http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2509256

Hope we didn't give the full MLE. Don't mind the price, just not 5 years. 3 or 4 hopefully.

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This is the worst two days since I've been a Pistons fan. That includes the Bulls sweeping us in 1991, dennis rodman essentially for billy curley, and Grant Hill leaving for what we thought was nothing. This ranks above the day they unveiled teal even. Don't even know what to say...

This is the worst two days since I've been a Pistons fan. That includes the Bulls sweeping us in 1991, dennis rodman essentially for billy curley, and Grant Hill leaving for what we thought was nothing. This ranks above the day they unveiled teal even. Don't even know what to say...

Varsity, I'm with you man. We lose Ben, sign Mohammed and are talking about signing Joel Przybilla. JOEL PRZYBILLA! This is officially the beginning of the end.

This is the worst two days since I've been a Pistons fan. That includes the Bulls sweeping us in 1991, dennis rodman essentially for billy curley, and Grant Hill leaving for what we thought was nothing. This ranks above the day they unveiled teal even. Don't even know what to say...

Varsity, I'm with you man. We lose Ben, sign Mohammed and are talking about signing Joel Przybilla. JOEL PRZYBILLA! This is officially the beginning of the end.

We won't sign Przybilla now that we've signed Mohammed.

This is the worst two days since I've been a Pistons fan. That includes the Bulls sweeping us in 1991, dennis rodman essentially for billy curley, and Grant Hill leaving for what we thought was nothing. This ranks above the day they unveiled teal even. Don't even know what to say...
Varsity, I'm with you man. We lose Ben, sign Mohammed and are talking about signing Joel Przybilla. JOEL PRZYBILLA! This is officially the beginning of the end. Joel Przybilla is a top 5 defensive center. We're not talking about Jake Voskuhl here, folks. And it really doesn't matter now that we got Nazr.

I've gone to missing Darko, to really wanting Joel in 24 hours.

Joe D is fucking up my mind.

Terms of the contract are unavailable, but speculated to be at around $30 million over 5 years.

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The only thing I can hope on is that Joel just turned us down. If they did this without hearing back from JP, that'd be even worse. I could have lived with JP, but Nazr is terrible. Of course all this is moot now. Ben Wallace is probably cracking up right now.

. Ben Wallace is probably cracking up right now.
I would think so as many times as he's made Nazr his bitch.

The only thing I can hope on is that Joel just turned us down. If they did this without hearing back from JP, that'd be even worse. I could have lived with JP, but Nazr is terrible. Of course all this is moot now. Ben Wallace is probably cracking up right now.

We're talking about variables of suck anyway.

Joey Harrington or Jeff Garcia, does it really matter?

Yeah, I'm grasping at straws...

The Pistons seem to grasping @ nothing! We should be losing "Trust in Joe D"

The only thing I can hope on is that Joel just turned us down. If they did this without hearing back from JP, that'd be even worse. I could have lived with JP, but Nazr is terrible. Of course all this is moot now. Ben Wallace is probably cracking up right now.
We're talking about variables of suck anyway.

Joey Harrington or Jeff Garcia, does it really matter? Yes it does matter. We're talking a difference of one the best defenders at the 5 in the league and one of the worse. Who's worse at D than Nazr? You could probably count them on one hand. LaFrentz, Brezec, Blount... there's not many.

Dumars went for the sure thing. Przybilla has a handful of options to consider, and I guess Dumars didn't want to wait, have Nazr Mohammed signed and then watch Przybilla sign elsewhere and have us left with nothing.

According to WDFN, the Pistons were scared off of Przybilla's chrinic knee issues.

It's pretty damn telling that San Antonio has no centers under contract at the moment and didn't think enough of the guy to try and keep him.

Maybe we could S&T Dale Davis and the TE to San Antonio for Nazr and snag somebody else with the MLE. DD would be a solid fit in San Antonio, is cheap and would be expiring after this season.

Yeah, I'm grasping at straws...
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Where was that thinking when they signed McDyess?

Maybe we can S+T with the spurs easier, and this is really for Davis and a 2nd or something. Allowing us to keep the MLE.

But I'm just hoping.

this sux

Dumars went for the sure thing. Przybilla has a handful of options to consider, and I guess Dumars didn't want to wait, have Nazr Mohammed signed and then watch Przybilla sign elsewhere and have us left with nothing.

According to WDFN, the Pistons were scared off of Przybilla's chrinic knee issues.

It's pretty damn telling that San Antonio has no centers under contract at the moment and didn't think enough of the guy to try and keep him.

Maybe we could S&T Dale Davis and the TE to San Antonio for Nazr and snag somebody else with the MLE. DD would be a solid fit in San Antonio, is cheap and would be expiring after this season.

Yeah, I'm grasping at straws...
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Where was that thinking when they signed McDyess?
Chronic knees and coming off a tear are two different things. Not even Arnie kander is gauranteed to keep chronic knee problems from popping up through a whole season.

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The only thing I can hope on is that Joel just turned us down. If they did this without hearing back from JP, that'd be even worse. I could have lived with JP, but Nazr is terrible. Of course all this is moot now. Ben Wallace is probably cracking up right now.

We're talking about variables of suck anyway.

Joey Harrington or Jeff Garcia, does it really matter?

neither Joey or Jeff were top 5 in anything...which compares with Nazr, but Joel is a top 5 shot blocker. So variables of suck, especially for a defensive oriented team, doesn't apply.

Dumars went for the sure thing. Przybilla has a handful of options to consider, and I guess Dumars didn't want to wait, have Nazr Mohammed signed and then watch Przybilla sign elsewhere and have us left with nothing.

According to WDFN, the Pistons were scared off of Przybilla's chrinic knee issues.

It's pretty damn telling that San Antonio has no centers under contract at the moment and didn't think enough of the guy to try and keep him.

Maybe we could S&T Dale Davis and the TE to San Antonio for Nazr and snag somebody else with the MLE. DD would be a solid fit in San Antonio, is cheap and would be expiring after this season.

Yeah, I'm grasping at straws... [smilie=rofl.gif]

Where was that thinking when they signed McDyess?
It's a valid concern, I give them that. This guy has been having knee problems for years, and we'd be expecting more out of him then any of the other places. Still, the fact that we didn't get the Vanilla Gorilla is sort of depressing. [smilie=sad3.gif]

Go with Maxiell. I mean we got screwed in the ass with a jagged edge razor blade in return for dedicating ourselves to our core. Fuck that dedication. get maxiell in, i believe he has some ability. Start McDyess, get mad max as first guy off the bench or vice versa. If he can't handle it, we'll find out early and can make a decision. I want to win titles. but nazr doesnt sound like a title winning option and getting owned by the bulls is a sickening feeling. One i dont want to relive through ben killing nazr.[smilie=sayitaintso:

The only thing I can hope on is that Joel just turned us down. If they did this without hearing back from JP, that'd be even worse. I could have lived with JP, but Nazr is terrible. Of course all this is moot now. Ben Wallace is probably cracking up right now.

Just about every team would probably be cracking up about us, including the Spurs. [smilie=sad3.gif]

The Spurs wanted to take Pryz over Nazr for a reason...

Wouldn't it have made more sense for us to sign Cato since we have his Bird Rights?

I just might shoot myself in the fucking head. Fuck.

Wouldn't it have made more sense for us to sign Cato since we have his Bird Rights?
Yes, but logic and the Pistons match like oil and fucking water. Maybe there is a S/T on the horizon.

Pryzbilla reportedly informed Pistons he will re-sign in Portland before Pistons moved on to Mohammed.

Pryzbilla reportedly informed Pistons he will re-sign in Portland before Pistons moved on to Mohammed.

If that's the case, we dont need fucking Nazr. I'd rather move Sheed to the 5 and then start DIce and pray everyfuckingday so Max can be the beast we are looking for.

After get Bonzi and rip every fucking team alive, except the Mavs and Rockets

Pryzbilla reportedly informed Pistons he will re-sign in Portland before Pistons moved on to Mohammed.

If that's the case, we dont need fucking Nazr. I'd rather move Sheed to the 5 and then start DIce and pray everyfuckingday so Max can be the beast we are looking for.
seconded. None of our options are that good. but the get maxiell more time option makes sense in figuring out whether he makes it on this team. We haven't held on to one developing player outside of tayshaun. Maxiell, amir, and delfino most of all are all in danger of falling into that pit. Lets end this shit now. No more giving Ben Wallace or any of our core the power to screw us royally. I expect a legitimate set up in place, just in case Billups leaves. No mashing younger players to kiss his ass for nothing.

This is terrible.

1. Ben is gone.
2. I have to watch Lindsey Hunter stink up the joint for two more years.
3. Nazr is now our starting Center.

Oh well, at least I can get a discount Big Ben jersey.

From Spykes in NBA NEWS..

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It appears that Przybilla will sign a five-year, $30 million deal. The Spurs offered Przybilla four years and $24 million. The Pistons offered five years and $28 million. But the Pistons signed Nazr Mohammed earlier in the day to a four-year, $24 million deal.

Isn't that a bit more than the MLE if its 5 mil a year?

Yeah 6 mil a year. Overpaid piece of shit.

MLE starts about 5,3 or 5,4...Tim Thomas also got 24 mil/4 years from the Clippers

Terms of the contract are unavailable, but speculated to be at around $30 million over 5 years.

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hey, what do you expect? thats what happens when owner ship stiff's a teams icon. suddenly you go from the mecca of free agents to the, well, detroit of FA.

pryz wasnt coming here. be happy that we even got nazr.

bill davidson doesnt owe you shit.

"Mohammed, who turns 29 on Sept. 5, probably will not be able to rebound, block shots and provide energy as Ben Wallace did -- but he will cost about $9 million less next season."

the last paragraph from espn. appropriate.

"Mohammed, who turns 29 on Sept. 5, probably will not be able to rebound, block shots and provide energy as Ben Wallace did -- but he will cost about $9 million less next season."

the last paragraph from espn. appropriate.

LOL, that pretty much sums everything perfectly although I like Mohammed a lot more than you all seem too.

The only thing I can hope on is that Joel just turned us down. If they did this without hearing back from JP, that'd be even worse. I could have lived with JP, but Nazr is terrible. Of course all this is moot now. Ben Wallace is probably cracking up right now.

Just about every team would probably be cracking up about us, including the Spurs. [smilie=sad3.gif]

The Spurs wanted to take Pryz over Nazr for a reason...

So did we, but Pryz rejected us.

Thankfully, Przy rejected San Antonio too. That would have sucked.

I actually like Nazr. Good signing IMO.

I feel so bad for the Spurs right now.

They have no center.

I feel so bad for the Spurs right now.

They have no center.

We're actually better off at the center position than the Spurs.

That's hilarious.

This was a quote by a poster in scout.


I wonder if the Pistons would consider brokering a S&T with the Spurs for Nazr? Maybe send Dale Davis + Carlos Delfino for Nazr + draft considerations (or the rights to Scola)? That would keep their MLE free to still try and land Bonzi (a far more productive backup at SF/SG than Delfino has been).


That sounds cool as we lose DD for the MLE basically. Sure we might lose Delfino but we can get the swingman wells.

However, I dont think Joe would deal Delfino.

...or we can sign-and-trade delfino+Dale for Bonzi and accomplish basically the same thing.

Bonzi won't be coming for the MLE, so its actually more realistic.

But the Spurs have no center at all unless you want an unexperienced Euro starting.

Both seem reasonable but is Bonzi worth Delfino?

But the Spurs have no center at all unless you want an unexperienced Euro starting.

Both seem reasonable but is Bonzi worth Delfino?
he's not a sure thing to put us over the top. And i'm done with losing guys because we are trying cut costs for our core.


Side note, ben is playing the "i did all i could to stay" excuse. Not something i want to hear from him or dumars. because it would be a lie on both their parts.

Both seem reasonable but is Bonzi worth Delfino?

Right now? Yes.

3-4 years down the road, probably not.

We HOPE Delfino can become the backup scoring swingman we need. We KNOW Bonzi would be that for us.

I'd rather keep Delfino if we can get another scorer, even an average one, but odds on that are slim.

Then dont do the trade I think. The odds of us winning the title are slim so why mess up our future?

But the Spurs have no center at all unless you want an unexperienced Euro starting.

Both seem reasonable but is Bonzi worth Delfino?

Side note, ben is playing the "i did all i could to stay" excuse. Not something i want to hear from him or dumars. because it would be a lie on both their parts.

i get what your saying, BUT, its not like ben 'allan houston'ed us, or 'grant hill'ed us. he left because one team offered to pay him more than we were willing. if ben didnt give joe an opportunity to match, or worse, signed in CHI for less, i'd be right there saying fuck ben. but he didnt. he's just seeking as much compensation as he can, while he can. cant hate on a man for that... or atleast i cant.

This was a quote by a poster in scout.


I wonder if the Pistons would consider brokering a S&T with the Spurs for Nazr? Maybe send Dale Davis + Carlos Delfino for Nazr + draft considerations (or the rights to Scola)? That would keep their MLE free to still try and land Bonzi (a far more productive backup at SF/SG than Delfino has been).


That sounds cool as we lose DD for the MLE basically. Sure we might lose Delfino but we can get the swingman wells.

However, I dont think Joe would deal Delfino.

Davis and TE for Nazr + a 2nd.

Or Cato straight up.

Leaves the other of Cato and Davis, Fino, for Wells/Harrington.

Might want to offer something to get a TE off of Chicago, then use that for Harrington or Wells.

But the Spurs have no center at all unless you want an unexperienced Euro starting.

Both seem reasonable but is Bonzi worth Delfino?

Side note, ben is playing the "i did all i could to stay" excuse. Not something i want to hear from him or dumars. because it would be a lie on both their parts.

i get what your saying, BUT, its not like ben 'allan houston'ed us, or 'grant hill'ed us. he left because one team offered to pay him more than we were willing. if ben didnt give joe an opportunity to match, or worse, signed in CHI for less, i'd be right there saying fuck ben. but he didnt. he's just seeking as much compensation as he can, while he can. cant hate on a man for that... or atleast i cant.
you're missing my point somewhat. My point is fuck them both for not working it out. theres something petty that went on from both sides i think. and i feel they cheated the fans not working it out between each other. I dare not put it all on ben or Joe. Or davidson either individually. . its a group falloff.

I will say that it was a given that chicago was gonna throw as much money at him as possible. Ben should've said something to Joe D before he traded darko for him.

no, like i said, i get what your saying. if ben REALLY wanted to be a piston, he could have signed for not all that much less.

i just cant blame a man for opting to go with the extra 10 million dollars, especially after he had just played at a discount (in hindsight, it was a giant discount) for the last 6 years.

you obviously know who i blame here. no point in going any further.

no, like i said, i get what your saying. if ben REALLY wanted to be a piston, he could have signed for not all that much less.

i just cant blame a man for opting to go with the extra 10 million dollars, especially after he had just played at a discount (in hindsight, it was a giant discount) for the last 6 years.

you obviously know who i blame here. no point in going any further.
i dont blame him for accepting the money either. But it was known since the beginning of last year that they were gonna make this play and make it hard for Ben. With his knowledge of that. A simple "Joe, if chicago offers more money, i'm gone. Non negotiable" woulda went a long way at the beginning on the season.


you obviously know who i blame here. no point in going any further.
davidson can't be the sole person to blame. I highly doubt you've given him 100 percent credit for everything that went right.

But the Spurs have no center at all unless you want an unexperienced Euro starting.

Both seem reasonable but is Bonzi worth Delfino?

Side note, ben is playing the "i did all i could to stay" excuse. Not something i want to hear from him or dumars. because it would be a lie on both their parts.

i get what your saying, BUT, its not like ben 'allan houston'ed us, or 'grant hill'ed us. he left because one team offered to pay him more than we were willing. if ben didnt give joe an opportunity to match, or worse, signed in CHI for less, i'd be right there saying fuck ben. but he didnt. he's just seeking as much compensation as he can, while he can. cant hate on a man for that... or atleast i cant.


Didn't he sell his house in Detroit and buy one in Chicago before it went down?

well, your getting awfully speculative there. awfully speculative.

ben didnt know what he was getting offered. if chicago talked to ben before hand (not saying they didnt) then they have committed tampering, and should have to forfeitt draft picks... and isiah thomas rejoices.

but i doubt that. and how do we know ben didnt tell joe he's taking the best offer? do you know why ben wasnt extended a long time ago? i dont (not making a point--i dont know). i doubt ben had anything to do with the darko trade, that was joe's fuck up.

But the Spurs have no center at all unless you want an unexperienced Euro starting.

Both seem reasonable but is Bonzi worth Delfino?

Side note, ben is playing the "i did all i could to stay" excuse. Not something i want to hear from him or dumars. because it would be a lie on both their parts.

i get what your saying, BUT, its not like ben 'allan houston'ed us, or 'grant hill'ed us. he left because one team offered to pay him more than we were willing. if ben didnt give joe an opportunity to match, or worse, signed in CHI for less, i'd be right there saying fuck ben. but he didnt. he's just seeking as much compensation as he can, while he can. cant hate on a man for that... or atleast i cant.


Didn't he sell his house in Detroit and buy one in Chicago before it went down?

according to wtfdetroit's own insider, anthony G... but im not sure you have your timetable exactly streight.

either way, you cant bet your ass the pistons would be up in arms that ben didnt give them a chance to match. thats what they did when houston screwed us. the pistons arent one to take one on the chin and keep a stiff upper lip. they go to the press early and often.

Nazr is half the player than Ben is at half the price.

Nazr has hands of stone. He'll drop 4 passes a game.

Thankfully, Przy rejected San Antonio too. That would have sucked.

Why would it suck? It's not like San Antonio is our competition any longer.

They might as well be now. They have no center unless you trust that Euro, ah forgot his name.

Sure we lost our best big but I still think we can compete with SA.

I actually like Nazr. Good signing IMO.

I feel the same way AG. I'm very happy with that.
He's going to put up 12, 10 and 2. Watch.

I actually like Nazr. Good signing IMO.
I feel the same way AG. I'm very happy with that.
He's going to put up 12, 10 and 2, while shooting 65%+ FTs. Watch.

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He shot 79% last year.
I think he'll shoot at least 70% with us.

He shot 79% last year.
I think he'll shoot at least 70% with us.
that's what i was thinking too......i just didn't want to jinx it :cool:

if Nazr can knock down the occasional jump shot, maybe even string together a hot shooting night occasionally, and consistently knock down FTs......i don't things are TOO bad. looking at Nazr's numbers, whenever he averaged more than 25+ minutes a game over a season, he was almost a double double guy shooting great percentages. i think we might have an adequate center in him. i do think that our future success is directly proportional to our bench success from here on out.

He shot 79% last year.
I think he'll shoot at least 70% with us.

that's what i was thinking too......i just didn't want to jinx it :cool:
We don't have Ben anymore. Jinx's and shit are thrown out the window at this point.
It's going to be a whole different team. We're going to average 110 points a game.
To accomplish that feat, Amir needs to score 15 points a game without missing any shots.

I actually like Nazr. Good signing IMO.

I feel the same way AG. I'm very happy with that.
He's going to put up 12, 10 and 2. Watch.

If we can get those 2. I'll be pretty satisfied. I would have loved Pryzbilla's 4 though :)

FWIW, Nazr Mohammed is a better offensive rebounder per minute than Ben was. that'll be an asset, as our offensive rebounding was pretty poor.

FWIW, Nazr Mohammed is a better offensive rebounder per minute than Ben was. that'll be an asset, as our offensive rebounding was pretty poor.
unfortunately it was because of our guards and sheed were not helping ben on the boards after shooting their perimeter shots. [smilie=sad3.gif]
I remember that problem kicking our ass in that first dallas game and in both utah games. If you're going to be a jump shot team, your guards have to rebound. i hope that they improve that this year.

very true. but even at his best, Ben was getting like 4 off rebounds a game in like 40 minutes a game. given the minutes, Nazr 3 to 3.5 in under 30 minutes.

obvisously, i'm looking for a silver lining in all of this....

Great, we added an adequate center. I better camp out on the parade route right now to ensure a good seat.

like centers are bountiful in the NBA. imo, any hope in us winning a title is on our bench development, moreso than the center position. yes, we lose a lot with Ben vs Nazr, but we might be able to counteract that with our bench playing up to their potential.


I understand Ben Wallace chose to leave, and Przybilla chose to stay in Portland and the Nazr was the best remaining option, but let's not kid outselves here - it was a desperation signing to try and sell the story like losing Ben Wallace wasn't a big deal. And it's working, listening to sportstalk today, everybody is shitting on Ben and championing Nazr as possibly an upgrade. Little did I know Nazr was a offensive dynamo, silly me. Tim Duncan is a low post player, meaning teams had to wrest him for position, and probably double teamed him in the low post, allowing Nazr to pick up the easy offensive board. Also with Parker and Gino attacking the basket, the rebound would bounce in the range of the bigs in the low post. With Nazr being the only player in the low post when Rasheed, Tay and the guards all camped out behind the 3-point arc launching 3-point shots(which usually rebound outside the reach of the low post player), let's see how many rebounds he gets.

no one in their right mind thinking that Nazr is better than Ben. those callers on the radio are the same ones saying that we should trade for Elton Brand.

what i do see is that Nazr has been a pretty good offensive rebounder over the course of his career with four different teams.

Foul prone. Ugh.

I never understood what the Spurs big problem with Nazr was, apart from stone hands. They certainly played us better with Nazr than with Rasho.

Why shit on Nazr?

He's not going to come here and play 36 minutes.

He's not expected to be Defensive Player of the Year

At the very worst he'll clog the lane some, rebound some and actually have a reasonable chance of being guarded on offense.

People are claiming we're no longer contenders - Hello, Captain Obvious.

Any chance we had of contending took the money and signed with the Bulls.

There was no realistic free agent option that was going to make us contenders after Ben left.

And there was no way we should have matched that offer.

Hell, even if Ben gave Joe the massive "loyalty" discount there was no way to get Bonzi Wells or Al Harrington. Some people were fooling themselves thinking one of those guys would come here for the MLE.

Right now we need to develop our youth and use the BAE on a veteran player.

We still have trade options, with Davis' expiring deal, the Mo Evans trade exception and our 2 first rounders in 2007.

The off-season ain't over yet. Fuck, free agency only began 6 days ago.

I don't see this move as Joe's final move. He wanted to jump out there and get someone to partially fill the void, imo.

In the 6 games that Nazr played 30 or more minutes (keep in mind it's only 6 games) he put up 16.3 ppg and 11.7 rpg. I'm not sold on the guy at all but at least those numbers are promising.

i think nazr's regular season numbers are going to be decent. I do think he'll be useless in the playoffs though. against shaq and ben we'll have issues. but we arent garbage. we're just not good enough to beat atleast 2 teams out of the east.

It really depends on how "playoff basketball" is called. He's foul prone, and foul prone players have tended to do better in the playoffs because fouls were less likely to be called for minor crap. But that's changed (especially last season).

You can only hope rasheed is offended by Ben's jumping ship and decides to come after him with everything he has and then some. before rasheed and McDtess got here, they were both two players that could score on ben. though dyess isnt what he was physically, i'm still hoping they feel that chip on their shoulder to stick it to ben. i know billups will. but billups really doesnt get people amped up like ben did, but sheed and dyess can for sure.

And you don't think the Baby Bulls will have Ben's back?? I think it could be a helluva rivalry if everybody stays healthy.
they might. but i'm talking basketball, i doubt there will be any fights. Either way i concede the bulls on paper are definately ahead of us. how it pans out during the season and post season will give a more definate answer as to on the court. but taryn thomas, tyson chandler, and ben wallace will be tough to get shots over.

Chandler is as good as gone, IMO. He'll never put on another Bulls jersey again.

Bulls will have a plethora of perimeter players though - Hinrich, Duhon, Gordon, Deng, Sefolosha, JR Smith, Ty Thomas(3/4), Nocioni(3/4), and Viktor Khryapa. Add them to Ben, PJ Brown, Mike Sweetney, Malik Allen and Othella Harrington and it's quite obvious that tbe Bulls will be a perimeter scoring team, but tough inside defensively.
sounds familiar...odd that we say defense is dead and they are trying to remake our title team. :rolleyes:

Maybe the'll have better luck since they are the second or third biggest media market...
you mean longer luck? we did win one title. but yea i'm sure stern just shit his panties with joy.

Chandler is as good as gone, IMO. He'll never put on another Bulls jersey again.


Rumor has it that Arn Tellem has told JR Smith that he'll be traded by the end of the week. So more than likely, that's the Bulls deal with Tyson.

CBA guys, can they trade pj brown or jr smith again? what about their draft choices.

lots of speculation of brown (expiring) plus a bunch of young guys for garnett. chicago was always the team that made the most sense for garnett, and this would make the pj brown trade make alot more sense. anyone know if chicago has to wake to make a trade like this?

i think they can trade Smith and PJ again within 48 hours, than you have to wait 90 days...Brown just makes 8 a year, KG makes 20, so they ve got to add at least 3 guys, like Gordon, Deng and a fast signed Tyrus Thomas to make it work...

I think you would have to wait until December or January for another trade.

I think it's within 48 hours of July 12th (when trades "officially" happen), so they have plenty of time to iron out a KG trade if Minny wants to move KG.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AubhgIlyn65hWrViIm9T.ga8vLYF?slug=ap-pistons-mohammed&prov=ap&type=lgns


Pistons officially add Mohammed

By LARRY LAGE, AP Sports Writer
July 12, 2006

DETROIT (AP) -- Nazr Mohammed probably won't be able to duplicate Ben Wallace's ability to defend, rebound and play with energy for the Detroit Pistons.

Mohammed, who essentially replaces Wallace in Detroit, can add more at the offensive end -- and the center will cost about $9 million less next season.

The Pistons and Mohammed agreed to a five-year contract -- with the final year being an option -- for the mid-level exception last week. The team could not confirm the deal until Wednesday, when the NBA's moratorium on free agency ended, but a news conference with Mohammed is not expected until early next week.

The Pistons will pay Mohammed about $5.2 million next season, while the Chicago Bulls will give Wallace about $14 million in the first year of a four-year deal worth about $60 million -- surpassing Detroit's offer by more than $10 million.

The Pistons are also expected to bring back reserve guard Lindsey Hunter with a two-year contract.

Detroit would also like to add a scorer off the bench -- perhaps Flip Murray, Chucky Atkins or Tony Delk -- with its biannual exception by offering one of those free agents a one- or two-year deal for about $1.7 million per season.

A day after Wallace told the Pistons he was going to play for Central Division rival Chicago, Detroit quickly made a move to acquire the 6-foot-10, 250-pound Mohammed.

Detroit lost a four-time Defensive Player of the Year and its most popular player, but with the league altering rules to promote scoring, not matching Chicago's offer might prove to be the right move in a couple of years when Wallace is in his mid-30s and making more than $15 million a season.

However, losing Wallace may drop the Pistons from the list of favorites to contend for a title next season.

Mohammed started in 30 of 80 games last season for the San Antonio Spurs, averaging 6.2 points, 5.2 rebounds and 17.4 minutes. He matched a career high with a 30-point performance, making 13 of 21 shots against the Phoenix Suns on March 17, and he grabbed a career-high 20 rebounds earlier in the season.

With low-post moves and the ability to make short jumpers, he could replace Wallace in the starting lineup, allowing Rasheed Wallace to remain as a power forward. Antonio McDyess, Dale Davis and Jason Maxiell are also frontcourt players for the Pistons.

Mohammed, who turns 29 before next season, has bounced around the league during his career, which started when he was traded by the Utah Jazz after they drafted him with the 29th overall pick in 1998 out of Kentucky.

He spent his first two-plus seasons with the Philadelphia 76ers, who traded him in 2001 to Atlanta. The Hawks dealt him three years later to the New York Knicks, who traded him to San Antonio at the 2005 trading deadline.

Mohammed's career averages are 7.1 points, 5.7 rebounds and 0.6 blocks. He has averaged 6.3 points and 5.5 rebounds in 38 playoff games, 30 of which he started.

I was hoping they were faking. Boo.

With the cap figures out today (and more importantly the luxury tax threshold announced) I have to wonder if we offered Ben $12mil because we thought the tax threshold was going to be $63mil.

It's over $65mil!

That's a serious error in calculations by guys in accounting and if that cost us Ben (Bulls apparently offered a starting salary of $13mil) then that's fucked.

To late to worry about it now, but I'm just saying, the new figures make me wonder.

Oh, and GD: It looks like 5 years is the full MLE.

Remember we wondered about that some time ago?

Just to clarify, Nazr's 5th year is a team option, not a player option.

good to know...i'd hoped it was a team option