn't win, but it would be nice to get an invite.

McFadden has a worse team, but this isn't an MVP contest, it's the best player in football. Both should be there to watch Smith win in a landslide. I actually think Quinn has no business being there. Who did he beat?

No one.

The finalists SHOULD be:

Smith
Ray Rice
Darren McFadden
Mike Hart

IMO.

I know that it will be an interesting race next year. Smith and Quinn are gone, Smith is a lock to win this year. So who do you think will get it next season?

Here are some early favorites, pending whether or not some of these juniors stay for their senior year. Some are sophomores and will be expected to have amazing junior years.

JaMarcus Russell
Early Doucet
Tim Tebow
Mario Manningham
Steve Slaton
Marshawn Lynch
Mike Hart
Ted Ginn, Jr.
Ray Rice
Darren McFadden
Michael Bush
Brian Brohm
James Davis
Adrian Peterson
Colt McCoy
Robert Meachem
DeSean Jackson
Calvin Johnson
P.J. Hill
Branden Ore

Obviously that's a long list, and 5-10 of these guys will go pro. a few may get injured, and so on. But I would be shocked if this list didn't produce 3 finalists next year. It should be another year of amazing regular season college football, before they turn it over to the joke system.

By the way, that list was produced in no particular order and I intentionally left off USC running backs because I'm not convinced that any one of them will get more than 60% of the carries. I probably should have included Jarrett, but he's likely gone. So are several others, but I'm human and I screw up once or twice per decade.

How can Quinn win the best player of the year when Smith was voted the best QB? So the best player in the country isn't the best at his position? I know they are different awards with a different set of voters, but still. Quinn is not the player of the year.


LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. -- Brady Quinn (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=150329) took this round from Troy Smith (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=133648).
The Notre Dame quarterback won the Maxwell Award as the player of the year Thursday night, beating out Ohio State's Smith, the Heisman Trophy favorite.
Quinn, Smith and Arkansas running back Darren McFadden (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=170928) are the finalists for the Heisman, which will be handed out Saturday night in New York.
"Winning this award makes me look forward to Saturday night that much more," Quinn said. "When you go back and look at it, the so-called rivalry between me and Troy pretty much began with last year's Fiesta Bowl. Things just kind of went on from there. He and Darren have both had great seasons, and we've done pretty well for ourselves. We'll just see what happens in New York."
Smith won the Davey O'Brien Award as the nation's best quarterback at the College Football Awards show and earlier in the day was honored as player of the year by the Walter Camp Foundation.

I see that Adrian Peterson has been cleared to play in the bowl game against Boise State. Expect him to run for 180 and 2 scores and to leave for the NFL.

Hey Jethro, who do you feel will be the most overrated player next year?

Just curious to see who's going to be the next Heisman trophy winner. haha sorry, couldn't resist.

McFadden. Then maybe Marshawn Lynch after that.

And ha ha.

McFadden. Then maybe Marshawn Lynch after that.

And ha ha.

McFadden = ridonkulous

McFadden is proof that the 'three years out of HS' rule is BS. Tell me no NFL teams would want him on their team, as starting RB, right now. Most exciting player I've seen this year, slightly edging the Dwayne Jarrett/Calvin Johnson combo.

Quinn Wins Maxwell Award:
You don;t think playing for Notre Dame gets you a bunch of hype?
Consider this: Brady Quinn was just named MVP of the 2010 Super Bowl, and was just given the Nobel Peace Prize for thinking that it's time to settle things between the Jews and the Palestinians.

Consider this tidbit as well:
I saw a poll for Heisman favorites from NEXT YEAR, and incoming Notre Dame Frosh QB Jimmy Clausen was listed at about 24 or 25.
Look out, he's going to break Ron Powlus' record of winning FIVE Hiesman's while at Notre dame.