According to hoopshype, Delfino wants to leave because he wants to develop as a player, and he wants a team where he can play.

well, Joe D has publically said that he wants Delfino to get serious burn this coming season. i dislike Delfino talking about that stuff to reporters abroad. i tried to read the translation, but couldn't make much of it. hopefully, it's a case of something lost in the translation.

*waits for WOD's ferner rant*

The "lost in translation" excuse only worked once, he HAS to go. We just dealt a guy for a willow tree so he could get minutes, now this? If he just said this recently he's gone. We need a powerful, scoring 2-3 who's on board with what we're doing here.

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well if he wants to leave so bad, there's no use in keeping him around. I expected him gone since midseason anyways. There was this other interview a while back where he said Joe D told him to wait until the off-season and if he still wanted to go they'd deal him. Some shitty team that can give him 25+ minutes is probably what he's looking for.

The positive is, I think he'd actually be decent trade bait. He'd be an actual young trade asset, rather than just cash or over the hill veterens or draft picks.

let's move him, this has happened too many times to keep blaming it on being "lost in translation"

Maybe we can package him with Dale and Mo's trade exception for Wells or Harrington?

But really can we please stop drafting them in the NBA all together?

They're like soccer players. So fucking dramatic. Nothing hurts them, and they complain like theirs no tomarrow.

i say we keep him simply because i can't imagine us getting anything in return that's going to help us. if we can get someone like Bonzi or Harrington in return, then hell yeah, go for it. i just don't think that deal's in the waiting for us. if it was, i think Joe D woudl have jumped on it already.

we don't move the guy just because he wants playing time. i don't think that Delfino is any sort of lockerroom cancer, so i'm ok with keeping him. he's not burning a hole in our cap, so what's the harm?

give him the PT this season to prove his worth. not because he's "demanding" the PT, but because we desperately need his potential talent off the bench. i'm just sick of seeing us trade away or let players go, and watch them succeed elsewhere.

I agree with Matt.

We aren't getting harrington for sure, but I think Bonzi might be a possibility. S&T Delfino, DD, Mo TE for Bonzi. That would be the obvious deal

Ditch the bitch.

We won't get anything for him though. We picked him in the late 20's 3 years ago and he hasn't done shit since. We'll get less for him than we got for Mo.

Ditch the bitch.

We won't get anything for him though. We picked him in the late 20's 3 years ago and he hasn't done shit since. We'll get less for him than we got for Mo.

then what's the point of trading him? if we get squat for him, all it does is make our bench even thinner. it's not like he's a starter who's going to cause a rift in the lockerroom.

i'm all for moving him if we're upgrading, but i doubt we can. otherwise, i think we should just throw him in the fire and say, put up or shut up.

Here's the link if anyone here is fluent or has a good translator program.

http://www.litoral.com.ar/index.php/diarios/2006/07/12/deportes/DEPO-01.html

http://www.litoral.com.ar/diarios/2006/07/12/deportes/Depo-01.JPG


Babel Fish Translation

In English:
"I am not satisfied to another year seated in the bank" Carlos Delfino spoke with the Coast of his season in the NBA, selected national and Super the 4 that will be fulfilled in our capital. Marcelo Mendoza After finalizing his second season in the NBA with the Detroit Pistons, the santafesino escort Carlos Delfino settled recently in our city, to enjoy deserved vacations next to its dear beings. After one fifteen days that completely dedicated them to the rest, clarified with one of its favorite pastimes: the fishing, the Coast engaged in a dialog with the flaming "Carlitos Uncle", since its Florence sister, was mother of the beautiful Santina, that obvious will have sportsman destiny. - It was one season with little minutes in cancha?-Así is, but I am well, in spite of not to have fulfilled the expectations on the matter. It had the hope of which with the change of trainer, it could have some type of variation. It was not thus, but also it is truth that when there is change of coach, each one deposits its confidence in players that knows. Mainly in that they had gained something, and in which they had formed in that equipment ganador.Tenía something of fear, but I repeat, in the personnel I am, calm well, because I did all the possible one, which is to my reach. When I had the small or great opportunity, I took advantage of it. I am calm with which I did; I am not in debt, I am not bitter. What comes can better be. There is a contract of by means, I have more for a year in Detroit, is change of trainer and I found out that Horseradish tree Wallace goes away to Chicago, can pass any thing. That the man goes away after six years tax exemption is a very hard blow. There were enough expectations in the equipment for the next season, but they did not hope that one goes away. As far as me, did not want I to have left in Detroit because I want to be developed like player, an equipment where it can play and, after two years, to have many promises, of which they want to me, I did not have the minutes that me prometieron.Yo I feel comfortable, I am contented, but I do not have the minutes; it is what I need and interests me to me. I want to see what possibilities it has, what equipment is interested in me, what can be done in this summer. The Old Continent In the continuity of the dialogue, the sport outstanding talks about the always effective possibility to return Europe. "As far as Europe, the doors always are open for the players of the NBA. Without doubt, group of people with advantages because I have the passport and I am known. The cause that much people read that I am not comfortable, always is giving returned but my great dream was, always, to play in the NBA. I am going to express my possibilities to obtain it ". Later he is final when affirming: "I am not satisfied another year seated in the bank, prefer to go to me of the NBA and to prove luck in Europe and, perhaps, more ahead to return. It can. I want to play. Although it is certain that I am young, I am not it as much. At the present time what it sells are the minutes in field and I do not have them, is what desire. I need to enter rate, to have possibilities, to feel a victory or a defeat. One does not want to be of side, without no pressure, but to compete being playing and with responsibilities in the good ones and the bad ones ". On the yield - In spite of the few minutes, you felt some improvement in your personal yield? - After my first season, said that it had cost me to adapt of the defense of Fiba to the one of the NBA, in this season I have improved. Improvement and things are always learned. The counter-productive thing was the little amount of minutes that I had in field. Always training it is learned and improvement but where is applied it and where takes confidence is in the field. I need this last one to make the things. - What relation you had with always good Te'cnico?-Fue, she was never bad, as much with Saunders as with Brown. When we even went to New York I was around fifteen minutes chatting with Larry Brown, of the family of each uno.Mi relation with the group also was good. - Miami right Campeo'n?-Si, mainly by the change that did from one season to the other. It was one season somewhat atypical. Miami had a tip of season in play off, not like us who we had it in the beginning or San Antonio who was in half of the match. Equipment as Scythes had in three fourth parts of torneo.La competition gained the equipment that had a more dominant game, than knew to take advantage of better the opportunities. We had a very good, strong beginning but we remained without fuel for the end, without legs. That way, the fact to play long time those five or six players played to us in against. We made the record but we needed reaction in the end. On the Argentine player - Continues gaining respect the Argentine player? - If. Although it is certain that the one of "Manu" was not as good as the one of the previous season as a result of being decimated by the injuries, a weather was taking confidence and ended up being very good. Everybody spoke wonders of him. Fabricio (Oberto) and I had the same, to fight to have ahead players of name, weight of contract better. They are things that influence. It was called on to wait for the opportunity to us and one did not occur us. Speech that Walter (Herrmann) is going to have an opportunity with Charlotte and along with Luis (Scola) is those that can be incorporated. - Argentina can yes be Campeo'n?-Creo that. They are the players, is the material, is raw material, but also it is necessary to have luck. That luck of not having injured of which extraño.Si does not pass anything one makes or the things, if it moves or the things, can be thought about great. - How you see the development of básquet argentino?-Aquí I have not been able to see but through the televisación because, once per week, they pass a party of the Liga.He seen many boys who I have not known. By a side I feel old and by disinformed other. There are great boys of good quality and, mainly, with much altura.Hay that to take advantage of, by a side the misfortune which so many players go away to Europe and that they have left the much way, at national level, to grow to those boys. And at the present time the things are being made affluent. Hopefully that is used for that spare part that will come, in not long time, in the selection. "Argentina arrives with plate from candidate" "At the world-wide one from Japan is arrived with plate. I believe that it is the first time. And this is product of to have won in the Olympic Games of Athens. Equipment has, the group is almost the same one, which has varied is the trainer. Hopefully that is gotten to play what Hernandez wants, is the wished rate and has injured. Recently time that I am in this group but is pretty to have this type of responsibilities although they weigh. Char it with Hernandez was very positive. She was one late in which we were with the "Chapu" (Nocioni) in Detroit. Mainly it presented/displayed the folder to us of the training. The important thing is to maintain the group, that he is inserted and the equipment plays as he wants. We want to repeat the one of Athens or to be close, at least ". Super the 4 in Santa Fe "When I found out that Super the 4 became in Santa Fe I put very contented. I long ago who game in my city and the scene does not bring very good memories to me. It is going to be something very pretty to play before the one people, with the colors celestial and white. Perhaps it is not about which one dreams but about which thinks. It watched at the Cordovans in the previous one how it was with his relatives, close friends. With the breast people básquet. It has created a great expectation and reason why I could appreciate, the city is a little pending the match. They ask permanently when it goes to be, who comes, who does not come, etc. Hopefully that serves to fit to people with básquet ".

I found out that Horseradish tree Wallace goes away to Chicago

LMFAO!

I found out that Horseradish tree Wallace goes away to Chicago
LMFAO!

maybe that's a putdown in Spanish.

you scumbag, son of a horseradish tree!

What the fuck do you guys see in Delfino? I don't see any thing. Let him go.

LOL @ 'Horseradish tree Wallace"

I vant to play.

the word 'equipment' seems to pop up at all the wrong places.

What the fuck do you guys see in Delfino?

I see someone that belongs in a Shock uniform.

What the fuck do you guys see in Delfino?

I see someone that belongs in a Shock uniform.
Cheyrl Ford would probably kick his ass Karma Lone style.[smilie=kamalone.gi:

Time to deal him?

Based on something you can't read? .

While this has happened one time too many I don't even know WTF he's really saying.

I went through the "translation" and made my own for some of it, just so I could read part of it in regular English.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not but at least I won't give yup haf way through when I read it:




I had the hope of that with the change of Coach, my situation would change. It didn't. The truth was that when there is a coaching change each Coach deposits his confidence in players that he knows Mo Evans.

The kind of person I am, I stayed calm, because I did everything possible when I had a small or great opportunity. I took advantage of it.

I stayed calm. I am not in debt, I am not bitter.

What comes can be better. There is a contract, I have more than a year in Detroit. They've had a change of coaches and I found out that Ben Wallace ran away to Chicago. Anything can come to pass. That the man goes away after six years for NOTHING. It is a very hard blow.

There were enough expectations in the team for the next season, but they did not think that he'd go away. As far as me, I do not want to be left in Detroit because I want to develop into a player, on a team where I can play.

After two years, to have many promises, of which they made to me, I did not have the minutes that were promised to me. Yes, I feel comfortable, I am contented, but I do not have the minutes; that is what I need and that is what interests me.

I want to see what possibilities I have, what team is interested in me, what can be done in this summer.

Maybe someone needs to tell Delfino that Mo Evans was traded on Draft Day and he's gonna get all the minutes he can fucking handle.

If he's overseas he might not even know about that blockbuster.

BTW, generally "equipement" means team - at least it reads "better" that way

I'm just sick of this fucking bitch. He's been whining about the kind of PT he gets since the day he was drafted. He's a piece of shit.

I thought I was the only one who didn't like Fino..........

Diddy hasn't liked him from day one.

And I said this shit has happened one time too many.

But I agree with Matt.

Who could we get if we traded Delfino? His low salary means we'd struggle to get anything decent. If we include Davis we're looking at trading 2 (hopefully) capable bench players.

Our bench is thin now - if we deal 2 guys and don't get anything to really help us in return (Brevin Knight and Jake Voskuhl?) then why bother dealing in the first place?

I'm gonna wait until someone posts a better translation, or Joe actually comments on this (or trades him).

I wish Delfino would just STFU and get better though. We don't need this shit going on now. The off-season has been shitty enough already.

MLive has a loose translation up:

http://www.mlive.com/weblogs/fullcourtpress/

Wait for a better translation?

03-He whined about how he thought things would be under LB and stayed over seas

04-Went home for surgery. Stayed there way too long. Pissed off the team. When he came back he played like a bitch. Then whined about wanting to go home instead of being there for the playoffs.

05-Said he didn't want to play in the summer league. Bitched about wanting to go home or to another team.

06-Bitching about PT and wanting to go to another team.

Every year it's the same shit with this fucking bitch. If we had an English speaking player acting like this he would be dumped sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fast. Fucking ferners. I am just sick and tired of this shit.

MLive has a loose translation up:

http://www.mlive.com/weblogs/fullcourtpress/


Carlos Delfino talks with The Literal about his last NBA season, his selection to the national team, and the Super 4 that will be played in our capitol.

After finishing his second season in the NBA, Carlos Delfino recently settled in our city for a deserved vacation near some dear friends.

After a fifteen day stretch completely dedicated to rest, complete with one of his favorite pastimes: fishing, the Coast caught up with Carlos.

Was this just a season with scarce minutes on the court? That's it, but I'm ok, even though it didn't meet my expectations. I had hoped with a change of coach, it would have changed. It didn't change, and even with a new coach, he will still put confidence in the players he knows. Specifically the players that have proven something and the ones that helped make the team successful. I was a little scared, but I repeat, I am satisfied because I did everything that I could possibly do. I don't have any doubts and I'm not bitter. There are better things to come. I still have one year on my contract in Detroit, the coach is still new, and now that Ben Wallace has gone to Chicago, anything can happen. That guy left after six years, and it will be a very hard blow to the team. The team had very high expectations for next season and was hoping one of the players didn't leave. As for me, I do not want to stay in Detroit because I want to be developed as a player on a team where I can play. After two years of having them tell me they want me, they have not given me the minutes they have promised. I'm comfortable, but I'm not content because I want minutes; they are what I need and what interests me. I want to look at the possibilities, see if teams are interested in me, something could possibly happen this summer.

As we continue the dialogue, Carlos talks about the possibility of returning to Europe.

As far as Europe goes, the doors are always open for NBA players. Without a doubt I have an advantage because I have a passport and I am well known. The fact that people read that I am not happy always gives them reason to think that I will return to Europe, but my dream has always been to play in the NBA. I'm going to do everything possible to fulfill that dream.

"I'm not satisfied to spend another year on the bench. I'd prefer to leave the NBA and try to test my luck in Europe and return to the NBA in the future. It is true that I am young, but it will not be that way forever. Presently playing time is the selling point. I need to get into a rhythm, to have opportunity and to feel victory and defeat. No one wants to be on the bench, without pressure and without the good and bad responsibilities of competition.

Weighing your playing time, do you feel like you improved your game?

After my first season they said my inability to transition from FIBA defense to an NBA defense cost me. This season I improved my defense. I'm always improving and learning things, but I'm not given the chance to prove it on the court.

What is your relation with the team? It was always good, never bad, not even with Larry Brown. When we went to New York last season I spent fifteen minutes chatting with Larry about each others' families. My relationship with the players was also good.

Did Miami deserve to win the championship? Yes, mainly for the changes they made from one season to the next. It was a somewhat atypical season. Miami peaked during the playoffs, not like us who peaked in the beginning of the season, or San Antonio somewhere in the middle. Dallas maintained it for three fourths the playoffs, but Miami remained dominant throughout and took advantage of their opportunities. We had a very good, strong beginning, but in the end we ran out of fuel. We didn't have any legs.

Bolded part is all I need to read.

Joe built a champion by assembling guys that WANTED to be Pistons. Get this fuck out of here before he further infects the lockerroom.

Time to deal him?

Based on something you can't read? .

While this has happened one time too many I don't even know WTF he's really saying.

I went through the "translation" and made my own for some of it, just so I could read part of it in regular English.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not but at least I won't give yup haf way through when I read it:




I had the hope of that with the change of Coach, my situation would change. It didn't. The truth was that when there is a coaching change each Coach deposits his confidence in players that he knows Mo Evans.


actually, reading the MLive translation, it sounds like he was talking about Flip playing the starters and not enough bench minutes:


It didn't change, and even with a new coach, he will still put confidence in the players he knows. Specifically the players that have proven something and the ones that helped make the team successful.

If Maxiel came out and said "I don't want to be in Detroit" I wonder if anyone would try and excuse him for his comments?

Wait for a better translation?

how about we just wait to see what he can do with consistent minutes? unless you have a reasonable option, other than dumping him because you hate foreigners.

fwiw, Delfino's scoring rate, rebounding rate, FG%, FT%, 3PT%, and defense (from my eyes) all got better in his second year, with a third less minutes per game.

Wait for a better translation?

how about we just wait to see what he can do with consistent minutes? unless you have a reasonable option, other than dumping him because you hate foreigners.

fwiw, Delfino's scoring rate, rebounding rate, FG%, FT%, 3PT%, and defense (from my eyes) all got better in his second year, with a third less minutes per game.

HE SAID HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE HERE! HE'S BEEN SAYING IS SINCE THE DAY HE WAS DRAFTED!

I hate these "ferners" cause they act like this not because they weren't born in America.

Wait for a better translation?
how about we just wait to see what he can do with consistent minutes? unless you have a reasonable option, other than dumping him because you hate foreigners.

fwiw, Delfino's scoring rate, rebounding rate, FG%, FT%, 3PT%, and defense (from my eyes) all got better in his second year, with a third less minutes per game.
Let's be honest here, a jump in statistics when you change out of a Larry Brown offensive system is nothing to write home about. The truth is they've sucked bad both years, and I'm still not sure what everybody sees in this guy anymore.

They see the last hope that Dumars didn't completely blow every pick in one of the deepest drafts of the last 20 years.

Wait for a better translation?
how about we just wait to see what he can do with consistent minutes? unless you have a reasonable option, other than dumping him because you hate foreigners.

fwiw, Delfino's scoring rate, rebounding rate, FG%, FT%, 3PT%, and defense (from my eyes) all got better in his second year, with a third less minutes per game.
HE SAID HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE HERE! HE'S BEEN SAYING IS SINCE THE DAY HE WAS DRAFTED!

I hate these "ferners" cause they act like this not because they weren't born in America.

again, what realistic deal are we going to do to upgrade from Delfino? do we dump him for a draft pick and put our hopes in Amir playing backup SF? hell no.

Joe D has pretty much forced Flip to play Delfino this season, by trading Mo. i say we let Delfino play real minutes and then make a decision. he's shown enough flashes to me, that i think he can be a very solid backup SG/SF for tayshaun. he can handle the ball, he comfortable driving to the hoop, he's had some NICE dunks over shot blockers, he's had times when he's hitting his outside shot well, and he's had GREAT moments of defense on guys like Paul Pierce and DWade.

WOD = Dick Vitale of WTFDetroit. "we gotta stop lookin' overseas, draft Americans BABY!!!!"

We need to stop drafting ferners with vaginas. Every God damn ferner we've drafted has bitched every God damn year they've been with the team. If they were'nt so bitch made I wouldn't have a problem with them. Earn your fucking minutes bitches.

Read that translation again, if you didn't know it was Delfino talking, it sounds just like "you know who".

It's like Groundhog Day.

Here's my problem:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3728/career;_ylt=Aoj8RAGhQs1bgicTAL2azIikvLYF

This is a guy you cut, not give all the minutes he wants. This league is full of "flash in the pan" guys who can show potential but not translate it to the court. Great, he can pick up a ball with one hand and beat Raef LaFrentz down the court for a dunk. He has as many fouls per 48 as fts attempted. He shoots 40%, and trash on 3s. His D is better, but he's still foot slow. His attitude is by every and any measure bad.

I was/am willing to give him another shot this year, mainly because we have no alternative, but god help us if he plays the way he has.

Here's my problem:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3728/career;_ylt=Aoj8RAGhQs1bgicTAL2azIikvLYF

This is a guy you cut, not give all the minutes he wants. This league is full of "flash in the pan" guys who can show potential but not translate it to the court. Great, he can pick up a ball with one hand and beat Raef LaFrentz down the court for a dunk. He has as many fouls per 48 as fts attempted. He shoots 40%, and trash on 3s. His D is better, but he's still foot slow. His attitude is by every and any measure bad.

I was/am willing to give him another shot this year, mainly because we have no alternative, but god help us if he plays the way he has.
i wholeheartedly disagree. we're not in position to just cut him.

to be fair, i remember him dunking on Okafor and taking it right to Flexo (i think he dunked on him too....but i could be wrong). how about his baseline dunk off the FT miss? i think his athleticism is underrated.

his defense was good enough to frustrate Wade and Pierce, for stretches, and i remember him blocking Vince once. OTOH, i remember Lebron straight up laughing and showboating when Flip tried to put Mo Evans on him. why Flip stuck to Mo over Delfino is something i'll never understand. you're never going to convince me that Mo Evans "earned" his minutes over Delfino.

this bad attitude stuff is overblown, imo. i'd much rather have a Delfino who wants to play as opposed to a questionable character guy who gets in trouble off the court or is known to be a lockerroom cancer.

we've given enough away for nothing, i say we keep Delfino.

Those are all flashes Matt. Why don't you post about the game where he took control and led us to victory? I hated Mo too, and it made me hate Fino that he couldn't clearly distance himself enought to command those minutes. I don't want to trade him becuase as Diddy said, I don't think he has value, but it was clear last year that our bench needs to be a force, not a detriment.

Those are all flashes Matt. Why don't you post about the game where he took control and led us to victory? I hated Mo too, and it made me hate Fino that he couldn't clearly distance himself enought to command those minutes. I don't want to trade him becuase as Diddy said, I don't think he has value, but it was clear last year that our bench needs to be a force, not a detriment.

my point is that we're not going to find anyone who will "take control and lead us to victory", unless Joe D makes a big slash trade. if he does, i'm all for upgrading over Delfino. otherwise, i think we need to give him the minutes and see what happens.

just for fun, i did some quick stats.

when Delfino played more than 10 minutes per game (32 times):

6.2 pts 2.4 reb 1.0 asts

when he played 20+ minutes (five times):

11.0 pts 4.0 reb 2.0 asts

that's only in his second year with sporadic minutes. add to that his comfort handling the ball, directing the offense, and his defense.....and that's why i think he's worth giving minutes. i'm not saying he's the next Ginobili, of course. just that we should give him more PT and see what happens.

I've wanted us to trade away since the injury because I feared he was injury prone and a pussy. But I want him to get enough play so he could showcase his skills and we'd <gasp> get something useful in trade. As it stands, he was never given that chance, even when he would do well and Mo would suck. Flip had a hard-on for MoEvans, which was abundantly clear when he'd put him in at PF in the playoffs, while real PFs who could play sat on the bench. (What is it with Pistons coaches and dumbass PF smallball playoffs?)

Delfino didn't get enough minutes for his foul rate to matter. It's harder to look at that shit when you're getting situational minutes. Lots of players are put in there simply to foul, and Delfino got a lot of superstar calls against him when playing tight D.

waiting on gutz to make his way in here.

back when the pistons traded darko, gutz claimed darko should be more like delfino, because he doesnt complain and just plays, regarldess of his role.

delfino has been a bitch since he got here. i remember when LB yanked him off the court and delfino laughed in LB's face. thats all i needed to know about carlos.

and this is just another shitty piece of the worst offseason ever. whad do you think we'll get for him, another 2nd rounder?

ps: like darko, i wouldnt trade delfino. i'd rather his contract run out than just give him away. maybe he pulls a 180 and somehow gets it... not that i'd bank on it, but it's only one year and ~1 million (though im sure this is all getting pennypincher's gears moving).

I bet Bryan Colangelo with all of his EuroLove would like to acquire Delfino. Maybe we could get MoPete for DD/Delfino/pick? Salaries match perfectly.

And save your cards and letters, I know that Argentina is not in Europe.

I'd want a little more than MoPete.

He's a much better shooter yeah, but Delfino does almost everything else better.

I'd want a little more than MoPete.

He's a much better shooter yeah, but Delfino does almost everything else better.

Oh yeah? Well does Delfino have herpes? Huh?

*crickets*

I'd want a little more than MoPete.

He's a much better shooter yeah, but Delfino does almost everything else better.

WTF? You were all for trading away Darko for nothing because he didn't want to be here anymore yet you are going to get picky about what we get for a late 1st round pick from 3 years ago that has rarely played? Fuck outta here with your hypocritical bullshit.

WTF? You were all for trading away Darko for nothing because he didn't want to be here anymore yet you are going to get picky about what we get for a late 1st round pick from 3 years ago that has rarely played? Fuck outta here with your hypocritical bullshit.

I'm fine with trading him, i'd just ask for a little more.

He was a late 1st round pick from 2003 and hasn't made any type of impact since being drafted. His trade value is shit. If we can get Mo Pete for him that is a steal FOR US.

I hope Joe signs Flip Murray.

I also hope he picks up Delfino's option and burries his bitch ass on the bench for two years. Let that whiny fucker run back to Europe once this contract is up.

He's shown that given 15-20 minutes per game, he produces.

What some of you aren't realizing is that he's the ONLY backup swingman on the roster. Trading him for a 2nd rounder or some bullshit does nothing to help us. It fucks us over. We already moved Flip's gay lover to make minutes. Moving Delfino right after would just be another in a long series of retarded moves by this organization. At least don't make the same mistake you made with Darko and wait till his value is at it's lowest to move him. For fuck sake, it's getting out of control.

If he's being a bitch, hold onto his contract untill it expires. Shipping him off to some lotto team is just what he wants.

He's shown that given 15-20 minutes per game, he produces.

But he doesn't want to be here. He's a cancer. Hurry up and get rid of him for nothing before he hurts the team. You know like Darko would've done had we not traded him for Cato.

Um, we have all summer to get rid of him.

If you expect to get more than Morris Peterson for a guy that has shown only 1 thing (that he's a whiny bitch) you're nuts.

He's shown that given 15-20 minutes per game, he produces.

But he doesn't want to be here. He's a cancer. Hurry up and get rid of him for nothing before he hurts the team. You know like Darko would've done had we not traded him for Cato.

He doesn't want to be on a team where he doesn't play. It's got nothing to do with anything else. I'm sure 95% of young players in this league that don't play as much as they feel they should would rather be on a different team.

And BTW, if I'm not mistaken, it was almost immediately after Darko LEFT that this team imploded for the first time since they were assembled. Assuming he or any other of these bench-riders were going to "hurt the team" is just stupid.

Yeah the team imploded because Darko wasn't there to laugh at.

He's shown that given 15-20 minutes per game, he produces.
But he doesn't want to be here. He's a cancer. Hurry up and get rid of him for nothing before he hurts the team. You know like Darko would've done had we not traded him for Cato.
he doesn't want to be here if we keep promising him that he's main backup SF, only to keep benching him. that's the only reason he wants to leave. it's not because we're losing or because of an offensive/defensive philosophy shift. he just wants the management to keep their promises.

"I don't want to stay in Detroit"

He wants to leave because he's not handed minutes Lord knows he can't earn them. Fuck promises EARN MINUTES. We have no other back-up 2/3 and he still wants to go.

Hurry up and sign Flip Murray.

"I don't want to stay in Detroit"

He wants to leave because he's not handed minutes Lord knows he can't earn them. Fuck promises EARN MINUTES. We have no other back-up 2/3 and he still wants to go.

Hurry up and sign Flip Murray.
yeah, because Mo Evans earned all of his PT with stellar play. Mo Evans was handed more minutes than he deserved. if you think Mo Evans outplayed Delfino and 'earned' his minutes you're fooling yourself.

point is, Delfino would string together some good games and then he'd get a DNP-CD as a reward.

If you expect to get more than Morris Peterson for a guy that has shown only 1 thing (that he's a whiny bitch) you're nuts.

Only way we get Mo Pete is if Colangelo has another Charlie for TJ trade in him, cuz that's exactly what Mo Pete for Delfino is.

I also hope he picks up Delfino's option and burries his bitch ass on the bench for two years. Let that whiny fucker run back to Europe once this contract is up.

You beat me to it.

If I'm Joe Dumars, I want to punish him for opening up his big fucking mouth right after I made a lopsided trade simply to accomodate his bitch ass.

I'd keep him under contract as long as I could, bury him on the end of the bench, or send him to the D league if its permissible under the CBA.

Why bother doing him the favor of trading him, if it brings nothing in return.

Then I'd turn to the rest of the players, and say "anyone else in here care to run off to their local paper and open up their big fucking mouth? I didn't think so."

(And then I'd strut away with my arms swinging like George Jefferson).

i think toronto might have bigger fish to fry with mo pete (and his expiring) than carlos delfino.

^which is why we would need to include Davis (expiring) and a pick.

I don't know where you guys are getting MoPete for Delfino straight up, that doesn't even come close to working.

Delfino can be considered an expiring deal too, since he's got a $1.9m team option for next year.

All 3 players involved in the trade idea I posted are expiring, so that's a non-issue.

i wouldnt trade a first rounder for mo, and i doubt theyd take a second rounder. how did mo become the guy that we think we could get?

you're never going to convince me that Mo Evans "earned" his minutes over Delfino.

this bad attitude stuff is overblown, imo. i'd much rather have a Delfino who wants to play as opposed to a questionable character guy who gets in trouble off the court or is known to be a lockerroom cancer. I don't need to. Look at their production with the time they had. Mo Evans was noticeably better with the time he was given. And if you think Carlos Delfino can guard Lebron James, I need some of whatever you're smoking.

PS-over/under on thread pages=9

over. horrible line.

^it's only two pages if you use the "40 posts per page" view, so you're still under

what is this '25 posts per page view' that you speak of?

It's actually 40, you must have seen it before I edited it.

quick links>edit options>thread display options>Number of Posts to Show Per Page>Show 40 posts per page

wtfdetroit.com+40posts viewed per page= crazy delicious

Hmmmm....setting a line on a manipulatable variable.....I'm off book duty.

If I am joe D, you absolutely have to play Delfino. If he wants to leave at the break, you can get a lot more for him. As it stands now, you won't even get a first rounder for him. Either way, we aren't going to win it, so might as well try and land a tradeable asset out of it. Besides, we really don't have a backup. I am loathe to use the BAE on a young guy that will likely leave our team in two years as a free agent when we have no Bird rights. By trading Evans, I hope Joe thinks this too, because he drafts for shit.

btw, watching the summer league highlights of Acker, i'd like to see him and Delfino compete for PT. Acker is just tearing it up and i'm interested in how his game will look as a SG instead of a PG.

then again, maybe Delfino can play a point forward type and Acker can play the two guard off the bench.

Toronto just got Salmons in a S&T, so we can probably forget them having any interest in Delfino, but then again, if they still want to add a big, they may think Davis, Delfino, Salmons and a pick > Salmons and MoPete

If I am joe D, you absolutely have to play Delfino. If he wants to leave at the break, you can get a lot more for him. As it stands now, you won't even get a first rounder for him. Either way, we aren't going to win it, so might as well try and land a tradeable asset out of it. Besides, we really don't have a backup. I am loathe to use the BAE on a young guy that will likely leave our team in two years as a free agent when we have no Bird rights. By trading Evans, I hope Joe thinks this too, because he drafts for shit.

This is actually an excellent point.

Getting him out there on the court more will (hopefully) increase his trade value. Even though I like his game, I'm okay with trading Delfino since he's clearly unhappy here. But I want something real back. If we can showcase him somewhat for 2 solid months, then we do well in a trade.

i fully expect us to keep Delfino IF we play him more and he shows enough production and progress. i mean, if he's getting the minutes and playing well, why trade him?

I don't think that Delfino necessarily needs to be "showcased" to be traded. As hard as we like to be on rival GMs here, for the most part, they know who can play and who can't, especially those with strong European/foreign scouts in place.

I wouldn't advocate giving Delfino away (ala Mo Evans), but if he can be used as a piece in a trade that improves the roster (and for a guy that actually wants to be here) I won't shed a tear.

I don't think that Delfino necessarily needs to be "showcased" to be traded. As hard as we like to be on rival GMs here, for the most part, they know who can play and who can't, especially those with strong European/foreign scouts in place.

I wouldn't advocate giving Delfino away (ala Mo Evans), but if he can be used as a piece in a trade that improves the roster (and for a guy that actually wants to be here) I won't shed a tear.

no doubt......as much as i must sound like i'm leading the Delfino bandwagon, i'd trade him in a heartbeat if it meant we're getting a proven upgrade. otherwise, he's all we've got right now. dumping him because he's unhappy with his limited PT is foolish.

honestly, the management's cry for more bench development has gotten me excited about this upcoming season. Flip said himself in his latest interview that they might have to "sacrifice wins" for the bench's development. i have no problems w/ that and it should be fun to watch our youngins being thrown in the fire.

Well, I waited for a better translation and ...

DAMN!

We seriously fucked up this off-season

Delfino to the Lakers for Samb is looking like a great fucking deal now.

But, as usual the front office fucks up again!

After Ben left we needed to do ONE fucking thing, and we didn't.

Trade Dale Davis and his nice expiring contract to Charlotte, with our 2007 first rounder if they demanded it for a future second round pick

That's it! That's the fucking deal.

Renounce Cato and chase free agents with $7,639,571 in cap space!

Yes, you can read. Now read it again!

After dealing away Evans and Davis for trade exceptions and losing Ben we'd just renounce Cato and our team salary would be:

$45,510,429

Sheed, Dice, Prince, Rip, Billups, Maxiell, Amir, Delfino, Hunter, Acker and the rights to Blalock and Samb on the books

$53,150,000 is the cap figure

Joe can still fucking sign Nazr for 4 years (plus that team option) starting at MLE type money ($5,215,000) and then have more than $2,424,571 to sign someone else.

Or, better yet - reduce Nazr's starting salary by $200,000 and use $2,600,000 to sign someone else.

But Oh No! Don't do that.

Instead, we're gonna have that exact line-up I mentioned (with Nazr) and Davis.

Who the fuck are we gonna get with the BAE? No one, is my guess.

No offense to Davis but I'd prefer we chase someone with that $2+ million instead.

Fuck this!

(and this is gonna get buried in here, but I don't give a fuck. I can't believe this fucking off-season. On the bright side Orlando signed the amazing Keith Bogans to replace the equally amazing DeShawn Stevenson and JJ Redick's back is still fucked!

Pray Joe, pray)

pray is right man. Maybe Howard will break his leg and we get the 7th pick next year. Otherwise it looks like a slippery slope.

Oh, and if you're wondering why Charlotte would possibly take Dale Davis off our hands, even IF we included a pick:

Their team salary for next season is approx $23.7 million

The league stipulates that all teams spend a minimum of $39,851,250

So they're way fucking short of that.

Taking Davis adds $3.5 mil to the payroll and they get to dump him after the season. For the hassle they get either our 2007 first (hopefully we could get it done with Minny's second rounder)

After all, we're doing them a favour.

Fuck, send them $3mil in cash to pay most of his fucking salary!

How difficult was this?

Fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk kkkkk

Their team salary for next season is approx $23.7 million

The league stipulates that all teams spend a minimum of $39,851,250


is there any sort of penalty for not meeting the minimum?

They pretty much just have to pay the difference between the minimum and their team's salary to the Players Association.

I would imagine there is some kind of penalty, though Fool.

Are you sure "Just paying the difference to the NBAPA" is it?

Either way, my scenario above (dealing Davis and spending cap space) is stil better than what we've got now.

No one decent is gonna sign for the BAE IMO, we won't use it and the roster we have now is what we're gonna have on opening night.

That's all I saw in the CBA. I went directly to the NBPA's posting but I only looked at the article that listed the minimum. If there is some sort of penalty beyond just paying the difference, its listed somewhere else (but that would be odd).

I'm sure Larry Coon would have it.

I'll take a look

I went to the NBPA because I didn't see anything when I glanced through Coon. It wasn't an exhaustive search though.

Oh, I noticed Hoopshype changed their cap figures.

Just to be clear:

After losing Ben we should not have signed anyone.

Instead we should have traded to Davis to Charlotte.

Then renounced Hunter and Cato's Bird Rights.

Those moves would have given us $9,438,331 in cap space.

If you really like Hunter then you can have him count against your cap for $2,550,000, which brings your cap space down to $6,888,331

The MLE and the BAE combined equal $6,965,000 and while you get to keep Davis and have Bird Rights on Hunter you also can't divide that figure up as you wish or use the entire amount on someone like Bonzi Wells or Al Harrington.

Naturally your bench would be fucked if you added just ONE free agent with that amount, so you wouldn't be that stupid.

You'd add 2(if you only had close to $7 mil) or 3(if you had close to $9.5 mil)

Mmmmmm, options!

Pity the front office didn't even look at these options. They jumped straight into bed with Nazr once Ben bolted. Should have been smarter and taken their time.

I looked through Coon's thing and couldn't find it.

I'm gonna see if I can locate an article I read (I think it was on here) about Charlotte that said they needed to acquire another $12 mil to meet the minimum.

I can't remember if it stated a penalty.

BTW, the penalty isn't important.

And if Charlotte wouldn't take Davis then deal him to Atlanta. They're under the minimum too.

BTW, if the front office followed what I'm saying they could have told Davidson "forget the luxury tax - we're not even gonna be close to it"

Being $10,000,000 under the cap? That's fucking insane when you consider our starters (Sheed, Dice, Prince, Rip, Billups).

Add 2 guys at $4,500,000 each and we go 7 deep, without including Delfino and Maxiell.

Didn't Joe mention something about an "Elite 8"?

If you could knock the starting salaries down a little you could get another player and be 10 deep, without Davis and Hunter on our roster.

^I just read the article that you are referring to about 5 minutes ago. I think it said they need to add $6m in salaries to get up to the minimum, and they mentioned that re-signing Bernard Robinson, Jake Voskuhl and one other player (whose name escapes me) would probably do just about that.

There wasn't any mention about the penalty for not doing so.

GD - I'm 99% sure they need to spend more than $6mil.

Of course, the total I posted comes from Hoopshype (the only available source I have for yearly salaries) so it could be wrong.

The minimum figure I posted is from Jonathon G from Draft Express.

http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/06-07salaries.htm

I was turned on to this link recently. I haven't had enough opportunity to see how accurate it really is.

GD - I'm 99% sure they need to spend more than $6mil.

Of course, the total I posted comes from Hoopshype (the only available source I have for yearly salaries) so it could be wrong.

The minimum figure I posted is from Jonathon G from Draft Express.

I'm not saying that you are wrong, but here is the quote/link.

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/15010327.htm


Currently at about $26 million in payroll, the Bobcats will have to spend roughly $6 million more to reach the anticipated NBA minimum for the season. However, some of that money will likely go to Bernard Robinson and Kevin Burleson and the team also could re-sign reserve center Jake Voskuhl.

Now that article is from 7/11 (before the salary limits were announced) so maybe somebody from the Pistons front office staff was helping them with their numbers.

Their team salary for next season is approx $23.7 million

The league stipulates that all teams spend a minimum of $39,851,250


Well, the Hoopshype total is off by approx $2.3 million GD (first round pick Morrison, perhaps?)

But that minimum figure is not off IMO because the source is well respected.

I also saw that number posted on the CBA board of RGM by Jonathon G and none of those cap gurus (Coon posts there) questioned it.

So, $26 million + $6 million for their free agents (I'll believe your link GD) = $32 million, not $39,851,000

So yes, the Bobcats must have the same fucking accountants that we have, (nice, line btw)

And Fool - can you post that link in the Links thread? That way I'll remember where to go so I can check some of the salaries (or compare them to Hoopshype)

It sucks we don't have a 100% accurate salary site.

The league should release that info ...

They do. ESPN's trade machine.

Fuck trading every guy in the league just to see the salary though.

Checked Fool's link:

Speedy Claxton will make: $5,357,143 next season.

Full MLE, right?

Wrong:


The league also announced that the median salary, which determines the all-important mid-level exception, will be $5.215 million.


link for my quote:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=newsalarycap&prov=st&type=lgns

That MLE figure is what Jonathon G posted, so I'm claiming his figures are legit.

I also saw that number posted on the CBA board of RGM by Jonathon G and none of those cap gurus (Coon posts there) questioned it.

And Fool - can you post that link in the Links thread? That way I'll remember where to go so I can check some of the salaries (or compare them to Hoopshype)

CBA board?

Will do, about the link.

Does Charlotte have the full cap yet? Because that may be the difference.

AFAIK, Charlotte has the full cap this season, but they are hemorraging money, and won't make any bold moves in FA until they sort out a direction under MJ.

StoryTeller is legit and a big Sheed fan. He's a die hard TrailBlazer slappy. If you spot inaccuracies in his work, email him. He's very approachable.

Also, he is a decent source of available TEs and their values/expiry dates.

The Pistons should trade Delfino for a future 2nd rd pick. In his place, they hire me and my cousin for 50k a piece. I'll take over his role of fuckin cry baby and my cousin will bring his broke ass jump shot to the table. Together we'll be as productive, and the save the team over 1 million dollars.

Make it happen Joe, I emailed you my phone number.

The Pistons should trade Delfino for a future 2nd rd pick. In his place, they hire me and my cousin for 50k a piece. I'll take over his role of fuckin cry baby and my cousin will bring his broke ass jump shoot to the table. Together we'll be as productive, and the save the team over 1 million dollars.

Make it happen Joe, I emailed you my phone number.
LMFAO! One of the single greatest posts in messageboard history!

If Dumars trades Delfino for a pick he'll just sign another guy from Senegal. Since that guy's agent will be the Christian's Childrens Fund Davidson can get away with paying that him for 35 cents a day.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060719/SPORTS03/607190368/1051


DELFINO DRAMA: Forward Carlos Delfino made comments in a Spanish-language publication last week that carried unhappy undertones, although exact translations can be spotty.

But Dumars said Delfino indicated at the end of the season that he wants to be in Detroit.

"If he thinks he should be somewhere else," Dumars said, "I'll call you guys and say, 'We made a trade.' It's simple. There's no gray area for me."

Does anyone else think Joe doesn't sound too happy with Delfino right now?

But Dumars said Delfino indicated at the end of the season that he wants to be in Detroit.


So when is Joe gonna make that phone call?

Or is he gonna pretend Delfino's little bitch session never happened?

Or is he gonna pretend Delfino's little bitch session never happened?
did you ever think that possibly it didn't. we dont talk about that spanish newspaper if they don't come up with a juicy delfino interview.

With that said, i don't think we are dumping anybody right now and I'm more worried about who we added.

I doubt they'd just invent an interview.

And I'm at peace with who we added.

I can post 10 different scenarios but that doesn't mean we don't end up with Ben in Chicago, Nazr, Flip and Dupree in Detroit for real.

When I'm pissed I just focus on my belief that Orlando will be a Lotto team next season.

How do you suppress the knowledge that Joe can't draft worth a damn?

Maybe we'd be better off if Orlando squeeked into the playoffs. Joe seems to do better with those mid-late first rounders (like Prince).

It's said that we have to hope for a crappier pick for Joe to do well.

It's said that we have to hope for a crappier pick for Joe to do well.

co-signed.

I doubt they'd just invent an interview.

And I'm at peace with who we added.
1.) i never said invented. in fact i dont think they've never invented any interview. embelished, rearranged, and whatever liberties needed to be taken for juicier news on a hometown guy, whose interviews arent worth much compared to ginobli and/or nocioni unless theres atleast some sort of drama. but no i'm very sure they interviewed him. just not so sure they printed/translated the conversation honestly.

2.)is it ok for me to find it odd you're at peace with this offseason personel wise and was disgruntled with last season personel wise(in which we fielded a better team)?:cool: All kidding aside i may be at peace with results in the playoffs. but otherwise not much peace with two players i didnt care for in the first place being added to the roster. though i'm one of the few at peace with the ronald dupree signing for depth. trading delfino isnt a legitimate option for us unless amir goes psycho at the 3 position in the preseason.

i do find it 'strange' that this 2nd thing with delfino has not been picked up by any detroit media.

at least, not in any of the detroit papers i've seen.

or maybe i missed something...?

i do find it 'strange' that this 2nd thing with delfino has not been picked up by any detroit media.

at least, not in any of the detroit papers i've seen.

or maybe i missed something...?


You're shocked that Detroit writers aren't doing their job? Don't worry Joe will tell them what to say once Delfino is traded. Then all you will hear is how bad of a person Carlos was. There is an obvious issue that no one ever reports every year in Detroit because they don't want to find their own way to games. Look at Joe talking about Darko now, basically calling him a cancer who was a problem from day one, yet 2 weeks before he was traded and in every interview before that said Darko was progessing nicely and he was the right pick for the team. As for those writers that aren't doing their jobs it doesn't surprise me McCluess and Co all went on the air on every radio station saying they would swear on their lives darko would not be traded, and called out everyone who believed darko would be moved as stupid.The beat writers are all bought and paid for. Look at Danny Knobler, when the team (Tigers) were bad he didn't mind saying what he felt because he didn't care if he had to cover the team. Now that the team is winning he doesn't have a single opinion, every trade rumor he laughes off.

i dont begrudge joe for giving us BS. and i dont even really mind the media playing along so much (obviously, its in their best interest to do so). i just wish we had one good sports writer in detroit that didnt have to tote the company line. wojo is ok. drew sharp (sigh) seems to fit the bill somewhat.

the best bball writer in the country (left) is jason whitlock, imo. he writes for kansas city and espn, but for whatever reason he has a keen interest in detroit sports. hes someone who is almost always 100% on the ball.

theres not a writer in detroit that i would recommend.

You're shocked that Detroit writers aren't doing their job? Don't worry Joe will tell them what to say once Delfino is traded. Then all you will hear is how bad of a person Carlos was.
co-signed.

I'm pretty sure that we will hear about what a bad free throw shooter Carlos was, and how his game has been degrading.

Then we will be told that he didn't "fit".

Joe is like Pontius Pilate. He washes his hands of Carlitos when he says, "I like him", thereby opening it up that anything that happens to Carlos re: PT or trade was not because the organization didn't give all of their heart and soul to him.

Sometimes you get a decent opinon from Keith Langlois of The Oakland Press.

i do find it 'strange' that this 2nd thing with delfino has not been picked up by any detroit media.

at least, not in any of the detroit papers i've seen.

or maybe i missed something...?


2nd thing? The 2nd thing with Delfino happened 3 years ago.

You guys are acting like he's supposed to call his players puke garbage, and then ask for a great trade in return for them.

He HAS to speak glowingly of them until they are gone, and then the truth comes out.

Some here see it as a smear campaign. I see it as used car salesmen selling damaged goods and claiming they drive like a dream.

Maybe I'd see it more the other way if I thought Joe was wrong to say Darko didn't fit here. Maybe if we picked Wade instead of Darko, and traded HIM for Kelvin Cato, and then Joe and the media started trashing HIM, I'd think they were toting the company line.

But for Joe to say nice things about Darko, trade him, and then admit he wasn't going to pan out here? It is what it is and it do what it do, saith Sheed.

Tay, I don't expect Joe to bash anyone for the very reason you pointed out, what I expect is a journalist do their job ask the hard question and bust Joe's balls.

How are the beat writers doing the job they are paid to do by their media outlets if they are only reporting Pistons propaganda? I am not asking anyone to attempt a coup but I am little sick of the dog and pony show. It seems like in every sport in Detroit our reporters are getting scouped by the national media 3000 miles away. As a person who knows a national writer I know for one Joe's phone is ringing everyday, or he is making calls sending out scouts to check on something yet McClueless acts like the trade deadline is only time the phone rings. I am sick of the sackless media. Boo hoo if Mr. D doesn't send you a fruit cake for the holiday or should I say 10% off coupon for your next holiday fruit cake purchase, ask the tough question write the tough truth.

None of these hacks would make it in a real media city. Another example but a different sport all day the day Mooch was fired Killer and Ortiz were reporting from deep within Allen Park probably sitting on Mr. Ford's lap, yet Jay Glazer broke the story from Chicago.

You can't tell me that the media is doing their job if their contacts suck.

JS:

I agree with you. Unfortunately, this is not an issue that is limited to media coverage of sports.

What you are seeing with the Pistons is the same thing we see from the media's coverage of the Bush White House.

The first tough question you ask, you get a dirty look.

The second tough question you ask, they stop calling on you in press conferences.

The third tough question you ask, they pull your press credentials, and you're done asking questions altogether, because you're not even allowed in the building.

Instead of calling on you, they call on someone who throws them a softball, which makes it easier for them to get their pre-determined message out.

So, you avoid asking the tough questions, and the media turns into nothing more than a sounding board for whatever propaganda the team/government wants you to hear.

I just read Eric Alterman's "What Liberal Media. The Truth About Bias In The News." The book explained the liberal media myth, proved that its really a conservative media, and discussed how it became that way, including what I typed above. Its an interesting read, and it appears to apply to the Pistons in this discussion.

Is it liberal or conservative for the media to speculate if Delfino has a vagina?

Carlos Delfino:" I want to leave Detroit, but they don't let me go."

"I had a pretty good offer from the Wizards and others from the Lakers and Nuggets, but Detroit will only let me go to play in Europe. The FC Barcelona interest is true, but i would rather play in Italy." said Delfino


http://www.hoopshype.com/rumors.htm


http://www.lanacion.com.ar/deportiva/nota.asp?nota_id=825897



we got a first round pick and Cato for Darko, perhaps we can get a 2nd round pick for this bum

Hoopshype again says Carlos Delfino : "I want to leave Detroit but they wont let me go."

Another one

"I had a pretty good offer from the Wiz and others from the Lakers and Nuggets but Detroit will only let me play in Europe. The FC Barcelona interest is true but I would rather play in Italy."

Anyone care to translate some shit?


MAR DEL PLATA (De un enviado especial).- "Yo me quiero ir de Detroit, pero no quieren; no me dejan. Tengo un año más de contrato y otro con opción a favor de ellos", contó Carlos Delfino, el alero de los Pistons en la NBA, a poco de llegar a Mar del Plata y concentrarse con el seleccionado.

"Tuve una oferta muy interesante de Washington y otras de los Lakers y Denver, pero Detroit no me quiere prestar dentro de la NBA. Si me dejan ir, es a Europa. Lo de Barcelona es cierto: quiere llevarme, pero yo tengo más ganas de volver a jugar en Italia, de donde también me llamaron", agregó el santafecino, con cierta resignación.

"Creo que hasta después del Mundial nada se va a definir. Hay tiempo todavÃfudgea, pero yo me siento como preso, si no voy a tener minutos, no quiero seguir en Detroit; ellos lo saben", finalizó.

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/825897

Can we all agree that he needs to go now?

BABELFISH TRANSLATION:


Delfino wants to leave Detroit and they do not leave it SEA Of the SILVER (Of a special envoy). - "I am wanted to go of Detroit, but they do not want; they do not leave me. I have a year more of contract and another one with option in favor of them ", counted Carlos Delfino, the eaves of the Pistons in the NBA, soon after arriving at Sea of the Silver and concentrating themselves with the selected one. "I had a very interesting supply of Washington and others of the Lakers and Denver, but Detroit does not want to me to render within the NBA. If they let to me go, is to Europe. The one of Barcelona is certain: he wants to take to me, but I have more desire to return to play in Italy, of where also they called to me ", she added the santafecino, with certain resignation. "I believe that after the World-wide anything one is going away to define. There is time still, but I feel like prisoner, if I am not going to have minutes, I do not want to follow in Detroit; they know it ", finalized.

"she" is not a coincidence

Can we all agree that he needs to go now?

BABELFISH TRANSLATION:


Delfino wants to leave Detroit and they do not leave it SEA Of the SILVER (Of a special envoy). - "I am wanted to go of Detroit, but they do not want; they do not leave me. I have a year more of contract and another one with option in favor of them ", counted Carlos Delfino, the eaves of the Pistons in the NBA, soon after arriving at Sea of the Silver and concentrating themselves with the selected one. "I had a very interesting supply of Washington and others of the Lakers and Denver, but Detroit does not want to me to render within the NBA. If they let to me go, is to Europe. The one of Barcelona is certain: he wants to take to me, but I have more desire to return to play in Italy, of where also they called to me ", she added the santafecino, with certain resignation. "I believe that after the World-wide anything one is going away to define. There is time still, but I feel like prisoner, if I am not going to have minutes, I do not want to follow in Detroit; they know it ", finalized.

Yeah, he needs to go, but what's with this- "I got offers from the Lakers and Wizards". Since when can people talk to people under contract or is he just mentioning offers that teams sent Joe/his agent?

I'm guessing that they (Pistons) gave his agent permission to go out and find a deal. Apparently, they didn't like what they heard.

First person to comment on "miscommunication" gets punched.

IBSSTWSHKME

He deserves to be stoned to death with big fucking rocks.

Did Ronald Dupree look at Delfino and say "you're my bitch"?

Geezus...

Did Ronald Dupree look at Delfino and say "you're my bitch"?



I hope he did, and I hope someone got it on tape!

IBSSTWSHKME

I'm really trying, Glenn, I really am.

IBSSTWSHKME
in before someone says that we should hit karl malone's ear?

http://static.flickr.com/29/58557557_a2e41d9878_m.jpg

i'm stumped.

IBSSTWSHKME
in before someone says that we should hit karl malone's ear?


Bold part is correct, let me know when you need a hint on the rest.

Courtesy of Webster.com

Main Entry: fino
Pronunciation: 'fE-(")nO
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural finos
Etymology: Spanish, from fino fine, from fin end, from Latin finis
: a very dry Spanish sherry

Main Entry: sher·ry
Pronunciation: 'sher-E
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural sherries
Etymology: alteration of earlier sherris (taken as plural), from Xeres (now Jerez), Spain
: a Spanish fortified wine with a distinctive nutty flavor; also : a similar wine produced elsewhere

Carlos is el Fino. A very dry spanish whine.

IBSSTWSHKME
in before someone says that we should hit karl malone's ear?

Bold part is correct, let me know when you need a hint on the rest.

in before someone says that we should have kate moss eat?

http://www.thesuperficial.com/archives/kate_moss_coke.jpg

damn it, i hate these because once i hear the answer, it'll have seemed so obvious....

IBSSTWSHKME
in before someone says that we should hit karl malone's ear?


Bold part is correct, let me know when you need a hint on the rest.

In before someone says that we should have killed mo evans?

^Only one word off, but I suppose that's good enough.

In before someone says that we should have kept mo evans?

DAMN!!!!

In before someone says that we should have kept mo evans?

http://www.hoopshype.com/players/maurice_evans.jpg
R.I.P.

Did Ronald Dupree look at Delfino and say "you're my bitch"?

Geezus...

No, I think what happened is Dupree broke Delfino's portable DVD player.

I'm guessing that they (Pistons) gave his agent permission to go out and find a deal. Apparently, they didn't like what they heard.
Gotta love that Joe mentioned as recently as a week or so ago that they weren't looking to move him.

Someone is a liar.

I'm guessing that they (Pistons) gave his agent permission to go out and find a deal. Apparently, they didn't like what they heard.
Gotta love that Joe mentioned as recently as a week or so ago that they weren't looking to move him.

Someone is a liar.

Or the permission to find a deal thing was just speculation. Teams could have called with offers, but that doesn't mean that Delfino was seaking a trade.

for the record, it was certainly just speculation on my part

If he really is demanding we trade him, then trade him. But I won't move him for a 2nd round pick. it's not enough IMO. 2nd rounders rarely amount to anything. While delfino has been a whiner, he still has far more skills than I would risk on a 2nd rounder. I'd rather take the risk of playing him heavy minutes at the start of the year and see how he responds. I bet he'd stop bitching if he played consistantly. And he'd play consistantly if his shot comes back. Those are all "IFs" though, and mean jack shit if they don't all happen.

Now if you can package him with Davis for a solid swingman than go ahead.

Now if you can package him with Cato for a solid swingman than go ahead.

fixed

It's better to try and raise Delfino's trade value a little before trading him. Give him some minutes for the first 10-15 games, and try to raise it enough to get somethign good. The risk is that he sucks it up and his value decreases *screech*

It's better to try and raise Delfino's trade value a little before trading him. Give him some minutes for the first 10-15 games, and try to raise it enough to get somethign good. The risk is that he sucks it up and his value decreases *screech*

Not possible.

the good thing about carlos bitching is that its in spanish and no one understands/cares.

i'd just hold on to him. we can have new found lockerroom leader/franchise cornerpiece nazr muhammed try to talk some sense into him.

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/stories/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1153784414132040.xml&coll=1


Pistons don't put much stock in story that Delfino wants out

Tuesday, July 25, 2006
By A. Sherrod Blakely

AUBURN HILLS -- The Detroit Pistons are putting little stock in a story out of Argentina in which forward Carlos Delfino reportedly told La Nacion newspaper that he wants to leave the Pistons but that they won't let him.

The story is in striking contrast to conversations the Pistons have had with the 6-foot-7 Delfino, an Argentine native who will be in his third NBA season.

"In our face-to-face meetings, he has given us every indication that he wants to play in Detroit, that he doesn't want to be traded, and that he wants to be the best NBA player he can be," John Hammond, Detroit's vice president of basketball operations, said on Monday. "We fully expect him to come in and be a player that will contribute this season."

In June, Pistons president of basketball operations Joe Dumars spoke with Delfino about whether he wanted to remain with the team.

Delfino told Dumars his preference would be to stay in Detroit, but if head coach Flip Saunders didn't want him or if he wasn't going to play, a trade might be the best thing for both parties.

Team officials assured Delfino there would be more opportunities to play next season, after several roster changes were made.

Last month, the Pistons traded Maurice Evans, who split playing time with Delfino last season, to the Los Angeles Lakers for their second-round draft pick, 7-foot-1 Cheick Samb of Senegal. Earlier this month, the Pistons added small forward Ronald Dupree, a player Delfino beat out for playing time in training camp last season.

The Pistons are not that concerned about Delfino's comments to La Nacion. It's one thing for a player to spout off in July. It's a totally different matter if he's making the same comments when training camp begins in October.

"If he says he thinks he should be somewhere else, then I'll be calling you guys together and say, `We just made a trade,' " Dumars said earlier this month. "It's simple. It's not a gray area for me. It's black and white."

Doesn't sound like the Pistons/Delfino speak very often, does it?

In June, Pistons president of basketball operations Joe Dumars spoke with Delfino about whether he wanted to remain with the team.

Delfino told Dumars his preference would be to stay in Detroit, but if head coach Flip Saunders didn't want him or if he wasn't going to play, a trade might be the best thing for both parties.
hmmm he doesnt seem to trust Flip to play him regardless of dumars telling him to.

In June, Pistons president of basketball operations Joe Dumars spoke with Delfino about whether he wanted to remain with the team.

Delfino told Dumars his preference would be to stay in Detroit, but if head coach Flip Saunders didn't want him or if he wasn't going to play, a trade might be the best thing for both parties.
hmmm he doesnt seem to trust Flip to play him regardless of dumars telling him to.

That's your take on that? WOW!

I read that as:

"If Flip doesn't want me here or he isn't going to play me then you need to trade me"

So, Joe traded Evans! Pretty simple IMO.

I hope that fucker doesn't play a minute this year and has to run back to Europe. Fuck that bitch and any pansy that supports him.

LMAO - at least Diddy is consistent.

I hope Delfino dominates this season!

And I hope that would mean the team played well and won a lot of games