Trade Rumors/Ideas [Archive]

Cross

06-11-2006, 02:32 AM

Hughes could be dealt?

Journal Times - One rumor that was circulating at the pre-draft camp was that Danny Ferry and the Cavaliers may shop guard Larry Hughes this summer.

Hughes was signed to a monster deal last summer by Cleveland, but was injured for a large portion of the 2005-2006 campaign.

Jamaal Magloire might be dealt by draft day

Journal Times - Gery Woeful was told by members of 10 different teams that had interest in acquiring Jamaal Magloire.

“There was quite a bit of dialogue,’’ Larry Harris said with a grin.

The prevailing opinion among those interviewed was that a deal involving Magloire would likely be finalized by the draft.

Now Brevin Knights turn

Charlotte Observer - Both the Toronto Raptors and Portland Trail Blazers , amongst other teams, have been talking with Charlotte Bobcats ' coach-general manager Bernie Bickerstaff about point guard Brevin Knight at the Orlando Pre-Draft Camp, the Charlotte Observer is reporting.

"There's a lot of interest in Brevin," Bickerstaff told the Observer on Thursday. "Most of the conversation includes him.''

Knight is considered expendable with the emergence of last season's lottery pick Raymond Felton.

"If I'm going to play just a little bit of minutes, I'd rather be on a playoff team," Knight said during the season. "So if (the situation) changes, we'd address that."

Bickerstaff did say that Knight will be able to have some input on any trade, but will not be given the power to veto a deal should one arise.

"He doesn't have veto power," Bickerstaff said. "But I wouldn't just throw him in a situation that wouldn't be right for his skills."

Cross

06-11-2006, 11:44 AM

Who wants to see Jerm and Bosh together?

Boston Herald - The Pacers reportedly have discussed a trade with Toronto that would send Jermaine O’Neal to the Raptors for a package that would include the No. 1 pick.

The Pacers, according to Mark Murphy, would likely take Adam Morrison.

Indiana may also be talking with the Timberwolves about a Jamaal Tinsley-for-Ricky Davis deal.

detroitsportscity

06-11-2006, 12:31 PM

Zack Randolf would help our scoring inside but I'm not sure about his D. Teaming him and sheed as defensive big men might not be a good idea...but our O would certainly improve.

As long as Bonzi is healthy, I'd go for it.

I'm going to ask Bobby Jackson if he'd consider Detroit the next time I see him. Not that I'd get the truth, but it'd be interesting to see what he says.

I've seen(on RealGM unfortunately) some stuff involving a 3 way with Houston and Portland for Randolph and either #30 or Jack for Sheed.

Ben + Randolph = maybe

Sheed + Randolph = disaster waiting to happen

Atticus771

06-12-2006, 12:33 PM

I get the impression that most of us are okay with moving Ben or Sheed if the trade is right. That's definitely the boat I'm in. I didn't see any of the Miami series because I was traveling in Europe, but it sounds like both are tradeable.

Just a few thoughts:

1. If we trade Ben, it seems like we almost have to bring in another defensive-minded center, but also someone who can put the ball in the hole. If we're seeking a solely offensive center in a S&T for Ben, I think we're crazy. But finding the player to strike the balance is probably impossible.

2. Trading Rasheed is far easier to accommodate. He's damaged goods, but he does a lot of things that most other PFs not Nowitzki can do: can post up, has speed, gives Duncan fits, and stretches that defense with (usually) good three-point shooting. We do need a PF with a banger's mentality, but I think losing Sheed hurts our offensive fluidity from this year. Opposing PFs wouldn't have to float outside to guard Sheed, and instead would have the option of clogging up the lane and hampering Rip's game coming off curls.

I guess the thing I'm really getting at is this: trading either one of these guys will probably force us into changing our gameplan a bit. The only scenario in which we wouldn't have to do so is if the guy(s) we get in return are very similar to Ben or Sheed, in which case a trade seems unneccesary. The point is: a trade seems to be more a risk than anything else. Are we willing to take the huge risk, or is it better to stay the course and make a trade at the All-Star Break, if neccessary?

mercury

06-12-2006, 02:22 PM

One minor detail.... Joe says he's keeping the big 6 together... we might want to keep the trade talk to our scrubs for now.

Varsity

06-12-2006, 02:37 PM

One minor detail.... Joe says he's keeping the big 6 together... we might want to keep the trade talk to our scrubs for now.

Joe has always said that, but the starters are no longer untouchable. He also says he'll pay for Ben, but he won't overpay. So there is still a possibility that he has to move on.

Glenn

06-12-2006, 02:44 PM

Glenn

06-12-2006, 03:03 PM

What could we get for a DD/Evans package? Not much I'm afraid.

Just playing around but...

Brian Skinner POR (expiring deal)- Would Portland want DD back for leadership purposes? Skinner's nothing to write home about, but he can defend/bang and score a little.

Derek Fisher GSW- Would be a salary dump for GSW, and a huge contract for the Pistons to take on. Solid player, horrible contract.

Shane Battier MEM- If we throw in the ORL pick? Hmmm.

Chris Mihm LAL- He does have some limited post game, very limited.

Stro Swift HOU- Would Houston want to cut bait on him?

Rafer Alston HOU- Not really what we need (more jumpshots) but if we want a backup PG you could do worse. Lockerroom cancer.

Eduardo Najera DEN- If they get rid of Martin, they may want to keep Eddie, but they could use DD too.

Brevin Knight/Alan Anderson CHA- might need to add a pick, maybe not

Dan Gadzuric MIL- He's got some skills, but a horrible contract.

Jerome James NYK- Horrible contract.

Hedo Turkoglu ORL- Decent player, can get to the rim. Probably overpaid tho, he's on a long term deal too.

Mo Pete TOR- expiring deal

Brendan Haywood WAS- Someone else here mentioned him already. 4 years left on his deal is tough to swallow. Antonio Daniels is another option.

Uncle Mxy

06-12-2006, 10:48 PM

Jerome James NYK- Horrible contract.
Horrible player. Keep that fuck away from the Pistons!

mercury

06-13-2006, 12:59 AM

One minor detail.... Joe says he's keeping the big 6 together... we might want to keep the trade talk to our scrubs for now.

But I don't think that anyone believes that Joe can add the "2 significant contributors" that he has talked about by simply trading our bench garbage. One with the MLE? Sure. But who is going to give us a top 8 rotation player for Mo Evans?

That being said, Dale Davis should have some value with his expiring deal and his fresher than expected legs, but we'd have to acquire a backup center either for DD or with the MLE.

What could we get for a DD/Evans package? Not much I'm afraid.

I dunno we got Sheed for our scrubs (albeit some nice contracts)

Prolly depends on what time of the year... in February D.D.'s 3.5M off the books might look pretty good to a team that wants more than the MLE the following year.

If Joe picks up a 5 with part of the MLE he'll be tipping his hand for a move of Davis.... gotta get that security blanket first.

06-13-2006, 03:00 AM

In all honesty I think the future of the offseason rests on the outcome of the Finals. What I mean by that is if Dallas is the prototype and figuring a team like PHX will be close behind with a healthy roster competing to be have the title of team to beat and match up with , a serious overhaul may be needed to keep up on the part of contenders from this year. Dallas and PHX are deep, neither has the best starting five but can go 8-10 deep, so if you need to add 2 more contributors to keep up we may need to lose a starter to make that happen.

Hell I wouldn't be surprised to see Shaq moved so Miami can keep up, so if that is possible, I wouldn't doubt seeing any of the starters not Chauncey moved.

gusman

06-13-2006, 11:00 AM

I wonder how long it will be before the garnett to detroit rumors really start to fly? I love listening to sports radio when a good rumor is being discussed.

Matt

06-13-2006, 04:32 PM

I wonder how long it will be before the garnett to detroit rumors really start to fly? I love listening to sports radio when a good rumor is being discussed.

i was listening last week when a caller suggested Ben in a sign and trade for Elton Brand. i proceeded to turn the radio off. they need to screen garbage like that.

Matt

06-13-2006, 05:41 PM

good points, JS. i really do think that Joe D is looking at the future of the NBA as having a team that does go 8+ deep into their bench.

Cross

06-14-2006, 06:29 AM

Elton for Ben straight up? fuck that

Uncle Mxy

06-14-2006, 10:07 AM

I'd take Brand for Ben, straight up, if the Clips were insane enough to trade him.

Matt

06-14-2006, 10:09 AM

I'd take Brand for Ben, straight up, if the Clips were insane enough to trade him.

lol, exactly. why in the world would the clippers do that??

i'd do the deal and rip the phone out of the wall, so they couldn't call to take the trade back when they sobered up....

Pharaoh

06-14-2006, 11:57 AM

OK, here's some ideas (you decide if they're good or bad)

Davis and Evans + Orlando pick to Charlotte for Knight and a future first (obviously with some type of protection)

Davis and Evans + Orlando pick to Denver for Boykins + Buckner

Davis, Evans + Orlando pick to GSW for Fisher and #9

Davis + Evans + Orlando pick to Houston for Sura + Ryan Bowen and #8

Davis + Evans + Orlando pick to Minnesota for Marcus Banks (S&T) + #6

Davis + Evans + Orlando pick to New Orleans for JR Smith + Moochie Norris + #15

Evans + Orlando pick to New York for Nate + #20

Davis + Evans + Orlando pick to Philadelphia for Andre Iguodala + Steven Hunter

Davis + 2007 Detroit pick to Portland for Juan Dixon + #30 (after the draft)

Evans to the Lakers for Von Wafer + #26 (after the draft)

Davis and Evans to Sacramento for Bonzi Wells (S&T)

Davis + Evans to Sacramento for Vitaly Potapenko, Jason Hart + #19

Sheed + Evans to New York for Taylor, Frye and Nate (+ #20?)

Davis, Evans + Orlando pick to Seattle for Earl Watson + #10

Davis + Evans + Orlando pick to Toronto for Mike James (S&T)

Davis + Evans to Toronto for Joey Graham

Davis + Evans to Washington for Jared Jeffries (S&T)

Davis + Evans + Orlando pick to Utah for Matt Harpring (S&T)

Davis + Evans + Orlando pick to Utah for Gordon Giricek, CJ Miles and #14

Davis + Evans to Washington for #18, Jarvis Hayes and Calvin Booth (after the Draft)

I'll leave the Ben trades and the rest of the Sheed trades for another day.

If you want me to even attempt to explain any of these just ask but the main idea is to dump Evans so Delfino will play PLUS get either a young decent player through the Draft or a veteran that can help our bench.

The Orlando pick's value is all up to you. If you think the Magic will make the playoffs in 2007 then it's probably not worth much. If you think they won't make the playoffs then the pick is a lot more valuable.

Pharaoh

06-14-2006, 12:05 PM

I wonder if Pistol Pete is over on RGM talking trash right now about his Ben for Brand trade ideas?

For those that don't know Pistol Pete used to get killed for even suggesting that Joe move Ben!

Now? 2 years has really changed a lot of things.

Glenn

06-14-2006, 02:20 PM

Nice work.

detroitsportscity

06-14-2006, 03:41 PM

Davis and Evans + Orlando pick to Charlotte for Knight and a future first (obviously with some type of protection)

Maybe, on each side. They need a SG/SF and vets, and we need a PG, but the 1st's could be a stopping point. What if it was our normal 1st, and no return pick?
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Davis and Evans + Orlando pick to Denver for Boykins + Buckner

I'd say no from the Pistons point of view. Take out the Orlando pick, and OK, but then Denver wouldn't do it.
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Davis, Evans + Orlando pick to GSW for Fisher and #9

This is actually a pretty decent idea. They would probably want a Delfino/Pietrus swap too though, with the improved play of the Magic towards the end. Really depends on their evaluation of the Magic.
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Davis + Evans + Orlando pick to Houston for Sura + Ryan Bowen and #8

Depends on the evaluation of Orlando, IMO.
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Davis + Evans + Orlando pick to Minnesota for Marcus Banks (S&T) + #6

Minny says fuck off, 'Fino and Davis they might think about it, but probably not.
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Davis + Evans + Orlando pick to New Orleans for JR Smith + Moochie Norris + #15

Meh, doesn't really help us, Fino and JR would just fight for minutes, and we wouldn't gain any depth. Also, we would burn the Orlando pick too easy IMO.
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Evans + Orlando pick to New York for Nate + #20

Not an NRob fan, so I turn it down, but that's just me.
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Davis + Evans + Orlando pick to Philadelphia for Andre Iguodala + Steven Hunter

Philly would laugh and hang up, IMO. To get AI2 we would have to give up a Wallace, IMO.
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Davis + 2007 Detroit pick to Portland for Juan Dixon + #30 (after the draft)

Interesting, would prefer an actual PG, but interesting.
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Evans to the Lakers for Von Wafer + #26 (after the draft)

Don't think that they would give up 26 for Evans, but that's just me.
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Davis and Evans to Sacramento for Bonzi Wells (S&T)

Evans + Davis is what, 5-6 mil, + 20% = 6-7 mil, less than I see Bonzi signing for, if Bonzi was deciding MLE or that though, I could see it.
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Davis + Evans to Sacramento for Vitaly Potapenko, Jason Hart + #19

Don't see 19 coming that easy.
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Sheed + Evans to New York for Taylor, Frye and Nate (+ #20?)

Could work.
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Davis, Evans + Orlando pick to Seattle for Earl Watson + #10

Deal, if they'll do that. Not sure Seattle's opinion.
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Davis + Evans + Orlando pick to Toronto for Mike James (S&T)

I say no, plus James wants to start.
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Davis + Evans to Toronto for Joey Graham

We'd probably have to add a pick or something, but sure.
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Davis + Evans to Washington for Jared Jeffries (S&T)

could happen.
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Davis + Evans + Orlando pick to Utah for Matt Harpring (S&T)

Fuck No, I don't want Harp as a FA, let alone giving up the Orlando pick.
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Davis + Evans + Orlando pick to Utah for Gordon Giricek, CJ Miles and #14

Could be realistic, not sure how excited I'd be about it.
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Davis + Evans to Washington for #18, Jarvis Hayes and Calvin Booth (after the Draft)

Decent, could see it.
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I'll leave the Ben trades and the rest of the Sheed trades for another day.

If you want me to even attempt to explain any of these just ask but the main idea is to dump Evans so Delfino will play PLUS get either a young decent player through the Draft or a veteran that can help our bench.

The Orlando pick's value is all up to you. If you think the Magic will make the playoffs in 2007 then it's probably not worth much. If you think they won't make the playoffs then the pick is a lot more valuable.[/QUOTE]

douche

06-14-2006, 06:40 PM

Jermaine O'Neal may be available for trade.

detroitsportscity

06-14-2006, 07:45 PM

O'Neal will never be a Piston, so don't worry about that.

Agree on Brand, take him so fast that LA can't even think about thinking about changing their minds.

Then trade Sheed for a C(Dalembert?)

Cross

06-14-2006, 11:06 PM

DraftExpress.com - According to Jonathan Givony of DraftExpress.com, Phil Jackson believes Brandon Roy is the perfect player for the triangle offense and so the Lakers are talking with teams in the top 5 about trading up.

One rumor has them sending Lamar Odom to Chicago in return for the rights to the #2 and #16 picks.

This trade might have to be consummated after the draft, when Chicago has cap space to take on a bigger contract. Moving Odom’s $40 million contract would give the Lakers room to explore the talented free agent class of 2007. This may be where the obvious Brandon Roy to Chicago at #2 smokescreen started from

Odom may be done as a Laker...but thats highly doubtful.

Kstat

06-14-2006, 11:44 PM

I wouldnt take dalembert for free. As worthless as he is, his contract makes him even worse.

BIG BEN'S FRO

06-15-2006, 01:22 AM

Only Isaiah would be dumb enough to do that trade with the Knicks. If that trade ever happened, I am not sure if we would win a championship, but it would be a world class fleecing again. The only bad part is that we would still have nothing resembling a post game.

Of all these trades, the two best are the Juan Dixon trade and the Bonzi one. Neither requires us to lose the pick, and more importantly, add to our current roster to keep us competitive.

Consider this one, we trade Delfino for Dixon straight up. The tough part would be trading the Orlando pick and Dale for Haywood and Washington's first either this season or next (our choice). Lastly, we sign Bonzi to the Full MLE with a team option after 4 years.
All of these trades are in the oppositions favor IMO, but finally land us our starting 5, Dixon at backup combo guard, Bonzi at the 2/3, Dice at PF, and Haywood at C. We would still have all our rooks and Wash's pick.

Cross

06-15-2006, 01:24 AM

I dont think hes worthless...

He can block shots and grab boards. I say hes a younger version of Ben only not as developed.

Taymelo

06-15-2006, 06:05 AM

I dont think hes worthless...

He can block shots and grab boards. I say hes a younger version of Ben only not as developed.

He's a younger version of Ben... just without the heart, desire, will, determination, and competitive nature to ever be anything other than average at best.

Also, he's a lot taller than Ben, and basically rebounds fall into his lap without him even having to jump.

So really, he has NOTHING in common with Ben, except they are both african-americans who play basketball.

EDIT: They're both black.

How's that?

I don't even know why I posted "african americans". I call african americans "black people" and caucasians "white people". I blame this on it being so early in the morning.

Glenn

06-15-2006, 06:24 AM

So really, he has NOTHING in common with Ben, except they are both african-americans who play basketball.

When did "The Haitian Sensation" become a Yank?

Cross

06-15-2006, 06:37 AM

Pharaoh

06-15-2006, 12:29 PM

BBF - does Delfino for Dixon work under the CBA?

Does Davis for Haywood work under the CBA (picks have no $ value)?

DSC - surprised you went through them, but it's appreciated.

All those work under the cap and yes several suck (I went through them after I posted them and eliminated many)

It's a shame we're even discussing this shit. The fucking Finals are on and I have to put up with more Wade = MJ bullshit.

BIG BEN'S FRO

06-15-2006, 04:35 PM

FP22

06-15-2006, 07:53 PM

I want no part of Dixon. He's just another Tony Delk. We might as well re-sign Tony if we want a chucker combo-guard who Flip will play in a position for him to get abused on D by bigger guards.

We need a legit PG who can reasonably run an offense and push the ball (Speedy, Banks, Cassell, etc), and/or a real SG/SF scorer (Bonzi is the only guy I'm really interested in to be honest).

BIG BEN'S FRO

06-15-2006, 09:34 PM

Cassell? We are talking guys who are actually available here. Claxton or Banks I could at least stomach, but there is no way that Sam I am's ego will let him come off the bench. Certainly not after this season. I definitely like Banks, but only at part of the MLE. Minnesota will try very hard to keep him. I do like him as an addition though.

FP22

06-15-2006, 09:52 PM

Cassell? We are talking guys who are actually available here. Claxton or Banks I could at least stomach, but there is no way that Sam I am's ego will let him come off the bench.

Well, I think it would be just as much about money as it would be about starting. But Sam's far from young. He's like 36-37. I'm sure he realizes that less minutes might be a good thing to have him going strong for a playoff run. And I know he'd like to go out on a good note (a ring or two). Not to mention he'd be playing behind Chauncey. That's totally different than coming off the bench behind a guy like Shaun Livingston.

If he'd be willing to come here I would be absolutely thrilled. Wherever his "ego" goes, wins seem to follow. Rockets... 2 Titles in his 1st two years, nuff said. Wolves... Their only year past 1st round was the year Sam came over. They sucked the next year when he wasn't healthy. Clippers... EC Semi's in his first year, nuff said.

Pharaoh

06-15-2006, 10:18 PM

Delfino makes around $1,000,000. Dixon is getting around $3,000,000

The numbers don't work, which is why I used Davis.

Anyway, on to other players:

Cassell is unlikely IMO. He'll have plenty of options and the money will be the same everywhere. I think he goes to a good climate and/or title contender.

If he wants to start he'll probably be able to stay in LA and sign with the Lakers. And there's always the possibility that the Clippers retain him.

Banks? Sure, why not? We should offer him the full MLE! There is very little chance of Minny matching that, when you consider the money they're paying Hudson and Jaric.

Exactly how much money do they want to spend at PG?

Claxton? If he doesn't want to start and still get the full MLE then I'm all for signing him. I do think he'll have a lot of options, more than Banks.

Bottom Line this off-season:

Move Evans to open playing time for Delfino and hope to get a contributor back in that deal

Use the MLE on a back-up PG.

We really fucked up last off-season splitting the MLE. We should have used our position as title contenders better. Then we didn't get a contributor from Orlando in the Darko trade, so we missed 2 golden chances to add to our "weak bench"

detroitsportscity

06-15-2006, 11:35 PM

Pharoah, it should work with Delf for Dixon, we may have to throw in Evans and cash to balance it out. But yeah basically we could make it work.

The Wade - Kobe - MJ comparisons often make me want to vomit more than anything in the playoffs. That and when Shaq runs down the floor like Fatoine used to.

In the end, the most conservative approach Joe D could do would be packaging Dale, Evans, and possibly Maxiell for the best he can. That is roughly 5-6 mill to work with, and then he can use the MLE as well. I can't say that I would be upset if we traded them for Harrington, and used the MLE on Bonzi. We would still need a backup PG, but I guess Delk could be it for a season.

That would just give us 2 SF's, in addition to Delfino, not really solving our problem.

Trade for 1 of our PG, SG/SF, and big problems, and also get a reasonably high pick(include the Orlando one if we have to), or another guy I guess, and get the other with the MLE.

If the return is good enough, don't get the pick, and just stick with Fino, but to get that return we would probably have to trade him too.

This would be hard if we don't give up one of our starters, but what about this:

Sign Bonzi with the MLE
Trade Mo, Acker, Davis, the Orlando pick for Earl Watson and #9(Seattle)

Draft one of the PF's that is the one strong part of this draft. Or make it Wilcox(switch Mo and Fino :( too), and take a PG such as Williams, Brewer, or Rondo.

If we wanted to break up the front line, something like Sheed and change for Dalembert and #13, and Ben for an offensive PF(Harrington w/ Childress, SAR + Bonzi + change, Randolph + Jack, Wilcox + #9 + Watson, or something) would be a good solution, Philly, New York, and Houston seem like the most appealling options for Sheed, 2 being his favorites, and also 2 being veteran 'win now' teams that could use him.

Rambling here, but there are A LOT of options in moving are bigs, if it should come to that.

One thing that worries me is the thought of Bonzi and Sheed back together, too JailBlazer-ish to me.

detroitsportscity

06-15-2006, 11:41 PM

Kstat

06-16-2006, 12:55 AM

I think that Dalembert is a younger Ben.

Rebounds, blocks, and put back dunks are his plus's, just like Ben.

The advantages he has are height, age, and in a way, athleticism.

Disadvantages are polish(scary) and work ethic/desire.

He does seem to care(admittedly most of the time I've watched him was in the playoff series that we've had with them) if not with the same edge as Ben.

If Ben is leaving he would be a good return, though I would want more to go with him.

If his weakness is his work ethic, then the comparison dies. DO not pass go, do not collect $200.

It's a horrible comparison. I can name 50 athletic big men that can block shots and score on tip-ins. There's a reason why there's only one Ben Wallace.

Not to mention he'll make $52 million over the next 5 years.

No way Joe D is that stupid with his money.

Cross

06-16-2006, 01:07 AM

FP22

06-16-2006, 04:02 AM

I don't think his weakness is work ethic. I think it's IQ. He's just not that smart at all aspects of the game.

detroitsportscity

06-16-2006, 08:28 AM

Trade Mo, Acker, Davis, the Orlando pick for Earl Watson and #9(Seattle)

Thats alot for Watson and the #9 imo. Either take out the pick or atleast replace it with our pick and then take out acker.

If we were to break up the frontcourt, with no doubt would we go after someone with a post game. The options detroit sports city has mentioned are ok but take out Randolph.

LIke Pharoah had mentioned, if we were to trade with sac, i would like to receive Jason Hart in return.

With Orlando's performance at the end of this year, I believe that the Orlando pick is expected to be in the 7-15 range next year, and also, that with it being next year it has a value of around 15-20.

So Acker and Evans are being traded to move up, and Davis for Watson, essentially.

That might be too much for you, but the overall fairness is there, IMO. What about switching Davis with a Cato S+T?

Glenn

06-16-2006, 09:06 AM

http://www.nypost.com/sports/no_way_jermaines_on_the_block_sports_peter_vecsey. htm

NO WAY JERMAINE'S ON THE BLOCK

By PETER VECSEY

June 16, 2006 -- MIAMI - If you read a quote by a named Pacers official or an unnamed source denying Jermaine O'Neal is being shopped, do not fall for it. Too many reliable fountains of information claim the All-Star forward is definitely available for a team's best big player, or an elite draft pick and the team's second best player.

Do not bank on the Raptors to relinquish their pick of the litter for O'Neal. In fact, don't bank on any of the top four draft picks to be traded with Texas center LaMarcus Aldridge rapidly emerging as the favorite to go No. 1, overall.

As long as I'm disregarding reports, obliterate the one that contends the Raptors are considering swapping coveted duo Charlie Villanueva and Mo Peterson for Jamal Magloire and Mo Williams. The only way Toronto takes Magloire in any deal remotely resembling that one is if the Bucks substitute T.J. Ford for Mo.

Tell you something else to discount totally that's being floated out there by wastes of space. Wizard owner Abe Pollin, back to work after a month or so of poor health, is not holding off on extending Eddie Jordan's contract in order to pounce on Larry Brown when (not if) the Knicks finally cut the umbilical cord. Washington is very pleased with how Jordan has guided the team to two straight postseasons and has every intention of retaining him past next season.

Jordan, by the way, isn't the only rising lame duck coach. Also in that position are Mike Dunleavy, Mike Fratello, Rick Carlisle, Sam Mitchell, Bob Hill, Bernie Bickerstaff, Byron Scott and George Karl, who's down for one more year, at which time Denver has a three-year option.

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Column contributor Joe Belfiore feels it was a little tacky of commissioner David Stern to join the Heat crowd behind the basket and wave those pom-poms when the Mavericks' Dirk Nowitzki admittedly "short-armed" his Game 3-deciding free throw.

As mentioned previously, I cast my MVP vote for Dirk. Evidently, I think he can play a little bit. At the same time, ABC's color (uncoordinated) studio analyst Mark Jackson should have his mouth washed out with German chocolate cake for stating Dirk is better than Larry Bird. Not only would Bird have the layup that would've tied the game, underlines column contributor Kevin Heller, "he would've slipped on a blindfold and drained the winning free throw."

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The Nuggets are prepared to trade any player on their roster exempting Carmelo Anthony. Any team can have Kenyon Martin essentially for nothing, no joke, if you classify $71 million over the next five seasons nothing . . . Orlando is looking to obtain an established off guard in case it loses DeShawn Stevenson to free agency.

With the Hawks' ownership seemingly in question, it figures to be difficult for GM Billy Knight to make a command decision such as the possible acquisition of Allen Iverson, who'd be an instant gravitational pull in the stands. He's exactly what the incredibly athletic Hawks need to improve dramatically in the standings as well. Naturally, Marvin Williams or Josh Smith would have to part of any exchange program.

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Look for Timberwolves GM Jim Stack, a Pacers assistant under Isiah Thomas, to assume a lot of the same duties in New York when Brown leaves and the team president takes over as coach . . . The agent for Mr. Miami, "I'll sacrifice-everything-to-win-a-title-as-long-as-I'm-well-compensated-for-it," has been alerting teams client Alonzo Mourning is about to become a free agent. Shocking that ABC's hard-hitting Game 3 halftime feature on the Organ Groaner never mentioned anything like that.

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The Lakers are looking at Kwame Brown exclusively as a center, meaning Andrew Bynum can be had. The question is, for what/ Since he has no college experience and only one unrevealing year of pro ball, nobody really knows what the New Jersey 7-footer is worth . . . If you believe the media (I never have), the Knicks have placed a gag order on Next Town Brown - a natural progression from the gag season he placed on the rest of us.

Glenn

06-16-2006, 09:20 AM

Sam Smith Q&A, I didn't copy the link, sorry

Q: Seriously, it's time to break up the Pistons. Since you are NBA GM Extraordinaire, what would you do? I keep Rip Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince and dump everyone else, with Flip being the first one out the door. Maybe it was better with the control freak Larry running the offense. -- Tim, Evergreen Park

A: I think they'll make some changes, though not major. After all, they just lost the edge, not the talent. Their problem is the Wallaces. Ben's getting older and wants a truckload of money. Rasheed's whining seems to have taken over the team; everyone has become a complainer. I believe they'll move one, though I don't know which one.

WTFchris

06-16-2006, 02:59 PM

http://www.nypost.com/sports/no_way_jermaines_on_the_block_sports_peter_vecsey. htm

As mentioned previously, I cast my MVP vote for Dirk. Evidently, I think he can play a little bit. At the same time, ABC's color (uncoordinated) studio analyst Mark Jackson should have his mouth washed out with German chocolate cake for stating Dirk is better than Larry Bird. Not only would Bird have the layup that would've tied the game, underlines column contributor Kevin Heller, "he would've slipped on a blindfold and drained the winning free throw."

I remember back when we were voting on MVP, you and I were the only ones picking Dirk.

Glenn

06-16-2006, 03:06 PM

Yeah, I had Nash at the AS break and then Dirk at the end of the year.

Good times.

Don't hear much from the "Chauncey for MVP" folks these days (unfortunately).

BIG BEN'S FRO

06-16-2006, 09:37 PM

With Atlanta now possibly being sold, I am sure that they are going to want to dump long term contracts, so I came up with this one. I think it would be a Joe D special, but it's possible.

Detroit trades Dale Davis (3.5 mill), Mo Evans (1.5 mill), and the Orlando pick for Josh Childress and Zaza Pachulia. The only reason that I think Atlanta would consider this is because they would nuke Zaza's owed 12 mill and gain a high pick, nice assets for a sale. It would also give them a cap amount of $0 at the end of next season. For us it is a no brainer. Childress is like a Tayshaun Prince mini-me. Add in the fact that somehow he shoots 50% on the Hawks.

A variation of this trade I also liked would be Evans and the pick for Josh Smith +/- Dale Davis and Zaza

Taymelo

06-16-2006, 09:59 PM

Yeah, I had Nash at the AS break and then Dirk at the end of the year.

Good times.

Don't hear much from the "Chauncey for MVP" folks these days (unfortunately).

Pharaoh

06-17-2006, 01:34 AM

With Orlando's performance at the end of this year, I believe that the Orlando pick is expected to be in the 7-15 range next year, and also, that with it being next year it has a value of around 15-20.

I expect the Magic's pick in 2007 to be in the Lottery. A Lottery pick in the 2007 Draft is a lot fucking better than #10 in the 2006 Draft IMO.

I'm sure a team like Seattle would happily trade #10 for a Top 15 pick in 2007, we just have to try and get them to include Watson for Dale Davis and Mo Evans.

Since they are losing money and Watson has a long contract (plus Ridnour was apparently pissed during the season about playing time) it's possible we could swing this trade.

Our bench would be Watson, Delfino and Dice, with Maxiell, Amir, and the Sonics pick. Plus we'd still have the MLE to sign a F/C type

Atticus771

06-17-2006, 01:28 PM

Cross

06-17-2006, 01:52 PM

not a cup of coffee.

a lottery pick for a deep ass draft and we get Cato off the books.

Atticus771

06-19-2006, 01:16 PM

Cross, if that turns out to be a lottery pick, I'll be singing praises for Joe with the rest of you. However, I'm one who thinks Orlando will probably make the playoffs at the 7 or 8 seed next season. Call me crazy, but it's a hunch.

Either way, the salary dump of Cato is nice.

Glenn

06-19-2006, 01:25 PM

Atti,

I also think that ORL is playoff bound, if they want to be, that is.

Pharaoh

06-21-2006, 01:07 PM

Can you guys explain why you see Orlando making the playoffs?

detroitsportscity

06-21-2006, 02:34 PM

Can you guys explain why you see Orlando making the playoffs?

They finished the season with a 22-5 stretch, are a young team, are adding a lotto pick, whatever they get in FA, and have some trading pieces if they want to use them, that aren't vital(Hill, Turky, etc.)

Also, they got the 11th pick this year, and have no reason to be anything other than better next year. Any major improvements could send them into the playoffs.

Fool

06-21-2006, 03:20 PM

And they play in the East and were only 4 wins out last year.

Glenn

06-21-2006, 03:23 PM

^yeah, what they said

b-diddy

06-21-2006, 03:36 PM

because they'll have a top tier pf and a good pg, and not a horrible supporting cast. maybe not lottery... det, chi, cle, miami, was, are locks. nj, indy, mil should all make it. but orl is going to be in the hunt.

Cross

06-22-2006, 10:33 AM

yup. from the 4th seed and down, any team can make it. (except the knicks)

Dwight and Nelson should be fun to watch. healthy hill, stevenson(if signed) 11th pick and some signings I would assume. Oh yeah, Darko too. He'll be a monster...-_-

Pharaoh

06-22-2006, 12:39 PM

LMAO - out come all the Magic fans.

Call me Iverson, cause I'm answering every reason (reasons in bold)

22-5 closing stretch? OMG! Heaven help the league.

Didn't GSW do something similar and then missed the playoffs last season?

That stretch means nothing, except that guys like Darko, Ariza and other scrubs were actually trying to win more playing time and/or a better contract (Stevenson) for next season.

Once paid or in the rotation will they dive for every loose ball or try to block every fucking shot? Will other teams be tanking? Will Orlando be tanking?

Young team Not a reason to make the playoffs. IMO it's a reason why they're likely to miss them. Young teams get excited and choke in tight games, unless they have a quality coach. Orlando's coach is shit

Are adding a Lotto pick in the weakest Draft in a long time. #11 is not gonna bring a difference maker IMO. They'll be lucky to get a guy that can consistently get onto the floor.

whatever they get in FA Um, so you're putting your faith in a guy to be named later? Until they sign someone this is a BS reason

have some trading pieces that aren't vital And? Who will they get for those pieces? Other guys to be named later? The annuncer for Orlando is gonna have hard a time telling one "Guy to be named later' from another.

and they play in the East with Boston, Chicago, Cleveland, Detroit, Indiana, Miami, Milwaukee, New Jersey, New York (lol), Philly, Washington.

That's 10 teams (fuck the Knicks) that are going to contend for the playoffs + Orlando. Yet some people seem certain the Magic will make it. Why?

and were 4 wins out last year - so? They came close this season. That doesn't mean shit for next season. Fuck! Seattle made the 2005 playoffs. WTF happened to them? GSW came close - where did they finish?

because they have a top PF and PG And? A ton of teams have 2 quality players. Even in the East. That doesn't make Orlando any better or any worse than the teams I mentioned above.

not a horrible supporting cast Please name their quality depth.

And "Guy to be named later #1" and "Guy to be named later #2" don't count.

Honestly, I put Orlando in the middle of the pack in the East. Sure they could make the playoffs, but there is nothing to suggest they will make the playoffs.

They have nothing that impresses me all that much.

Coach is shit, Dwight isn't as dominant as he could be, Nelson has got to stay healthy and beat defenses designed to slow him, their SG (Guy to be Named Later) is a serious ? and we don't even know if Hill will play or if Darko can play for more than 15 minutes.

So why are some people so sure?

No one can be sure, because it's a fucking toss up. Which is why I wish people would stop shitting on that pick they owe us.

It's just as likely to be #7 as it is #17

Glenn

06-22-2006, 12:50 PM

It's just as likely to be #7 as it is #17

Just for that, I'm calling that it ends up #18

Pharaoh

06-22-2006, 01:10 PM

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b-diddy

06-22-2006, 04:37 PM

because they have a top PF and PG And? A ton of teams have 2 quality players. Even in the East. That doesn't make Orlando any better or any worse than the teams I mentioned above.

not a horrible supporting cast Please name their quality depth.

And "Guy to be named later #1" and "Guy to be named later #2" don't count.

Honestly, I put Orlando in the middle of the pack in the East. Sure they could make the playoffs, but there is nothing to suggest they will make the playoffs.

They have nothing that impresses me all that much.

Coach is shit, Dwight isn't as dominant as he could be, Nelson has got to stay healthy and beat defenses designed to slow him, their SG (Guy to be Named Later) is a serious ? and we don't even know if Hill will play or if Darko can play for more than 15 minutes.

So why are some people so sure?

No one can be sure, because it's a fucking toss up. Which is why I wish people would stop shitting on that pick they owe us.

It's just as likely to be #7 as it is #17

didnt dwight lead the league in boards last year? year three is typically a breakout year. he very well could go 20/15. i fully expect him to be the best pf (big man?) in the east. the supporting is better than you claim. torkoglu finished last year really strong. their center (forget his name) was one of the better big men last year. i'm telling you, dont sleep on the magic.

BIG BEN'S FRO

06-22-2006, 06:15 PM

BIG BEN'S FRO

06-22-2006, 07:20 PM

Actually, what I would love to do is offer Portland Cash for their last first rounder. Maybe a mill and a future second. That would be a nice way for us to add a depth player and actually getting someone that we target.

detroitsportscity

06-22-2006, 07:52 PM

I do agree that a superstar is necessary, but the problem is really how to get one of those top tier players that will get the calls. IMO the only ones available for anything we have are:
Iverson
Pierce
KG
Jermaine ONeal (but not available to us)
Ray Allen

The next tier of guys that would be remotely available are:
Chris Paul - in no way available, IMO
-----------------Lamar Odom
Mike Bibby
Sam Cassell
-----------------Paul Gasol
Shawn Marion
Ben Gordon (again they would not trade him to us)

While AI is certainly available, his contract is putrid, and we really wouldn't gut any of our starting 5 for him.
Boston would give us Pierce, but it would probably cost us Prince and Dice, or Hamilton and the Orlando pick.
KG has been explored and is a stretch
Ray Allen is feasible, but has a big contract and is 31 already

Out of the next two, the most attainable is certainly Odom or Cassell, but I wouldn't exactly part with Billups to have Cassell.

Frankly, none of these options outside of KG or Pierce really interest me that much. The best trade that I could come up with was Hamilton or Prince, Dale, and Mo Evans with the Orlando pick for Pierce and Gerald Green.

Gausol or Odom would be who I would target.

If we got either of them, it would probably cost Ben(though a Odom/Prince thing could be interesting, I don't think either team would or should do that), and since they are PF's, we would either have to move Sheed to C, or move him altogther. Personally, I think that if we break up the starting 6, Sheed should be moved, as his outside style, lack of rebounding, and whining bother the hell out of me.

Sheed would have to be moved for a C, leaving these options that I can think of:

Dalembert - keeps the defense and energy mantra going, though something more would need to be included on their side IMO(Green/#13), but maybe that is just my inside homer.

Pryzbilla + change - solid, not an amazing player, but does everything well.

Magloire - would need to come with something else(Mo Williams, Simmons, Bell?). He rebounds well, which is a plus, but is average at best as a scorer and defender.

Okafor - would be tough to get with Sheed, but they could want the UNC connection.

Chandler - bad contract and foul prone. Plus I doubt they want to interupt that youth core for Sheed.

Nene - I would want something in addition to him. He has all the physical tools(assuming he looks good after his knee stuff).

Nazr Mohammed - average, and looks like he will be a Bull. Could be available for the MLE, though.

Haywood - would require large additions on Washington's part, plus they already have a PF.

We could use a team such as Houston as a 3 way path, as they would LOVE a PF that could take pressure off of Yao and McGrady, and would be content in the background.

Best option IMO - Dalembert and #13. Dalembert is the most Piston like of the bunch. Get him and Gausol(I can wish at least), and we have a still great inside group, and more depth with #13.

BIG BEN'S FRO

06-22-2006, 11:21 PM

Personally, I would like acquiring Al Harrington, but only if Rasheed was gone. That would let Dice start, and have Harrington backup both forward spots. It would get him enough minutes I am sure. Thus I came up with this scenario.

Detroit trades Rasheed Wallace to Phoenix for Kurt Thomas and Leandro Barbosa.
We then do a sign and trade with Atlanta for Harrington starting at 6.25 mill (25% more than Evans + Dale Davis' salaries). We would throw in a Detroit first for good measure. That is more than the MLE, which should weed out some of our competitors.
We would then NOT use the MLE at all.

Dice would start at the 4, Kurt Thomas getting minutes backing up Ben, and Delfino, and Barbosa as the backup guards. I absolutely love this rotation due to the depth and versatility. With Thomas, Harrington, Delfino, and Barbosa, we would be fast, and have lots of mismatches on the floor.

This deal actually makes sense for the other parties as well. Phoenix would be really tough with Amare, Sheed, and Marion up front of Nash. Man that is a good frontline. Atlanta would basically be getting a first for a player who isn't going to sign there anyway.

mercury

06-23-2006, 12:49 AM

06-23-2006, 02:08 AM

I think as long as a pick was part of the deal they (ATL) would be happy since they owe two to PHX.

Pharaoh

06-23-2006, 11:14 AM

B Diddy: Last year this and last year that - it doesn't matter.

The only quality depth you named was Turkoglu.

This is what I know of the Magic:

C and/or PF: Battie, Dwight, Darko, Garrity
Wings: Hill, Turkoglu, Stevenson (who is a FA)
PG's: Nelson, Arroyo and Dooling

Did I miss anyone currently on their roster that is very good?

If I didn't then I think that team sucks.

Dwight might have a great year, but 20 and 15? Who was the last player to do that? Even if he has a Brand-type of season he doesn't have the supporting cast Brand had.

Glenn

06-24-2006, 02:39 PM

I'm bored, so I wanna trade Sheed.

NYK gets:
Sheed
Evans
Acker
Minny's 2nd round pick

Det gets:
Jalen Rose
One of this year's two late 1sts that the NYK have

Works on ESPN Trade Machine

We get rid of Sheed's infectious poor attitude, move Evans to clear some time for Delfino, get a quality player in Rose that can backup three positions and doesn't mind coming off the bench, especially for his boyhood-favorite team, has a huge expiring deal, and Joe can then draft a PG with the NYK pick.

NYK get quality depth that wasn't around that poisoned NYK lockeroom last year (admittedly, Sheed's not going to help things there), a big man that would instantly be their best player/starting center/pf. They also clear out a salary slot that would have gone to another 1st round young player that they don't need. They reclaim the pick next year (albeit it slightly lower, but having a non-guaranteed salary slot is a plus) with the Minny pick.

Acker's there to make the salaries work and would probably be waived by NYK.

Dice slides into the starting lineup, opening playing time for Davis/Maxiell/Amir.

We can still use the MLE, and with Rose and the 1st rounder from NYK, Joe D has his "8 deep" contributors.

Cross

06-25-2006, 12:09 AM

I guess as long as we get rid of Mo evans its alright

DrRay11

06-25-2006, 04:00 PM

Hmm... I was thinking today, and here's what I came up with --

Chicago trades:
Nocioni
Gordon
Filler (don't know who)

Detroit trades:
s/t'd Ben Wallace
Orlando pick

Gordon gives us a third guard who can play both PG and SG and is probably someone who can also draw fouls off the drive. Nocioni is a fucking scrapper and I like the passion he seems to have for the game. I don't know whether or not Chicago would do this, as I feel BW and the pick would probably not be enough.

Minnesota trades:
KG
Rashad McCants

Detroit trades:
Rip Hamilton
Rasheed Wallace
Mo Evans
Amir Johnson

Why for Detroit: KG. Superstar. Simple as that. I tried to get McCants in there too because we'd need someone to step in and start at SG since Rip would be gone, unless Delfino or Gordon from the deal above could get things done.

If the above deal couldn't be done, I'd try to dump Rasheed and Rip on the Clippers for Elton Brand and something.

These are just some ideas I had today, I didn't use trade checker or anything -- as you can tell, I want to get rid of Ben and Rasheed. Both are getting up there in years, and Ben just can't play offense, period -- and with the NBA's shift towards offense, he is just not going to get the job done in a couple of years. And I loathe Rasheed's piss-ass attitude.

Don't bash the ideas, they were just quick thoughts.

Laxation

06-25-2006, 08:33 PM

BIG BEN'S FRO

06-25-2006, 09:27 PM

Chicago has 0% chance of doing any trade with us. They are in division, are our main competition in the Central, and will be legit contenders this season if not next with a top pick AND a ton of cap space. Don't forget that they actually played Miami better than we did.

Cross

06-25-2006, 10:52 PM

For the Chicago trade, they might need to throw in Chandler simply because no one else can make up the salaries... I cant see chicago doing that either, they love gordon and nocioni.

And is it possible to trade Evans for a second round pick in this years draft? Maybe with cash to Seattle for their 40th...

I think I have Laxation from somewhere....where oh where.

For the Bulls trade, there is no way he get BOTH Nocioni and Gordon.I'd prefer Deng:cool:

When we do the Minny trade, no Amir plz:cool:

FP22

06-26-2006, 12:52 AM

Laxation

06-26-2006, 02:16 AM

I think I have Laxation from somewhere....where oh where.
Your the guy with the WTFDetroit sig at hoopshype :P I guess thatd make you my referal...

Kstat

06-26-2006, 05:14 AM

The only guy we have a remote chance at getting from Chi-town is Chandler. And that would ONLY be if they wanted to dump his contract, which I doubt they would. They would probably just want Ben to mentour Chandler. Otherwise, we aren't getting anything at all from them. We just have to hope they aren't interested.

They won't sign ben unless they can move chandler.

They are NOT going to pay max cash to two frontcourt guys that can't score. Ben and CHandler essentially do the same job.

06-26-2006, 07:00 AM

Kstat is right they need to move Chandler to sign Ben. I know they have the cash but if Paxson can move Chander the bulls have a real chance to be contenders if they get Ben and still have the cash to target a guy like Peja.

Glenn

06-26-2006, 07:59 AM

I wonder if the Spurs would S&T Nazr for Tyson?

Doesn't really help the Bulls land Ben as far as I can tell, but if Nazr's going to Chicago anyways, it would get the Spurs a center that would thrive next to Duncan, and would help the Bulls shed Chandler's contract.

Varsity

06-26-2006, 10:36 AM

I wasn't under the impression that Chicago was trying to get rid of Chandler. He was the big reason they won 2 games in the playoffs this year IMO.

Kstat

06-26-2006, 12:52 PM

I wasn't under the impression that Chicago was trying to get rid of Chandler. He was the big reason they won 2 games in the playoffs this year IMO.

Then they won't give ben a lot of money. It's that simple.

They can't leave one of them on the bench, and starting both of them would be suicide. They'd be playing 3 on 5 every game.

Cross

06-26-2006, 12:58 PM

Well on offense they would.

if the bulls were to get Ben, Chandler would be moved.

FP22

06-28-2006, 02:48 AM

OK... if Ben Walks...

Chauncey Billups, Dale Davis, Mo Evans
----------for---------
Devin Harris, Marquis Daniels, Desegana Diop (and a pick maybe?)

We get a young up and coming starter-calibur PG with incredible speed, a versatile slasher that can add depth behind Rip and Tayshaun, and a young center with legit 7 foot size and shot blocking/rebounding to help fill some of Ben's void.

PG- Harris / Speedy or Banks (with the MLE)
SG- Rip / Daniels
SF- Prince / Delfino / Amir
PF- Sheed / Dice / Max
C- Diop / Jackie Butler (LLE) / Sheed

I think this would be a legit playoff team with the Depth, versatility, and an energy boost with some "experienced youth". We go with a legit 10 man rotation that can give a lot of different looks, and is setup up for long-term success. IMO this would help us skip the normal full rebuild period that teams go through.

Again, that's only if Ben decides to walk with us getting nothing in return.

Cross

06-28-2006, 03:17 AM

FP22

06-28-2006, 10:46 AM

Assuming JET resigns, that leaves the Mavs with Terry and billups at the 1? Talk about deep. Stack will most likely resign. Thats a nice 3 guard roation with billups, terry and stack. Mavs lose alot of youth in diop daniels and devin.

However, I really like harris. hes going to break out soon. A fast...i mean fucking fast slashing point guard.

Yea, I've become a huge Harris fan over the last year and a half or so. I think he's just the kind of player we need that can break down the D as good as anyone in the league and finish very well at the rim for a guy his size. Once he develops his jumper he will be scary good.

daniels is a better player than most think and is especially good on D. Id love him. (Bowen with better offense no 3 ball)
Yep, I think he would really help out the bench.

Diop is very raw and if he doesnt turn out to be good, we are fucked in the 5 for years to come unless we draft someone or something.

Well, if the deal went through (unlikely, but it's fun to think about it) we'd have 5 picks in the very deep '07 draft (including 3 1st rounders). I'm sure Joe could work some trade-magic to move those picks for something like 2 late lotto picks where we could grab a PF and Center for the future. Either way, If you saw Dallas much this year, Diop definately improved leaps and bounds. If nothing else, he can block shots and rebound.

Matt

06-28-2006, 12:18 PM

fwiw, Stephen A Smith said (on today's espn draft special) that he doesn't believe AI will be w/ the Sixers to start this next season.

for kicks: would you trade for AI, if you're Joe D? if so, what would you give up?

Cross

06-28-2006, 12:27 PM

If hes leaving either Rip or Billups, depening on what guard he chooses to play. Flip and AI?eh

Pharaoh

06-28-2006, 12:40 PM

I'm not gonna trash ideas but some are a little one sided IMO.

I still think Taylor, Frye + 20 (or Nate) for Sheed (+ Evans if they wish) is the way to go.

We draft Shannon Brown at 20 and away we go:

Ben/Frye/Cato for the BAE
Dice/Maxiell/Taylor
Prince/Amir
Rip/Delfino/Acker
Billups/Brown/Hunter for the minimum

If we wanted to take a shot at a SF we still have the MLE, but I'd rather let Amir and Delfino take those minutes early in the season to see what they can offer.

If they struggle we'd be fucked, but such is life. It's not that hard to find a minimum SF/SG though. Ronald Dupree could even be brought back for insurance.

Matt

06-28-2006, 12:43 PM

i could see Zeke making a desperate move to bring in a veteran/prove winner like Sheed. Zeke only has a year (maybe less) to turn things around and Sheed might help out now. i wouldn't mind getting Frye in return at all.

06-28-2006, 12:51 PM

I think if we could pull off a deal with Ny and get the 20th pick we could package that with the orl pick to move up and draft a Patrick Bryant, then signing Ben to big money isn't as taxing since you have a future Front Court on the roster. I think we need to spend the MLE on a SF. This type trade getting Frye and a pick allows us to spend money on a SF.

Pharaoh

06-28-2006, 12:54 PM

Exactly - it works for NY as well.

They can claim they dealt Taylor and Frye for a proven All-Star. And that the pick got them Evans. (That's fair IMO). That's a good deal for them.

They're lucky I'm not asking for Nate as well.

The roster I had in my other post also comes in under the luxury tax, even with Ben making $12,000,000 next season.

After next season Taylor is off the books and some of the money saved would go to Chanucey's extension.

Hunter would retire but by then we'd know if Brown and/or Acker could handle the minutes behind Billups.

The Orlando LOTTO pick (lol) would bring a big man. He'd team with Frye and Maxiell off the bench, with Cato playing the vet presence role.

Cato's deal would expire after that season ...

It's a fucking awesome trade for us.

06-28-2006, 12:54 PM

SAS on ESPN said Zeke was considering giving up Frye with 20 and 29 for a 10-14 pick, but passed. So if he would consider giving up Frye for a O'Bryant/Armstrong player he would jump at Sheed imo.

Pharaoh

06-28-2006, 01:11 PM

Hell Yeah!

If he's looking at those guys then he'd LOL at Joe for the offer I made.

I'd still do it though, even if Zeke thinks he's getting a steal.

Kstat

06-28-2006, 01:13 PM

I'd deal Sheed for Frye and #20. That's it though.

06-28-2006, 01:15 PM

I'd deal Sheed for Frye and #20. That's it though.
We have to take back some salary so it couldn't just be 20 and frye.

FP22

06-28-2006, 01:17 PM

I'd deal Sheed for Frye and #20. That's it though.

Mo Tayler is what makes the $$$ work. I'd do it. He's an expiring deal.

Kstat

06-28-2006, 01:18 PM

I'd deal Sheed for Frye and #20. That's it though.

Mo Tayler is what makes the $$$ work. I'd do it. He's an expiring deal.

I meant as far as value goes.

We can always release Mo Taylor after we trade for him.

06-28-2006, 01:21 PM

Depending on the roster numbers I would keep Mo, at least until the trade deadline, no point in repeating the DC deal.

Matt

06-28-2006, 01:23 PM

for some reason, i can really see both sides doing the deal. pistons get a young big who could blow up (check out when Frye played 30+ minutes), plus a decent ranged draft pick, plus an expiring deal for future capspace.

knicks get a proven bigman who start right away, is a proven winner, and should make the Knicks better right away. just for good measure (and to get rid of him to play delfino), can we give 'em Mo evans too? trade our Mo for their Mo...

Glenn

06-28-2006, 01:47 PM

Mo Taylor has a decent little low post game as well. That bank shot is almost money.

Would be a decent 8th man, IMO, but not if he's stealing PT from Amir/Max

Kstat

06-28-2006, 01:51 PM

Mo Taylor has a decent little low post game as well. That bank shot is almost money.

Would be a decent 8th man, IMO, but not if he's stealing PT from Amir/Max

Precisely why I would release him immidiately.

Glenn

06-30-2006, 02:41 PM

What do you guys think about this Ben S&T deal that I just whipped up?

GSW gets
re-signed Ben Wallace
Dale Davis (expiring)

Det gets
Baron Davis
Ike Diogu

GSW is looking for defense in the front court, this would inject them with a double dose of that. They also need to move Baron because he's clashing with Monty. The fact that they get an overpaid Ben is offset a bit by getting DD's expiring deal.

Detroit gets a very good 3rd guard to add to their rotation and a young, relatively inexpensive big that has a very "team friendly" contract going forward. Diogu has a lot of upside and would possibly help "correct" the Darko draft day mistake (gives us a big for the future).

Thoughts?

FP22

06-30-2006, 02:57 PM

FP22

06-30-2006, 04:02 PM

NY Post (yea, I know) is saying Washington wants Ben. Here's the first deal I thought of with them if he decides he doesn't want to come back...

Ben Wallace (4 or 5 year deal starting at 12 Mil)
--for--
Antonio Daniels and Brendan Haywood (9.9 Mil total)

Pistons sign Bonzi to the MLE and go...
PG- Billups / Daniels
SG- Rip / Bonzi / Delfino
SF- Prince / Bonzi / Delfino
PF- Sheed / Dice / Maxiell
C- Haywood / Davis

Salaries work if Ben's deal starts at 12 mil. We get a quality slashing backup PG with real speed (Daniels) and a servicable Center that can block some shots, grab some boards, and even has an underrated post-game. Then after we get Bonzi with the MLE we'll have not only a good bench, but one of the best in the league. I know it isn't bringing back the big names, but I think it gives us a LOT of quality pieces.

Pharaoh

07-01-2006, 01:57 AM

GD - sorry to point this out but:

We can't package Ben with another player in a sign and trade.

However, if Davis for Ike works by itself and Baron Davis for Ben works by itself then YES, you can make that offer.

Personally I'd avoid Baron, because he'd clash with Sheed and Billups and Rip and Prince and Dice and you get the point

Kstat

07-01-2006, 01:58 AM

I'd avoid baron on sheer principle.

He;s the west version of marbury. Everywhere he goes, his team loses.

If was comical to see the warriors with baron on IR this year and monta ellis running the team. They were actually GOOD.

Pharaoh

07-01-2006, 02:18 AM

Actually, that's true!

I wonder why he doesn't cop the same shit Marbury does?

Glenn

07-01-2006, 02:20 AM

I was thinking it would be two separate deals.

Pharaoh

07-01-2006, 02:24 AM

Cool - then it works

DPISTONS90

07-02-2006, 08:05 PM

I would puke if I saw that egotistical fuck Baron Davis in a Pistons uniform. Besides he isnt a Joey D kind of player anyways. Joe dumars is not gonna dismantle a 64 game winning team that lost to the eventual NBA champs anyways. I read a lot about trading this guy or that guy, but the bottom line is simple we lose any of our starters and the Pistons are fucked. They play off each other and if we lose a Sheed or a B Wallace, the magic is gone. What makes them great is the TEAM concept, and Dumars knows that. Singularly, other than Sheed, this team is made up of excellent role players. Lose Ben and we are no better than the Wizards and or teams like Milwaukee and Cleveland. Basically, the Pistons will lose their aura. Fuck Davis, Dalembert, Iverson, Garnett, chandler. Keep the starting five intact, get Bonzi, get Chucky Atkins, resign Hunter, and have Dumars make Flip watch some film of coaches like Avery Johnson, Riley, D'Antoni, and a little Chuck Daley so he can figure out how to play a full rotation, or in a dream get Larry back, mold our young players, get the Pistons thug/us against the world mentality back, and then go out and kick the shit out the of the Heat or whoever else stands in our way. And yes, we pay Big Ben what it takes. Seriously, wouldnt it be money well spent if the Pistons contend for 3-4 more years and win another championship with this core intact?

Joe Asberry

07-02-2006, 08:27 PM

best first post ever :D

Cross

07-02-2006, 10:48 PM

Good first post but I'd take Garnett, so dont fuck him. Fuck everyone else

Kstat

07-02-2006, 11:28 PM

Cross

07-02-2006, 11:40 PM

If we get PJ Brown for Ben Wallace, we just fucked ourselves in the ass.

I dont know if his contract is expiring or what but I'd take Evans, Daly, or Chandler anyday.

Kstat

07-02-2006, 11:42 PM

If we get PJ Brown for Ben Wallace, we just fucked ourselves in the ass.

I dont know if his contract is expiring or what but I'd take Evans, Daly, or Chandler anyday.

PJ makes $8 million in 2007 and that's it.

Also I'd expect ther eto be some filler thrown in, as PJ's salary wouldnt match ben's.

Trust me, I hope this is complete bullshit.

07-02-2006, 11:47 PM

http://hornetsreport.com/HRForums/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=2

Take this guy for what he's worth (internet rumor), but he's already accurately called the Peja signing and the bobby jackson signing well before they happened.

He's saying now that he has word that this 3-way deal will go down if ben agrees to sign with the bulls:

Pistons get PJ Brown

Bulls get Ben, JR Smith

Hornets get Tyson Chandler, Malik Allen

I really hope he's wrong, but this is one of the more elaborate insider hoaxes if he's lying about having legit sources. He's already 2/2.

This deal is contengent on Ben agreeign to sign with the bulls, however, and no indication has been given that he will.

There is no way that is possible as is. Chandler makes 9.94, PJ makes 8 million, JR Smith makes 1.1 when making a trade the numbers need to be within 125%. That would mean for Detroit to only get back PJ, while Chicago got two players Ben's salary being with in CBA rules could not be more than 8.9 million why would Ben agree to that given the offer that already exist? I am not shhoting the messenger it just seems like more filler would be needed and where do you get that? I mean Hell I would love the filler to be Desmond Mason but don't see that happening. There is no one else on the Hornets roster all other FA's they have can't be dealt with other players.

Cross

07-02-2006, 11:52 PM

Would Des be the slasher we needed?

If this trade went down, would we use the MLE on a big instead of Wells?

this would make tihngs interesting

Kstat

07-02-2006, 11:52 PM

07-03-2006, 12:12 AM

With filler it is possible but for arguments sake we need to agree on a number for Ben. Detroit is offering 12, Chicago is offering 13. So he would get 13 in this deal if he accepted it.

So first flaw just taking it from this angle, PJ is at 8 we need at minimum of 2 million of filler back, looking NO's roster only Marc Jackson makes more than 2 million and is "expendable" or someone we might want. So there needs to be filler. Second flaw in the deal is why would Chicago want JR Smith, they have Deng, Nocioni, Khyrapa, and Sefolosa, to play SF. Therefore if I had to guess about this deal Deng or Nocioni would be headed our way if there were truth to it in princliple.

Cross

07-03-2006, 12:15 AM

Deng or Noc?

Hell yeah!

That would probably mean we wouldnt need Bonzi and then we could use our MLE on Claxton

07-03-2006, 12:20 AM

Kstat

07-03-2006, 12:24 AM

Looking at Chicago's roster Nocoini seems like he could be the odd man out. He is a FA after this season, Chicago needs to re-up Hnrich and Sweetney if they want this year, then Gordon, and Deng after 07-08.

Except Nocioni is beloved in Chicago, and he's way better than any SG/SF they have.....

If there's a decision to be made, it's Deng that goes.

07-03-2006, 12:28 AM

I don't disagree about the way he is viewed in Chicago but sentiment aside Deng has more up side is signed after this season and Chicago drafted two guys with as much toughness as Nocoini. With Ben in Chicago that is good enough PR to let a fan favorite go, it is not out of charcter of the Bulls to make business decisions.

07-03-2006, 12:31 AM

I think the question for us is PJ a guy we keep or deal?

Cross

07-03-2006, 12:31 AM

I thought Deng did really well towards the end of the season. If the Bulls cared about winning, I say Noc is gone. Noc maybe liked more but I think Dengs the better player, and much younger.

Kstat

07-03-2006, 12:33 AM

I think the question for us is PJ a guy we keep or deal?

PJ is 37 years old. He's a quality player, and you won't get much for him anyway.

You also couldnt trade him again in a package until late january.

07-03-2006, 01:10 AM

He is expiring if that matters, I don't know if that is more apealling to Mr. D penny pinching ass or in the trade market given the high quality of picks and players availabe next offseason.

goldens4snss

07-03-2006, 10:31 PM

PJ Brown would give us an expiring contract that we could package with the Orlando pick to get a big man I guess.

Do you have a clue about basketball!!!

Ben said F--- Y-- to all Pistons Fans and Players. That is how I see it. He could have worked out a S&T but said F--- Y-- instead.

Fool

07-03-2006, 11:45 PM

LOL, Kilo wins hands down.

07-04-2006, 12:51 AM

No reason to get personal.

Glenn

07-05-2006, 01:18 PM

Derek Fisher off to Utah?

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_4014237

NEW TODAY: Jazz likely to get Fisher, deal Brown, McLeod and Owens

By Steve Luhm
The Salt Lake Tribune

The Jazz and Golden State plan to pull the trigger on a four-player trade that would bring veteran point guard Derek Fisher to Utah.
The Salt Lake Tribune has learned - barring an unexpected hitch - the Jazz will send Devin Brown, Keith McLeod and Andre Owens to the Warriors in exchange for Fisher, a 10-year veteran.
The deal will be completed after Owens signs a free-agent contract with the Jazz next week - a step that is necessary to make the trade adhere to NBA salary requirements.
Free agents are not allowed to sign new contracts before July 12.
Fisher, the 24th pick in the 1996 draft, spent his first eight years in the league in Los Angeles with the Lakers, where he played on three championship teams.
Signed as a free agent by Golden State in 2004, Fisher played the last two seasons with the Warriors.
Last year, he averaged 13.3 points and 4.3 assists while shooting 37.3 percent from the three-point line for a team that failed to reach the playoffs for the 12th straight year.
Fisher is probably best known for his game-winning shot in Game 5 of the 2004 Western Conference finals.
After San Antonio had taken a 73-72 lead in Tim Duncan's 18-foot jumper with 0.4 seconds remaining, the Lakers' Gary Payton inbounded the ball to Fisher.
In one motion, he caught the ball, turned and fired a 20-foot fallaway jump shot. It went in and, after TV replays confirmed he released the ball in time, the Lakers took a 3-2 lead in their series with the Spurs en route to the NBA Finals.

BIG BEN'S FRO

07-06-2006, 11:41 PM

Consider a move of Seattle doing a S&T with us for Chris Wilcox, where we gave them Dice and Maxiell for Wilcox. Wilcox is 24, and would be with us for a long time. We would basically have turned that 12 mill we were going to pay Ben into contracts on Muhammed and Wilcox. I don't really want to part with Dice, but it is a FACT that he is going to opt out if healthy next season, and Joe's top priority will be Billups. This move is perfect for us. Wilcox is starter quality, and would make Muhammed a moveable asset. I feel pretty decent about starting Wilcox, Sheed, Prince, Rip, and Billups. It has a perfect blend of youth and experience. That would also give us Dale Davis, Delfino, Muhammed, and a BAE PG to make up the bench rotation guys. We would still have both picks next season as an emergency if Billups leaves.

Kstat

07-07-2006, 12:10 AM

Wilcox is what Maxiell would be if he had no work ethic.

I'll pass on a guy with no work habits whatsoever. SO will Joe.

detroitsportscity

07-07-2006, 01:10 AM

Wilcox is what Maxiell would be if he had no work ethic.

I'll pass on a guy with no work habits whatsoever. SO will Joe.

If Maxiell was 7 foot, and more talented.

Wilcox > Max, sorry man, you are crazy.

Cross

07-07-2006, 09:00 AM

detroitsportscity

07-07-2006, 09:44 AM

Well, Wilcox had one good half a season. Wilcox may not be what we thought hed be BUT how do we get Wilcox?

edit: No way we trade DD, they got Swift Petro and Sene. Sheed for a 24 year Wilcox who hasnt proven shit? Eh...

We would probably have to do a 3 way, possibly with Sheed.

Sheed for Wilcox and Watson could work, and have Boston take Sheed, and give Ratliff, Perkins, and a PG/SG to Seattle.

IDK what you could work out with Dyess and Davis.

Cross

07-07-2006, 09:46 AM

If im not mistaken, Wilcox is a FA. I doubt he could be involved in any 3 way trade

detroitsportscity

07-07-2006, 10:20 AM

If im not mistaken, Wilcox is a FA. I doubt he could be involved in any 3 way trade

You can't do a 3 way S+T?

What about 2 seperate trades within 48 hours?

Glenn

07-07-2006, 11:48 AM

Cross, I mentioned earlier that I wouldn't trade DD unless we were able to acquire another center besides Cato. Here's a scenario that might be interesting, working off Pharaoh's idea about Juan Dixon.

I wouldn't mind trading DD to Portland for Dixon (combo guard) and Travis Outlaw (athletic SF) IF we could S&T Cato and get back somebody that would replace what Dale was going to provide here. It might have to be somebody with an ugly contract, so Davidson would have to be willing to move into the tax zone to get this done.

But what could we get for Cato in a S&T? I would have suggested Stromile Swift, but that ship has passed. Maybe Zelly? Eddie Griffin (the spanker)? Madsen? Collison? Haywood?

All of those options are better than Cato IMO, but those of you that like Cato might be happier if we just re-signed him.

DD to Portland makes a lot of sense for them. Bring back a fan favorite that would help with the rebuilding of their image with his leadership skills. He could help back up Pryz until Aldridge is ready.

07-07-2006, 04:31 PM

To be honest what we can get that is better than Cato is a matter what you think of Cato and of his ability.

What I mean is Jarod Collins, Jamal Sampson, Jake Voskul Loren Woods are minimum guys who are younger but have shown limited signs of life; then you have your older flash in the pan vets who have the ability to be solid just not consistently as of late but will not garner more than the minimum to BAE, like Pollard, Kemp, L. Wright, Olowakandi, and Ervin Johnson. Based on that list I don't see Cato being vastly superior to those guys so if you move DD I think you can find an adequate replacement.

I f I were Joe I would go after Reggie Evans with the BAE if we can get a SF via trade. I would sell Reggie on the fact that without Ben he has a better chane of major minutes here than in Denver. I would tell him I see the same things in him I did in Ben before Ben broke out. I would then offer him a 1 year deal with a P/O for year 2, and say to him with the minutes you will get and the attention that will follow this team a big pay day will be in your future if you play your game.

Joe Asberry

07-07-2006, 05:00 PM

id like the Dixon+Outlaw for Dale deal, i wouldn't worry about backup center too much, we'll find someone

i know, i know long talked about but its about time to get 'the star' if we want to continue to contend for a title without Ben...

Sheed, Dice, Dale plus Orlando pick for KG, did you know KG has a player option to opt out of his contract and become a free agent next year? cause i didnt...geesh, he's as good as gone, they should trade him NOW! and it seems like the Bulls wont want to give up any of their young talent, now i know the wolves would probably get a better deal, getting some young talent and all, but we ve gotta try at least ....
CB,Dice, Dale plus our 07 pick for AI...Billups is nice but he will command 12 a year too, so why not trade him now for a guy who's even better, plus AI gets to the basket at will, can finish, get some points in the paint...and he gets a MVP like...excuse me...Wade like treatment from the refs

07-07-2006, 05:15 PM

At this point if we do a 3 for 1 deal for a superstar we only get weaker IMO.

Joe Asberry

07-07-2006, 05:21 PM

we need Dice and Dale to make it work, KG makes 20, AI 18 mil...but we ve could sub them with a resigned Cato i guess to make it work salary wise...

Cross

07-07-2006, 09:51 PM

Dixon and Outlaw for DD? Hell yeah. Outlaw is young and looks athletic to me. Didnt watch many blazer games but I'm going to guess Outlaw can finish and be a slid backup.

I would have honestly thought Swift would have been the best choice because of the Rockets being interested in Cato etc.

Kstat

07-07-2006, 11:49 PM

Dixon+Outlaw for DD?

How much crack does Portland have to do before they agree to this deal?

Cross

07-07-2006, 11:56 PM

It's just a fucking idea.

It would be beneficial for us and the Blazers can use a big man instead of having a million fucking guards. Blazers got Jarret Jack and Steve Blake and Juan Dixon AND dan Dickau. Dixon wouldnt be playing alot of 2 because they got Roy and Webster. When Roy prospers, you could see Webster playing some 3. Then where the fuck does outlaw go? outlaw isnt playing his best in Portland and it would be a good idea to trade him before his contract is up.

I think it makes sense

Kstat

07-08-2006, 12:11 AM

Yeah, but why would they trade their BEST guard to us?

Outlaw I could understand maybe, but Dixon, they need him if they want to win any games at all. He's the one guard on that team that already knows how to play basketball.

I've wanted Dixon on the Pistons for years now. I just don't see how the deal gets done.

Cross

07-08-2006, 12:15 AM

I think he would be LEAST valuable to them in the future considering they got Jack at the 1 and Roy/Webster at the 2. They can trade Dixon and still be good at the 1 with Blake Jack and Dickau and at the 2, they may be raw but they got NBA ready Roy and Not so quite ready Webster. If the Blazers are looking to the future, trade Dixon.

He is also expensive compared to Blake:)

Kstat

07-08-2006, 12:41 AM

He's got the least potential, but at present he's the best guard they have by a wide margin.

You can't throw a bunch of kids out there at once and expect them to learn...they need at least one veteran guard to learn from.

Cross

07-08-2006, 12:57 AM

...like I have said, the Blazers are going through the rebuild process. They don't need a player like Dixon, not a veteran but not a rookie. He has some experience but the Blazers will need to be patient and let their rookies develop. Maybe they could use Dixon til the deadline but after that, he's gone.

The Blazers are very high in potential and have some NBA ready players such as Roy and Aldridge but they certainly aren't going to make the playoffs and the whole team knows it. So with that said, why would Dixon want to stay? I'm sure their rookies and other sophmores are willing to play together and possibly form an elite team for years to come but for now, where doed Dixon come to play. Winning games would be a start but that wont lead them anywhere. Let the ones who need to prove themselves play not someone who has proven like Dixon. The Blazers can use a VET who can teach these guys a thing or two such as DD and maybe our own vet pg, hunter but thats unlikely. A player like Dixon can be much more useful on another team has no use on a rebuilding team like the Blazers.

For the record, Dixon is not a veteran AND even if he was, the Blazers would have college teammate Blake and even Dan Dickau to show them some things

Glenn

07-08-2006, 06:17 AM

DD's expiring deal has to be factored in as well

detroitsportscity

07-08-2006, 09:48 AM

Hoopshype has us interested in Bonzi still.

How would we get him Dyess would need to be included at a minimum(if we don't want to trade a starter), so what would we do in terms of backup bigs?

We could resort to trading Sheed, but then Bonzi probably wouldn't want to come.

Maybe we could convince them to take Cato and Davis, then either keep Dyess or move him and a pick for Harrington.

Glenn

07-11-2006, 08:29 AM

Pharaoh

07-11-2006, 09:02 AM

Isn't Butler a restricted free agent?

If he was a second round pick the Knicks can match our offer.

Of course, if they match our BAE offer it would cost them double due to the luxury tax situation they have.

Interesting option.

And that Davis/pick trade for Knight is fine with me. (I proposed the same deal for Dixon + #30)

Other options for the BAE if Davis is traded:

Cliff Robinson - Sheed and Cliffy? LMAO
Toni Kukoc - imagine him in a Pistons uni! LMAO again

Glenn

07-11-2006, 09:04 AM

I think Butler was undrafted.

07-11-2006, 09:08 AM

He is still restricted though according to ESPN.

Pharaoh

07-11-2006, 09:11 AM

Why is he restricted if he was undrafted?

Either way make an offer and see what they do.

If they match they'll basically pay double, because of their tax situation

Glenn

07-11-2006, 09:12 AM

Because they made him a $1m qualifying offer? I dunno.

I should have mentioned that he is restricted, but as Pharaoh said, it might be interesting to put the onus on the Knicks to pony up or let him walk.

Maybe we could get a S'd&T'd Butler for a S'd&T'd Cato? Hmmm.

If the NYK have to choose one or two of their youngin's to go, Butler might be the one.

We could cause some "holy hell" for them, and that would be fun.

07-11-2006, 09:16 AM

New York Knicks

Restricted: Jackie Butler

Unrestricted: Qyntel Woods

Limited Salary Protection: Ime Udoka (no salary protection for 06-07)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2441631

I don't know the answer to the question the CBA is fucked that is all.

Glenn

07-11-2006, 09:19 AM

I usually don't like quoting Hoopsworld, but (from an article on the Top 25 free agents):

http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_18055.shtml

8. Jackie Butler, C Knicks, Interested teams include any team looking for a young developmental Center

A 21 year old Center that is only going to get better. A team like the Cavs could use him to groom and eventually take over at the Center position. The Knicks already have 3 centers and don’t need Butler, signing with the Knicks will only impede his development.

Pharaoh

07-11-2006, 09:25 AM

I was trying to find something on why he's restricted but gave up.

It doesn't matter why he is, he just is.

He also happens to be a pretty good option for us, especially with the BAE.

Go get him Joe. Then deal Davis and our 2007 for Knight

detroitsportscity

07-11-2006, 10:13 AM

Here's another scenario to chew on.

Dale Davis + OUR 2007 1st (not the super duper ORL pick)

for Brevin Knight

then, sign Jackie Butler with the BAE

Do you guys remember how Butler devoured the Pistons in the paint last year? He's actually got some pretty nice low post moves.

Can you imagine bringing Butler and Maxiell off the bench together? Butler is listed at 6'10", anybody know if that is legit?

I would try to go with the '08, so that the Orlando would still be possible to be trade bait, and I've heard conflicting things as to our ability to trade that pick(2 consecutive picks, or 2 consecutive future picks?).

I think that 1 or 2 2nds would have to be included to get Butler due to his restricted-ness.

Good set of ideas still, and I wouldn't mind at all if Joe could pull it off.

Pharaoh

07-11-2006, 10:32 AM

We can deal our 2007 first, because the rule is you can't trade 2 consecutive future picks.

So, we trade our 2007 but can't deal 2008.

This idea of not being able to trade our 2007 pick because we traded our 2006 pick is rubbish.

That said our 2008 pick would probably be less valuable than our 2007. The Draft class probably isn't as deep (although, isn't that the Mayo Draft?)

And I'm not against giving up the Minnesota second rounder in order to guarantee the Knicks don't match on Butler.

So, Davis + Detroit 2007 or 2008 first rounder to Charlotte for Knight

And use the BAE on Jackie Butler (with a side deal of Minny's second round pick for "future considerations" to ensure they don't match)

It should be noted:

Using the BAE on Butler only gets him for 2 years. We wouldn't have Bird Rights when that contract is over. We have Early Bird Rights but my CBA knowledge is really slipping lately (read: memory is failing) and I'm not sure.

Glenn

07-11-2006, 12:23 PM

The Pacers are reportedly close to acquring Bonzi in a S&T for Foster and Jasikevicius.

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1402

Pharaoh

07-11-2006, 12:27 PM

So I guess Bonzi will miss half the season through injury/suspension?

Isn't that a rule in Indiana?

Glenn

07-11-2006, 12:35 PM

Either Bernie's playing games or the "Brevin Knight to Detroit" dream is dead.

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/basketball/nba/charlotte_bobcats/15010327.htm

Bobcats coach-general manager Bernie Bickerstaff confirmed the Pistons called, inquiring about point guard Brevin Knight's availability in trade. Bickerstaff said there's nothing the Pistons would give up that interests the Bobcats. To justify trading Knight, Bickerstaff expects a future draft pick or a young player.

But don't we have those things, Bernie?

Kstat

07-11-2006, 12:46 PM

Yeah, but he knows Joe wouldn't deal the Orlando pick.

Pharaoh

07-11-2006, 12:47 PM

Bernie wants the Magic's pick but Joe wants to send him our own?

How about Davis, our 2007 pick and the Minny second rounder?

Kstat

07-11-2006, 12:48 PM

If Bernie's insisting on a valuable pick, we may as well give up and move on.

Glenn

07-11-2006, 12:49 PM

But if the 2007 is so deep and we're going to be so much worse this year, then our own pick should be pretty valuable then, right?

the wrath of diddy

07-11-2006, 03:13 PM

http://www.hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

Bonzi possibly to the Pacers for Foster and Sarunas.

Sooooo the Kings might be willing to take an underwhelming white C/PF and a crappy no d playing ferner PG for Bonzi. Might be nice to still have Darko and Arroyo right about now.

07-11-2006, 05:36 PM

I doubt Jordan let's Bernie deal with Joe.

Also WTF are the Pacers doing? Or the Kings for that matter? The Pacers won't have any size if this deal goes down. Unless they have a deal for Jackson in the works to get a bigger body. Why is Petrie trying to rebuild the Pacers in the Sac area.?

Cross

07-11-2006, 10:05 PM

Pacers are rumored to be interested in Jamaal Magloire.

they would probably trade Stephen Jackson or maybe add the Bucks in a 3 way involving Daniels and Croshere.

The Pacers possbiel lineup.

Magloire
Jermaine
Daniels
Wells
Tinsley

Kstat

07-11-2006, 10:42 PM

It was a BS rumor. Indiana has been denying it all day long.

Glenn

07-12-2006, 10:54 AM

Salmons headed to PHX in a S&T

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16910064&BRD=1671&PAG=461&dept_id=81422&rfi=6

PHILADELPHIA -- By as early as today, John Salmons could be an ex-Sixer.

A source close to the situation confirmed that the team is close to sending the guard to Phoenix in a sign-and-trade deal.

The Sixers would receive a second-round draft pick in 2007 and a trade exemption from the Suns.

Teams can sign free agents to contracts beginning today, and the Sixers are close to agreements with Shavlik Randolph and Willie Green, both of whom are restricted free agents.

Salmons, a restricted free agent acquired by the Sixers in a 2002 draft-night trade with San Antonio, averaged 7.5 points, 2.7 rebounds and 2.7 assists last season.

Pharaoh

07-12-2006, 11:37 AM

kdawg32086

07-14-2006, 05:13 PM

Pharaoh

07-15-2006, 03:16 AM

But you can trade the TE with a pick

Or Davis and a pick

detroitsportscity

07-15-2006, 10:07 AM

The Clippers are looking to sell Maggette cheap according to many rumors.

Kaman has not recieved an offer for an extenstion.

Maggette and Kaman for Rip and DD.

Works under the cap.

Bill D. would never sign off on it though, as he would have to sign extensions.

Cross

07-15-2006, 10:11 AM

Clips never do it lol. Kaman has had a few 20/20 nights and I doubt he gets traded.

I wouldnt do the trade. Mags is better as a 3 anyways.

Not related but Magg for Ricky Davis is flying around

detroitsportscity

07-15-2006, 10:31 AM

Rumor is that the Clips are asking for a late lotto pick and an expiring for Maggette.

And for some reason Kaman is supposed to be on the block too.

Anthony

07-15-2006, 12:20 PM

Davis and the Orlando pick for C Maggs. Do it Joe!!!!!!

the wrath of diddy

07-15-2006, 12:23 PM

Unless Joe decides to blow this thing up our off-season is over. We aren't trading Davis. We need his expiring contract to try and re-sign Chauncey. If we take on anymore salary Davidson will lowball Billups even more than he's already planning.

DrRay11

07-15-2006, 07:11 PM

Right, WoD. We won't make any more FA acquisitions, and if we do and don't have any expiring contracts, resigning Chauncey will be a major next offseason. Hopefully we don't fuck that up too. I like the deal, though, but it won't happen...

Uncle Mxy

07-15-2006, 07:26 PM

I'd love to get Kaman back in his home state.

Cross

07-15-2006, 08:57 PM

I dont see why Kaman's on the block though. Him Brand and Paul Davis could make a really solid 3 big man rotation. There is the chance of Paul Davis looking really good in summer league etc so they want to trade Kaman while he has somewhat value.

Davis and the Orl pick for Kaman do it!

Davis and the Orl pick for Maggette? I wouldnt do it unless a 3rd team was to be involved

Kstat

07-15-2006, 11:06 PM

Orlando pick for Kaman? No way.

He's good but not that good...

the wrath of diddy

07-15-2006, 11:08 PM

LOL. The way Joe drafts if we got Kaman for a pick that might be in the teens it'd be a huge steal.

detroitsportscity

07-15-2006, 11:40 PM

Cross

07-16-2006, 03:48 AM

Orlando pick for Kaman? No way.

He's good but not that good...

I'd do it in a fucking second(if we had the ability to lock him up long term).

The Orlando pick won't give us Oden, so if we can get an above average C for it, then we do it in a second.

Agreed. As a matter of fact, the Orlando pick wont give us a big that is nearly as good as Kaman. With the Det pick, we try to get a backup point.

07-16-2006, 06:01 PM

A second rounder + a trade exception?

How fucking big is the TE?

If they can get a contributor with a second round pick and a TE what can we get for:

Dale Davis + the Mo TE + our 2007 First?
Our 2007 First and the Mo TE?
Davis, the Minny Second, + the Mo TE?
Davis and the Mo TE?

Damn!

C'mon Joe! Get after it.

Actually...the answer is absolutely nothing. You can't combine players with trade exceptions in a trade. You can trade a TE for a player but not a TE and a player for a player.

Incorrect, you can trade a player with an exception, what you cannot do is combine the value then take back 125% of salary which I just learned. You can only take back the 125% of the players salary who is being combined with the TE.

So DD with the Mo TE is 5 million if we want to get a player back we can take back up to 5.875 million. So bottomline is you can trade players with TE's for players but you cannot exceed the player in the deal 125% margin.

What is not allowed is using two different exceptions for the same player. Here is something that is not allowed: A team has a $5 million player and a $1 million Traded Player exception from a previous trade, and wants to add the Traded Player exception to the 125% plus $100,000 margin from their $5 million player ($6,350,000), in order to trade for a player making $7,000,000. This cannot be done.

mercury

07-16-2006, 09:47 PM

Orlando pick for Kaman? No way.

He's good but not that good...

I'd do it in a fucking second(if we had the ability to lock him up long term).

He is a top 5-10 center in the NBA(as incredibly sad as that is to say):

Shaq
Ben
Yao
Camby
Big Z
Miller
Memo
Kaman

IMO

And for people under 30:
Yao
Memo
Kaman
Bogut

And Memo is softer than Charmin, making it possible for him to move up.

The Orlando pick won't give us Oden, so if we can get an above average C for it, then we do it in a second.

I don't think we'll have to give up a pick to land Kaman... he could land in our lap next year in a S&T
He's been quoted as saying he doesn't like all of the phonies in L.A.... I'm sure his family will be an influence.

Kaman would be a gr8 addition... watched several of his games at CMU... his ambidextrious shooting makes it extremely difficult to defend (ask Darko in last years SL).

All it takes is one team with cap space to scare L.A. into taking back unequal value in a S&T.

detroitsportscity

07-17-2006, 12:38 AM

Uncle Mxy

07-17-2006, 04:35 AM

Even if Kaman is dumb, he knows how to hang with the hotties:

http://www.geocities.com/corvenpage_miami2/Scripts/TeenAngels/Angels1.jpg

metr0man

07-17-2006, 02:36 PM

detroitsportscity

07-17-2006, 04:43 PM

Why are the CLips so eager to deal everybody? They just had this awesome season, a return to the playoffs... and... ? I could see one trade, to try and push them up one rung but that's it. Maggette and Kamen? wtf?

No idea.

Make a deal using Fino and Davis(and picks) for Kaman. Now that we have Flip, SuperDup, and Acker looking good in SL.

Or go with a Delfino, Davis, and a 2nd for Watson and Petro from Seattle.

Those sound reasonable?

Cross

07-18-2006, 01:35 AM

Seattle wont trade Petro until Wilcox is traded, or atleast thats my bet.

The Clippers most likely wont buy it, but from a Pistons point, it makes sense:)

detroitsportscity

07-18-2006, 09:34 AM

Seattle wont trade Petro until Wilcox is traded, or atleast thats my bet.

The Clippers most likely wont buy it, but from a Pistons point, it makes sense:)

I'm thinking that they have enough C prospects that they'd be willing to drop 1 or 2. I mean they have Swift, Petro, and Sene along with a couple of guys still overseas.

But yeah, might be after they keep/trade Wilcox(supposedly he'll be BYC so they might keep him for a year).

Glenn

07-19-2006, 10:50 AM

They were talking about a Camby/Andre Miller to Philly for Iverson rumor on Sporting News Radio this morning.

Apparently, Denver offered Kenyon/Miller and Philly said no thanks (as they should with KMart's knees, contract, attitude and duplication of Webber).

Camby/Dre for AI is interesting IMO...

Pharaoh

07-19-2006, 11:09 AM

Glenn

07-19-2006, 11:13 AM

I think I would do the KMart/Miller for AI deal if I were Denver though.

Shed KMart and his numerous issues and sell a shit load of tickets?

But there is a reason that Philly shot down that deal, and that reason is Martin.

They are going to have to take back another horrible, horrible contract to move him ANYWHERE.

Pharaoh

07-19-2006, 11:23 AM

I don't see him being moved, unless Boston sets something up.

Cross

07-19-2006, 09:59 PM

That would be a stupid move for Denver. Iverson + Melo? LMAO

They'd be better trading for Delfino and putting him at SG.

And didn't they just acquire JR Smith? Go with the young, cheap guy.

Any team that trades for Iverson is fucking stupid. He costs, shoots and fucks up far too much IMO.

I heard on ESPN George Karl has a way to get Melo and Iverson to work together or something. I don't see how that's possible

detroitsportscity

07-20-2006, 12:09 AM

Zekyl

07-20-2006, 10:21 AM

Glenn

07-28-2006, 01:52 PM

I posted this is the Magloire thread, but thought it would be good here too so people don't miss it.

Trade rumor Magloire to the Blazers

http://www.1080thefan.com/goout.asp?u=http://ian1080.blogspot.com/

Blazer trade winds blowing??
I vowed no Blazer talk for awhile, but when the people you trust around the NBA tell you something, and these people have been bang on right in the past (for example the trade deadline deal when we were the first on 1080 The Fan to tell you the Kings were involved and it was a four team deal) you have to pass it along, so here goes.

Potential trade being discussed: Portland sends Steve Blake, Brian Skinner, and Ha Seung-Jin to Milwaukee for Jamaal Magloire.

Will it happen? Maybe. Hard to say but I do know the discussions between the two teams have taken place. If it doesn't, there will be denials and spinning coming from One Center Court, but I will stand by this, the Bucks and Blazers have discussed this deal.

What does it mean? A lot. This is where it gets interesting. It could mean Paul Allen is back in the game so to speak, and will continue to own the team because one guess is they would try to re-sign Magloire, which PA needs to ok. Also, Blake is a "Nash guy" brought in by the former GM, and easy to get rid of since there is a logjam at the PG position. All of a sudden the Blazers are not as overwhelmed at the point guard position, and and have some quality depth in the frontcourt. That frontcourt depth is also very flexible with multiple players who can play the four or the five.

Stay tuned.......

giffman

07-28-2006, 03:40 PM