THE SKY IS FALLING !


This comes from the Blazer's Beat Writer, Jason Quick:

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At 9 p.m. Portland time, Joel Przybilla will have a tele-conference with his agent, Bill Duffy, regarding an offer from the Detroit Pistons.

This comes after former Detroit center Ben Wallace agreed in principle to a free agent contract with the Chicago Bulls. The Pistons immediately made contact with Duffy regarding Przybilla, and apparently Przybilla will strongly consider the offer from the Pistons.

Reached at about 8 p.m. Portland time, Duffy said he expects Przybilla to make his decision by Tuesday morning after spending a night mulling over Detroit's offer.

Bottom line: It doesn't look good for Portland.

Both Portland and Detroit can offer the mid-level exception (about $5.3 million a year), and actually Portland can offer a little more with yearly raises, but the lure of being an instant winner with the Pistons appears to be very powerful with Przybilla.

Kevin Pritchard, the Blazers director of player personnel, just spent two days in Milwaukee with Przybilla. Pritchard on Monday night said the talks with Przybilla were at times emotional, and he understands the dilemma facing Przybilla. Other than that, Pritchard declined comment.

This is all very speculative right now - I will have more hopefully after Duffy and Przybilla talk tonight - but again, this doesn't look good for the Blazers. If I were a betting man, I would put my money on Detroit landing Przybilla.

I will update as soon as possible.

Well thanks for posting it. Uhhhh, that's all I gotta say about it I guess. Damage control.

right. terry foster on the radio made a goo point. how many people even knew joel pryzbilla played for minnesota? this could be the best of alot of bad alternatives, though.

sadly I agree
he's a defensive player with little offense

I just hope it isn't for the full MLE.

He's the best FA center left on the market, though. He's one of the better defensive cetners in the NBA, and he'll gobble up a lot of rebounds.

If we get him and miss out on Bonzi though, what's the point? We still need an inside scorer.

I bet it is.

If this is the case, I would definitely be interested in a S&T with Cato. I still think that Joe D has to have another move to convince anyone that we somehow will be better next season.

Un fucking real. As of now, I dont know whats better. Being lower to middle of the pack, or a lottery pick.

Mason is going to have a hard time with "Przybilla"

Joel "the vanilla gorilla" pryzbilla? You kidding me?

too bad he's not from manilla.

this is a guy who can rebound some and block some shots, he is slow & white, didn't play much until now, didnt play more than 25 min a game, can't stay healthy, got worse in a contract year, i bet he can't guard any quick center or play good teamdefense...he's basiclly Darko with some better rebounding but much less talent and no jumpshot and bad FT shooting...awesome

Maybe Mason will just announce him as "Damage Control"

this is a guy who can rebound some and block some shots, he is slow & white, didn't play much until now, didnt play more than 25 min a game, can't stay healthy, got worse in a contract year, i bet he can't guard any quick center or play good teamdefense...he's basiclly Darko with some better rebounding but much less talent and no jumpshot and bad FT shooting...awesome

So basically all the things people were saying about Ben Wallace when we signed him...check.

I'd rather hold out for a center until 2007, but we could do a lot worse than Pryzbilla. His best year are ahead of him.

I think if you put him around a cohesive team as opposed to the chaotic blazers, you'd see him improve a great deal.

this is a guy who can rebound some and block some shots, he is slow & white, didn't play much until now, didnt play more than 25 min a game, can't stay healthy, got worse in a contract year, i bet he can't guard any quick center or play good teamdefense...he's basiclly Darko with some better rebounding but much less talent and no jumpshot and bad FT shooting...awesome

No shit, we let Darko and now Ben go and we go after Pryzbilla. I guess that throws out the whole up tempo game we may try to play. I mean we resign Hunter, let Ben walk then we go after this fag? What the hell is going on?

this is a guy who can rebound some and block some shots, he is slow & white, didn't play much until now, didnt play more than 25 min a game, can't stay healthy, got worse in a contract year, i bet he can't guard any quick center or play good teamdefense...he's basiclly Darko with some better rebounding but much less talent and no jumpshot and bad FT shooting...awesome

No shit, we let Darko and now Ben go and we go after Pryzbilla. I guess that throws out the whole up tempo game we may try to play. I mean we resign Hunter, let Ben walk then we go after this fag? What the hell is going on?

Yeah, because it's not as if you need a shot-blocker to get out and run....lol

No, he isn't ben wallace. But at the same time, he fills a need, which is shot-blocking, which every running club has to have to be consistent.

Man oh Man, I sure do miss Darko......

I am sorry KSTAT all master of what is Pistons basketball but you cant compare Ben and Pryz. When we got Ben everyone knew this guy had a major upside Pryz is a slow paint eater that is a step below Dampier. We mind as well keep Kato and davis for this year if that is all we want.

I am sorry KSTAT all master of what is Pistons basketball but you cant compare Ben and Pryz. When we got Ben everyone knew this guy had a major upside Pryz is a slow paint eater that is a step below Dampier. We mind as well keep Kato and davis for this year if that is all we want.

LMAO @ revisionist history.

Yeah, ok. Orlando chose to keep BO OUTLAW instead of Ben Wallace, that's how well-known he was.

He's 26, just like Ben was when we signed him in 2000.

He's never played 25 MPG, just like Ben never did before we signed him.

Take a look at Joel's last year in Portland, and Ben's last year in Orlando, and then tell me how much better ben was at this point in his career.

He was young and raw with an upside Pryz has never had. Along with an NBA frame to match his raw skills, and you got fucking UPSIDE there. Pryz relies on his size that is all. Dumars like a lot of people at the time saw a quick, strong, and rising player that needed playing time and polish. is that Pryz at all? When you watch Pryz play his 24 minutes do you see that upside? And so you are saying the Pistons were after outlaw instead of Wallace at the time? Pure fucking bullshit. Pryz is a poor mans Luc Longley and I dont want him playing for the Pistons and no we wont be better with him.

Orlando gave up on Ben for Bo Outlaw. Anybody who says they saw star potential in Ben is flat-out lying or fooling themselves.

Pryzbilla is no less raw then ben was 6 years ago. Yes, he's 7'1," which apparently should be held against him. He's not fast, but he is agile, and he has excellent anticipation, which leads to a lot of offensive rebounds and blocks.

He also averaged more blocks per game than ben wallace in 2006, in 11 fewer minutes per game.

And other than the fact they're both white, he isnt anything like longly, who was a shooter, while Pryzbilla is a much better defender.

He was young and raw with an upside Pryz has never had. Along with an NBA frame to match his raw skills, and you got fucking UPSIDE there. Pryz relies on his size that is all. Dumars like a lot of people at the time saw a quick, strong, and rising player that needed playing time and polish. is that Pryz at all? When you watch Pryz play his 24 minutes do you see that upside? And so you are saying the Pistons were after outlaw instead of Wallace at the time? Pure fucking bullshit. Pryz is a poor mans Luc Longley and I dont want him playing for the Pistons and no we wont be better with him.

A 6'7" center? Sorry he wasn't a fucking upside guy. He was Michael Sweetney without the offense with athletism. He was considered well below, say, a Steven Hunter. Ben was a throw in to be our 5th big. He turned out well.

Pryz is at a minimum a great 3rd big, and is an average NBA center.

Damn, I love that sig. My best work ever!!!


And anyone who thinks Przybilla can do what ben did is fucking kidding them self.

Orlando gave up on Ben for Bo Outlaw. Anybody who says they saw star potential in Ben is flat-out lying or fooling themselves.

Pryzbilla is no less raw then ben was 6 years ago. Yes, he's 7'1," which apparently should be held against him. He's not fast, but he is agile, and he has excellent anticipation, which leads to a lot of offensive rebounds and blocks.

He also averaged more blocks per game than ben wallace in 2006, in 11 fewer minutes per game.

God damn, this trade has retarded poor Kstat.
Sorry Kstat, I need to New Jack City you're ass.
I am my brothers keeper.

And anyone who thinks Przybilla can do what ben did is fucking kidding them self.

Anyone who said Ben was going to be a 4-time DPOY in 2000 was probably fooling themselves, too.

I'm not saying he's the saem as ben wallace, but at the same point in their careers, they're roughly equal, except pryzbilla is a better shot-blocker at 26, and ben was a better rebounder.

Not star potential dude but a lot more than Pryz. What is more of a commodity a raw quick athletic big man that can jump out of the building or a slow plodding big that just takes up space. Ben was the first and Pryz is the second. So Dumars just got lucky when he got Wallace? No thought process there right?

Ben Stats
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
96-97 WAS 34 0 5.8 .348 .000 .300 .7 1.0 1.7 .1 .24 .32 .53 .80 1.1
97-98 WAS 67 16 16.8 .518 .000 .357 1.7 3.2 4.8 .3 .91 1.07 .42 1.70 3.1
98-99 WAS 46 16 26.8 .578 .000 .356 3.0 5.4 8.3 .4 1.09 1.96 .78 2.40 6.0
99-00 ORL 81 81 24.2 .503 .000 .474 2.6 5.6 8.2 .8 .89 1.60 .83 2.00 4.

Outlaw stats
99-00 ORL 82 55 28.4 .602 .000 .506 2.5 3.9 6.4 3.0 1.38 1.80 1.62 2.50 6.0

Read the stats KSTAT and I can see how you felt that Outlaw was chosen over Ben in Orlando. From the time he got his chance in the league, he got better and better. Ben played actually less minutes and still played better. He even started more games than Outlaw so I dont know what the fuck you are talking about at all. And to top it off, Outlaw had been playing what three years already in the leaugue? Your point is bullshit. Dont rationalize the Pryz pick, if it happens it cant be done. When Ben was picked everyone but I guess you saw the upside there, we werent the only team trying to get him, just lucky Hill wanted out and the Magic had the commodity dumars was wanting.

So we go from Ben to Pryz. Wow.

THey could have paid either Outlaw or Ben. They chose to pay Outlaw. It's that simple.

And what, there's no thought process with him going after pryzbilla then?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2389463

if nothing else, I like his attitude:


The tough part for me is to see guys who don't want to come to practice, who don't want to play in games, that's my biggest thing," Przybilla told The Oregonian newspaper. "Personally, I have no problem playing because I want to play, no matter what. But to see other guys -- I don't know if it's giving up or what -- but we have to finish the season strong. It's our job, we have to be professional, and I don't know if everyone is doing that."

"I'm not the type to complain or point fingers, but it's getting old," he said. "I can take losing if guys are going out and playing hard and giving it their all in practice, but guys aren't doing that."

Funny, ben seemed to have that good boy attitude too.

So we go from Ben to Pryz. Wow.

People were jumping off a cliff when we went from Grant to Ben in 2000. We'll get over it.

Funny, ben seemed to have that good boy attitude too.

I missed that Ben Wallace. The guy that always played hard and willed his way to plays no other human being could get, and didnt care about his touches as long as we won. That guy was my hero.

Next thing you know, Pryzbilla will be complaining about not getting the ball enough, and refusing to play 4th quarters.

I agree with Kstat here, I don't think Pryzbilla is that bad. Last year I suggested signing Diop and trading for Diaw, not that I am a genius or anything but everyone screamed about how dumb of an idea those were but new situations sometimes make players better.

I am not saying Joe P is the answer but I don't think that we can bitch that much. All the people saying he is injury prone raise, please don't ever sing the praises of Arnie Kander again since you really don't believe he is that good, because Dice was voted NBA's IR man of the year three years in a row and has missed 5-10 games as a Piston?

I'd still rather have Bonzi, but at least He gives us a pretty good frontline, as opposed to the very good frontline we had last year.

You need someone to guard the basket if you want to run. If we sign him, problem solved.

No, he's not Ben Wallace. But keep in mind that Benwas never given a chance to be a full-time center before he came here either.

He also isn't plodding. There are dozens of guys Pryzbilla's size that don't defend the paint like he does. He doesn't have Ben Wallace's range, but he does have the agility to defend the weakside of the basket.

Pryzbilla is a a flat footed injury prone joke. We're chasing a bootleg version of Big Z with no offense. [smilie=grumble.gif]

Gutz like Kstat said I would rather have Bonzi but I am not sure how that would work with only DD to play the 5 ?

Pryzbilla is a a flat footed injury prone joke. We're chasing a bootleg version of Big Z with no offense. [smilie=grumble.gif]

So how many guys are we going to compare to Joel for no other reason than they're 7 feet tall and white? Just wondering, because I don't have all night.

Z is soft, and he doesnt play D.

Przybilla is neither.

If you want to make a comparison, make it to Diop.

As for injury-prone, please. That's very lame considering half our roster was injury-prone before they joined us.

Gutz like Kstat said I would rather have Bonzi but I am not sure how that would work with only DD to play the 5 ?
Oh i'm totally going AWOl. The 5 should go to Sheed and Maxiel/Dyess mob out on the 4. I believe in that way more than a flat footed stand still shot blocker that even Ben himself can dribble around.[smilie=grumble.gif]

I feel like killing some random person to clear my head.[smilie=grumble.gif] [smilie=grumble.gif] [smilie=grumble.gif]

Sheed/DD
Dice/Max
Tay/Bonzi
Rip/Delfino
Billups/Blalock

Thats a huge gamble. Would Dice be able to start? Is Max ready? Can Sheed even play the 5 well? Is Blalock the backup we need?

I'd take signing Pryz over Bonzi unless we can get another big man in a trade or something.

Pryzbilla is a a flat footed injury prone joke. We're chasing a bootleg version of Big Z with no offense. [smilie=grumble.gif]

So how many guys are we going to compare to Joel for no other reason than they're 7 feet tall and white? Just wondering, because I don't have all night.

Z is soft, and he doesnt play D.

Przybilla is neither.

If you want to make a comparison, make it to Diop.

As for injury-prone, please. That's very lame considering half our roster was injury-prone before they joined us.


So how many guys are we going to compare to Joel for no other reason than they're 7 feet tall and white? Just wondering, because I don't have all night.

Z is soft, and he doesnt play D.

you're gonna play damage control all night? are you chris mckloskey in disguise?. Big Z actually does play defense. he'll do stand still shot blocking. Which is what Pryz does, he does it better than Z mind you, but not good enough to warrant any threat like mourning. And i wouldnt want mourning as a starter. No he's not soft, just unable move worth a shit. So what should i call him Zo? doesnt change anything. He still is a bench player. 3rd string on some teams.




As for injury-prone, please. That's very lame considering half our roster was injury-prone before they joined us.
But they were all thletic too. Another reason i wont even put him in diop comparisom. Diop is more athletic even if he is not much faster.

Gutz like Kstat said I would rather have Bonzi but I am not sure how that would work with only DD to play the 5 ?
Oh i'm totally going AWOl. The 5 should go to Sheed and Maxiel/Dyess mob out on the 4. I believe in that way more than a flat footed stand still shot blocker that even Ben himself can dribble around.[smilie=grumble.gif]

I feel like killing some random person to clear my head.[smilie=grumble.gif] [smilie=grumble.gif] [smilie=grumble.gif]


Gutz, I see where you are coming from and know from the past trying to get you to conceed that the sky is blue and grass is green is hard enough, so i will stop trying to get you to give a little on any basketball related topic since it will never happen .

Would you care to invite me to kill a random person so at least we can do something togther that is meaningful?

Cross, you sure found a GIF of that dunk fast enough......
And I'll be stealing it ^_^


And anyone trying to argue the merits of Joel P is suffering Post Ben Seperation Denial Syndrome

Sheed/DD
Dice/Max
Tay/Bonzi
Rip/Delfino
Billups/Blalock

Thats a huge gamble. Would Dice be able to start? Is Max ready? Can Sheed even play the 5 well? Is Blalock the backup we need?
I'd ask the same question about pryzbilla. Maxiell is athletic, plays bigger than his height and is fearless. I say give him a shot. in fact i dont care sign pryz as long as he doesnt get major minutes. I can see pick and rolls for days on him.

Teams ran pick and rolls with Zo and Shaq all game long too..... yet one of them was always in the game, and Miami still won the title.

Przybilla is a true center. Sheed would not last 82 games at that spot giving up 30-60 lbs per game.

Dice and his knee shouldnt be pushed any harder than they are at this stage, either. We need a starting center.

We also need someone with some SIZE that can't be backed down all the damn time. Sheed got beaten up inside by Ruben freaking Patterson. He's an excellent defender, but just not the bulk to play C for more than spot minutes.


And for the VERY last time, while Pryz isnt fast by any means, he has excellent lateral quickness for a guy his size. Side-to-side, he's above average.

Would you care to invite me to kill a random person so at least we can do something togther that is meaningful?
Most definately, but its B.Y.O.K./G.(Bring your own knife/gun).


On a serious note i just never liked what i saw from pryz, dude was stiff as fuck and was mostly good for doing the "Zo" theory of standing around waiting to block a shot. I want an athletic big. pryz isnt starter material. on our bench i dont care if he goes there. but starting? no.

BYOK.lol

I see where your coming from. I wouldnt want Pryz starting, but it beats Dice starting at the 4 and Sheed at 5.

Teams ran pick and rolls with Zo and Shaq all game long too..... yet one of them was always in the game..
shaq=more athletic by far.
Zo=quicker by far.


But i'm sure its the same thing.[smilie=reporter.gi: :rolleyes:

Teams ran pick and rolls with Zo and Shaq all game long too..... yet one of them was always in the game..
shaq=more athletic by far.
Zo=quicker by far.


But i'm sure its the same thing.[smilie=reporter.gi: :rolleyes:

Dude, saying shaq is quicker than ANYONE is just wrong. That's just hating on the kid.

BYOK.lol

I see where your coming from. I wouldnt want Pryz starting, but it beats Dice starting at the 4 and Sheed at 5.
no it doesnt.

Teams ran pick and rolls with Zo and Shaq all game long too..... yet one of them was always in the game..
shaq=more athletic by far.
Zo=quicker by far.


But i'm sure its the same thing.[smilie=reporter.gi: :rolleyes:

Dude, saying shaq is quicker than ANYONE is just wrong.
not pryz. believe that. and i said more athletic. i said zo was quicker and he is by far.

BYOK.lol

I see where your coming from. I wouldnt want Pryz starting, but it beats Dice starting at the 4 and Sheed at 5.
no it doesnt.


Actually, it does. It prevents every post player in the league from scoring 40 points on us, like they did last year, becasue we had no freaking size to push people out of the paint.

Teams ran pick and rolls with Zo and Shaq all game long too..... yet one of them was always in the game..
shaq=more athletic by far.
Zo=quicker by far.


But i'm sure its the same thing.[smilie=reporter.gi: :rolleyes:

Dude, saying shaq is quicker than ANYONE is just wrong.
not pryz. believe that. and i said more athletic. i said zo was quicker and he is by far.

"more athletic" doesnt help him defend pick and rolls if it has nothing to do with his feet......

He isn't a plodding stiff. That's simply not true. You don't block 2.5 shots playing only half the game without being athletic.

BYOK.lol

I see where your coming from. I wouldnt want Pryz starting, but it beats Dice starting at the 4 and Sheed at 5.
no it doesnt.


Actually, it does. It prevents every post player in the league from scoring 40 points on us, like they did last year, becasue we had no freaking size to push people out of the paint.
not really. i'd put my money on bosh, shaq, and every athletic big man in the league to school him. he can't recover once he gets beat. help out blocker. not one on one defender in the least bit.

He isn't a plodding stiff. That's simply not true. You don't block 2.5 shots playing only half the game without being athletic.
tell that to manute bol.

not really. i'd put my money on bosh, shaq, and every athletic big man in the league to school him. he can't recover once he gets beat. help out blocker. not one on one defender in the least bit.

Uh, yeah. Bosh is a PF, not a C. And of course he's quicker, he's a special player.

and BTW, nobody ever mistook Ben Wallace for a great one-on-one defender either. He didnt get beat often, but other centers backed him down and scored over the top of him a ton. His slaim to fame was as a basket protector, whis is EXACTLY what Joel is.

I'd also wager he guards shaq a ton better than Ben did. You dont need skill to guard shaq anymore, you simply need bulk.

not really. i'd put my money on bosh, shaq, and every athletic big man in the league to school him. he can't recover once he gets beat. help out blocker. not one on one defender in the least bit.

Uh, yeah. Bosh is a PF, not a C. And of course he's quicker, he's a special player.

and BTW, nobody ever mistook Ben Wallace for a great one-on-one defender either. He didnt get beat often, but other centers backed him down and scored over the top of him a ton.

I'd also wager he guards shaq a ton better than Ben did. You dont need skill to guard shaq anymore, you simply need bulk.
So Ben wasnt covering guards on the perimeter when required? Yea lets see how that looks with pryz. But you're gonna spin every comparisom i give tonite as part of controlling the damage of replacing YOUR admitted most hated player on the team. So screw comparisoms. I'll just leave you with the Pryz i saw wasn't a starter quality player.


You are gonna be doing damage control all night i see. Have fun with it Chris Mckloskey. I hope they pay you well.:cool:

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Blocks.jsp?league=00&qualified=Y&season=22005

Top 10 shot-blockers in the NBA. Apparently Pryzbilla, despite his plodding feet, was a better shot-blocker than Ben Wallace's very athletic feet last year....

and in per-48, Przybilla was #5 in the entire league.

Give the kid a chance if Dumars believes in him that much.

Give the kid a chance if Dumars believes in him that much.
1.) he's not a kid. he's a vet :)
2.)You have the inside track on whether Joe Believes in him or is just grabbing whats available?

Maybe you are Chris.:eek: :rolleyes:

1.) he's not a kid. he's a vet

He's as much a vet as Ben was when we got him. A lot of years, not much chance to shine.


2.)You have the inside track on whether Joe Believes in him or is just grabbing whats available?

Do you think Joe believed in Ben, or was he just grabbing what was available?

I don't take Joe for an idiot.

1.) he's not a kid. he's a vet

He's as much a vet as Ben was when we got him. A lot of years, not much chance to shine.


2.)You have the inside track on whether Joe Believes in him or is just grabbing whats available?

Do you think Joe believed in Ben, or was he just grabbing what was available?

I don't take Joe for an idiot.
HE IS NOT BEN. HE IS NOT UNIQUE OR OUT OF THE ORDINARY AT ALL. AND YOU HAVEN't COME CLOSE TO PROVING AS MUCH.

Clear enough? you hang on to that excuse and its the lamest thing on earth. they arent in the same ballpark. But keep spinning until your head comes off your neck.

Either Joe thinks shit out, or he doesn't You can't say he put a lot of thought into aquiring Ben and then say he wasnt thinking when he went after Joel. It doesnt work that way.

I HAVE proven that Joel and Ben at age 26 were pretty much at identical points in their careers. You can re-write hsitory all you want, but the fact is nobody thought he was anything more than a decent role player.

Just maybe, oh I dunno, Joe Dumars might just know a little more about this shit?

I don't take Joe for an idiot.
Really? Getting jacked for Ben by Paxson and Skiles with nothing in return moved him a lot further down my idiot scale towards terminal retard.

Anyone who thinks Pryzbilla will be special based on numbers alone (1) doesn't play basketball, and (2) can't observe basketball.

Ben could switch on LeBron. Pryzbilla will crap his tighty whities the first time he gets trapped on the perimiter with Wade or LBJ. The dude makes the statue of Liberty look limber.

Instead of propping up a bunch of BS shot blocking #s, let's talk about how JP is almost 5 inches taller than Ben. Let's talk about about the fact he's played only 55% of the available games in the last 4 years. Let's talk about how he started only a quarter of his team's games, or half of what he played.

The last caucasian to win the DPOY was Mark Eaton. And JP reminds me of Jon Koncak.

The MLE for this bum is a joke.

This is a tough position that the Pistons are in. It might be best to think of it as "what is the best value they can get for the MLE".

Factor in that we need a center that can log minutes and defend the rim and I'd be okay with Pryz at the full MLE (rather give it to him than Banks, for sure) and someone is going to give him the whole MLE.

If nothing else he can be moved later, but it's all about acquiring assets right now IMO, gotta get back into a position of strength.

Maybe we can sign Pryz to the MLE and still get Bonzi via sign and trade? I don't have time to look at what we could send to Sacramento for Bonzi.

Having a DD/Pryz platoon might be about the best recovery that Joe D can pull off right about now.

Bag of Chips, Cato a pick and a note saying sorry we had to rape you but we needed Bonzi.

Either Joe thinks shit out, or he doesn't You can't say he put a lot of thought into aquiring Ben and then say he wasnt thinking when he went after Joel. It doesnt work that way.
yea that would be real fucked up if i said that. Kstat your power of assumption is failing you for the millionth time. [smilie=blaha.gif]

You act like he picked Pryzbilla out of a great litter of FA Centers. the market is fucked at that position. he took all that he was gonna get. And the guy isnt a starter. Spin it whatever way you want, but he isnt. Doesnt make Joe an idiot. It makes you one if you keep putting words in my mouth :). Joe wasnt a genius to get Ben either, more words to put into my mouth. He was flat out lucky. Sometimes you get lucky. He's unlucky that ben is gone in a year when the best centers available are nazr and pryzbilla.

Anyone who thinks Pryzbilla will be special based on numbers alone (1) doesn't play basketball, and (2) can't observe basketball.

Oh, I observed him pretty damn well intimidating the shit out of us when Portland nearly beat us twice with that garbage roster.


Ben could switch on LeBron. Pryzbilla will crap his tighty whities the first time he gets trapped on the perimiter with Wade or LBJ. The dude makes the statue of Liberty look limber.

Most overrated thing Ben's ever been known for.

Yes, he switched out on guards, and they usually shot over him or drew a foul going by him.

But yes, Pryz will never even be able to switch out, which I guess makes every other center in the NBA a bum too.


Instead of propping up a bunch of BS shot blocking #s, let's talk about how JP is almost 5 inches taller than Ben.

As I said, somehow Joel's height would turn into a negative because Ben's so short.....

But you're right. 7-footers suck. We should only play 6'7" centers. Last time I checked, there wasn't a handicap in the NBA for being short.


Let's talk about about the fact he's played only 55% of the available games in the last 4 years.

...and if we marched to that tune, we wouldnt have chauncey, Dice or rip right now either.


The last caucasian to win the DPOY was Mark Eaton. And JP reminds me of Jon Koncak.

...and the clincher.

OMG HE'S WHITE! WE CANT SIGN A WHITE CENTER! NOOOOOO!

Bag of Chips, Cato a pick and a note saying sorry we had to rape you but we needed Bonzi.
that'll work if cato was ever thinking about being a part of it. which he probally wont. nobody is trying to do us favors these days. Wheres danny ainge when you need him for a trade. Zeke too.

I don't take Joe for an idiot.
The dude makes the statue of Liberty look limber.




My Favorite line of the night, regardless of how I feel about Pryz.

And the guy isnt a starter.

As long as you're willing to admit you said the same thing about Ben in 2000, i'm ok with that.

And if you tell me what ben was somehow more qualified to start than joel is now at the same age, you're lying through your teeth.

Microwave when you read Kstats posts. Remember he's a Ben Hater from day one. That'll help you find logic to these weak arguments he makes against him and for any replacement for him.:cool:

You know what would be cool?

If you guys would just drop he lame personal attacks so those of us that are trying to discuss possible solutions and ideas don't have to sift through the bullshit to get to the valuable discussion.

I'm sure you won't, but I thought I'd ask anyways.

Nobody here is 100% right or wrong, so why not quit trying to pin things on each other?

And the guy isnt a starter.

As long as you're willing to admit you said the same thing about Ben in 2000, i'm ok with that.
as long as you are willing to admit they arent the same player and its not the same scenario at all.. Ben was a fan favorite and consistent role player off the bench. Consistent is the last thing you'll hear about pryzbilla.

So GD do yo think the bag of chips was too much in the deal for Bonzi?

Seriously though there is no objective right or wrong answer to the problem only options that we can discussm no reason to make it personal.

So GD do yo think the bag of chips was too much in the deal for Bonzi?


Deal breaker.

Maybe Joe can scrounge up some of Stack's old gummy bears?

Here's the thing about Przybilla:

6 points, 7 boards and 2.3 blocks in 24 minutes for a team that had no clue how to play basketball.

I think in 30-32 minutes on the Pistons, he could get 10/10/3.

Is a 10-10-3 center worth the MLE? I think that's the question.

Obviously, you'd be paying for the shot-blocking first, but keep in mind this guy has had some monster rebound games as well. No, he wouldn't be a scorer, but we dont' need one in the starting 5, we need one off the bench.

That's my case for him, anyhow.

And if you tell me what ben was somehow more qualified to start than joel is now at the same age, you're lying through your teeth.
Ummm showing up for 81 games and 8 rebounds per game off the bench is already more qualified. Should i add the almost a steal a game he was averaging off the bench too?

lying through your teeth would be calling this a legitimate replacement pickup for an overrated player who only deserved 7 million a year..[smilie=burgerking.:

Pryzbilla played 50 + games. Not all that reliable that he sustains any numbers for an 82 game season..

kstat, you missed my point altogether. I'm not saying Pryzbilla's height is somehow a negative, what I am saying is that his #s are comparable to Ben's AND HE HAS A MASSIVE PHYSICAL ADVANTAGE.

Not to mention that when Ben played in Orlando, he wasn't playing with Zach Randolph or being backed up by the Rattler.

Ben was one of the few PFs who could play Center at a high level. Pryzbilla is a center who can only play Center at a somewhat ok level.

Bottom line, Pryzbilla is scrub-a-licious and JMax will eat him for breakfast, floss with Tayshaun's right arm and drink all of Flip's KoolAid on the first morning of training camp. And the $5 million dollars will be wasted on the Minnesota version of the Inflatable Defender aka the Robotic Pretender.

@ Glenn - sorry to sully your board. Honestly, not my style, I just come to see what the big kids are writing about and I keep running across PapSmear and he's driving me bananas. He's the Steve Urkel of Ben Hate.

@ Gutz - thanks for the heads up. I can spot a hater from a mile away. They're never wrong, and even less frequently right.

I'm out. Peace to all my baby mamas's.

kstat, you missed my point altogether. I'm not saying Pryzbilla's height is somehow a negative, what I am saying is that his #s are comparable to Ben's AND HE HAS A MASSIVE PHYSICAL ADVANTAGE.



And you're missing my point. They play the same position, so height doesn't come into play. Either Ben can do the job or he can't. This isnt a pity contest for ben because he;s 6-7.

http://www.oregonlive.com/weblogs/blazersoregonian/

Apparently, the Spurs also want him too to be their center. They must be idiots also.


4th of July Fireworks

The 4th of July figures to be a big day for the Blazers.

Free agent center Joel Przybilla is expected to make a decision where he will play on Tuesday, and it appears to be between Detroit, Portland and San Antonio.

Przybilla and his agent, Bill Duffy, had a teleconference at 9 p.m. Monday night to discuss an offer made by the Pistons, who aggressively pursued Przybilla after Ben Wallace left Detroit for Chicago on Monday.

Neither Przybilla nor Duffy returned calls after their meeting.

However, I did speak with Blazers president Steve Patterson at about 10 p.m., and Patterson wasn't ready to concede defeat. He said the Blazers have "put their best foot forward", which has included an offer to Przybilla of five years worth an estimated $30 million. The Pistons and Spurs are in roughly the same boat as the Blazers - only able to offer the midlevel exception - but the Blazers can give Joel 10.5 percent raises per season, while the other teams can give only 8.5 percent raises.

At any rate, Patterson said the Blazers have already begun their homework on free agent centers given the chance Przybilla bolts. Among the group the Blazers have talked to: Miami's Alonzo Mourning, New Jersey's Jarron Collins and San Antonio's Nazr Mohammed.

Sorry I couldn't give you more information on the Duffy-Przybilla conference ... will try again tomorrow.

Quick

THe good news is, we'll know by the end of today.

@ Glenn - sorry to sully your board. Honestly, not my style, I just come to see what the big kids are writing about and I keep running across PapSmear and he's driving me bananas. He's the Steve Urkel of Ben Hate.


You're welcome here anytime.

FWIW, I think Pryz would be crazy to stay in Portland. He's being handed a golden ticket out of that mess.

The Spurs are idiots. They replaced David Robinson with Rasho. They traded for Mohammed.

Now they want JP. Well, let them have him. I'll try my luck with Kelvin Cato and someone not named Delfino who can back up Rip and Tay for the MLE.

@ Glenn - sorry to sully your board. Honestly, not my style, I just come to see what the big kids are writing about and I keep running across PapSmear and he's driving me bananas. He's the Steve Urkel of Ben Hate.

You're welcome here anytime.
Gracias but PapSmear was a little overboard. Reckon I will just stick with Urkel next time.

Joel Przybilla is one of the best defensive centers in the league. He's not Ben Wallace, but we're not getting another one of those. Most of you people who seem to have some kind of grudge against him and he's not even a Piston yet. I agree that we still need a good inside scoring presence but Przybilla is not 'scrubilicious'. He'll block shots, clog lanes, rebound the ball, and can finish when he's open. That's all we need from him.

Could Ben switch on LeBron? Yeah. Could Ben guard LeBron? No. So what's your point?

Joel Przybilla is one of the best defensive centers in the league. He's not Ben Wallace, but we're not getting another one of those. Most of you people who seem to have some kind of grudge against him and he's not even a Piston yet. I agree that we still need a good inside scoring presence but Przybilla is not 'scrubilicious'. He'll block shots, clog lanes, rebound the ball, and can finish when he's open. That's all we need from him.

Could Ben switch on LeBron? Yeah. Could Ben guard LeBron? No. So what's your point?


Great post.

And your right about Pryz BUT is he worth getting over Bonzi, the slasher/shooter/bench player we need? That's up to Flip and Joe.

Joel Przybilla is one of the best defensive centers in the league. He's not Ben Wallace, but we're not getting another one of those. Most of you people who seem to have some kind of grudge against him and he's not even a Piston yet. I agree that we still need a good inside scoring presence but Przybilla is not 'scrubilicious'. He'll block shots, clog lanes, rebound the ball, and can finish when he's open. That's all we need from him.

Could Ben switch on LeBron? Yeah. Could Ben guard LeBron? No. So what's your point?


Great post.

And your right about Pryz BUT is he worth getting over Bonzi, the slasher/shooter/bench player we need? That's up to Flip and Joe.
Thats just it - Pryzbilla isnt Ben Wallace, kstat - stop trying to say he is. Sure, he might turn out good, but at this stage its just unknown so theres no point in arguing it.

ATM Pryz is what we need. We have no starting centre, and we need one of them before we go around upgrading the bench.

Big Z makes 250-300% more than the MLE in Cleveland. Yao makes even more than that. If we can get a decent 7'1 center like JP for the midlevel, its a steal.

Having said that, I'd probably rather have Bonzi, if I had to choose between the two, because they could use Dice/Davis/Max to fill Ben's role, but they still have no slasher/backup 3.

I don't see what the f$%king problem is with getting Pryzbilla. Any starting NBA center who can defend well and block shots is easily worth the MLE. It's the weakest position in the league. If he doesn't really work out we should easily be able to trade him. I say sign him and see what happens. I would rather have Bonzi but I just don't see him coming here for the MLE.

pryz is worth the mle. not a good alternative, but the best of whats left.

but hes not coming here.

why would he come to detroit over the spurs? same money, better chance to win with the spurs... spurs!

Blazers Leaders in EFF/Min (league average = .441)

Player EPM Rank
Joel Przybilla 0.482 # 88
Zach Randolph 0.465 # 106
Theo Ratliff 0.403 # 177
Steve Blake 0.389 # 201
Viktor Khryapa 0.386 # 207
Brian Skinner 0.386 # 208
Travis Outlaw 0.372 # 232
Juan Dixon 0.369 # 239
Jarrett Jack 0.360 # 250
Sebastian Telfair 0.348 # 267
Darius Miles 0.345 # 270
Martell Webster 0.320 # 290

With just one player, Joel Przybilla, in the Top 100 in EPM, the Blazers might be the league’s most inefficient team, which would explain why they were the worst team in the league last season.

Anyone think Priz will be just a tad bit better playing with Billups. Tayshaun, Dice, Sheed and Rip. He was very efficent playing on a terrible team.

If he signs with us, he will be playing with 3 All Stars and Tayshaun. I see only positive things when it comes to Priz. If we can lock him upo for 5 years and only pay him 31 million, I would be very happy. One thing Joe D has shown is that he can lock up young bubble guys, upside guys with long term MLE contracts .....and they usually pan out.

Lock up Priz for 6 and he will be a Piston through until he's 31. I like that....it would help combat the Darko clusterfuck. Priz works, blocks shots and want to win. I hpe we get him.

Joel Pryzbilla? I remember him in Minnesota, unfortunately. Ugh.

This reminds me too much of Detroit losing Allan Houston to New York (sensing a free agency theme here? Houston, Hill, Wallace...) and Doug Collins immediately trading for Stacey Augmon and Grant Long as damage control. Not only did that move completely backfire, it allowed Atlanta to cross us off as contenders for their free agent center Dikembe Mutombo. We doubly shot ourselves in the foot.

I don't think Pryzbilla is the way to go. I think adding Wells would help. But as far as bigs go, we need to come up with someone else or use what we've got. Don't just add someone for the sake of it.

Joel Pryzbilla? I remember him in Minnesota, unfortunately. Ugh.

This reminds me too much of Detroit losing Allan Houston to New York (sensing a free agency theme here? Houston, Hill, Wallace...) and Doug Collins immediately trading for Stacey Augmon and Grant Long as damage control. Not only did that move completely backfire, it allowed Atlanta to cross us off as contenders for their free agent center Dikembe Mutombo. We doubly shot ourselves in the foot.

I don't think Pryzbilla is the way to go. I think adding Wells would help. But as far as bigs go, we need to come up with someone else or use what we've got. Don't just add someone for the sake of it.

Priz played for the Gophers 6 years ago. Big men take longer to develop. If we can lock up him for 6 years he will be a key piece to our reloading. He is not Ben Wallace, but name me a better young Big man that we can get for this cheap?

I guess a lot of people haven't seen przy play over the last 2 years....he's not anything like he was earlier in his career.

I know the fan club won't like this one, but I don't see a big difference between Pryz and Darko, other than we know Pryz is more mature and isn't a quitter.

I know the fan club won't like this one, but I don't see a big difference between Pryz and Darko, other than we know Pryz is more mature and isn't a quitter.
unfortunately darko is quicker, a much better shooter, but not as smart on defense. otherwise no theres not much difference besides Darko's bigger upside and the possibility that pryz is already at his peak.[smilie=grumble.gif]

Przy has some potential left as well.

Not as much potential as Darko obviously, but this kid could still get a lot better. His game is still developing.

Przy has some potential left as well.

Not as much potential as Darko obviously, but this kid could still get a lot better. His game is still developing.
i doubt it. theres not much proof of that at all. if you have some, you're welcomed to share it.(and no i'm not actually being sarcastic this time)

Darko being a better shooter is certainly debatable.

Not saying Pryz' shooting is a +, but he'll give you almost he same results at a lower price tag. Just wait and compare their production/salary ratios next year if they play equal minutes.

Darko being a better shooter is certainly debatable.

Not saying Pryz' shooting is a +, but he'll give you almost he same results at a lower price tag. Just wait and compare their production/salary ratios next year if they play equal minutes.
you wont like the results Glenn. And this is coming from a guy who thinks darko is an idiot.

Darko isn't a better shooter (at least not yet). Another thing Przybilla does better than Milcic is get to the line. He may not be much of a sniper from there, but getting there is about as important as making them.

We're comparing Pryz and Darko' shooting ability? Seriously? Sorry fellas, I missed the games where JP was hitting 18 footers...even one.

We're comparing Pryz and Darko' shooting ability? Seriously? Sorry fellas, I missed the games where JP was hitting 18 footers...even one. Why exactly would we need a 7'1" center to shoot 18-footers? Yeah, I'm sure the Pistons could use another long distance jumpshooter. He's better inside, which is exactly what we need.

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We're comparing Pryz and Darko' shooting ability? Seriously? Sorry fellas, I missed the games where JP was hitting 18 footers...even one. Why exactly would we need a 7'1" center to shoot 18-footers? Yeah, I'm sure the Pistons could use another long distance jumpshooter. He's better inside, which is exactly what we need.

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thats a fair argument. but he's not a better shooter than darko. you kinda write off darko's jumpshot. but its light years better than any jump shot from any distance by przybilla. But Prz is a better rebounder and defender.

We're comparing Pryz and Darko' shooting ability? Seriously? Sorry fellas, I missed the games where JP was hitting 18 footers...even one. Why exactly would we need a 7'1" center to shoot 18-footers? Yeah, I'm sure the Pistons could use another long distance jumpshooter. He's better inside, which is exactly what we need.

[smilie=blaha.gif] thats a fair argument. but he's not a better shooter than darko. you kinda write off darko's jumpshot. but its light years better than any jump shot from any distance by przybilla. But Prz is a better rebounder and defender.
I'm not writing it off, but we don't need another jumpshooter. We already got a big jumpshooter in Sheed, and he's better than both of them. When it comes to the inside game, Przy is currently ahead of Milicic (no doubt due in part to his lack of playing time and age) and that's what we need. Joel's not a good jumpshooter, but we don't need him to be.

We're comparing Pryz and Darko' shooting ability? Seriously? Sorry fellas, I missed the games where JP was hitting 18 footers...even one. Why exactly would we need a 7'1" center to shoot 18-footers? Yeah, I'm sure the Pistons could use another long distance jumpshooter. He's better inside, which is exactly what we need.

[smilie=blaha.gif] thats a fair argument. but he's not a better shooter than darko. you kinda write off darko's jumpshot. but its light years better than any jump shot from any distance by przybilla. But Prz is a better rebounder and defender.
I'm not writing it off, but we don't need another jumpshooter. We already got a big jumpshooter in Sheed, and he's better than both of them. When it comes to the inside game, Przy is currently ahead of Milicic (no doubt due in part to his lack of playing time and age) and that's what we need. Joel's not a good jumpshooter, but we don't need him to be.
Ok i feel where you're coming from. But you said this.

Darko isn't a better shooter (at least not yet).
I disagreed with that. But i agree Joel is a more consistent inside player(though nothing to fear at all). Though Darko could've developed that part of his game further. Can't agree that another jump shooter kills us at that position.

either way Darkface quit and is gone by his own choice more than Joe's. Right now we have shitty options that all involve hoping something/someone turns out better than expected. the offseason sucks.

Well this is all moot, Nazr has agreed to sign with the Pistons.

so from a guy that I could live with...to a hopeless nobody that brings absolutely zero to the table. I'd almost rather be in the fucking lotto...got damn.

Can't agree that another jump shooter kills us at that position.
I don't know about that Gutz. The last thing we need is another guy hanging out near the 3-point-line. We'd literally have nobody within 8 feet of the net. Our offensive rebounding would evaporate, and it was one of our strengths last year.

Can't agree that another jump shooter kills us at that position.
I don't know about that Gutz. The last thing we need is another guy hanging out near the 3-point-line. We'd literally have nobody within 8 feet of the net. Our offensive rebounding would evaporate, and it was one of our strengths last year.
now we have Nazr. Now that'll kill us. but he'll get some rebounds though. think taller otis thorpe without the offense.[smilie=sayitaintso:

Can't agree that another jump shooter kills us at that position. I don't know about that Gutz. The last thing we need is another guy hanging out near the 3-point-line. We'd literally have nobody within 8 feet of the net. Our offensive rebounding would evaporate, and it was one of our strengths last year. now we have Nazr. Now that'll kill us. but he'll get some rebounds though. think taller otis thorpe without the offense.[smilie=sayitaintso:
I'm with you on that brother. [smilie=dissed.gif]

Pryzbilla will reportedly re-sign with Portland.

Pryzbilla will reportedly re-sign with Portland.
so unlike ben he's staying loyal for probally slightly less dough?[smilie=rofl.gif]

Nah, he's staying in Portland because he recieved fair market value. Many teams were offering the MLE, and Portland stepped up and matched that offer(actually sweetened it to $32M with the fifth year a player option) and he decided to stay.

He gets paid more in Portland. About 1.25 million more over the life of the contract, if the MLE is 5 million.

Nah, he's staying in Portland because he recieved fair market value. Many teams were offering the MLE, and Portland stepped up and matched that offer(actually sweetened it to $32M with the fifth year a player option) and he decided to stay.

He gets paid more in Portland. About 1.25 million more over the life of the contract, if the MLE is 5 million.
well thats even better. Portland showing us how to overpay "the right way" when you want to keep a player.

Przybilla>>>>>>>Nazr.

This fucking sucks. Joel was well worth the MLE, but not Nazr.

He's a decent offensive center, but not half the terror Joel is on defense.

Przybilla>>>>>>>Nazr.

This fucking sucks.
be careful what find yourself satisfied with. you hate ben? well now you get to see him demolish his favorite bitch. You may even see the bulls challenge for the nba title. enjoy the sight.

Przybilla>>>>>>>Nazr.

This fucking sucks.
be careful what find yourself satisfied with. you hate ben? well now you get to see him demolish his favorite bitch. You may even see the bulls challenge for the nba title. enjoy the sight.

Don't root too hard now....

Przybilla>>>>>>>Nazr.

This fucking sucks.
be careful what find yourself satisfied with. you hate ben? well now you get to see him demolish his favorite bitch. You may even see the bulls challenge for the nba title. enjoy the sight.

Don't root too hard now....
for what? you wore that comeback out 5+ pages ago. the truth is that nazr is Ben's bitch and the bulls are a big favorite to challenge miami in the east. If spewing out weak rehashed replies like a robot is all you have to say. Then you must be speechless. Well speechless as far as useful replies are concerned. [smilie=reporter.gi: Next time get a reading comprehension skills. YOU hated Ben. I hate the situation. But if you're going to try the Mccarthy excuse of calling everyone traitors for pointing out how backwards this is. You're gonna have a long day.

It' not that, it's the fact you seem to be gloating about it.

It' not that, it's the fact you seem to be gloating about it.
And thats why you should never ever trust your ability to assume and/or interpret anything properly. You even go as far as to call your assumption a fact.

Why do you fuckers have to bitch and moan in every fucking thread?

Can't you just SHUT THE FUCK UP every once in a while?

Seriously.

I tried hinting at this last night and the hint went unnoticed.

Agree to disagree and move on already.

Why do you fuckers have to bitch and moan in every fucking thread?

Can't you just SHUT THE FUCK UP every once in a while?

word. or take it to the dome. Im trying to read some basketball while you got 2 or 3 guys bitching at each other