http://www.pacersdigest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22634

Some guys on pacers digest are saying harrington is going to the Pacers?

Even some guys on Spurstalk are saying it.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1118003&posted=1#post1118003

they sound pretty confident........wonder how much he's getting....

they sound pretty confident........wonder how much he's getting....

Or for who... most likely Jeff Foster is involved. The hawks dont need another pg like Tinsley or AJ because they signed Speedy and have Salim.

This should make the Pacers a contender. [smilie=burgerking.:

They will be unstoppable with Baby Al and the baby-faced PF Oatmeal. [smilie=paca.gif]

Eddie Gill scares me. [smilie=reporter.gi:

It's a sign and trade according to realgm.

If Foster is involved...then the Pacers have no center other than Harrison assuming Pollard isnt with the team anymore.

Jermaine
Al harrington
GRanger
Jackson
Tinsley

Dupree>Harrington

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i think its for their trade exception. pick included?

do we even have to pretend to care at this point?

oh! dear god! no!! we're now the 5th best team in the east instead of the 4th!!!

i couldnt care less. from everything i've heard, we're going to be better than the 64 win team last year. the pacers only won 42 (?) times last year. al harrington isnt worth 22+ wins.

well we have flip murray and stuff.





















yea and he sucks.

i think its for their trade exception. pick included?

do we even have to pretend to care at this point?

oh! dear god! no!! we're now the 5th best team in the east instead of the 4th!!!

i couldnt care less. from everything i've heard, we're going to be better than the 64 win team last year. the pacers only won 42 (?) times last year. al harrington isnt worth 22+ wins.

I still think we beat the Pacers, the cavs, and hell fuck the bulls.

the pacers are fucked for next offseason. They should have used that trade exception on next year's class, which was suppose to be deep

via slam online


Well, I heard today that there’s one team left in play: Indiana, which is close to trading for Harrington and a brand new 6 year, $60 million contract that’s waiting for his signature. In return, they’d give up — get this — nobody! A draft pick and cash is all Atlanta would receive. No Jeff Foster? No David Harrison? Not even Danny Granger? (He’s a swingman, after all.) Nope. Just cash and picks, which sounds like a country music song.

They give up nobody? This is revenge for the Hawks helping us getting Rasheed and Mike James for nothing, although I dont see this helping the Pacers as much as that helped us.

Its a really nice deal for Indy, but that team is going nowhere, and I think they know it. Other than Al, they seem to be more concerned with dumping salary than fielding a team.

PS: Tinsley minor injury to keep him out for months over/under - game 5 of the season.

Over.

Might as well add another 10 games for JO too

No.

I meant that by the 5th game of the season, he'd be on the shelf - not that he'd only miss five games all year.

Shoot, he misses approximately five out of EVERY five games :)

..its not like they're gonna win the title or anything

http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsider/


Is he or is he not?
Posted by Mike Wells

A number of you have flooded my email inbox with questions about Al Harrington returning to the Pacers in a sign-and-trade deal with the Atlanta Hawks.

The story really took off when the local NBC station here in Indianapolis said the deal is 99 percent done. Several days have passed and there still hasn't been an announcement surrounding the deal. What makes it worse is that neither the Star or Atlanta Journal Constitution have written a word about this deal other than in the blogs. This isn't to say a deal won't happen. There's still a chance (I think a good chance) Harrington will return to the Pacers. When? I don't know.

Harrington's name has been mentioned since Peja Stojakovic agreed to terms with the New Orleans Hornets more than two weeks ago. The Pacers and Golden State are the only two teams that have been constantly mentioned in talks about Harrington. Nobody in the Pacers organization has said a word in the past couple of days.

There have been mixed feelings on Harrington returning to Indiana. I think he’s a good fit for what the Pacers are trying to do. Things should start to fall in place for the Pacers as far as offseason moves go if/when they get Harrington. The Pacers still have to figure out their point guard situation and try to find another big man to play alongside Jermaine O'Neal in the post.

Harrington is being had for scraps. Davidson made Joe give away all of our scraps to re-sign Ben then didn't sign him. Fucking Dumbo.

Update, also Stein is chatting at 1pm if anyone is interested in bombarding him with Cheik Samb* questions.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?id=2528093


Pacers close to acquiring Harrington from Hawks

By Marc Stein
ESPN.com

The biggest name still available on the NBA free-agent market is Al Harrington.

Except that you'd struggle to find a team out there that considers Harrington available.

Harrington's return to the Indiana Pacers via sign-and-trade with the Atlanta Hawks, according to various NBA front-office sources, is widely seen as a done deal.

Perhaps the strongest indication that a formal announcement is forthcoming from Indianapolis is the fact that the Pacers' main competition for Harrington is no longer courting the versatile forward.

The Golden State Warriors, sources said, have conceded defeat in the Harrington chase, fully expecting the 26-year-old to join the Pacers in a swap with Atlanta that would net Harrington a six-year contract worth just under $57 million.

It remains unclear who or what Atlanta would receive in the sign-and-trade arrangement, but the deal can be completed with the Hawks taking back recent or future draft picks -- or perhaps a moderately priced youngster like center David Harrison -- as opposed to significant salary. That's because of a $7.5 million trade exception Indiana created earlier this month by striking a sign-and-trade deal with the New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets involving Peja Stojakovic . . . after Stojakovic had already committed to sign a five-year, $60-plus million free-agent contract with the Hornets.

With a modest cash payment believed to be in the $250,000 range, Indiana convinced the Hornets to participate in a sign-and-trade swap for Stojakovic instead of signing him outright. The Pacers signed Stojakovic to the terms he and the Hornets negotiated and shipped the sharpshooter (plus cash) to New Orleans/Oklahoma City for the rights to 1998 second-round draft pick Andy Betts, who will likely never play for Indiana.

Without the $7.5 million trade exception resulting from that maneuver, Indiana wouldn't be able to complete a sign-and-trade for Harrington unless the Hawks were willing to take back contracts in the same monetary range as Harrington's new first-year salary.

Harrington's apparent willingness to start that new contract in the $7.5 million range, meanwhile, is expected to return him to the team that drafted the 6-9, 245-pounder in 1998 -- and has turned that trade exception into one of the most valuable assets of this NBA offseason.

Harrington, sources said, initially told interested suitors he was expecting a six-year deal worth at least $66 million. For the Pacers to pay that much, Atlanta almost certainly would have to be willing to accept a package built around Indiana center Jeff Foster. But Foster, by all indications, is not part of the forthcoming trade.

Indy's unforeseen trade exception gets Harrington fairly close to his financial target and the team he likes best. Better yet for the Pacers, their new Ron Artest replacement is regarded as a top-flight athlete who's capable of playing small forward and power forward.

When the free-agent period commenced July 1 and the Hornets secured a verbal commitment from Stojakovic within hours, it looked as though Indiana would lose its original Artest successor without compensation.

The Pacers have been busy on other fronts as well, according to sources, in hopes of reducing future salary obligations wherever possible as they prepare to absorb Harrington's big contract.

They first rescinded a qualifying offer to shooting guard Fred Jones, suddenly making Jones an unrestricted free agent, and he quickly reached an agreement to sign with Toronto Raptors.

Indiana also agreed over the weekend to trade point guard Anthony Johnson, who has two seasons left on his contract worth just over $5 million, for a package of three Dallas Mavericks that will likely be whittled to one. Veteran point guard Darrell Armstrong is the only Mav expected to stick with the Pacers after the deal goes through. Young forwards Josh Powell and Rawle Marshall are prime candidates to be waived.

The Pacers have also shopped Foster (who earns $5.5 million next season) and guard Sarunas Jasikevicius ($4 million) this summer and might proceed with plans to move one or both to gain additional distance from the luxury-tax threshold.

"Obviously, Indiana, I'm more comfortable there because I've been there, I've been in the East," Harrington told ESPN.com earlier this month at the Vegas Summer League, making it clear then that he expected to wind up with either the Pacers or the Warriors.

"Going into free agency, obviously you think, 'I'm going to be at the bottom of the screen [on ESPN's Bottom Line ticker] like Ben Wallace and the rest of the guys.' But everyone's telling me to be patient, so that's what I'm trying to do."



*obligatory Cheik Samb comment used to drive search traffic to WTF

*obligatory Cheik Samb comment used to drive search traffic to WTF

ROFLMAO!!

i also hear that cheik samb is a huge barbaro fan.

thank goodness this is the nastiest website on the internet.

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*obligatory Cheik Samb comment used to drive search traffic to WTF

ROFLMAO!!

i also hear that cheik samb is a huge barbaro fan.

thank goodness this is the nastiest website on the internet.

[smilie=running.gif]

Thanks for the "Barbaro Update" !!

At least we'll still be a top 5 seed in the central.

I could care less. Good move for the Pacers, but they still suck. Can't we send Davis, Delfino and an exception for Harrington?

I could care less. Good move for the Pacers, but they still suck. Can't we send Davis, Delfino and an exception for Harrington?

we can't pay him...he wants 10 a year, now we re allready giving Nazr 6 a year, for that price we could have kept Ben...

btw: seems like all Atlanta is going to get for AL its the TE and a first round pick...geesh, they could have had Darko if they wanted to, i believe Joe tried to get Al for Darko now about for 2 years...dumb Hawks, thanks for nothing...

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060725/COLUMNISTS01/607250391/1088/SPORTS04


This team is making all the wrong moves

By Bob Kravitz
July 25, 2006

I wrote it a few weeks ago and I will write it again: The Pacers are wheeling and dealing their way straight to the NBA draft lottery. And you know what? When they finally make this deal that brings Al Harrington to Indiana, the same Baby Al who never once showed up in the postseason during his first incarnation here, I'll write it again.

Lottery, baby.

Let the Greg Oden Sweepstakes begin.

Can anybody outside of the Pacers organization tell me what they're trying to accomplish here?

When I said, "Blow the thing up," I meant, "Get rid of the core players, the bad apples, take the hit and rebuild from the bottom." What they're doing, though, is tinkering around the edges, putting rouge on a pig. They've made moves, yes, but moves to make them appreciably better? Please.

Everybody agreed when Anthony Johnson said after the Pacers' season-ending loss to New Jersey that they needed to change the "culture" of the locker room. And yet, I'm looking at these moves so far, and I see Indiana dealing away all of their best locker room citizens, leaving the knuckleheads behind.

They let Peja Stojakovic go -- fine. The price was too high, and that trade exception will prove valuable if they use it to get Harrington.

The Austin Croshere deal, OK, a wash. The Pacers will miss his professionalism, but Marquis Daniels will be productive.

But these latest two moves -- trading Johnson for a used peach basket and letting Fred Jones walk -- make absolutely no sense to me.

I admit it: I'm an A.J. fan. Like him personally, like him as a player. Was he a top-flight starting point guard on a title-contending team? Absolutely not. But for two straight years, he was this team's salvation, and clearly the best point guard on the current roster (damning with faint praise, I know).

While the lamentable Jamaal Tinsley was cashing his paycheck and Sarunas Jasikevicius was pouting and wishing he was back in Israel, Johnson was the one true pro who played with an oversized heart.

Clearly, he wasn't happy Pacers president Larry Bird signed Jasikevicius for all that money, but at least he took that anger, channeled it and played with the kind of passion we didn't often see from his teammates last year.

So for a player who averaged 20 points per game in last year's playoffs, including 40 in an elimination game, the Pacers got a 38-year-old baby-sitter (Darrell Armstrong) and two nobodies who might not make the roster.

Hmmm.

If I didn't know any better -- wait, I don't know any better -- I'd wonder if Bird isn't trying to cover himself on the Jasikevicius signing. Little wonder coach Rick Carlisle hasn't gotten a contract extension: He's not sharp enough to find a way to get big-time minutes for a slow point guard who can't defend anybody and left his 3-point shot in a Tel Aviv safe-deposit box.

If the Pacers go into next year with Tinsley, Jasikevicius and Armstrong playing point guard, they will not only make the lottery, but get a bunch of ping-pong balls.

Seriously, what has Tinsley ever done to make anybody think he's capable of staying healthy for more than 60 games?

The same people who are counting on him to stay on the floor next season are the ones who believed Ron Artest could behave himself and lead the Pacers to a championship.

Right.

And how did that one work out?

I can understand if they couldn't trade Tinsley, but that, too, goes back to the front office, and specifically CEO Donnie Walsh. Tinsley, incredibly, is signed through 2011. I just can't believe Walsh didn't give me an extension, too. Lord knows, I've had three better years than Tinsley. And I've played hurt.

As for Jones, there's no surprise there; the former first-round pick fell out of favor long ago. But if the professed idea is to make the Pacers more of an up-tempo team, it would seem to make sense that you'd keep your best athlete. Two years ago, remember, Jones got more minutes than any other Pacer, and helped the team reach the second round of the playoffs.

In many ways, Jones, like Johnson, was a victim of The Brawl in November 2004 -- which for this organization is the gift that keeps giving. During the suspensions, Jones, Johnson and others got a chance to strut their stuff. When the marquee players returned, though, they were sent back to the bench, where they never fully accepted their roles.

Really, though, could you blame them? Johnson was playing behind Tinsley and Jasikevicius. Jones was playing behind Stephen Jackson. If I was stuck behind those guys, I'd be bristling, too.

Unless the Pacers do something beyond a Harrington trade, unless they pull off something so mind-boggling, it reduces ESPN commentator Stephen A. Smith to stunned silence, this team is lottery-bound.

If I'm wrong, feel free to clip and save, and then broil with a nice béarnaise and some asparagus tips on the side. Oh, and some of the Larry Bird Legends wine, maybe a nice cabernet sauvignon. Good for my heart, you know.

I could care less. Good move for the Pacers, but they still suck. Can't we send Davis, Delfino and an exception for Harrington?

we can't pay him...he wants 10 a year, now we re allready giving Nazr 6 a year, for that price we could have kept Ben...

btw: seems like all Atlanta is going to get for AL its the TE and a first round pick...geesh, they could have had Darko if they wanted to, i believe Joe tried to get Al for Darko now about for 2 years...dumb Hawks, thanks for nothing...

Al wants 10 a year? Haha, I hope the Pacers get him then. I thought he wanted around 7 mil a year. I would have been fine with that without Ben's contract. By the time it would matter Dice would be retiring anyway. 10 mil, no way.

What has Harrington ever done to make any team believe he's worth anything more than the MLE?

Even on crap teams someone has to board and score. That's what Harrington did. It must have been hard out-rebounding Zaza Pachulia and a bunch of young pups.

The fact is that the only decent teams he played on he was a 6th Man. The guy was not the best player on the Hawks last season. The fucking Hawks!

Some could argue he wasn't even the second best player on the Hawks roster! WTF!

Dude is not a 4 and he's not a 3. His D isn't great, he's not supremely athletic and he's not a leader or go to guy.

And he's worth $7mil?

No fucking way.

What has Harrington ever done to make any team believe he's worth anything more than the MLE?

Even on crap teams someone has to board and score. That's what Harrington did. It must have been hard out-rebounding Zaza Pachulia and a bunch of young pups.

The fact is that the only decent teams he played on he was a 6th Man. The guy was not the best player on the Hawks last season. The fucking Hawks!

Some could argue he wasn't even the second best player on the Hawks roster! WTF!

Dude is not a 4 and he's not a 3. His D isn't great, he's not supremely athletic and he's not a leader or go to guy.

And he's worth $7mil?

No fucking way.

I'd have paid him 7 mil a year. Not starting at 7 mil, just averaging 7 mil. That's basically the MLE for a 4-5 year deal. He's worth that as a 6th man behind Dice and Prince. 10 mil is damn crazy. You think they would have learned their lesson with Austin's fat contract.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/hawks/stories/0802hawks.html


Harrington fires his agent

Soon-to-be-traded Hawk apparently will hire Arn Tellem

By SEKOU SMITH
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Al Harrington plans to fire his longtime agent, according to several people familiar with the situation, meaning the month-long wait for a resolution to the Hawks-Harrington trade saga could last quite a bit longer.

Harrington took steps to sever ties with his New York-based agent Andy Miller on Tuesday, meaning the negotiating process regarding the sign-and-trade deal he's seeking, with assistance from the Hawks, is far from complete.

With Harrington seeking new representation, league rules stipulate that there must be 15 days between the time Harrington files the paperwork to fire Miller and retains new representation, meaning the process could stretch well into this month before it is resolved.

Miller did not return several phone calls.

People familiar with the situation said Harrington will hire Arn Tellem as his new agent.

Harrington is prepared to restart the entire process, the people familiar with the situation said. That means new teams could get involved, wiping out a proposed deal that would have sent Harrington back to Indiana in exchange for cash, a draft pick and John Edwards.

There were more than a half dozen teams that inquired about sign-and-trade possibilities involving Harrington before the list was narrowed to Indiana and Golden State last month. That list included the Los Angeles Lakers, the Minnesota Timberwolves, the Chicago Bulls, the Detroit Pistons and the Milwaukee Bucks.

With the news that the trade process will begin anew, the list of teams showing interest in Harrington could increase.

Well, his agent had to be a fucking moron anyway.

The guy couldn't organise a S&T in a month?

With the Warriors and Pacers bidding against each other?

His agent fucked up.

Who else does Andy Miller represent? He sounds really familiar

Andy Miller sounds like a coach in the NFL, other than that, im not so sure

Wow the LAkers wanted Al too...

Arn Tellem is cleaning up this year.

I'm jealous.

I think we should change Taymelo's title from "Consigliere" to "Arn Tellem", he would make an excellent sports agent.

Tay can spew days and days of supporting info, and won't listen to a word of your (the team's) rebuttal.

I'd certainly let him represent me if I was a pro jock.

Tay can spew days and days of supporting info, and won't listen to a word of your (the team's) rebuttal.

Not fair.

I usually spew days and days of supporting info, and people respond by nitpicking one sentence that really has nothing to do with the underlying theme of my opus of a post.

Oh, well.

Perhaps its my fault for, in making my point, giving my opponents more than 5,000,000 words to nitpick and choose from?????

EDIT: BTW: Trade Delfino, Dale Davis, and whatever else you need (including first round picks) for Harrington. Make it happen, Joe.

TRADE DD, DUPREE, DELFINO FOR AL AND THEN SIGN DELK!

Screw Delk

He signed with Indy.