http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060705/SPORTS04/60705025/1004/SPORTS

Cuban got robbed, wow.

Not if they get Mike James as has been rumored.

Why would they need 3 point guards unless one decided on shifting to 2 guard(most likely Terry). If I'm correct, Stack is their only 2 guard now. If they dont get MIke James, they did get robed

is croshere an expiring contract?

yeah.

Cuban's positioning himself to be under the luxury tax by next season. This was basically a salary dump.

Yes, Croshere is expiring.

A luxury tax trade, plain and simple.

A luxury tax trade, plain and simple.

Wait, I thought we were the only team in the NBA that cared about the luxury tax....

I hope Cuban's happy with his billions. He obviously doesn't care about winning basketball. Only owners that don't care about winning care about the luxury tax.

Me also thinks Wells is NOT landing in Indy now.

Kstat, don't be a fucking moron.

ALL owners care about the luxury tax, except the Knicks.

And that may change sooner rather than later.

Cutting salary and refusing to go over the tax are 2 very different things.

Cutting salary and refusing to go over the tax are 2 very different things.

Not if you wind up at the same place.

from what i was hearing a week or so ago, the mavs were looking to move daniels ANYWAY because he was unsatisfied with the lack of playing opportunity.

so perhaps this is an everybody wins type of scenario. anybody they get back for daniels will likely struggle to get minutes. so this move allows them some room under the tax after the season while removing a potential problem from the roster at the same time.

Daniels is exactly the type of player we need of the bench...can play 1-3 and he's a slasher...plus he played the best D on Wade in the finals

Wow.



Indiana just raped Dallas.

Wow.



Indiana just raped Dallas.

Indiana needed to give a good raping. Speaking of, we're about due to rape some poor, unsuspecting team any day now.

Wow.



Indiana just raped Dallas.

Indiana needed to give a good raping. Speaking of, we're about due to rape some poor, unsuspecting team any day now.
Hmm who's ass is healed?

Daniels is exactly the type of player we need of the bench...can play 1-3 and he's a slasher...plus he played the best D on Wade in the finals

You just descirbed Delfino.

^ agree 100%

I hope he starts proving people right from now on as opposed to proving people wrong....

Because he's had so much chances to prove it. And when he's been on the court, he did nothing but prove it. Shut up.

Shut up.

No, you shut up.

Well, thats all I need to know. I'll end it there.

A luxury tax trade, plain and simple.

Wait, I thought we were the only team in the NBA that cared about the luxury tax....

I hope Cuban's happy with his billions. He obviously doesn't care about winning basketball. Only owners that don't care about winning care about the luxury tax.

hey, i have an idea. every time a team decides to cut salary/not bring a guy back, lets use that as justification for your dumbass stance that we're better off not bringing back a 5(?) time allstar center. YOUR WINNING! YOUR WINNING!

this is much closer to the pistons dumping evans' contract than letting ben walk to the bulls.

Well at least The Hair Club for Men-Dallas gets a new client. Hell, maybe Croshere and Cuban can even make joint appointments so they can hang out together?






Sorry Cubes, I know you are reading this, just a joke, you're still my guy.

Daniels is exactly the type of player we need of the bench...can play 1-3 and he's a slasher...plus he played the best D on Wade in the finals
You just descirbed Delfino.

heh, i was thinking the same thing when i read his post.

Delfino 4 MIPOY in 07!! [smilie=running.gif]

Cuban was missing KVH so he got the next best thing.

Daniels is exactly the type of player we need of the bench...can play 1-3 and he's a slasher...plus he played the best D on Wade in the finals
You just descirbed Delfino.

heh, i was thinking the same thing when i read his post.

Delfino 4 MIPOY in 07!! [smilie=running.gif]


Delfino= Daniels with less results and 30% shooting. But I'm praying with you guys. Delfino for MIPOY!

Kstat: Um, nevermind.

I'm not gonna waste my time

lmao.

Deflino has never showed any of the ability that Daniels has. And Dallas has been trying to move him for years now. He just doesn't fit their system and what they need. He would have been a great fit for Detroit. I don't really see what the point of trading for Croshere is...he's better than nothing, but not much. Now it will be Harris and Jet starting, Ager and Stack as the backups, Howard and Dirk as the forwards and I suppose Croshere will be a backup for Dirk. Maybe they expect Josh Powell, who played well this year, to backup Howard.

People need to start realizing that Delfino is trash.

Delfino needs to develop a jumpshot, finishing skills, and more consistent defense before I start praising him.

Deflino has never showed any of the ability that Daniels has. And Dallas has been trying to move him for years now. He just doesn't fit their system and what they need. He would have been a great fit for Detroit. I don't really see what the point of trading for Croshere is...he's better than nothing, but not much. Now it will be Harris and Jet starting, Ager and Stack as the backups, Howard and Dirk as the forwards and I suppose Croshere will be a backup for Dirk. Maybe they expect Josh Powell, who played well this year, to backup Howard.

It was a cap/tax move, nothing else.

I think it was a smart move. Dallas needs a replacement for KVH, Croshere is a poor man's version of that, Indy needed a real SG since they have an abundance of 3's. No question this deal had to do with the lux tax after this season but also it had to do with production. Daniels needs to be a starter to get his or at least be worth the moeny he is paid, Croshere is a productive bench player who knows his roles. Much to the chagrin of many who think they know basketball, talent is only part of the puzzle to have a good team, you need guys who are willing to accept roles, and not need major PT to be effective.

I know I will get blasted for this but KVH may not be a bad option for our bench at BAE pay. He can be an effective asset, and here it's not like he has to be a top option offensively and would not be overpaid which is why a lot of people have been critical of his game come playoff time. I know he is not very atheltic and has had a history of injuries but as a 7th man based on the limted options out there is not that bad.

its a dark day in motown when we give kvh consideration. if the bulls get kg, i'm officially annoyed.

So KVH was a FA?

If the Bulls get KG without losing Tyrus Thomas and Ben Gordon, I'm going to ...uh nevermind.

I see an interesting pattern showing through more and more everytime certain players get mentioned by posters, and it is seems like the same argument time after time, no objective stats to back up the reasoning. We need guys who can contibute, we need guys who can get our starters and Dice to the post season without playing 40 mpg to eeck out wins. KVH is that type of player, he is a veteran who can play more minutes when called upon and can rest our starters.

I see an interesting pattern showing through more and more everytime certain players get mentioned by posters, and it is seems like the same argument time after time, no objective stats to back up the reasoning. We need guys who can contibute, we need guys who can get our starters and Dice to the post season without playing 40 mpg to eeck out wins. KVH is that type of player, he is a veteran who can play more minutes when called upon and can rest our starters.
I apologize because you would be including me in that statement.

Is there any dispute to his playoff performance as inconsistent? Any issue with me saying he can't defend at even an average level? If so yikes!!!:eek:

Much like mo evans he can only hit open 3 pointers with no ball handles or inside presence. he's tall but can't even block shots, he shot 42 percent in a role where he's only asked to knock down open jumpers(his supposed strength oddly enough). He doesn't cause many turnovers, and even in limited minutes he found a way to get seriously injured[smilie=sad3.gif] ...

Now he could very well pan out, but i'm officially doubting it in my own opinion based on what he's done for most of his career, which is basically be a tall mo evans. I didnt think that type of player fit before, and i don't still don't think they do now. Thats my reasoning, take it for what its worth.

Thanks Gutz that is all I was looking for, it just gets old when ever we mention a name and instead of debating the merits it turns into poo flinging contest.

I agree with everything you said BTW, but my contention is if we could get a guy that could play big in the regular season, and allow the starters to rest if they pull a disappearing act in the playoffs the starters are rested and prepared to handle it. The last two years the bench has been 1 or two guys and the starters are dead come the second round. I am not looking for a Robert Horry, I am looking for a guy to keep us rested so when we get the playoffs our front court is still viable. It is flawed logic but given this offseason's start we need something because conventional wisdom is missing.

JS - I know what you're talking about.

I posted a Dale Davis + 2007 Detroit pick for Juan Dixon + #30 deal before the Draft and many people blasted the idea.

I claimed Dixon would give us the slasher we need and he'd allow our guards some rest during the season. I can't even recall why so many people were against it.

I think the most common reason was "Dixon sucks". Not a real reason IMO.

Anyway, if we could get KVH for the BAE we should do it. It's going to be pretty hard to find a decent option with that exception

Um, Gutz re-read this part of JS's post


I am not looking for a Robert Horry, I am looking for a guy to keep us rested so when we get the playoffs our front court is still viable.

JS states that KVH is no Robert Horry.

Then you break down why KVH is no Horry? Why?

my bad Phar. just got home 15 minutes ago and i'm very toasted. not pissy drunk though. just happy buzzed my friend. [smilie=paca.gif]

Cool - hope you had a great night!

Sleep it off or stay drunk - whatever you prefer

Cool - hope you had a great night!

Sleep it off or stay drunk - whatever you prefer
just buzzing. my motor skills are fine. just misread some shit in JS post. i had to drive home so getting full drunk wasn't an option. was at a birthday get together. had a good enough night.

Cool - B'days are a good excuse to drink.

Here in Oz whenever the sun comes up we've got an excuse

Cool - B'days are a good excuse to drink.

Here in Oz whenever the sun comes up we've got an excuse
LMAO. So does my uncle. I can only hope you guys look better than him and have had less alcoholic seizures than his sorry ass. of course sunrise, sunset, midday, and every moment in between is drink time for him.[smilie=burgerking.:

to get back on subject, I hope KVH isnt our best option. I'd rather give the youth a shot myself.

Also the damiels trade makes sense for indy mostlty. daniels gets what he wants and indy gets rid of croshere finally.

Yeah, back on track I think Indy made a good move.

So did Dallas, cause they save some tax money and get a big to come off the bench behind Dirk.

KVH might be an option for us, but I doubt Joe is looking at him.

Rasual Butler is more Joe's type of free agent.

AH, I cant remember but one team was looking to get Butler, or was it Stevenson..[smilie=sayitaintso:

^NJN for Butler (rumored)

Wizards for Stevenson (rumored)

BTW, Indiana just reassigned assistant coach Kevin O'Neil to "consultant" for Rick Nation. Johnny Davis (pic below) looks to be coming in as lead assistant. If it goes like that, its pretty much a defense for offense switch.

http://www.vtams.biz/nfanimg/coaches/johnny%20davis.jpg

First no contract extention now his assistants are getting the axe by management. Looks like Carlisle will be on the market next season.

P.S. (We all know Ben didn't like Rick, but I imagine Chauncey loved the "make sure the PG shoots half the shots every game" plan of RC ...)

Yeah, back on track I think Indy made a good move.

So did Dallas, cause they save some tax money and get a big to come off the bench behind Dirk.

KVH might be an option for us, but I doubt Joe is looking at him.

Rasual Butler is more Joe's type of free agent.

I would definitely like to add Butler.

KVH is no Horry because Horry plays defense, hustles, and hits clutch shots. KVH is a good guy and he wasn't a problem for Dallas or anything but I don't see that he adds anything. Detroit doesn't need another Sheed/Dice type. They need a legit starting center that's good for 10 points and 10 rebounds a game and I'm not sure Mohammed can be that guy. I don't see why you guys disliked Evans so much, he was good for energy for 5-10 minutes a game and that's all he shoulda been used for. It's Flip's fault if he played too much.

I'm starting to get pretty depressed about next year.

i'm not sure that Nazr can't be 10/10.

look at his career stats. any time he averaged over 20 minutes a game for an entire season he was close to a double double guy:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3272/career

To get back on topic, congrats to Marquis Daniels. He's officially got more teeth than the entire Pacers fan base.