what does everyone know about him.

personally, i know next to nothing, other than that he's a top minor prospect in baseball. his numbers are rediculous, but i dont have a clue about his stuff.

anyone go down to toledo to see him pitch? im wondering what he can hit on the gun. being 6'6", i'd hope he can go 95+.

as to the topic, should we be willing to move him for help now?

i've always figured a champion team needs 2 dynamite starting pitchers, ideally a 3rd really good one, and a fourth one helps (the fifth starter is purely for the regular season).

imo, the tigers have 2 dynamite starting pitchers for a long time in verlandar and bonderman. rogers obviously isnt here long term, and im not sure robinson is as good as his numbers. im not a big minor or maroth fan either. but we have our big 2 long term, and short term i think we're set as well.

so its not like we NEED sanchez (not that you dont always need more pitching). with miller also in the system eventually, it really does seem like we might have a spare arm.

i really dont know what we should do with him. thoughts?

1. You will all call him Dirty. I command you.

2. No, unless it's a blockbuster for a player who already has a good deal in place. You don't give up key pieces of a system for rentals, unless that rental is Randy Johnson circa 98. There is lots of help to be found as we near the deadline that can be had without dumping off our best chip. We can trade Tata, or one of the several B level prospects, or one of the guys we already have in the show.

I would be more than happy to trade him if we got back someone that could help the team not just for the rest of this season, but for a few more to come as well. Miller isn't the only stud arm we got in the draft this year either. We picked up 3 very strong arms that were all active in their teams making it far into the College World Series. It will take probably 3 years for many of them to get close to the majors, but as you pointed out, Bonderman and Verlander will be in their prime at that point. Maroth, Minor and Robertson will all be young still as well. So barring injury we certainly have time and a steady rotation to bridge the gap to our better pitching prospects. Keep in mind there are guys like Tata, Ledezma, Durbin, Jarrjens, etc as well.
What we don't have are a number of position players ready to make an immediate impact on the team. That is what we should trade for.

I absolutely would trade Humberto Sanchez to get someone. I look at him as an extra piece that somewhat came out of nowhere. Before this season nobody knew who he was because he wasn't that good..........that scares me a little bit. However, this also happened to Zumaya. He was plugging along (not for 10 years or anything) and finally it clicked and he pitched great and boom, he is a 5 star, can't miss prospect, when just a year earlier he was a guy that can throw hard and nothing more. So Humberto "Dirty" Sanchez plugged along and finally it clicked for him and now he is pitching great, but with Miner, Bondo, Verlander, Tata and the others we can afford to give up one guy that is studly in order to improve our team.

Do we trade him for Luis Gonzalez, Todd Walker or Sean Casey.........HELL NO.

Do we trade him for Soriano, Crawford, Carlos Lee or Todd Helton............Yes, even if its just for a rental player.

P.S. 1987 was a long time ago, do we really know if this will ever happen again??? (Damn Detroit)

Boston Globe-

Man of interest
The Nationals, Twins, Diamondbacks, and Pirates were all scouting righthander Humberto Sanchez of the Toledo Mud Hens, Detroit's Triple A affiliate, in Pawtucket Wednesday night. The Tigers are in search of another big bat and are consistently mentioned in possible trade scenarios involving Washington's Alfonso Soriano.

All this talk about Humberto and people keep overlooking the fact that these same trade rumors often include Cameron Maybin as well. That's the part that gets me. Go ahead and deal Sanchez if the price is right, but Maybin is arguably the top position prospect in the system.

All this talk about Humberto and people keep overlooking the fact that these same trade rumors often include Cameron Maybin as well. That's the part that gets me. Go ahead and deal Sanchez if the price is right, but Maybin is arguably the top position prospect in the system.

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You could say his is arguably the best in baseball, but there is no one near him on our farm.

I guess I was basing the arguably part on what position has the greatest need, but that wasn't a variable included in my statement.

In other words, you're right, I'm wrong.

Humberto's been getting roughed up a bit his last few starts, maybe because he's pressing in front of scouts. Hopefully that doesn't hurt his trade value. I'd say he's definitely not untouchable, but as others have said, it would have to be a serious player if we deal him. No Caseys, Walkers etc.

Why does everyone hate Casey? The only knock I can think of on him is health, and with our team the way it is I think adding a bench guy is pretty much what we need. Whether at 1B, DH or PH, he would come in lefty and produce. He hits .300, pretty much a lock. He'll hit doubles and he walks as often as he strikes out (not a ton of strikeouts - nice addition to our lineup). With his health he would be a guy that wouldn't have high expectations for playing time and could act as the perfect role playing difference maker.

I wouldn't trade Sanchez straight up for him, I would look for a B-grade prospect and some cash along with him, but I certainly wouldn't avoid him.

I absolutely would trade Humberto Sanchez to get someone. I look at him as an extra piece that somewhat came out of nowhere. Before this season nobody knew who he was because he wasn't that good..........that scares me a little bit. However, this also happened to Zumaya. He was plugging along (not for 10 years or anything) and finally it clicked and he pitched great and boom, he is a 5 star, can't miss prospect, when just a year earlier he was a guy that can throw hard and nothing more. So Humberto "Dirty" Sanchez plugged along and finally it clicked for him and now he is pitching great, but with Miner, Bondo, Verlander, Tata and the others we can afford to give up one guy that is studly in order to improve our team.

Do we trade him for Luis Gonzalez, Todd Walker or Sean Casey.........HELL NO.

Do we trade him for Soriano, Crawford, Carlos Lee or Todd Helton............Yes, even if its just for a rental player.

P.S. 1987 was a long time ago, do we really know if this will ever happen again??? (Damn Detroit)

1987 was so bad, I'm not sure the franchise could handle something like that again. Smoltz has been a stud for what? 17 years now?

Nats, DBacks, Pirates, and Twins?

Doubt we'd trade with the Twins, they might just be scouting him for future matchups.

Who would we be looking at on the other teams though?

Obviously Soriano on the Nats.

Pirates have? Hernandez and Gonzolez in the pen would be nice. Bay would obviously be a dream pickup. Then Casey or C. Wilson would be decent 1b's to platoon, but we have DY. If they could get Dirty, I think that it would be for Bay(please god let this happen). Give them Sanchez, Monroe, and pretty much anyone in the minors not named Maybin.

The DBacks are an odd one. Byrnes, Gonzo, and Green are all decent hitters, but nothing special, definitely nothing worthy of Sanchez, IMO. Pitching wise they have some talent such as Webb, but I don't see them moving him. Their other guys are guys like Julio or Choate as relievers, who I don't see us going after.

Unless something crazy big is in the works I don't understand why this group of teams are scouting him.

I absolutely would trade Humberto Sanchez to get someone. I look at him as an extra piece that somewhat came out of nowhere. Before this season nobody knew who he was because he wasn't that good..........that scares me a little bit. However, this also happened to Zumaya. He was plugging along (not for 10 years or anything) and finally it clicked and he pitched great and boom, he is a 5 star, can't miss prospect, when just a year earlier he was a guy that can throw hard and nothing more. So Humberto "Dirty" Sanchez plugged along and finally it clicked for him and now he is pitching great, but with Miner, Bondo, Verlander, Tata and the others we can afford to give up one guy that is studly in order to improve our team.

Do we trade him for Luis Gonzalez, Todd Walker or Sean Casey.........HELL NO.

Do we trade him for Soriano, Crawford, Carlos Lee or Todd Helton............Yes, even if its just for a rental player.

P.S. 1987 was a long time ago, do we really know if this will ever happen again??? (Damn Detroit)

You mention it being so long since we made the playoffs, but that was also the year that we gave up our future to sneak in. We gave up Smoltz that year, why would you want to do the same with Sanchez?

Not saying that for the right offer I wouldn't move him, but for all thing to mention, you mention the team that proves why you shouldn't move minor leaguers carelessly.

http://wtfdetroit.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5196&page=6

Everyone says that we traded away our future when we traded Smoltz, but the trade worked out well in the short run, which is what they were looking at. In an interview, Smoltz himself said that he would not have become anything close to the pitcher he is now had he stayed with the Tigers. Sometimes it's a win for both teams. The Tigers got what they wanted short-term, and the Braves got what they wanted long-term. If we don't make the trade and we don't get into the playoffs, I don't want to come back here and see everyone complaining about how we didn't trade him.

Everyone says that we traded away our future when we traded Smoltz, but the trade worked out well in the short run, which is what they were looking at. In an interview, Smoltz himself said that he would not have become anything close to the pitcher he is now had he stayed with the Tigers. Sometimes it's a win for both teams. The Tigers got what they wanted short-term, and the Braves got what they wanted long-term. If we don't make the trade and we don't get into the playoffs, I don't want to come back here and see everyone complaining about how we didn't trade him.

It would take a monumental collapse from Tigers to miss the playoffs given the current standings.

Everyone says that we traded away our future when we traded Smoltz, but the trade worked out well in the short run, which is what they were looking at. In an interview, Smoltz himself said that he would not have become anything close to the pitcher he is now had he stayed with the Tigers. Sometimes it's a win for both teams. The Tigers got what they wanted short-term, and the Braves got what they wanted long-term. If we don't make the trade and we don't get into the playoffs, I don't want to come back here and see everyone complaining about how we didn't trade him.

Good point and something I've been meaning to bring up. Smoltz was a mess in our system. Good pure stuff but not a clue how to use it. He managed to figure it out, but it was far from a sure thing.

Everyone says that we traded away our future when we traded Smoltz, but the trade worked out well in the short run, which is what they were looking at. In an interview, Smoltz himself said that he would not have become anything close to the pitcher he is now had he stayed with the Tigers. Sometimes it's a win for both teams. The Tigers got what they wanted short-term, and the Braves got what they wanted long-term. If we don't make the trade and we don't get into the playoffs, I don't want to come back here and see everyone complaining about how we didn't trade him.

Good point and something I've been meaning to bring up. Smoltz was a mess in our system. Good pure stuff but not a clue how to use it. He managed to figure it out, but it was far from a sure thing.

Fully agree, but it was such an obvious point to make, when refering to selling off your future.

Smoltz was an a baller with an ERA in the 4.5+ range, but great stuff, and Doyle was a pitcher with an ERA in the 5's, and had what, 1 win, at that point.

That was a nothing trade, that turned out to be bigtime on both sides. Doyle went hot and got us into the playoffs, and Smoltz is now a future Hall of Famer.

If it is to get Soriano, yes. But it has to be for a complete player that would be in the lineup every day.

Looks like this thread may have become moot.


LEVELAND - The Detroit Tigers’ chances of making a significant trade this week took a hit Monday, and not because of anything that happened in Washington or Chicago.

The problem was in Toledo, where the Triple-A Mud Hens scratched Humberto Sanchez from his scheduled start against Durham because of tenderness in his right elbow.

Sanchez would likely head any package the Tigers could put together to get Washington’s Alfonso Soriano, Milwaukee’s Carlos Lee or any other decent hitter who could become available before next Monday’s non-waiver trading deadline. While the elbow injury isn’t considered serious, Sanchez’s inability to pitch this week could be a serious problem for Tiger trade hopes.
Detroit LMDA, July