Joe D says he has a contingency. Frankly, I think this is going to sting a bit, since trading Darko couldn't have been a worse move at this point. But as I said, this is a "What now?" Thread.

We need to stay competitive, so here are some of my suggestions:

Option 1:
Trade Dice and Dale Davis to Atlanta for a S&T with Al Harrington. Use the MLE (or part of it) on any decent big, Nazr, Przybilla, or Evans. Start Wallace, a 25 year old Harrington, Prince, Hamilton, and Billups. The other nice thing about this is that it would open up PT for Delfino for sure and probably Johnson/Maxiell. We would be small, but far more athletic and balanced.

Option 2
Offer Zo the MLE with a buyout injury clause after 3 years, use the MLE on a PG like Marcus Banks. With Billups and Dice likely to opt out, this would give us still enough space to land a top free agent if they leave. Banks, our two first rounders, Rip, Delfino, Prince, and Zo would be at least a decent nucleus, and we would use our picks to beef up the frontcourt if we resigned Billups. I think we would actually be a better team this season with Zo than Ben, since he is more of a post defender, and we would have a bit better balance. I hate this option though because I hate Zo.

Option 3
Resign Cato to a deal at about 4-5 mill for one season. Look for a free agent steal at the deadline with Cato + Dale Davis ( about 8 mill). If not, be a huge offseason player next season with a $30 mill payroll and two first rounders. This would likely improve our pick next season, but make the Orlando pick worse as well. Still the possibility of two lotto picks in that draft and good cap room has to look nice. Look at what Chicago did to us this year.

aka fun with unlikely trades thread. i'm sure kilo will be all over this. have fun guys.

In fact only one of my suggestions even has a trade. And I don't think Atlanta signing Harrington is a slam dunk. Why would they sign Claxton first anyway?

What now? Boycott all things Piston's related. Hit that penny pinching fuck where it hurts. I hope the Palace is empty next season. Eat shit and die you old fuck.

Nah. By tomorrow morning, the beatwriter bought and paid for articles and a Joe Dumars WDFN interview later and the fans will be drinking the Pistons kool-aid again, and Ben Wallace Haterade.

Nah. By tomorrow morning, the beatwriter bought and paid for articles and a Joe Dumars WDFN interview later and the fans will be drinking the Pistons kool-aid again, and Ben Wallace Haterade.

Rob Parker is probably getting the lube ready right now

as far as im concerned, joe's already answered 'what now?':



Lindsey's back ...
The Pistons got their first commitment of the free agency period from Lindsey Hunter, who will sign a two-year deal worth about $4.5 million. He can't sign the deal until July 12.

Oh, it gets better for Hunter.

When his contract is up, Hunter will also be given a position within the organization, primarily assisting president of basketball operations, Joe Dumars.

"That's what makes this all really special, an opportunity to work with Joe when my playing days are over," Hunter said. "I'm looking forward to playing, but I'm also looking forward to what lies ahead for me when I'm done playing, too."

Hunter said the Phoenix Suns showed a lot of interest, but his desire was to return to Detroit.

"This is where I wanted to be," Hunter said. "I wasn't real thrilled with the idea of moving my family, so this worked out great."

In all likelihood, Hunter will be Chauncey Billups' backup at the point, with the third point guard possibly being rookie Will Blalock or second-yeard guard Alex Acker, who is a shooting guard who got most of his practice last season primarily at the point guard position.

good job, joe. going 1 for 2 is good in any profession!

So Joe really believes in Will Blaylock I guess.

I take it Hunter's getting the LLE again? If so, it's not a bad deal.

as far as im concerned, joe's already answered 'what now?':



Lindsey's back ...
The Pistons got their first commitment of the free agency period from Lindsey Hunter, who will sign a two-year deal worth about $4.5 million. He can't sign the deal until July 12.

Oh, it gets better for Hunter.

When his contract is up, Hunter will also be given a position within the organization, primarily assisting president of basketball operations, Joe Dumars.

"That's what makes this all really special, an opportunity to work with Joe when my playing days are over," Hunter said. "I'm looking forward to playing, but I'm also looking forward to what lies ahead for me when I'm done playing, too."

Hunter said the Phoenix Suns showed a lot of interest, but his desire was to return to Detroit.

"This is where I wanted to be," Hunter said. "I wasn't real thrilled with the idea of moving my family, so this worked out great."

In all likelihood, Hunter will be Chauncey Billups' backup at the point, with the third point guard possibly being rookie Will Blalock or second-yeard guard Alex Acker, who is a shooting guard who got most of his practice last season primarily at the point guard position.

good job, joe. going 1 for 2 is good in any profession!

So we've got Billups, Rip, Prince, Dice, Sheed, Hunter, Davis, Delfino, Johnson, and Maxiell under contract now.

That's slightly less the $50 million in contracts. Since we had Hunter's Bird rights, we still have the full MLE, the LLE, and a $2.4 million trade exception. Those three added up won't get us to the luxury tax, so spending shouldn't be an issue.

4.5 mil? wtf? i dont get it...he should have better used this 4.5 mil for Ben...

Last I checked our #1 target was Bonzi Wells.

wastign the MLE on a medicore center would be stupid.

Kstat, I think Bonzi was our primary target with the MLE. As we have seen, players don't really like to take paycuts. He will probably stay with Sacramento or do a S&T. Can you honestly say that we can afford to ignore the defensive post, because we at least have Delfino to backup the SG/SF spot. Currently, it looks like Dale Davis and Rasheed will start, with Dice in the same role but more minutes. I don't think is very good, but it sounds like the most likely scenario.

Why would we sign Hunter to a 2 year deal? We need the cap space for next season. This sucks ass. I smell a MLE on Nazr Muhammed coming and I don't like it.

There's no big man out there worth the MLE. Bonzi Wells would be.

If we don't wina title this year because we dont have joel pryzbilla, i can live with that and use our MLE next year on a big man, or get one in the draft.

Assuming we used the LLE on Lindsey, I'm ok with this. If we used the MLE, yeah I'll be pissed.

Kstat, I think Bonzi was our primary target with the MLE. As we have seen, players don't really like to take paycuts. He will probably stay with Sacramento or do a S&T. Can you honestly say that we can afford to ignore the defensive post, because we at least have Delfino to backup the SG/SF spot. Currently, it looks like Dale Davis and Rasheed will start, with Dice in the same role but more minutes. I don't think is very good, but it sounds like the most likely scenario.

Why would we sign Hunter to a 2 year deal? We need the cap space for next season. This sucks ass. I smell a MLE on Nazr Muhammed coming and I don't like it.

I agree. I think Nazr Mohammad will be a Piston, as early as tomorrow afternoon.

With Indiana losing Peja, they're looking at bringing Bonzi Wells home, and unlike the Pistons would have S&T pieces available if necessary.

We'd have sign and trade pieces if Joe not been forced to give them away to save money.

why in the hell would bonzi sign in detroit? let me think.

"i could sign for more money in sacremento and play for a crappy 50 win team... or i could sign in detroit for half the money for a crappy 50 win team... what should i do".

look for alot of that. guys coming to detroit over LA or miami or anyone else? those days are over. its time to think piston TEAL again.

Why would we sign Hunter to a 2 year deal? We need the cap space for next season. This sucks ass. I smell a MLE on Nazr Muhammed coming and I don't like it.

i have no idea why we sign a 34 year old to be our primary backup PG the next 2 seasons...just make him assistant manag now, we dont need Lindsey on the court anymore

THE SKY IS FALLING!

YES IT IS...Nazr or whoever we can get with the MLE won't get it done...we aren't contenders anymore...why waste money and time, why sign Lindsey to a 2year deal...REBUILD! get me some young guys i can get excited about, so i can rave about their potential...i dont want a medicore team which cant get past Miami, Chicago and Cleveland

I am going to be so interested as to how the Pistons organization is going to spin that we can possibly have improved from last season by having Nazr instead of Ben. Joe, hope you got something up your ass, because if Boston lands AI, we are going to have some difficulty making the playoffs. I gotta assume that Chicago, Cleveland, Washington, and Miami are in. That is going to be a tight race with Boston, New Jersey, Milwaukee, indy, us, and yes, Orlando.

no, it actually fell already. i know you think the pistons losing ben only "stings alittle" and its "ok to be a good team". but ive seen that with the pistons, and it sucks. watching the guys we used to throw around beat the crap out of us is going to be horrible.

going back to not being able to sign a FA again is going to suck.

hearing chicago fans going nuts when the chicago PA system plays the big ben chime is really, really going to suck.

watching the pistons, who couldnt grab a rebound last year, is going to really suck.

THE SKY IS FALLING!

Not all of us can be as happy as you about losing an all-star to a hated division rival for nothing.

THE SKY IS FALLING!

Not all of us can be as happy as you about losing an all-star to a hated division rival for nothing.


It'll be even more fun in 2 years when half their young players leave because they can't pay them.

Kilo, I hate that deal. Right now I could live with Magloire, but Delfino really remains one of the only players that could actually improve our roster next season. Magloire is a putrid defender, but would be nice to add without dumping his salary. Besides, I doubt Milwaukee would do that deal now that they have Villanueva and Joe Smith.

THE SKY IS FALLING!

Not all of us can be as happy as you about losing an all-star to a hated division rival for nothing.


It'll be even more fun in 2 years when half their young players leave because they can't pay them.

Can't keep them because the owner is a cheap bastard.

no, it actually fell already. i know you think the pistons losing ben only "stings alittle" and its "ok to be a good team". but ive seen that with the pistons, and it sucks. watching the guys we used to throw around beat the crap out of us is going to be horrible.

going back to not being able to sign a FA again is going to suck.

hearing chicago fans going nuts when the chicago PA system plays the big ben chime is really, really going to suck.

watching the pistons, who couldnt grab a rebound last year, is going to really suck.

Yeah this is a great post. I agree with every word in this. Can I add this?

If Dwayne Wade got that many calls driving the lane against us when we had the DPOY respect thing, how much respect do you think anyone else is going to have in there? Wade will shoot 37 free throws against us in a game next year. Bank it.

To me the Pistons have conceded that their contender days are over with this move. That is why the Hunter signing is even more fucking stupid. We sucked for nearly the entire post season and still came within a game of the finals again. You dont break that up and the Pistons half assed offer sealed our fate for sure. I cant wait to get the players reaction to this shit.

To me the Pistons have conceded that their contender days are over with this move. That is why the Hunter signing is even more fucking stupid. We sucked for nearly the entire post season and still came within a game of the finals again. You dont break that up and the Pistons half assed offer sealed our fate for sure. I cant wait to get the players reaction to this shit.

agree

In the end, look at what Mark Cuban did to keep Terry. 12:01. Phone call, good offer. I honestly believe that if we had done that, we would still have Ben. Unless Joe D has a way to fill this void, we so definitely dropped the ball as hugely as possible on this one.

2 games away from the finals.

Look at free agency so far:

Claxton - way overpaid

Terry - slightly overpaid

Nene - way overpaid (injuries)

Ben Wallace - way overpaid

Peja - slightly overpaid (one dimensional and declining)

Bobby Jackson - way overpaid

Most of our contracts our very reasonable so I think that we can make the trades to be a Championship team again.

In the end, look at what Mark Cuban did to keep Terry. 12:01. Phone call, good offer. I honestly believe that if we had done that, we would still have Ben. Unless Joe D has a way to fill this void, we so definitely dropped the ball as hugely as possible on this one.
agree

Look at free agency so far:

Claxton - way overpaid

Terry - slightly overpaid

Nene - way overpaid (injuries)

Ben Wallace - way overpaid

Peja - slightly overpaid (one dimensional and declining)

Bobby Jackson - way overpaid

Most of our contracts our very reasonable so I think that we can make the trades to be a Championship team again.

i think what that tells you is that you have skewed definition of overpaid.

true, most of the time you sign a guy and then you couldnt give away his contract if you tried (probably is true of ben). but then again, how often is there that diamond in the rough you can sign for cheap?

cap space is worthless if you dont spend it. bringing back ben would have been expensive, but look at the alternative. i dont know what 2 rounds of playoff basketball is worth, but i suspect in the long run, we would have come out ahead.

this sucks. joe should have brought ben back, and then salary dumped sheed now, or next year. that would have made alot more sense.

speaking of sheed, look for him to be a complete loose cannon next year. i figured he would be after this playoff run, but without ben... oh boy.

my point was, half the guys in the league are probably "overpaid". perhaps its not the worst thing in the world.

b-diddy, I am in your camp. I think it is okay to overpay for a player or two, but that player still has to be producing, even if its not worth the cash. In the end, would be have been better off if we didn't use the MLE at all this season and resigned Ben? I am not sure. But I can safely say that Delfino, Hunter, Dice, Johnson/Maxiell, and a LLE player might not have been that hideous.

100% we would be better with ben than whatever player we might sign with the MLE. without question.

that bench would suck, and i dont think that team has much of a chance to get back to the finals. but it'd have a chance. which is alot better than what we're looking at now.

Wallace helped Detroit advance in the playoffs in 2002 -- for the first time since 1991 -- get to the conference finals in 2003, win a title in 2004 and reach the finals last year. The Pistons won an NBA-high and franchise-record 64 games last season, then lost to the eventual champion Miami Heat in the Eastern Conference finals.

During the regular season this past year, he ranked fourth in the NBA in rebounding (11.3), ninth in blocks (2.2) and 10th in steals (1.78) -- the only player among the top 10 in all three categories. The undrafted free agent from Virginia Union became the fifth player in league history to have 100 blocks and 100 steals in six straight seasons, a list that includes Hakeem Olajuwon, Julius Erving, Sam Lacey and David Robinson.

His creds speak for themselves. With him we still had the best team in basketball regardless of the outcome this year.

Since I've already committed a "total rebuild" post I thought I'd be optimistic. It does look like Przybilla is our MLE guy, which will annoy Bonzi fans but face it: Bonzi wasn't coming here for the MLE.

So, here's the line-up:

C: Sheed (Yes, it could happen)
F: Dice
F: Prince
G: Rip
G: Billups

C: Przybilla
F: Maxiell
G: Delfino
G: Hunter

F: Amir
C: Davis
G: Acker
G: Blalock

The top 9 doesn't look all that bad. Przybilla and Hunter bring the D, Delfino can have the green light and Maxiell brings the pain.

If we're lucky Amir can step up and play some SF, otherwise Tay is gonna have to be an Ironman again, but we're not the fucking Hawks, people.

I'm not gonna predict ECF or anything like that, but we're not a fucking Lotto team.

(NOTE: I'd rather blow the whole thing up, though. Having picks, prospects and cap space is better than being a 4-8 seed)

I'd rather have some balls and try to win games this season.

Having picks/prospects is always nice, but DEPENDING on them isn't a good strategy.

Keep the core intact, try to get one more piece that will put us back in title contention, but don't gut the team. We're not even close to that point yet.

Um, if we can't go over the tax we're gonna struggle to add pieces.

I'm not saying give Ben some insane fucking contract, but once (sorry, if) Billups is taken care of we're screwed cap wise for 2 or 3 years.

And all our young guys will be up for extensions after Billups!

Pharoah, you bring up great points. Who knows if we are going to open the bankbook for Chauncey next season. Maybe the key is to rebuild the way others have, by trading our commodities before we lose them outright. I am talking about trading Billups. You can bet the farm that someone next season will offer him near the max, and Joe D has to know this is coming. I have to say that I would definitely think about a CBill - Chris Paul trade, although Charlotte probably wouldn't do it.

Chris Paul plays for New Orleans, but I understand your point.

And no I don't think we need to trade Billups. Stick with what we have + Przybilla. Finally the young guys get to play.

I wanna see Delfino, Maxiell and Amir. I wanna see if Prince can step it up.

Kilo: No way we used the LLE (now BAE) on Hunter.

His deal is for $4,500,000 (is that right?)

That means we used his Bird Rights.

billups could bring a ton bank in return.

atlanta would have been an ideal trading partner, but they traded their picks to the suns.

i got one.

billups to denver for andre miller. the nugs have their own pick and goldenstate's (i believe unprotected). andre has (best i can find) 28 million and 3 years left on his contract.

i dont like andre, but it would avoid the possibility of this happening again next summer, and it could net us a really good draft pick.

Ugh. Andre Miller?

Piston Pete, is that you?

Why don't we just stop panicking and see what the young guys can do without the security blanket? Isn't that what we wanted all these years?

as far as im concerned, joe's already answered 'what now?':



Lindsey's back ...
The Pistons got their first commitment of the free agency period from Lindsey Hunter, who will sign a two-year deal worth about $4.5 million. He can't sign the deal until July 12.

Oh, it gets better for Hunter.

When his contract is up, Hunter will also be given a position within the organization, primarily assisting president of basketball operations, Joe Dumars.

"That's what makes this all really special, an opportunity to work with Joe when my playing days are over," Hunter said. "I'm looking forward to playing, but I'm also looking forward to what lies ahead for me when I'm done playing, too."

Hunter said the Phoenix Suns showed a lot of interest, but his desire was to return to Detroit.

"This is where I wanted to be," Hunter said. "I wasn't real thrilled with the idea of moving my family, so this worked out great."

In all likelihood, Hunter will be Chauncey Billups' backup at the point, with the third point guard possibly being rookie Will Blalock or second-yeard guard Alex Acker, who is a shooting guard who got most of his practice last season primarily at the point guard position.

good job, joe. going 1 for 2 is good in any profession!

LMAO

so we lost Ben, signed Nazr, resigned Lindsey...lost Mo...until now this has been a horrible offseason...MLE used on Nazr, just LLE and minimum left...our only tradestuff is DD, maybe Dice, Catos bird rights and some future picks(2008)...we didnt get a quality backup PG, counting on Lindsey and a rook...we wont get Bonzi, so we didnt get a needed slasher either...i have no idea why we signed Nazr and Lindsey really...in my opinion we can't compete for a title with this team, without Ben...we got worse, didnt improve our bench, our starters got worse...medicority suckz i wanted to rebuild, but Joe signed Nazr and Lindsey...so what now?

b-diddy's deal isn't that bad, if you think about it. Frankly, if we knew that Billups would stay that would be another story. But there are no guarantees even if we offer him the max. And as b-diddy said, he would command a king's ransom right now. If they do have Denver's unprotected first, then a deal of Miller + the first for Billups is not that bad. Remember guys, we are going to have to score a lot more without Ben, and that Billups value will likely go up next season. Honestly, he is not even remotely a slam dunk to stay with us. I love the idea of us having Miller, Rip, Tay, Delfino, and Sheed with at least one high pick, an average one for us and Orlando, and a buttload of cap space to make a run at any of the elite free agents available.

Two things I know now. Bill Davidson is not going to pay the tax, and stars are going to get the advantage in every NBA game. This plan satisfies both, although I know CBill is better than Andre Miller.

thanks bbf.

right now, im saying chauncy is gone next year. im not sure, but im just estimating the salaries that will be on the books next year:

sheed: ~12.5
rip: ~10
tay:~9
dyess:~6 (i dont know, he could opt out... he wont get a better deal, but...)
nazr: ~5
hunter: ~2.5
then we'll have team options on delfino: ~2 million and maxiel ~1, and also a few garbage contracts and perhaps amir would need a bigger one.

thats, by my count 45 million locked in (plus garbage contracts), plus another ~3 million if they want to keep delfino and maxiel. that puts us at 48 million and 8 guys on our roster. lets assume the other 6 slots (maybe we only use 12 roster spots, which i believe is the minimum), you can probably call those garbarge contracts ~3 million.

that puts you at 51 million with 8 bodies, 3-6 guys making the absolute minimum, and ~12 million base to offer chauncy. now, 12 million might not be enough on its own, even if he did want back. never mind the fact that this team would seem to be much worse than last year's team and even less deep.

granted, the tax could go up, but it could also go down. right now, my confidence in this ownership and joe D is at an all time low. i dont know why he sign nazr. that very well could make it a necessity to move sheed in a salary dump.

this is way worse of a summer than i feared.

b-diddy - don't forget to include a salary for the Magic's pick and our own.

figure, orl's pick gets a deal starting at 1.5, our pick gets a deal starting at 1.0. eliminate 2 bottem feeders needed to fill up our roster.

that locks us in at ~50.5 million, plus probably another 1.5-2 million in garbag contracts. BUT, we could actually have some depth. or joe could draft a foreigner and leave him over seas if needed.

anyone know where we can find next year's FA's and teams positioned to have salary cap?

i gotta think if chauncy has a year like last year, he'll price himself out of our range. but obviously, the market will have alot to say about that.

The cap for this season is around $52mil.

Next season it's probably gonna be $54mil

So we'd still have no cap space but this team:

Nazr, Sheed, Dice, Maxiell, Prince, Amir, Rip, Delfino, Hunter, Blalock, Acker plus the 2 firsts.

Billups counts against the cap for 150% of his last salary until we sign his ass (or he bolts)

Roster minimum is 12.

Roster average in the CBA is 13 (league agreed to have an average of 13 players per team, but you don't have to have 13)

The roster maximum is still 15.

Ugh. Andre Miller?

Piston Pete, is that you?

Why don't we just stop panicking and see what the young guys can do without the security blanket? Isn't that what we wanted all these years?
good point. And andre miller is no star and gets no superstar calls. Either way I want to see some youth this year. Seeing them in more minutes helps in deciding how to handle these iffy offseason set ups.

Yeah Miller is pretty much above average and that's it. If we do get the GS pick though, thats another story. That's a legit chance at a star. IF there is anything that Joe D has shown, its that he knows exactly what to do with high draft picks. (joke).

I do agree about the youth. There is no reason not to see what Maxiell, Amir Johnson, and especially Delfino can do now.

What now?

Throw the youngin's into the fire and see what happens.

Last season, mission #1 was HCA. This season, we need to develop the bench to make up for our starting lineup being weaker. I know it might sound over optimistic, but there's a CHANCE that with a stronger bench we can be just as effective or even more effective of a team. We lose Ben's rebounding and defensive tenacity, but we can gain 3-4 rotation players off the bench for 48 minutes of a strong team, instead of just the minutes when the starters are on the floor.

Mission #1 for next season: give Delfino, Maxiell, and Amir to either prove they deserve more minutes/responsibilites or they should be moved for new talent. there's absolutely no reason NOT to play them now.

I like Andre Miller, but he's definitely a step down. <sigh>

What now?

Mission #1 for next season: give Delfino, Maxiell, and Amir to either prove they deserve more minutes/responsibilites or they should be moved for new talent. there's absolutely no reason NOT to play them now.

Yeah, now is the time to play those rookies and Delfino. This isnt tanking the season but just using them more efficiently now we dont have an amazing starting 5.

What now?

Mission #1 for next season: give Delfino, Maxiell, and Amir to either prove they deserve more minutes/responsibilites or they should be moved for new talent. there's absolutely no reason NOT to play them now.
Yeah, now is the time to play those rookies and Delfino. This isnt tanking the season but just using them more efficiently now we dont have an amazing starting 5.
we don't have arguably the best starting five in the NBA, but we've still got among the best starting lineups in the NBA. without looking it up, i'm guessing a top 5 starting five in the NBA. anyways, a lot of good the "best five alive", according to Sheed, did us last season....

I'd rather go 10 deep than 6 deep:

C: Sheed
F: Dice
F: Prince
G: Rip
G: Billups
C: Nazr
F: Maxiell
G: Delfino
G: Hunter

If we add anyone else to our roster and/or Amir can step up and play some we'll be fine.

Back-up PG looks like a serious problem? Acker, Blalock, Hunter and Delfino can cover that. Hell, Prince could handle the duties some of the time.

SF is where we really need help, unless we go big or Rip plays some SF. I'd prefer we sign a SF with the BAE and go from there.

I'm looking forward to the season now. I wanna see the strange line-ups Flip uses and see if the young guys get a lot of minutes.

I'd rather go 10 deep than 6 deep:

C: Sheed
F: Dice
F: Prince
G: Rip
G: Billups
C: Nazr
F: Maxiell
G: Delfino
G: Hunter

If we add anyone else to our roster and/or Amir can step up and play some we'll be fine.

Back-up PG looks like a serious problem? Acker, Blalock, Hunter and Delfino can cover that. Hell, Prince could handle the duties some of the time.

SF is where we really need help, unless we go big or Rip plays some SF. I'd prefer we sign a SF with the BAE and go from there.

I'm looking forward to the season now. I wanna see the strange line-ups Flip uses and see if the young guys get a lot of minutes.

I agree for the most part, it's going to be kind of exciting to be the hunters instead of the hunted. On a related note, I would like to see Lindsey move to a "situational role" as opposed to #2 PG (I felt the same way last year). If that means re-signing Delk, I'm all for that (within reason).

BAE for Delk?

What about Rasual Butler? It seems Utah was high on him, but retained Harpring.

I guess New Orleans doesn't want him, since Peja and Des Mason are there.

Not sure how you could "hate" Tony Delk. What has Tony Delk done to warrant your hatred? He chose to be here, came in, kept his mouth shut, scored the ball off the bench (actually completely re-energized our bench, until the playoffs started and Flip forgot about it), didn't bitch about minutes and hustled all the time as far as I could tell.

I don't think pick #60 is going to be our primary backup PG, nor should he be, maybe I'm wrong, tho...

I hope they at least offer TD the vet's minimum.