GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip(AP) Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh said Friday that Israel's offensive in Gaza _ including the kidnappings of some of his Cabinet ministers _ was part of a premeditated plan to bring down the Hamas-led government.

In his first public comments since the Israeli offensive started, Haniyeh said Palestinian leaders were working hard to end the standoff but implied they would not trade a captive soldier for eight Cabinet ministers and 56 other Hamas officials arrested Thursday. [IN OTHER WORDS, THE GOVERNMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE KIDNAPPING!!!! WTF KIND OF "GOVERNMENT" IS THAT??????]

Also Friday, Palestinian officials said an Israeli airstrike hit a car driving down a main road in Gaza City, and two people were injured. The Israeli army said it was checking the report.

Israel's air force has struck more than 30 targets in Gaza _ including the Palestinian Interior Ministry _ in response to Sunday's kidnapping of Cpl. Gilad Shalit, 19, by Hamas-linked militants. Thousands of Israeli soldiers backed by tanks also have taken up positions in southern Gaza.

Haniyeh said the military offensive was not only about rescuing the soldier but also about crippling Hamas, which won January parliamentary elections.

"This total war is proof of a premeditated plan," he said.

"When they kidnapped the ministers they meant to hijack the government's position, but we say no positions will be hijacked, no governments will fall."

Haniyeh said he was in contact with Arab, Muslim and European leaders to try to resolve the crisis, "but this Israeli military escalation complicates matters and makes it more difficult."

Shalit was captured Sunday when Gaza militants tunneled under the border, attacking an Israeli outpost and killing two other soldiers.

Mohammed Nazal, a Syria-based member of the Hamas politburo, told The Associated Press on Friday that Israel is not serious about negotiating Shalit's release. "Israel is negotiating by fire," he said. "They're buying time until they can locate the soldier through intelligence and then try to free him." [AGAIN, HE'S ADMITTING THAT THE PALESTINIAN GOVERNMENT, NOT SOME CRAZY YAHOO MILITANT, IS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE KIDNAPPING, AND IS HOPING THAT THE PALESTINIAN GOVERNMENT CAN PROFIT OFF A TRADE OF THE KINDAP VICTIM FOR PRISONERS IN JAIL - AND THEY WONDER WHY THEY ARE CALLED A TERRORIST GOVERNMENT - THAT'S WHAT TERRORISTS DO - THEY TAKE HOSTAGES AND TRY TO TRADE THEM FOR THE RELEASE OF PRISONERS!!!]

A few hours before Haniyeh spoke, Israeli jet fighters destroyed the offices of his interior minister in Gaza, intensifying an air invasion while delaying a broad ground offensive.

In the past 24 hours, Israel's air force struck roads, bridges and power plants in Gaza. The army also has fired hundreds of artillery shells.

Palestinian security officials said an Israeli soldier was shot and wounded in clashes near the long-closed airport in southern Gaza. The army said it was investigating that claim.

While thousands of troops are massed along the Israel-Gaza border waiting for the go-ahead for a massive invasion into the crowded coastal area, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak said militants had agreed to Shalit's conditional release, but Israel had not accepted the terms.

Israeli officials said they did not know of such an agreement. But a senior government official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the secrecy of the diplomacy, said the planned ground offensive had been delayed due to Egypt's request that mediators be given a chance to resolve the crisis.

However, other officials denied the delay was due to Egypt, saying it reflected Israel's overall management of the crisis, which they said required both military pressure and withholding force when necessary.

"The prime minister is managing the campaign while seeing all the balances, including the diplomatic one. You need to exhaust all options," said Tzahi Hanegbi, head of the Israeli parliament's foreign affairs and defense committee.

Israeli Defense Minister Amir Peretz called for leaders with influence on the Hamas government to exert immediate pressure on it to release Shalit.
"The quicker this is done the better it will be. If the soldier will be returned and the Qassam (rocket) fire will be halted, we will also return our soldiers to their bases," Peretz was quoted as saying in the Israeli daily Yediot Ahronot.

He was referring to homemade, inaccurate rockets fired at Israel by Palestinian militants.

There has been no sign of life from Shalit since his abduction. The Popular Resistance Committees _ one of the groups holding him _ revealed no information about his condition in a statement Thursday but insisted on swapping him for Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli jails. Israel has rejected that demand.

In the pre-dawn attack on the Interior Ministry, Hamas minister Said Siyam's office went up in flames when a missile struck his fourth-floor room. The ground floor office of Siyam's bodyguard also was destroyed, while the first, second and third floors _ where passports and ID cards are printed _ were left untouched. No casualties were reported.

The Interior Ministry is nominally in charge of the Palestinian security forces, but President Mahmoud Abbas stripped it of much of its authority in a power struggle after Hamas won January parliamentary elections. The Israeli military said it targeted the ministry because it was "a meeting place to plan and direct terror activity."

In a separate strike, three Israeli missiles hit the office of hard-line Interior Ministry official Khaled Abu Hilal, who heads a pro-Hamas militia.

Palestinian police and Hamas militiamen guarding the nearby Foreign Ministry fled immediately after that attack, fearing their building would be next, witnesses said. Haniyeh's office and Abbas' house are less than half-a-mile from the Interior Ministry.

Haniyeh and nearly all his Cabinet members had not been seen since Shalit's kidnapping, fearing they could be killed or arrested.

In an unprecedented punishment Friday, the Israeli Interior Ministry revoked the Jerusalem residency rights of four senior Hamas officials, officials said. The measure takes away their right to live in the holy city and travel within Israel freely.

Decoy convoys have been sent out ahead of any trips by Haniyeh, Siyam and Foreign Minister Mahmoud Zahar, who apparently also fear Israel's air force will target and kill them as it did Hamas leaders Sheik Ahmed Yassin and Abdel Aziz Rantisi in 2004.

On Friday, the army said it attacked a group trying to fire an anti-tank missile at Israeli forces in southern Gaza. Mohammed Abdel Al, 25, of the Islamic Jihad militant group was killed, making him the first casualty in the Israeli offensive.

In the Jebaliya refugee camp in northern Gaza, three Fatah-affiliated gunmen were wounded in what they said was a fight against undercover Israeli forces. Israel denied it had any ground forces in the area.

"The only activity is air and artillery," army spokesman Capt. Jacob Dallal.

Israeli ground troops have entered southern Gaza but have not yet penetrated the north.

The Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed in a Gaza news conference Friday that it had kidnapped a 22-year-old Israeli soldier in Nablus. However, the army said it was unaware of a new abduction.

In another development, Israeli troops exchanged gunfire with militants at a cemetery in the West Bank city of Nablus. Palestinian security officials said one militant was killed, but the army said two militants died.

What a fucking joke.

What's next?

Is the Japanese prime minister, while he's on official government business in the USA, going to kidnap a five year old girl, and threaten to cut her head off unless George W. Bush gives Japan a better trade deal?

Is the canadian prime minister going to launch rockets form Windsor into metro Detroit, until Detroiters agree to let all canadian drunk drivers out of their holding cells?

Sure.

Hamas is a "government".

What's their next official government program?

Drinking the blood of jewish children, while balancing the budget, planning Qassam rocket attacks on elementary schools, improving their infrastructure, kidnapping and beheading israelis, collecting taxes, and then using those taxes to pay the families of suicide bombers, all at the same time?

Sounds like an efficent government to me.

I sense a pro-Israel sentiment here.
Why?
They've been slaughtering each other forever.
No one's hands are clean, AFAICT.

I sense an unjustified moral equivalency here. The fact that the two sides have been at odds for a long time doesn't mean that they're morally equivalent. Hamas is still the bad guy, AFAICT.

It doesn't fucking matter. I'm done with that region.

They've hated each other for generations upon generations. Nothing is going to change. Negotiations are fruitless. Violence begets the need for more violence. Children grow up without parents, then grow into "fighting age" hating the other side for destroying their life... then take their own life in the process, along with about a dozen others who never knew what hit them.

What a piece of shit region. Take it out. Take it ALL out, Col. Kurtz style. People will care for about a year, then realize how peaceful the world has become and no longer give a rat's ass.

To save the tree, one must sever the diseased limb.

I sense an unjustified moral equivalency here. The fact that the two sides have been at odds for a long time doesn't mean that they're morally equivalent. Hamas is still the bad guy, AFAICT.
Hamas is a lot of things, not all of which involve blowing up people. That's why they got elected AFAICT. They could actually deliver humanitarian aid and such without skimming off a fuck-ton of money into their own personal coffers.

I feel a lot of DennyMcLain's sentiments, here.

I sense a pro-Israel sentiment here.
Why?
They've been slaughtering each other forever.
No one's hands are clean, AFAICT.

Quite a simplistic response from someone who usually provides a lot more coherent logic and reasoning to his posts.

I can't help but sense either a gross amount of ignorance on the subject, or a clear anti-Israeli sentiment from you, Mxy, in your ever so cavalier comparison of two such different groups.

Do you think the two sides really are alike, just because, as you correctly pointed out, there's been blood shed on both sides?

How does someone who usually utilizes such sound logic and reasoning simply stop there - of all places - in his analysis of the situation?

Does the fact that both sides have shed blood make both 50% guilty for the problems on the ground?

Do you think the Palestinians, as a whole, understand the difference between terrorism (targeting civilians) and collateral damage (targeting militants and shrapnel hitting a civilian by accident in the process)?

Do you understand the difference?

Do you think the Palestinians, as a whole, recognize the difference between an army and a militia?

Did you know that the State of Israel does not permit jewish militias to kidnap and kill Palestinians, and then hope to profit from it, although the Palestinian government is directly involved in kidnapping and killing of innocent Israeli men, women, and children, and works directly with terrorists and militants, as a team?

Should I go on?

That sucked, Mxy. Really. Not just the unfair comparison, but the lack of any evidence, or even logical discussion, or any effort at all, to back up your claim. It was very unlike you. Does that mean your opinion was based on a personal anti-Israeli sentiment and you felt "nuff said" was enough, or was it merely that since both sides have shed blood, both sides are identical, and you just don't feel like thinking any more, because you have a headache, or want to get away for the 4th of July, or something like that?

He did say that he's on a shitty internet connection this week, lol.


Okay, I'm outta here.

He did say that he's on a shitty internet connection this week, lol.


Okay, I'm outta here.

SYMPATHIZER!!!!!

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Hamas is a lot of things, not all of which involve blowing up people. That's why they got elected AFAICT. They could actually deliver humanitarian aid and such without skimming off a fuck-ton of money into their own personal coffers.

Fatah = terrorism and a long track record of stealing money from themselves. Hamas = terrorism and no track record of stealing from themselves because they weren't in power.

The people voted for the party that supported terrorism but didn't have a track record of stealing from them.

Great choices, huh?


It doesn't fucking matter. I'm done with that region.

They've hated each other for generations upon generations. Nothing is going to change. Negotiations are fruitless. Violence begets the need for more violence. Children grow up without parents, then grow into "fighting age" hating the other side for destroying their life... then take their own life in the process, along with about a dozen others who never knew what hit them.

What a piece of shit region. Take it out. Take it ALL out, Col. Kurtz style. People will care for about a year, then realize how peaceful the world has become and no longer give a rat's ass.

To save the tree, one must sever the diseased limb.



I feel a lot of DennyMcLain's sentiments, here.

The lumping-people-together-simply-because-its-easier-to-stereotype-than-think sentiments?

Yeah.

I agree with you, Mxy and Denny.

Black people really are stupid.

We should just kill them all and the world would be smarter.

Next, we can move on to the smelly mexicans.

Black people really are stupid.

We should just kill them all and the world would be smarter.

Next, we can move on to the smelly mexicans.



And with that, Taymelo took a one week vacation from WTF, and was stripped of his Syndicate status, for clear violations of our race policy, at a time in which he was on notice that such conduct would not be tolerated.

We have very few rules, and permit a lot of things, including swearing and good-natured insults - especially in the Terrordome. But what Taymelo did was not one of the things we permit - and our policy is pretty damn clear about that.

Hopefully when he comes back he'll have a better understanding of the rules.

Apparently Denny doesn't get them.

(although I believe I sense sarcasm)

Black people really are stupid.

We should just kill them all and the world would be smarter.

Next, we can move on to the smelly mexicans.



And with that, Taymelo took a one week vacation from WTF, and was stripped of his Syndicate status, for clear violations of our race policy, at a time in which he was on notice that such conduct would not be tolerated.

We have very few rules, and permit a lot of things, including swearing and good-natured insults - especially in the Terrordome. But what Taymelo did was not one of the things we permit - and our policy is pretty damn clear about that.

Hopefully when he comes back he'll have a better understanding of the rules.


Yes!!!!

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Fuck a hamas.
Iserial has been causing trouble forever.
Fuck em both.

BTW:

Have you been to Israel, Denny?

Do you know any Israelis?

Do you think you're qualified to state that they just all hate Palestinians and want to kill them?

That statement is evidence of your ignorance on the subject.

Israelis are not indoctrinated to hate Palestinians the way Palestinians are indoctrinated to hate Israelis.

Israel doesn't have for its official government charter the destruction of Palestinians.

Israel doesn't teach its children to hate Palestinians in its official government school books.

Israel doesn't pay goverment funds to the families of jews who blow themselves up in front of schoolbuses full of children.

WTF are you talking about here?

EDIT:

I spent a month in Israel and I can tell you they are exactly like you and me, with the exception that their friendly canadian and mexican neighbors are neither friendly, nor canadian, nor mexican, if you know what I mean.

Its actually pretty crazy to sit on the beach, and look around you, and see a different country that wants to destroy you, on all sides, all throughout the horizon.

You got balls dude. I dont agree with your politics, well most of them, but i'll give you that. Lots of my family members went to Lebanon last year, and we were flippin out. Big ups to you.

BTW:

Have you been to Israel, Denny?

Do you know any Israelis?

Do you think you're qualified to state that they just all hate Palestinians and want to kill them?

That statement is evidence of your ignorance on the subject.

Israelis are not indoctrinated to hate Palestinians the way Palestinians are indoctrinated to hate Israelis.

Israel doesn't have for its official government charter the destruction of Palestinians.

Israel doesn't teach its children to hate Palestinians in its official government school books.

Israel doesn't pay goverment funds to the families of jews who blow themselves up in front of schoolbuses full of children.

WTF are you talking about here?

EDIT:

I spent a month in Israel and I can tell you they are exactly like you and me, with the exception that their friendly canadian and mexican neighbors are neither friendly, nor canadian, nor mexican, if you know what I mean.

Its actually pretty crazy to sit on the beach, and look around you, and see a different country that wants to destroy you, on all sides, all throughout the horizon.

Don't pull a slick Willie. Stay on topic, which is you calling blacks stupid, and calling Mexicans smelly.

Both clear violations of WTF's race policy.

Were you joking?

Well, so was Anthony.

So was Steve.

This has nothing to do with Israelis.

Or the State of Palestine.

This has everything to do with words.

You called blacks stupid, and Mexicans smelly.

And that's as racially vulgar as Anthony's play on words which earned him a one week banishment and modship removal.

Really, I'm serious. If the Syndicate is taking the kind of zero tolerance approah it seems to be instituting, then what are we going to do about YOUR comments?

Remember, Anthony was kidding, too.

I suggest you re-instate Anthony's mod status, or punish yourself. Either way, it's the least you can do.

Sincerely,
DM

I am done with the petty Bullshit. I am done with the racism and I am done with ignorance period. I am locking this thread and any subsequent thread that utters a racial slur. I will not tolerate it, I will not stand by and let this site be torn down by ignorance.

BTW:

Have you been to Israel, Denny?

Do you know any Israelis?

Do you think you're qualified to state that they just all hate Palestinians and want to kill them?

That statement is evidence of your ignorance on the subject.

Israelis are not indoctrinated to hate Palestinians the way Palestinians are indoctrinated to hate Israelis.

Israel doesn't have for its official government charter the destruction of Palestinians.

Israel doesn't teach its children to hate Palestinians in its official government school books.

Israel doesn't pay goverment funds to the families of jews who blow themselves up in front of schoolbuses full of children.

WTF are you talking about here?

EDIT:

I spent a month in Israel and I can tell you they are exactly like you and me, with the exception that their friendly canadian and mexican neighbors are neither friendly, nor canadian, nor mexican, if you know what I mean.

Its actually pretty crazy to sit on the beach, and look around you, and see a different country that wants to destroy you, on all sides, all throughout the horizon.

Don't pull a slick Willie. Stay on topic, which is you calling blacks stupid, and calling Mexicans smelly.

Both clear violations of WTF's race policy.

Were you joking?

Well, so was Anthony.

So was Steve.

This has nothing to do with Israelis.

Or the State of Palestine.

This has everything to do with words.

You called blacks stupid, and Mexicans smelly.

And that's as racially vulgar as Anthony's play on words which earned him a one week banishment and modship removal.

Really, I'm serious. If the Syndicate is taking the kind of zero tolerance approah it seems to be instituting, then what are we going to do about YOUR comments?

Remember, Anthony was kidding, too.

I suggest you re-instate Anthony's mod status, or punish yourself. Either way, it's the least you can do.

Sincerely,
DM

Denny:

So you're not kidding?

You really are that fucking dumb?

I mean, I never pegged you as Einstein, but you really ARE dumb enough NOT to know the difference between a white person getting angry at a black person and insulting him with racial stereotypes to get back at him, and a person (me) CALLING YOU A RACIST by showing different examples of what YOU said (lets blow up all the people in the middle east, is the same as lets lynch all the black people. I was calling YOU out for being a racist, you dumb fuck, not making racist comments myself.

Shit, if anyone should be suspended or banned, Denny, it should be you, for your stereotyping and prejudice against anything and/or anyone anywhere near the middle east. In fact, at this point, you should get a perma-ban just on stupidity alone.

PS: Read the race policy if you still don't get it, Denny. Although I sense you DO get it, and are just being the typical contrarian windbag we all know you love to be.

This has everything to do with words.

LMFAO.

No, dumbfuck.

It has everything to do with context, not words.

Black is a word. Do I violate the race policy by saying I'm wearing a black tuxedo tomorrow night?

I know you aren't this stupid, Denny. I know you're just being a contrarian, but quite frankly, I'm getting sick of it.

If you, or anyone else here is too damn stupid to understand WTF's rules, please feel free go away and spend your time frequenting a message board with a race policy you can better understand.

And if you do understand the rules, but are too much of a prick to leave well enough alone and simply enjoy whipping up Anthony and Steve to NEVER give up their claims of persecution and move on for the betterment of the board, then that's another good reason to go away and leave the rest of us at WTF alone.

Either way, you aren't helping anyone or anything but your own sense of joy at starting trouble amongst WTF's posters.