This thread is for those who are now convinced that the Pistons CANNOT win another title as presently constructed, in the "new NBA", in which one superstar player is given so much leeway from the officials, he can literally carry a bunch of average players (and big old Shaq) past a solid team and to an NBA title.

We saw it coming with LeBron.

We wondered if ANYONE could get more calls than he got in seven games against the Pistons.

We saw how a team with one superstar and a ho hum supporting cast can challenge a team filled with solid talent, simply by isolating, driving, and letting the refs do the rest.

We saw how one man can beat five if the refs won't let you touch him, because it changes the entire face of the game. If you man up on him on the perimeter, its a foul on the jumpshot and a chance at a 3 point play. If you back off, its a gimme jumper. If he drives and you guard him, its a foul even if you don't even touch him. If he drives and you don't guard him, its an easy dunk or layup. Either way, that one man is going to beat your entire team, when the refs are through with you, and he's going to sell a lot of Sprite in the process.

But we still thought the Pistons' team first approach could overcome it.

We sighed relief that we were done with LeBron and the phantom calls, the no-calls, the bad calls, and the ridiculous calls, and we all claimed that Wade would not get the same calls - he wasn't as marketed by the NBA as LeBron, and we all thought he would get LESS calls than LeBron, so the Pistons would be OK.

Well. We should all now know, after the Detroit/Miami series and after the Dallas (LOADED with talent - perhaps even more than Detroit) series, that in order to win a championship in this era, you need a superstar who the refs will allow to take over a game.

I propose we bring in a 3, and move Tay to the bench. The question is who is available? Bonzi Wells can slash and score, but he doesn't sell Sprite for shit, and therefore won't get the calls that Wade does.

Is there anyone we can trade for that has a Sprite contract? Grant Hill, perhaps?

Or do we need a younger guy, who the NBA (and refs) want to build around for years to come?

Any names come to mind?

i suspect this thread is atleast slightly tongue in cheek, but if theres one guy coming in that fits the bill, its adam morrison. not a fan of his, but enough people allegedly think he's worthy of a #1, and he'll have definite advertising appeal. from the sound of it, the pick is up for grabs.

yikes, what a horrible thought. if the likes of adam morrison start dominating this league, i'll be quickly finding a new sport to follow.

Didn't we light up some white guy with Morrison's 'stache as some kind of human victory cigar a couple years back?

besides skin color, what other similarity do you see between darko and morrison. lol, i cant imagine 2 more different players. especially on this board, where everyone thinks that darko is a complete pussy.

In this draft I don't think anyone has that type of game/likeability/coverage.

Maybe Brandon Roy.

Of all the years, this is not the year that we want to trade for a pick. Yes anyone could fall, but no sure bets either. Besides, to get a pick like that, it would cost us either Billups or Prince. That's a big gamble.

besides skin color, what other similarity do you see between darko and morrison. lol,
they both love jumpshots and play inconsistent defense

Ginobli? Slasher and I guess hes liked but want nothing to do with him.

Maybe we could develop Josh Smith and Childress in a S&T with Ben?

There is NO ONE we could get for Rasheed Wallace (or possibly even Ben Wallace) in a trade that could get the calls Wade and Lebron get.

So what are you gonna do? Throw up your hands and quit?

Sell off our vets for picks and expiring contracts and rebuild?

Fuck that shit!

Oh, sorry - this thread isn't for me.

But before I go here's one name for your "new era" (lol) NBA:

Ben Gordon

There is NO ONE we could get for Rasheed Wallace (or possibly even Ben Wallace) in a trade that could get the calls Wade and Lebron get.

So what are you gonna do? Throw up your hands and quit?

Sell off our vets for picks and expiring contracts and rebuild?

Fuck that shit!

Oh, sorry - this thread isn't for me.

But before I go here's one name for your "new era" (lol) NBA:

Ben Gordon

Hmmmm.

How about Ray Allen? Too old?

How do you propose we get Ray Allen?

Seattle would probably love to take Richard Hamilton and Antonio McDyess.

They might even give us #10 in the deal as well!

WOW - lucky us.

At #10 we can Draft Patrick O'Bryant.

POB, Mad Max, Amir, Evans, Delfino and a FA would make an awesome bench

Let's do it!

Sold!

LMAO

Post padder!!! (says the hypocrite)

There is NO ONE we could get for Rasheed Wallace (or possibly even Ben Wallace) in a trade that could get the calls Wade and Lebron get.

So what are you gonna do? Throw up your hands and quit?

Sell off our vets for picks and expiring contracts and rebuild?

Fuck that shit!

Oh, sorry - this thread isn't for me.

But before I go here's one name for your "new era" (lol) NBA:

Ben Gordon

Hmmmm.

How about Ray Allen? Too old?

Just plain too expensive.

KG or bust

KG really is the only one that we could pull off, but the price would be ridiculously high. Probably Sheed, Prince, and our Orlando pick would get it done. That's a ton. If we did that, we still might be able to pull off Harrington or Wells with the MLE. I guess I could live with Chauncey, Rip, Harrington, KG, and Ben as the starting 5, but we would still have only Delfino and Dice off the bench. Backup PG would be weak, and we really have to beef that up.
I sure would like to keep Prince though.

Sheed, Davis, Evans, Amir + Orlando pick + our 2007 pick + their 2nd rounder for KG?

Us:

Ben, KG, Prince, Rip, Billups

With Dice, Delfino, MLE G, plus a big with the BAE (formerly LLE)

Maxiell, Hunter or Delk for the vet minimum, Acker and #60 round out the bench

Them:

Blount + Davis (expiring)
Sheed + Griffin + Madsen
Davis + Amir
Hassell + Evans (McCants injured)
Banks + Jaric + Hudson

Plus Minny would add the #6 pick and their second rounders

Sheed, Davis, Evans, Amir + Orlando pick + our 2007 pick + their 2nd rounder for KG?


Man, that hurts but I'd still do it. How odd is it that the part that hurts the most about that IMO is Amir?

You are posting some solid stuff P, keep it up.

(also, if you keep this up, by next month you'll have yourself convinced that ORL will be a playoff team)

How does that hurt? Its pretty much KG for Sheed straight up as the other 3 don't (or shouldn't) play.

How does that hurt? Its pretty much KG for Sheed straight up as the other 3 don't (or shouldn't) play.


IMO:

Without Sheed, Davis becomes valuable (to us at least).

I suppose it's possible that I'm too high on Amir, but based on what I have seen with my own eyes (not hype), it would take something like a KG package to part with him if I had any say in the matter.

I'm not as high on the ORL pick as many here are, but some are grasping on to this "high lottery" concept for that, so that would definitely bring the pain later too if it were to to come to pass.

Throw in two more picks and we won't be adding many drafted players for a while.

Oh, and Sheed does have some value too, on top of all that.

GD - nothing will convince me Orlando is a playoff team next season.

Nothing!

And that trade I proposed is the most I could think of without actually parting with quality

Amir and Sheed and the Magic pick isn't enough salary, which is why Davis is included. Evans is included because I fucking hate him and because I hate him so damn much I threw in an extra first and their second!

The Wolves basically get 2 prospects (Amir/Orlando are gonna be good, the other 2 picks are ?) plus 2 short contracts (Davis and Evans) plus Sheed.

Sheed would likely feel the need to play well for a season and a bit, which would mean the Wolves would only have to put up with half a season of bullshit before he becomes a massive expiring deal.

All round it's not a bad deal for them, but they should be able to get more (like #16, Chandler + Deng or Gordon)