I thought it might be time to try something new.

This thread is all about understanding racial stereotypes. No jokes or general bullshit, please.

Starting with a certain Lebanese poster's favorite button recently, "blacks and their fried chicken"....

From Wikipedia:

Fried chicken has a dual origin in the rural American South. The Scots, and later Scottish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland) immigrants to many southern states had a tradition of deep frying chicken in fat, unlike their English counterparts who baked or boiled chicken. [1] (http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/08/01/tem_taste01lede.html) Later, as African slaves were introduced to households as cooks, seasonings and spices were added that are absent in traditional Scottish cuisine, improving the flavor. Since slaves were often only allowed to keep chickens, frying chicken as a special occasion spread through the African American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American) community. After slavery, poor rural southern blacks continued the tradition since chickens were often the only animals they could afford to raise. Since fried chicken could keep for several days, it travelled well, and also gained favor during segregation when blacks normally could not find places to eat and had to carry their own food.

And "Blacks and Watermelon"...

Also from Wikipedia:


David Livingstone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Livingstone), an explorer of Africa, described watermelon as abundant in the Kalahari Desert (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalahari_Desert), where it is believed to have originated. There, the ancestral melon grows wild and is known as the Tsamma melon (Citrullus lanatus var citroides). It is recognizable by its pinnatifid (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pinnatifid&action=edit) leaves and prolific fruit, up to 100 melons on a single vine. For this reason it is a popular source of water in the diet of the indigenous people, as well as a food for humans and livestock.....

Many sources list the watermelon as being introduced in Massachusetts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts) as early as 1629. Southern (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_South) food historian John Egerton has said he believes African slaves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade) helped introduce the watermelon to the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States). Texas Agricultural Extension horticulturalist Jerry Parsons, Ph.D., lists African slaves and European colonists as having distributed watermelons to many areas of the world.

How about "Jews being cheap"...

From fff.org...


Jews learned by experience to develop skills in professions dependent on intellectual talents - they became teachers, doctors, lawyers, accountants. In a Europe where Jews were always considered resident-aliens, subject to expulsion or expropriation at the whim of the political class, it made sense to have a livelihood not tied to the ground. A Jew in exile could resume his profession and offer a scarce and valuable service wherever expulsion landed him.


These money-handling and intellectual skills often gained favor with political power holders, bringing individual or group protection. Many Jews actually became tax collectors or other government officials and advisors. But it also made Jews hated by enemies of the regime and especially likely to become targets in the event of an overthrow.


For much of European history, dangers of popular resentment made it inadvisable for Jews to display any wealth or even evidence of prosperity. The need to flee at a moment's notice made it a bad idea to keep whatever they had accumulated in immobile forms, and more sensible to have it in gold or jewelry.


Viewed in this light, it is easy to understand the origins of the stereotypes of Jews as being miserly, as cunning and opportunistic money handlers, and as making excellent doctors, lawyers, and teachers.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fried_chicken

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermelon

http://www.fff.org/freedom/0400f.asp

Re: Taymelo.

I find this one very interesting...

Also from fff.org:



One stereotype that is difficult to explain, however, is that of Jews' being politically on the Left. Since the late 1800s, American Jews, for example, have supported political parties and candidates of the "progressive" bent. In the early part of the 20th century, this meant supporting Republicans. Jews voted predominantly Republican into the 1920s. As Roosevelt's New Deal and the Democratic Party took on the cause of the Left, Jews switched parties, with more than 90 percent voting for Roosevelt.


A 1972 survey of Jews in New York called The Ethnic Factor, by Mark Levy and Michael Kramer, found three-quarters to be registered as Democrats. Half described themselves as "liberal," and more than a fourth called themselves "moderate." Jews are overrepresented among the radical Left. Sociologist Ernest van den Haag, in The Jewish Mystique, reports, "Out of one hundred Jews, five may be radicals. Out of ten radicals, five are likely to be Jewish."


http://www.fff.org/freedom/0400f.asp

Ethnic stereotype

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An ethnic stereotype is a generalized representation of an ethnic group, composed of what are thought to be typical characteristics of members of the group. The use of ethnic stereotypes is usually demeaning even when the characteristics might be considered positive because it tends to discount the importance and uniqueness of the individual.
False ethnic stereotypes can gain acceptance as fact through frequent repetition. The use of stereotypes often leads to misunderstanding and hurt feelings, because they may be either untrue generalizations, truthful but unflattering generalizations, or truthful generalizations about a group which are untrue of any given member of a group. Many modern ethnic stereotypes can be described as accurate representations of social norms within a given ethnicity and may reflect what a large portion of the living population is, in fact, doing. Within each ethnicity there is always a minority, or even a majority, that chooses not to reflect the stereotype. But even individuals who do reflect the stereotype may find it negative and offensive.
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A 19th century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteenth_century) children's book (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_literature) informs its readers that the Dutch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands) are a very industrious race, and that Chinese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China) children are very obedient to their parents.


There are many other examples, lists of which can be found at the following articles:

List of common phrases based on stereotypes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_phrases_based_on_stereotypes)
List of ethnic slurs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs)
Stereotype (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype)

See also

Racism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism)
Ethnic stereotypes in American media (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_stereotypes_in_American_media)
Ethnic stereotypes in popular culture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_stereotypes_in_popular_culture)
Ethnic stereotypes in pornography (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_stereotypes_in_pornography)
Racism in Mass Media (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Mass_Media)
Stereotypes of Africans/Blacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_Africans/Blacks)
Stereotypes of Asians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_Asians)
Stereotypes of Europeans/Whites (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_Europeans/Whites)
Stereotypes of Latinos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_Latinos)
Stereotypes of Native Americans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_Native_Americans)
Stereotypes of Near Easterners/Arabs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_Near_Easterners/Arabs)Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_stereotype (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_stereotype)"Ethnic stereotype



I love stereotypes

At least Asian stereotypes, it appears.

I find this one very interesting...


One stereotype that is difficult to explain, however, is that of Jews' being politically on the Left. Since the late 1800s, American Jews, for example, have supported political parties and candidates of the "progressive" bent. In the early part of the 20th century, this meant supporting Republicans. Jews voted predominantly Republican into the 1920s. As Roosevelt's New Deal and the Democratic Party took on the cause of the Left, Jews switched parties, with more than 90 percent voting for Roosevelt.


A 1972 survey of Jews in New York called The Ethnic Factor, by Mark Levy and Michael Kramer, found three-quarters to be registered as Democrats. Half described themselves as "liberal," and more than a fourth called themselves "moderate." Jews are overrepresented among the radical Left. Sociologist Ernest van den Haag, in The Jewish Mystique, reports, "Out of one hundred Jews, five may be radicals. Out of ten radicals, five are likely to be Jewish."


http://www.fff.org/freedom/0400f.asp

American Jews came here because they fled relatively-conservative elements in Europe.

The Dutch that came to West Michigan fled relatively-liberal elements in the Netherlands.



It's not -that- hard to figure out.

Awesome, Thread 5 on the same subject!

I'll add my piece:

http://www.latimes.com/travel/la-tr-insider26mar26,1,1446332.column?coll=la-travel-headlines


Study shows blacks tip less -- but they may have good reason
African American diners asked about the disparity cited economics, upbringing and expectations.
March 26, 2006

"THAT waitress sized us up in two seconds. We're black, and black people don't tip," says Anthony, a character complaining about restaurant service in a scene from "Crash," winner of this year's best-picture Oscar.

That's not just Hollywood talking, a Cornell University associate professor says: Research indicates that African Americans, on average, leave smaller tips for servers than whites do and that they're more likely to leave nothing.

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Professor Michael Lynn's latest report on this topic, "Race Differences in Tipping: Questions and Answers for the Restaurant Industry," issued in January, cites more than 12 studies by himself and others, most of them done since 2002.

Discriminatory service may be a factor, but there appear to be many others.

Poor tips, Lynn says, may contribute to black diners getting poorer service and to companies' reluctance to open restaurants in predominantly black communities, not to mention angering servers and customers alike. And it fuels yet another debate about tipping, always a hot-button topic for travelers.

Lynn doesn't discount the role of anti-black bias in any of these problems. But he mainly sees this cycle at work:

Expecting skimpy gratuities, waiters resist serving African Americans, or they provide poorer service, which discourages blacks from patronizing table-service restaurants. Low tips also make it hard for restaurants in black neighborhoods to attract and retain staff, causing turnover and decreasing profits.

Six years after Lynn, a respected expert on tipping at Cornell's Center for Hospitality Research in Ithaca, N.Y., began to study the racial gap in gratuities, the topic remains taboo, he says.

"It's a problem the industry knows about," says Lynn, who is white. "But the big players with money are afraid to address the issue. They're afraid of being labeled racist."

In an e-mail response, the National Restaurant Assn., an industry trade group in Washington, D.C., issued a statement saying it "commends" Cornell "for addressing disparities in consumer tipping behavior," but it did not specifically address the question of race.

Sue Hensley, spokeswoman for the restaurant association, said the group hadn't researched this issue.

But she said it offers cards to restaurants, for distribution to customers, that calculate 15% and 20% tips for bills of various sizes. When that range became customary is not clear, but it was recommended by travel magazines as early as the 1950s, according to the association.

Gerry Fernandez, president of the Multicultural Foodservice & Hospitality Alliance, a nonprofit group in Providence, R.I., that promotes diversity, finds merit in Lynn's findings.

"There absolutely is a perception that certain groups, African Americans in particular, do not tip as well as whites," says Fernandez, an African American whose grandparents hailed from Cape Verde, an island republic off Africa.

Why black people may tip less is not clear.

Income disparities and discriminatory service may play roles, Lynn says.

But even when black and white customers are in the same socioeconomic class or rate the quality of service equally, he says, several studies by himself and others found that they tip differently. Black diners average 10.9% to 14.7% of the bill, and white diners average 16.6% to 19.4%, depending on the study. The server's race didn't matter.

Black subjects are also more likely than whites to say they never tip servers (6% versus 2%, in one study) and to leave tips as flat-dollar amounts instead of percentages of the bill (50.7% versus 19.4%, in one study).

Lynn thinks the main reason that African Americans tip servers less is that most aren't aware that the usual guideline is 15% to 20% of the bill. In one study, 35.9% of African Americans identified that range as the norm, versus 72.4% of whites.

Research data don't show why African Americans may be less aware of the 15% to 20% guideline, Lynn added. But Fernandez and several black and mixed-raced diners I spoke with recently had no shortage of thoughts on this topic. They often cited economics.

Awesome, Thread 5 on the same subject!

I'll add my piece:

http://www.latimes.com/travel/la-tr-insider26mar26,1,1446332.column?coll=la-travel-headlines

[quote=LAT]
Study shows blacks tip less -- but they may have good reason
African American diners asked about the disparity cited economics, upbringing and expectations.
March 26, 2006

"THAT waitress sized us up in two seconds. We're black, and black people don't tip," says Anthony, a character complaining about restaurant service in a scene from "Crash," winner of this year's best-picture Oscar.

That's not just Hollywood talking, a Cornell University associate professor says: Research indicates that African Americans, on average, leave smaller tips for servers than whites do and that they're more likely to leave nothing.

ADVERTISEMENT
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Professor Michael Lynn's latest report on this topic, "Race Differences in Tipping: Questions and Answers for the Restaurant Industry," issued in January, cites more than 12 studies by himself and others, most of them done since 2002.

Discriminatory service may be a factor, but there appear to be many others.

Poor tips, Lynn says, may contribute to black diners getting poorer service and to companies' reluctance to open restaurants in predominantly black communities, not to mention angering servers and customers alike. And it fuels yet another debate about tipping, always a hot-button topic for travelers.

Lynn doesn't discount the role of anti-black bias in any of these problems. But he mainly sees this cycle at work:

Expecting skimpy gratuities, waiters resist serving African Americans, or they provide poorer service, which discourages blacks from patronizing table-service restaurants. Low tips also make it hard for restaurants in black neighborhoods to attract and retain staff, causing turnover and decreasing profits.

Six years after Lynn, a respected expert on tipping at Cornell's Center for Hospitality Research in Ithaca, N.Y., began to study the racial gap in gratuities, the topic remains taboo, he says.

"It's a problem the industry knows about," says Lynn, who is white. "But the big players with money are afraid to address the issue. They're afraid of being labeled racist."

In an e-mail response, the National Restaurant Assn., an industry trade group in Washington, D.C., issued a statement saying it "commends" Cornell "for addressing disparities in consumer tipping behavior," but it did not specifically address the question of race.

Sue Hensley, spokeswoman for the restaurant association, said the group hadn't researched this issue.

But she said it offers cards to restaurants, for distribution to customers, that calculate 15% and 20% tips for bills of various sizes. When that range became customary is not clear, but it was recommended by travel magazines as early as the 1950s, according to the association.

Gerry Fernandez, president of the Multicultural Foodservice & Hospitality Alliance, a nonprofit group in Providence, R.I., that promotes diversity, finds merit in Lynn's findings.

"There absolutely is a perception that certain groups, African Americans in particular, do not tip as well as whites," says Fernandez, an African American whose grandparents hailed from Cape Verde, an island republic off Africa.

Why black people may tip less is not clear.

Income disparities and discriminatory service may play roles, Lynn says.

But even when black and white customers are in the same socioeconomic class or rate the quality of service equally, he says, several studies by himself and others found that they tip differently. Black diners average 10.9% to 14.7% of the bill, and white diners average 16.6% to 19.4%, depending on the study. The server's race didn't matter.

Black subjects are also more likely than whites to say they never tip servers (6% versus 2%, in one study) and to leave tips as flat-dollar amounts instead of percentages of the bill (50.7% versus 19.4%, in one study).

Lynn thinks the main reason that African Americans tip servers less is that most aren't aware that the usual guideline is 15% to 20% of the bill. In one study, 35.9% of African Americans identified that range as the norm, versus 72.4% of whites.

Research data don't show why African Americans may be less aware of the 15% to 20% guideline, Lynn added. But Fernandez and several black and mixed-raced diners I spoke with recently had no shortage of thoughts on this topic. They often cited economics.

Why are most college kids liberal? And, with that, how do the republicans keep winning elections if these kids can vote?

because we're still better than everyone.

At least Asian stereotypes, it appears.

Nah, I clicked on all of them, I just wanted to see if they listed the small penis one. LMFAO. They do.

Arabs are bombers, and billionairs, and our women bellydance.
Fucking Sweet.

At least Asian stereotypes, it appears.

Nah, I clicked on all of them, I just wanted to see if they listed the small penis one. LMFAO. They do.

Arabs are bombers, and billionairs, and our women bellydance.
Fucking Sweet.


And don't forget generally, I must add that, for fear of getting banned by someone thinking that I meant every arab to ever walk the planet, smell bad.

dont know any of those. I'm Lebanese. We buy perfume and Cologne by the gallons, but only when its on sale. God forbid we pay full price :D

Wow. A certain Syndicate member was right. The maturity level here is at -5.

I'm serious. Post quotes from articles about the origins of stereotypes.




Anthony!

Wow. A certain Syndicate member was right. The maturity level here is at -5.

I'm serious. Post quotes from articles about the origins of stereotypes.

Anthony!

Sorry, It's the internet bro, I'm serious & professional all day, I figured this was a good place to be sarcastic.

The problem with finding quotes, online articles, etc. about stereotypes is that "respected" folks will say damn near anything about anyone. The key is to apply critical thinking. Look past the soundbytes and hyperbole. Consider the source and the message. Look for a spectrum of opinions. Keep an open mind. If you find a stereotype is generally true, ask why.

Having said that, here's a stereotype for you:

"White men can't jump."

And here's an interesting link:

http://www.leaonline.com/doi/abs/10.1207/s15324834basp1903_2;jsessionid=osBFEnsmCg2audxHTZ? cookieSet=1&journalCode=basp

Wow. A certain Syndicate member was right. The maturity level here is at -5.

I'm serious. Post quotes from articles about the origins of stereotypes.




Anthony!

I was serious.[smilie=blank.gif]

Everything here about Lebanese people is true. I should know.




:1. Your mother calls you "Mommy" or "Ma" and your father calls you "Dad"
:2. You have a Sitto always cooking for you
:3. You know what happens when you eat too much Moujadra, Hummous, Tabuli, and
:Kibbeh.
:4. You've heard Amro Diab's "Ya nour el ein" 764363 times in ur life.
:5. You've considered having "EDBTZ" as a Screen Name or License Plate number
:6. You blame the Yahood (jew) for eveything!
:7. And the Abeed (blacks) too
:8. You hear Yahood (jew) and go "Ya herrat deenak" (that goes to far in English, i'll leave it in arabic)
:9. Your refer to other Lebanese as "Cuz"
:10. You refer to older Lebanese as "Ammo" or "Auntie"
:11. Your nose is considered a Lethal Weapon.
:12. You get pissed when an Arab is displayed as a Terrorist in a Movie.
:13. You also get pissed when the Yahood are the good guys
:14. When people enter Mass during Communion
:15. You go to Arabic Resturants, tell the owners your Arab, and think you're
:going to get free food.
:16. You fight over who's going to pay the bill
:17. Your family is over your house all the time
:18. There is no such thing as quiet time
:19. You know there is another meaning for kiss.
:20. You would never call it Pita Bread
:21. You use Arabic bread as a utensil
:22. You think anybody who is not Lebanese is a Harram
:23. The first word you learned was DOW (light)
:24. All the grocery stores and gas stations in your city are owned by
relatives
:25. At least 1 conversation a day is about being Lebanese
:26. You feel proud when anyone famous has LEbanese/Arab blood in them (ex.
:Danny Thomas, Doug Flutie)
:27. Going to church is a fashion show
:28. and a free brunch
:29. You have piles of coupons all over your table (told you denny)
:30. You have at least one gold chain with a cedar, camel, or a cross on it
:31. Wearing a leather jacket during the summer is cool
:32. you know what the debki, a hafli, and a derrbakki is/are
:33. You are always right
:34. You have at least 1 picture/object resembling a camel in your house (even
:though there are no camels in Lebanon)
:35. You've seen a belly dancer at least once in your life :ANDDDDDDD
: You get happy when your American friends use Arabic (swears especially) in
:normal speach.

http://www.cafearabica.com/wwwboard/humor/messages/2594.html


http://www.berro.com/joke/you_know_you_are_lebanese_when.htm