http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060611/SPORTS03/606110652/1051


The Pistons hold only the final pick in the June 28 draft -- that would be No. 60 overall -- but don't think they aren't picking up frequent flier miles trying to find a gem.

Pistons vice president John Hammond and the entire scouting staff spent much of last week in Orlando, checking out the predraft camp at Disney's Wide World of Sports.

The camp was filled with plenty of second-rounders hoping to play their way into the first round -- or onto the draft board, period.

"Our pick," Hammond said, "was realistically playing right in front of us."

But having the 60th pick is in some ways more work than having, say, the fifth overall.

"If you have the fifth pick, you can narrow it down to one of three or four guys," Hammond said. "We have like 25 guys, maybe more, and plus what happens is guys slip, freefalls occur."

That's what happened last draft, when high school forward Amir Johnson was available at No. 56. The Pistons happily snatched him and predict he could be a steal of that draft down the road.

They also are keen on guard Alex Acker, taken 60th last year.

Late picks are more valuable than they used to be, because teams can assign them to the NBDL for further development, while holding onto their rights. A late pick also could be used for a foreign player, who could stay overseas to develop with a high-level league and with his national team.

"We took two players last year -- a 56 and a 60 -- that we think are both keepers," Hammond said. "But that doesn't always happen."

By Krista "I love WTFDetroit.com" Jahnke

Any thoughts on actual players that'd be worth it that would very likely be undrafted otherwise?

James White?

Very atheltic and obviously can fly

Daniel Horton

Mateen Cleaves

i've been saying james white. but i might change my tune to 'who cares'.

if the draft is even in the top ten of joe's "to do list", i'd be pretty pissed.

Go the Glyniadakis/Spurs route. Draft a young international player and leave them overseas while holding their rights. If they become something within a few years, you sign them and play them when they're needed. If they don't, you don't waste a roster spot or their rookie contract watching them sit on the pine.

My suggestions: Ali Traore, Sidiki Sidebe, etc

Go the Glyniadakis/Spurs route. Draft a young international player and leave them overseas while holding their rights. If they become something within a few years, you sign them and play them when they're needed. If they don't, you don't waste a roster spot or their rookie contract watching them sit on the pine.

My suggestions: Ali Traore, Sidiki Sidebe, etc
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Sun Ming Ming = Shaq Stopper?

7'9" 350 with no game, but damn is that big. Leave him in some other league for or the NBDL for a few years to condition, learn basketball.

Don't think he'd actually be worth it, but damn is he huge.

I bet you hed be the weakest fuck alive but hes 350 pounds...

Sun Ming Ming was in last year's draft and no one took him so he can't be eligible for the draft again.

Go the Glyniadakis/Spurs route. Draft a young international player and leave them overseas while holding their rights. If they become something within a few years, you sign them and play them when they're needed. If they don't, you don't waste a roster spot or their rookie contract watching them sit on the pine.

My suggestions: Ali Traore, Sidiki Sidebe, etc [smilie=iagree.gif]

didn't we already try that w/ whats-his-face?

not saying we shouldn't do it again, of course.

This from:

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1341


The Detroit Pistons could be looking to move up higher into the second round in order to land a legit backup point guard. They will conduct a big point guard only workout on Thursday featuring Jose Juan Barea, Mustafa Shakur, Dwayne Mitchell, Will Blalock, and Walker Russell. A 2nd round pick that is reportedly for sale is Seattle’s, slated 40th overall. The Sonics would use that money to hire another assistant coach for next year, as they reportedly do not have the budget at this time to do so considering how much money the ownership there has lost over the past few years.

The Pistons were reportedly initially hoping to draft Ukrainian big man Kyrylo Fesenko late in the 2nd round, and asked his agent to “hide” him overseas with a 2nd round promise so no one else catches wind of him. Fesenko smartened up, though, and decided to make his way over to the States to work out for NBA teams, which likely nullifies his promise by Detroit. He reportedly measured out as a legit 7-footer in one private workout, but still looks like he has a long ways to go skill wise. He has an NBA body with long arms and great raw core strength. From the tapes we’ve acquired, it’s quite obvious that he is very athletic for a player his size, European or not. His quickness is especially impressive, as he's both nimble with his feet but also runs the floor extremely well. His leaping ability is just average, though. The impressive numbers he put up early on in the season in the Ukrainian first division before moving to a new team seem to be in spite of the little coaching he’s received, not because of it. His footwork, post moves, and go-to moves around the basket all need serious work, as does his overall feel for the game. He's also not a great rebounder, and his defense is terrible any way you slice it. Fesenko’s really getting by solely on the fact that he's very athletic, plays hard, and is that much bigger than anyone else. He doesn't shy away from contact and definitely has some fight in him. The best NBA comparison for him would be Mehmet Okur, but he is very far from making a similar impact. His best bet would be to pull out of the draft, go to a better league, and enter the draft again either next year or the year after, as he’s only a 1986 born prospect. Should he stay in, it wouldn’t be a surprise to see him drafted somewhere in the 2nd round, as his buyout is reportedly affordable. He wanted to play at the Eurocamp in Treviso, but requested to be added to the camp roster too late and was turned down.

draft me draft me!!!! lol

sun has a brain tumor too, probably not the best idea. i say go for mustafa shakur just based on his name. realistically i have no idea, i dont follow euro leagues or deep enough in college to be familiar with anyone dropping to the 60th pick. seattle is pretty sad though, dont have the money for an assistant coach. id say go for a euro big man and develop him but, well, you know. should be slightly interesting nonetheless. if anyone has any video or has seen the play of anyone mentioned, please enlighten me.

Fesenko amuses Bucks with antics

By ANTHONY WITRADO
Posted: June 16, 2006

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=436499

St. Francis - There were times when the Cousins Center looked more like the stage at the world famous Laugh Factory - with National Basketball Association draft prospect Kyrylo Fesenko as the headliner.

The Milwaukee Bucks brought in Fesenko, a 19-year-old, 6-foot-11 Ukrainian, along with three others Thursday as the team prepares for its 39th overall pick in the June 28 draft. North Carolina State's Cameron Bennerman, Minnesota's Vincent Grier and the University of Denver's Yemi Nicholson were the other prospects.

But none of them had the coaching staff throwing their heads back in laughter way Fesenko did.

About halfway through the 70-minute workout, Bucks assistant coach Brian James told the players he wanted them to "put the ball on the floor," meaning take a dribble before shooting. Fesenko was first up, and after taking a pass near the baseline, he softly set the ball on the court and walked away looking puzzled as if to say, "Why did you want me to do that?"

After pausing to take in what happened, the coaches, including head coach Terry Stott and Dave Babcock, the Bucks' director of player personnel, broke into laughter.

"Well, he's coachable," James said as another coach explained to Fesenko what the jargon meant. "He did exactly what I told him to do."

Fesenko smiled about it but did not seem to think it was as amusing.

"I just don't understand," he said in rough English. "He told me to put it down. I don't know what it means."

The last drill of the workout was a two-on-two, full-court game. When it was announced that the next team to score won, Fesenko, who was taking out the ball under the far baseline, threw it off Grier's backside, hopped back inbounds and raced down for the dunk.

The other players, including teammate Bennerman, watched in confusion. The coaches threw up their hands, laughed again and counted the point as Fesenko walked back as if nothing was unusual.

It capped a workout in which Fesenko snapped at Bennerman to get him the ball, talked back to a coach after a defensive breakdown and semi-pouted missing shots or making mistakes.

"You should have picked him up at the airport," Babcock said, in an if-you-think-that's-funny tone. "He's a character - in a good way."

Babcock made it clear that Fesenko was the player the team was most interested in since its need is a power forward or athletic swingman.

"He is definitely draftable," Babcock said. "(I like) his size and skill level. He has quick feet for his size."

Fesenko wasn't pleased with his workout. He wanted to play more on the perimeter, like one of his heroes, Dirk Nowitzki. He also knew he didn't turn any heads with his defense.

"I'm not glad about it," he said. "I didn't get at least one block and I was bad on defense. I'm better outside."

As for the other not-as-tall, not-as-funny players, Babcock said the team will likely pass. The Bucks will draft by best player available, not position. Even though Bennerman had a solid workout and Grier looked very good in the two-on-two drills, neither will be selected by the team, according to Babcock.

Nicholson, a 6-10 center, dominated Fesenko offensively at times.

"Yemi did a good job," Babcock said. "He's a good player, but he probably won't be for us at 39."

The Bucks will work out four more players today, including Boise State guard Coby Karl, son of former Bucks coach George Karl.





Jesus he's already sulking and crying about how he's being used in a workout. Ugh. Just another soft, no D playing whiny piece of Euro trash. LOL @ Joe promising to draft this loser. Another super scout special. Just fire Ronzone already.

http://img.timeinc.net/time/covers/1101041011/images/nextscout.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~wrathofdiddy/conartists.jpg

Kweerlo Festinko strikes again!

LMAO!

nbadraft.net has Eric Hicks going to Detroit. Hicks went to Cincinnati and is basically Maxiell, just an inch shorter.

Do we need another Maxiell? I haven't checked the Orlando pre-Draft measurements but would be surprised if Hicks has a 7-foot wingspan and a huge standing reach.

If he is the BPA at #60 we should Draft him though, because at that point it doesn't really matter what position they play. It's the last fucking pick - what do you expect to get?

http://www.nbadraft.net/2006campmeasurements002.asp

So can someone explain to me about the benchpress one. Is it just ranked who can do the most?

Alrridge did poor but David Noel did the best.

Dwayne Mitchell has the highest vertical while some cat named Yemi Nicholson had the lowest.

Rodney Carney is the fastest at the 3/4 court sprint while Aaron Gray is the slowest.

The benchpress one is # of reps.
A "25" means 25 reps of 185 lbs.

Does anyone have these measurements for last year's draft picks (JMax, Acker, Amir)?

Kenny Adeleke did it 26 times FWIW

Daniel Horton tested well, which is a good thing. He'll probably be available when we pick.

Then again, whoever we pick ain't gonna play.

nbadraft.net has Eric Hicks going to Detroit. Hicks went to Cincinnati and is basically Maxiell, just an inch shorter.

holy shit hes 6'6....very undersized

The benchpress one is # of reps.
A "25" means 25 reps of 185 lbs.

Does anyone have these measurements for last year's draft picks (JMax, Acker, Amir)?


I see.

I cant find last years measurements at all. tried google check and looked through nbadraft.net

I dont even see Daniel hortons name in mock drafts so i bet we could pick him up.

Although this draft is weak, I think we should trade up. The jazz have 2 2nd round picks, as do the soncis as well.

Minny has 3 seconds too.

Horton's rank in the link you provided was 4th.

I meant like mock draft.

Mo evans for Minny's 36 and 57?

Wow..mo isnt worth shit to us anymore...

hi guys. my first post here- i'm trying to navigate my way around this very unfamiliar but highly recommended board.

anyway, a guy i really like for the #60 pick if he's there is will blaylock from ISU.

as others have said, it's hard to expect much (or anything!) from the #60 pick. but if he's there he'd be a real sleeper. the kid is a great athlete and has a lot of talent. if he can refine his jumpshot he could eventually be a player in the league- perhaps similar to mo williams.

i obviously like james white a ton as he's a phenomenal athlete and improving all around player. he never lived up to his hype coming out of HS but he has developed into a decent james posey type of player, but with less range on his jumper and MUCH more athleticism.

so i think he's worth a look in the 2nd. but i think someone will snatch him up before #60.

The part I don't get is -- if you're picking dead last, why would you pick a college kid as opposed to stashing a Euro? The only risk is that the college picked at #60 turns out to be good enough where you'd have to fight for him, which doesn't seem likely in this year's draft. (Last year was a special case because of the high schoolers.)

Just in case the college kid is freaking athletic or has upside...at 60...

The part I don't get is -- if you're picking dead last, why would you pick a college kid as opposed to stashing a Euro?

Given this franchises record drafting Euro's why would you even bother scouting ferners?

Did you get that Memo about the TPS reports?

Oooooooooooh so we're 1-5 or 1-6 on drafting ferners. Superb.

IMO, the jury's still out on those 3 foreigners we drafted in 2003:

- Delfino was off to a great start in 2004 until his knee blew out.
- Darko unfortunately found some semblance of game in Orlando.
- Glyniadakis, that big we gave up on, was the NBDL Finals MVP.

I don't think our chances of finding a diamond in the rough are any worse by looking at Euro talent vs. domestic, and given the way the rules work, I just don't see why we fuck with domestic as the very last draft pick. Oh well...

Keydren Clark.

Oooooooooooh so we're 1-5 or 1-6 on drafting ferners. Superb.

And we're 0-for-what drafting guys out of college late in the 2nd round?

Give me a break, in our current state, it would be ridiculous to draft a player that has to come to the team immediately with a crappy pick like that. They aren't going to play for a good 2+ years, and by then their contract will be up and they'll be heading to another team. It's a waste. Just hold a players rights and bring them over when they're ready to make an immediate impact.

delfino and darko will be good players.

memo was a HUGE steal late in round 2.

the draft itself is a crapshoot. i think we've had good success with europeans.

however, i think we have to take the BPA with our pick. that player is not going to be ready to contribute anyway, but at least now we have the 15 man roster which allows us to stash him and send him to the NBDL if whoever we pick shows they're worthhy of developing and keeping.

it's just as likely though that our #60 pick might not even be worth keeping; it all depends on how the draft plays out and who we get in FA/trades.

I dont mind who we draft as long as it is the BPA so we can give the kid a chance in the NBDL anyways.

For those that were waiting for Shakur to drop to 60, wait til next year as he Gray and elliot will stay for their senior year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2006/news/story?id=2490379

Kenny Adeleke has a workout today (Monday) with the Pistons. Just a heads up. For those that don't know, he's a "Ben Wallace, Reggie Evans, Charles Oakley" type 6-7 / 250 hardwork, rebound guy.

http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1355 - Draftexpress.com is reporting that Tiago Splitter and Rudy Fernandez have withdrawn from this year's NBA Draft, while other international players like Sergio Rodriguez, Oleksiy Pecherov, Saer Sene and Kosta Perovic will remain in the draft.

Other big names to withdraw as reported earlier are: Aaron Afflalo (UCLA), Nick Fazekas (Nevada), Mustafa Shakur (Arizona), Richard Roby (Colorado) and Aaron Gray (Pittsburgh).

Better for us for next year

Adeleke apparently played very well in the Orlando camp, so I doubt he's available at #60.

If he is and we can grab him then sure, draft him - another forward to try and develop for the future along with Maxiell and Johnson.

I'd rather trade Dale Davis, Maurice Evans or Carlos Delfino and the Orlando pick to move into the Lottery. Doubt it could be done but some team must believe that Orlando isn't going to make the playoffs next season.

Anyway, here's some deals that work under the CBA:

Davis, Evans + Orl = Marko Jaric + #6 (also works with Troy Hudson instead of Jaric, but Jaric's contract is longer)

Davis, Evans + Orl = Scalabrine, Dickau + #7

Davis, Evans + Orl = Stromile Swift + #8

Davis, Evans + Orl = Bob Sura, Ryan Bowen + #8

Davis, Evans + Orl = Derek Fisher + #9

Davis, Evans + Orl = Danny Fortson + #10

Davis, Evans + Orl = Moochie Norris + #12

Without using the Orlando pick:

Davis + Delfino to Utah for Giricek + #14

As I stated above, I doubt any of these could happen, but it's something to pass the time. This is the first year I can't get into the Draft. Sure it's not as good as usual, but I think us having no first rounder killed it completely for me.

The moochie norris trade could happen because they got 2 lottery picks anyways. since jr smith is on the trading block, they could use another swingman,,,i guess.

Well, the only reason to do any of those trades is to get Brandon Roy or Randy Foye.

If we can't get one of those guys then I wouldn't do the deal.

I would happily trade Mo Evans for a steaming pile of shit, though the pile doesn't absolutely have to be steaming. A regular pile of shit would be enough

How about Julius Hodge for Evans?

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060623/SPORTS0102/606230327/1127


Pistons work out 16 draft prospects over four days

Team's director of player personnel says it's unlikely Detroit will make a trade to move into first round.

Chris McCosky / The Detroit News

Guard DeAndre Haynes, who played at Detroit Southwestern and Kent State, got a look from the Pistons on Thursday. See full image

AUBURN HILLS -- For a team with one pick -- the 60th and last -- in Wednesday's NBA draft, the Pistons have had a busy week.

They brought in 16 players for workouts over the last four days.

There have been reports the Pistons were looking to move up in the draft, potentially as high as No. 40. Pistons director of player personnel Scott Perry said it was "possible" something could happen on draft day, but he highly doubted the Pistons would look to trade into the first round.

The Pistons feel like they already have a first-round type prospect in Amir Johnson, whom they drafted in 2005 and stashed on their inactive list most of last season.

Plus, of all the players the Pistons have looked at (24 in all), none would be considered a first-round prospect.

Here's the rundown:

# Thursday, the Pistons took a look at four players -- C.J. Watson, a 6-2 guard and a four-year starter at Tennessee; DeAndre Haynes, a 6-foot-2 guard from Detroit Southwestern who was the Mid-American Conference player of the year for Kent State; Denham Brown, a 6-6 swingman who was a four-year player at Connecticut; and J.R. Pinnock, a 6-5 swing player from George Washington.

# Wednesday, the Pistons looked at Nik Caner-Medley, a 6-8 forward who played four years at Maryland; Tarence Kinsey, a 6-6 shooting guard who played four years at South Carolina; Viktor Keirou, a 6-6 shooting guard from Russia; and Yotam Halperin, a 6-5 guard from Slovenia.

# Tuesday, the Pistons looked at Nick George, a 6-6 forward from Virginia Commonwealth; Jeff Horner, a 6-3 guard from Iowa; Brendan Winters, a 6-5 guard from Davidson and the son of former NBA coach Brian Winters; and Vincent Grier, a 6-5 guard from Minnesota.

# And Monday, the Pistons brought in Justin Williams, a 6-10 forward from Wyoming; Kenny Adeleke, a 6-8 forward from Hartford; Louis Amundson, a 6-9 forward from UNLV; and Wojciech Barycz, a 6-10 forward from Poland.

Previously, the Pistons had looked at several guards: Jose Juan Barea from Northeastern, Daniel Horton from Michigan, Mustafa Shakur from Arizona, Dwayne Mitchell from Lousiana-Lafayette and Will Blalock from Iowa State.

The Pistons also took a look at 7-foot Ukrainian center Kyrylo Fesenko.

Denham Brown in the only guy from the first workout I've even heard of.

Nik Caner-Medley, Viktor Keirou and Yotam Halperin I've heard of (DX has Halperin going in the middle of the second round)

I haven't heard of any of those guys in the Tuesday workout

And Wednesday's looks like the best with Justin Williams, Kenny Adeleke and Louis Amundson (heard of them 3)

I guess it's no surprise we worked out Daniel Horton. I am surprised we worked out Jose Juan Barea though. He's projected in the middle of the second round. So is Will Blalock.

And thank the Lord everyone found out about the Ronzone special (Kyrylo Fesenko). I don't think we need another foreigner, unless Joe wants another guy to waste away on the bench.

Splitter is a vagina, and so is rudy, neither of them will ever have the same value as they had 3 years ago. I don't get it.

The Pistons will be drafting higher than 60, it a feeling I have. However I think they will go the european storage route if we only draft 60.

And thank the Lord everyone found out about the Ronzone special (Kyrylo Fesenko). I don't think we need another foreigner, unless Joe wants another guy to waste away on the bench.

Yea, we need to get an American player so they can actually play like Maxiell, Amir, and Acker.... oh wait...

Fesenko would be far from my first choice, but we're better off stashing someone overseas and holding their rights than drafting a college player that we have to stash on the inactive list for 2 years before letting them walk. No sense in wasting their time or our roster spot on a player that won't play anyways. If they turn into something a couple years down the road, great.

Um, I actually meant that we didn't need to Draft the Euro and have him waste away on the bench.

I've got no problem with Drafting a Euro and leaving him overseas. Of course I think that's a good idea.

It is also possible we Draft an American player and send them to Europe (like Rickey Paulding). If they ever develop we can bring them back.

Um, I actually meant that we didn't need to Draft the Euro and have him waste away on the bench.

I've got no problem with Drafting a Euro and leaving him overseas. Of course I think that's a good idea.
oh ok. Well, that's not how it came across here...


I don't think we need another foreigner, unless Joe wants another guy to waste away on the bench.


It is also possible we Draft an American player and send them to Europe (like Rickey Paulding). If they ever develop we can bring them back.

True, but you're asking a lot out of a 2nd round pick to move overseas and play for some random team, and maybe you'll bring them over later. Seems kind of harsh.

IMO anything after the #6 pick is not worth giving up the Orl pick... next year a lot of those guys would be lucky to make the 1st round...
let's hang on to that pick unless you can get a proven young talent.

5 names for the pick:

Curtis Stinson
Pops Mensah-Bonsu
Eric Fiegi
Lior Eliahu
Steven Smith

Gotta have my Pops

If they don't take a Euro, Tony Ronzone should be fired immediately IMO (maybe he should be anyways).

If you are ever going to take a guy that is a "find" that you can stash overseas for a few years, it's at #60.

5 names for the pick:

Curtis Stinson
Pops Mensah-Bonsu
Eric Fiegi
Lior Eliahu
Steven Smith

If Pops is there, we better take him. He is a talented, athletic big, undersized officially, but he is big and strong, and isn't a complete joke on the floor.

Allen Ray is the guy I could see us getting, too.

Allen Ray WILL NOT drop to 60. He is a good shooting guard who may develop into a Ben Gordon type of player. If he drops to number 60...eh who am I kidding, he wont.

Allen Ray WILL NOT drop to 60. He is a good shooting guard who may develop into a Ben Gordon type of player. If he drops to number 60...eh who am I kidding, he wont.

Many mocks are projecting him at the bottom end of the 2nd, or undrafted.

I agree with you on that assessment, maybe not quite that good, but many of the same characteristics, so I don't understand this, but if he's there, I definitely want us to take him.

RE: Who do we draft at #60?

Would have been a good idea for a contest.

We could have offered a really nice prize, since nobody would win.

A weekend stay at Taymelo's house? (with or without the family, your choice)

Pic of the wife?

Pic of the wife?

Which one?

A Night at Taymelo's? Sounds like a really bad horror movie.

Back on Topic:

Allen Ray is projected as a very late second rounder/undrafted, but as I was informed last Draft by the "experts" here projections mean squat.

After all, who would have thought of taking someone with a higher ceiling with our pick, instead of Mad Max? It's not like Monta Ellis is gonna be any good any time soon.

In our situation we should take the guy that has the most potential. If the guy becomes a bust? Big deal - it's a late pick so it's expected.

If he becomes a player? Lucky us!

Of course we went with potential in 2003 (3 times)

Instead of Bosh, Josh Howard and Marquis Daniels (at 60!) we got Darko, Delfino and Andreas the Greek Giant.

Pic of the wife?
Which one?

That' right! He's a damn polygamist isn't he?

A Night at Taymelo's

http://www.reelfilm.com/images/weekbern.jpg

The dead man walking would be Taymelo.

IMO anything after the #6 pick is not worth giving up the Orl pick... next year a lot of those guys would be lucky to make the 1st round...
let's hang on to that pick unless you can get a proven young talent.


I agree in part but I think if we could dump a roster spot or two with the Orl pick for rotation guy and a pick I would do it. For example if Seattle wanted DD, Evans and the Orl pick for Fortson or Watson and their pick I would do it. I think there is value in the draft.

I think the Orlando pick whether it is 10 or 17 next season defintely has more value than the 7 pick this year but if you can get a guys to play now you need to pull the trigger. For one the team is getting older secondly we can't act like Ben is back. Joe needs to be aggressive if the opportunity is there.

A Night at Taymelo's? Sounds like a really bad horror movie.

Back on Topic:

Allen Ray is projected as a very late second rounder/undrafted, but as I was informed last Draft by the "experts" here projections mean squat.

After all, who would have thought of taking someone with a higher ceiling with our pick, instead of Mad Max? It's not like Monta Ellis is gonna be any good any time soon.

In our situation we should take the guy that has the most potential. If the guy becomes a bust? Big deal - it's a late pick so it's expected.

If he becomes a player? Lucky us!

Of course we went with potential in 2003 (3 times)

Instead of Bosh, Josh Howard and Marquis Daniels (at 60!) we got Darko, Delfino and Andreas the Greek Giant.
man people won't let 2003 go. never realizing the value of the learning experience, that was reflected in our picks last year. 2 out of the 3 are keepers, And i fully expect mad max to set the all time nba ft attempts record in just 5 minutes of action per game next year. Seriously though, joe D admitted he was learning how to find the right guys for us, and before he had to depend on his staff more. These days he's depending on his own judgement. I expect us to get 1 more hardworking gritty player and maybe gamble on a shooter.

I guess since it was a learning exp, we should give him a pass, I mean having a bench us overated and it's not like we could have gotten a contributor in the draft.

I am sorry but it hard to overlook the lack of talent on the bench as a result of Joe mental lapse and failure to work out anybody but Darko or explore the solid trade offers.

Gutz: Of all the things to comment on in my post you chose the 2003 shit.

So move along, little one.

How about we talk about the shit that was thrown my way when I disagreed with the selection of Maxiell in the first round last Draft Day?

Almost every fucker on here had a dig at me for even suggesting we shouldn't have taken Maxiell "so high". Mock Draft projections mean shit, I was told. I was told guys like CJ Miles, Monta Ellis and dudes like them didn't come with "Piston DNA"

Fuck that bullshit!

With our situation in 2003 (2004 don't count) and 2005 you should swing for the fences.

Fuck role players. On a championship contender you rely on veterans, not rookies. Draft for the upside.

That's why we drafted Darko and not Bosh
That's why we drafted Delfino and not Howard
Daniels? No one wanted him.

Taking Maxiell was the safe pick. Joe had swung and missed 3 times (remember Rodney White?) or 4 if you include Cleaves.

So there was no way he was swinging for the fences again.

Does it kill us now? Of course not.

But if Monta Ellis ever becomes a star player and Maxiell is merely a role player then it will hurt.

And I guarantee all the fuckers that were trashing me on Draft Day 2005 will be trashing Joe, wondering why he didn't draft Ellis.

Bunch of fucking turncoats.

And let the record show I didn't want Prince, either.

And let the record show I posted about a Stackhouse/Rip trade 3 months before it happened.

And let the record show I pimped Mo Evans when everyone said he was too small and we shouldn't sign him

(um, scratch that one)

Gutz: Of all the things to comment on in my post you chose the 2003 shit.

So move along, little one.
you think because you're the tallest cat here you can drop the little one angle on me? [smilie=bullshit.gi: ...I hope you hit your head on the top of a doorway you tall bastard!~lol~

Pharoah=http://www.homestead.com/anakin_sky/news_ep3_wookie01.jpg

Everyone else=http://humorix.nu/bilder/bilder/cigaretter/yoda.gif

but i did agree with everything else you said. thats the reason i only chose 2003. :cool: [smilie=running.gif]

that's a cool shot of Yoda, little big man.

Where did you find it?

(see that? as my opinion of you rises so does your height!)

random google search on the yoda pic. has been circulating for a few years though.

i wonder who'd win a fight between morpheus and Jules from Pulp Fiction. Or would they both exchange violent yet peaceful philosophies on life while sipping green tea with firearms on their waists free for the public to see..

POPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Andrivicus Macijauskis from Europe. The report is he has a 45" vertical leap, and he's white. Scary.

Andrivicus Macijauskis from Europe. The report is he has a 45" vertical leap, and he's white. Scary.

Could you imagin if he was black!

He would no doubt be even scarier. White men can't jump!

Hey hey hey, thats very offensive.

but really, thats like a 90'' if that man is black.

I know how bout Will Blalock. ;)