http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_3897710


Expect Detroit to add a scoring swingman in free agency. Keep an eye on Sacramento free agent Bonzi Wells.


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http://www.mlive.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/sports-1/114941580963030.xml&coll=1&thispage=2


The Pistons are probably going to use some or all of their mid-level salary cap exception to find a backup to Billups, who looked worn down physically and mentally in the playoffs. Billups played more minutes this season than ever in his career, and the heavy workload appeared to take a toll on him in the playoffs

Are we allowed to discuss in this thread? If so, I would crap my self if we could some how land Bonzi




(as long as Ben stays a piston)

So long as we sign him to a 1-year deal.....

Anybody that thinks Bonzi will wear himself out like that in a non-contract year is fooling themselves.

So long as we sign him to a 1-year deal.....

Anybody that thinks Bonzi will wear himself out like that in a non-contract year is fooling themselves.

^^ Agree 100%. He's the next contract year guy to get paid big only to go back to normal, I really don't want him, unless the years are low or the price is right.

The Pistons are likely to make a run at free agent Bonzi Wells, a former Pistons draft pick, who played in Sacramento last season. Other free agents who would fit the need would be former Piston Mike James, recently of Toronto (although he might command too much money), Philadelphia's John Salmons and Memphis' Bobby Jackson.
A player such as Portland's Juan Dixon also could interest the Pistons, although his contract runs through 2008 so they would have to broker a trade.

http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060606/SPORTS0102/606060319/1127


I would personally shit my self if we landed Jackson.

Jackson's a shell of what he used to be. I wouldnt spend a dime on him.

If we landed Juan Dixon, I probably WOULD shit myself.....

What are you talking about? His numbers this year are right on par with the rest of his career. He's a back up PG. It dosnt get much better than him. Atleast not this offseason.

%38 from the field. That's what I'm talking about. He doesnt have the lift he used to, and his mid-range jumpers fall short.

He's turned into a spot-up 3-point shooter instead of the slasher he used to be. I don't think there's another reserve guard in the NBA that took more threes than he did last year. We need scoring in the paint, not a bigger tony delk.

So long as we sign him to a 1-year deal.....

Anybody that thinks Bonzi will wear himself out like that in a non-contract year is fooling themselves.

^^ Agree 100%. He's the next contract year guy to get paid big only to go back to normal, I really don't want him, unless the years are low or the price is right.

Bonzi going back to normal (on the court) is still a bargain for the MLE. He's got a career average of 13ppg. He averaged 13.6ppg this year.

So long as we sign him to a 1-year deal.....

Anybody that thinks Bonzi will wear himself out like that in a non-contract year is fooling themselves.

^^ Agree 100%. He's the next contract year guy to get paid big only to go back to normal, I really don't want him, unless the years are low or the price is right.

Bonzi going back to normal (on the court) is still a bargain for the MLE. He's got a career average of 13ppg. He averaged 13.6ppg this year.

IIIIFFFFFFFF you could get him for the MLE. More than likely the Pistons would have to broker a deal. The guy that goes insane in the playoffs rarely ever gets peanuts. Hell, even Speedy Claxton got 3 mil a season.

Grant Hill as backup PG would be awesome.

i'd love if we could convince Bonzi to come off the bench here. he tore it up vs the Spurs in the first round:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3254

I dont like the idea of Bonzi at all. Too many rumors around the league that he is a headach and wants to be the man somewhere. Personally, I like Speedy Claxton and Grant Hill. Also, I would like them to find a shooter. Maybe Delfino can fit that bill but we need someone to come in off the bench that can stroke the ball

Zack Randolf would help our scoring inside but I'm not sure about his D. Teaming him and sheed as defensive big men might not be a good idea...but our O would certainly improve.

As long as Bonzi is healthy, I'd go for it.

I'm going to ask Bobby Jackson if he'd consider Detroit the next time I see him. Not that I'd get the truth, but it'd be interesting to see what he says.

Grant Hill as backup PG would be awesome.

Next to JoeD, Grant Hill prolly did more to bring a championship to Detroit than anyone. Thanks for leaving Grant. He was unstoppable back in the day and would be have a huge bench presence, imo.

and Matt ... nice edit on "I still believe" sentence. ...in next season...lol

:D

I split off some stuff that was trade related, as opposed to free agency related, into a new thread.

Thanks bye.

Thats why you're a syndicate member

Some of us have speculated that Jared Jeffries might be somebody that Joe would be interested in.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/18/AR2006061800794.html


Wizards Notes: Several teams have shown interest in restricted free agent Jared Jeffries, but according to one league source who was in Orlando for the pre-draft camp, teams are not optimistic about landing Jeffries because they believe the Wizards plan to match any reasonable offer. Jeffries has averaged 6.1 points and 4.8 rebounds in four seasons with the Wizards and has carved out a role for himself as the team's best all-around defender. The free agency period opens July 1.

Jeffries would be a great fall-back option if we don't get BOnzi Wells.

Jeffries would be awful. He has absolutely zero offensive game. His eFG percentage on jumpshots this year was 30%. For comparison, both Delfino and Hunter were just over 40%. And we complain about their jumpers being busted.

Trust me, we want no part of this guy.

washington will match any reasonable offer for him anyway. so he's not going anywhere to begin with IMO.

Can't say that I would advocate Jeffries when we have Al Harrington AND Bonzi wells as free agents. I really do hope that Joe pursues at least one of these two players.

Both Wells and Harrington should get more than the MLE.

Maybe we could swing a S&T, but that depends on the starting salary.

Davis + Evans = $5,000,000 + 125% = $6,250,000

I wonder if either would want more than that...

Both Wells and Harrington should get more than the MLE.

Maybe we could swing a S&T, but that depends on the starting salary.

Davis + Evans = $5,000,000 + 125% = $6,250,000

I wonder if either would want more than that...

this seems like one of those "i hope he takes less money to play for a contender" scenarios......i'd be ecstatic if we could sign either for that amount.

I still think a PG is priority #1. If we blow our entire exception on a SG/SF we're stuck without a PG yet again. Who knows what Lindsey is going to do (He should be a 3rd stringer either way), and it's clear that Flip is against Delk at the Point. At least if we spend the MLE on a PG we have Delfino and *shudder* Evans at SG/SF.

IMO, we're going to have to get incredibly lucky to fill both needs (PG and Scoring swingman) this offseason. I don't see us trading Dale (with Cato and Darko gone), so we don't have any decent sized contracts to move in order to get a quality player back.

Pistons president Joe Dumars confirmed he had interviewed Terry Porter (former Bucks coach) and Jim O'Brien (former Celtics and 76ers coach) for assistant-coaching spots on Flip Saunders ' staff. The Pistons are looking to hire both, which would give the bench a lot of clout.

http://detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060623/SPORTS0102/606230327/1004/SPORTS

Pistons president Joe Dumars confirmed he had interviewed Terry Porter (former Bucks coach) and Jim O'Brien (former Celtics and 76ers coach) for assistant-coaching spots on Flip Saunders ' staff. The Pistons are looking to hire both, which would give the bench a lot of clout.

http://detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060623/SPORTS0102/606230327/1004/SPORTS


Oh shit, not The Leprechaun!!
http://www.basket-plus.com/images/NBA/JimOBrien.jpg

Didn't he pull some bush league move against us when he was coaching the Sixers? Well, at least his father in law (Dr. Jack Ramsey) might like us better if we hire him.



EDIT: I wonder if Obie can score in the paint??




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talked to my guy at the palace today and he was talking about chucky atkins. Is he an URFA?

Yeah CA is a UFA, I am not sure he will want come cheap and not sure we wouldn't be better off with Delk all things being equal.

talked to my guy at the palace today and he was talking about chucky atkins. Is he an URFA?

Yea, he's unrestricted, but why would we want him? I'd much rather throw money at Speedy, Banks, etc. We already know that Chucky isn't going to run the offense very well or play D. He's a streaky shooter, and that's about it.

I'd offer Marcus Banks the full MLE and see how the Wolves react.

With Jaric + Hudson signed at failry big salaries I doubt they'd be willing to match that offer for Banks.

And if they do fuck 'em. We don't have to wait 15 days anymore so it's no big deal.

Wow, you're really high on Banks.

I remember that being the case when we were discussing the Wally-Ricky trade a while back, so you are nothing if not consistent.

You only do Banks at the MLE if you're thinking of dealing Chauncey next year. Banks isn't going to want to be Chauncey's backup for the next 3+ years, and there's a few teams that would want to start him and pay him.

I still think a PG is priority #1. If we blow our entire exception on a SG/SF we're stuck without a PG yet again. Who knows what Lindsey is going to do (He should be a 3rd stringer either way), and it's clear that Flip is against Delk at the Point. At least if we spend the MLE on a PG we have Delfino and *shudder* Evans at SG/SF.

IMO, we're going to have to get incredibly lucky to fill both needs (PG and Scoring swingman) this offseason. I don't see us trading Dale (with Cato and Darko gone), so we don't have any decent sized contracts to move in order to get a quality player back.

here's what i'm wondering......Joe D made is clear we want to bolser our bench. towards the end of last season when Flip was giving Delk substantial minutes, him and Dice were putting up like 20 ppg together.

back then i was wondering, do we need a "pure" PG on our bench? if we have Delk, Delfino, *insert SF that's not named Evans*, and Dice playing good minutes, we're looking a a 20+ ppg bench. that's very good and something we could have really used during this past playoffs.

i'm not saying we should stand pat with our bench roster, but if we end up keeping Delk, i personally wouldn't mind, as long as Flip's willing to give him the minutes. of course, if there is a slashing/penetrating PG out there we can get, that i'm all for that. does Banks play that role?

here's what i'm wondering......Joe D made is clear we want to bolser our bench. towards the end of last season when Flip was giving Delk substantial minutes, him and Dice were putting up like 20 ppg together.

back then i was wondering, do we need a "pure" PG on our bench? if we have Delk, Delfino, *insert SF that's not named Evans*, and Dice playing good minutes, we're looking a a 20+ ppg bench. that's very good and something we could have really used during this past playoffs.

Yea, I was saying ever since we got Delk mid-season that we should have been seeing a main bench rotation of...

PG- Delk (13 minutes)
SG- Delfino (8 minutes) / Delk (5 minutes)
SF- Delfino (13 minutes)
PF- Dice (22 minutes)
C- Dale (5-7 minutes)

I have always thought that Delk could easily work well at PG in certain situations. Let either Delfino or Tayshaun (whoever's on the floor) share some of the duties running the offense, and let Delk play the scorer role instead of the playmaker (which is Delfino's specialty, not scoring). It's all about putting a player where they're most comfortable. You can't just force guys into roles that they aren't used to and expect it to work.

I definately think you're right that we don't need a "true" PG. But they have to be able to at least do one or the other (scoring or dishing). Lindsey can't. That's where we run into a problem. Therefor, I think Delk would be fine as our main backup PG, but that's only if he's used properly (to guard PGs, but play a shooters role in the O). I'm not confident that Flip will see that though.



of course, if there is a slashing/penetrating PG out there we can get, that i'm all for that. does Banks play that role?

That's him. He's quick and explosive at breaking down the D and getting to the rim. He's not a great set shooter, but he's very good at scoring around the rim or creating his own jumpshot. Plus he's young and he's some fresh blood that is probably hungry for wins after years in Boston and Minny.

How bad is Ainge going to look (again) if Banks turns out to be as good as some here think he will be?

He tried forever to get rid of Banks (didn't he even deal him out west in a deal that fell through?) and finally did so.

What is Danny's #1 offseason priority this summer, yep, finding a PG.

I agree that Banks could be ready to break out (Chauncey II)... ironic if we get Banks for the same reasons as C.B.... and McHale is left with the gimps/big salaries... something about sticking it to McHale puts a smile on the face.
We still have to wait on Delk's decision.

I think Banks was originally part of the deal that sent Kwame Brown to the Lakers.

Banks has sucked everywhere he's been. Chauncey Billups? Please.

I think Banks was originally part of the deal that sent Kwame Brown to the Lakers.
Banks was originally part of the trade for Gary Payton.

GD - I'm not super high on Banks.

I just see a young guy that hasn't really been given a real chance to shine (until he started in Minny)

The guy can play D, is quick and obviously has some balls.

Offer him the MLE.

Worst Case Scenario for Us? Minny matches it and is fucked salary wise at PG for the next 5 years. (Jaric expires in 2011! and they have Hudson until 2010 if memory serves)

If they don't match we get him. He'd be the back-up PG we need, plus he's insurance if Billups gets stupid with his contract demands.

I doubt that happens, so here's what I was thinking:

Delfino/Evans are coming to the end of their contracts soon.

If we lose both (or don't want to keep them) we'd still have Banks, Billups and Rip at G.

Nice 3-guard rotation.

It's not like we're paying a truckload of money for a bum.

Oh, if you hate Banks you might consider full MLE a waste of money, I guess.

Pistons president Joe Dumars confirmed he had interviewed Terry Porter (former Bucks coach) and Jim O'Brien (former Celtics and 76ers coach) for assistant-coaching spots on Flip Saunders ' staff. The Pistons are looking to hire both, which would give the bench a lot of clout.

http://detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060623/SPORTS0102/606230327/1004/SPORTS


Oh shit, not The Leprechaun!!
http://www.basket-plus.com/images/NBA/JimOBrien.jpg

Didn't he pull some bush league move against us when he was coaching the Sixers? Well, at least his father in law (Dr. Jack Ramsey) might like us better if we hire him.



EDIT: I wonder if Obie can score in the paint??




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FWIW there is a small chance that Cato could come back. A lot of that has to do with Ben, DD and the Market. Joe would be willing to give him DD money if Ben is moved or leaves or if DD is traded.

Although the hang up may be that Cato is being told he is an MLE player by those close to him.

No link or source beyond my own sorry, I am posting it though because teams have called about DD.

Joe should left them both go (DD and Cato). Though DD only if he gets something for him.

I wouldn't be opposed to being back Cato if we moved Davis in a package.

He'd be that big body that sits on the bench while Flip looks the other way.

My cousin is 6'8" and weighs approx 250 pounds.

If Joe signs him for the minimum I'll help him wave the towel for free!

With Evans being moved for a pick and a 1.5 million dollar TE, we also have a TE from the Cato deal of about 600-800k look for Detroit to call PHX about James Jones who PHX wants to dump for space. The TE's can be waived to clear space so it makes sense for both sides.

James Jones, Defino and Dice are nice foundation, it allows us to either get another Big to help with post scoring and rebounding or to use it to land a PG.

With Evans being moved for a pick and a 1.5 million dollar TE, we also have a TE from the Cato deal of about 600-800k look for Detroit to call PHX about James Jones who PHX wants to dump for space. The TE's can be waived to clear space so it makes sense for both sides.

James Jones, Defino and Dice are nice foundation, it allows us to either get another Big to help with post scoring and rebounding or to use it to land a PG.

Insider info? speculation?

James Jones is interesting. On paper he's a good fit. Legit SF size and can stretch the D, but he has issues with confidence. He goes through weeks at a time where he can't buy a bucket. Even with the wide open looks he got in Phoenix. I'd bring him in if that were the deal though. We don't have to touch the MLE or LLE and we still get some insurance at SF. It worries me that he seems pretty similar to Evans though. A shooter and not much else. He had a great start to the season and then the bottom just fell out.

Somewhat, Phx is looking to clear a little cash, Detroit wanted Jones last season but Indy would have matched the offer we made. Jones wanted to come here, he liked the situation. The three teams who were in the running last season were SA, Detroit and PHX.

From what I heard Joe likes JJ and had limited talks with PHX on draft day, but PHX did not want Evans or anyone back. So now that we have the TE to make a deal it seems to make sense.

Somewhat, Phx is looking to clear a little cash, Detroit wanted Jones last season but Indy would have matched the offer we made. Jones wanted to come here, he liked the situation. The three teams who were in the running last season were SA, Detroit and PHX.

From what I heard Joe likes JJ and had limited talks with PHX on draft day, but PHX did not want Evans or anyone back. So now that we have the TE to make a deal it seems to make sense.

OK... Just noticed an AZ republic article printed today....

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/sports/articles/0630suns0630.html



The possibility of James Jones being dealt this summer for monetary reasons seems far more doubtful now that the Suns did not land the swingman that they desired in Wednesday's draft - namely Thabo Sefolosha, but also Rodney Carney or Ronnie Brewer. It also squelched Marion trade talks, which got hot this month.

Still a possibility though, I'm guessing. You never know what could happen.

Most Trade Exceptions cannot be combined, though.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#72


If a team has Traded Player exceptions from two previous non-simultaneous trades, then they can't combine them into one big Traded Player exception. For example, suppose in the last year a team traded a $5 million player for a $4 million player (generating a $1.1 million Traded Player exception) and separately traded a $3 million player for a $1 million player (generating a $2.1 million Traded Player exception). They cannot now combine the two into a $3.2 million Traded Player exception).

Maybe we can send Acker or a non guarenteed deal to PHX.

I am in complete agreement about offering Banks the MLE. I think we all have to consider the financial constraints that Joe D has to work with in Bill Davidson's salary cap demands. This would give us a great backup, plenty of rest for Billups, time for him to play off guard as well, and leverage when CBill is a free agent. Believe me, it will be nice to have a seasoned vet on the roster if CBill gets Arn Tellem to play chicken with us. Besides, I think that Banks and Delfino would make a great bench combo. I also like Dice in their as well, but I am still going to be concerned with our depth at C. Maybe using the BAE on a one year player so that we can combine his salary with Dale Davis at the trade deadline...

I think Marcus Banks might very well be our worst MLE signing ever if we pay him that much.

The guy is simply not worth $5 million to be a backup PG for 15 minutes a game.

He's not even worth $3 million.

Stab in the dark idea if Arn Tellem says Ben is going to leave.

S&T Ben (13-14 mill starting) to Memphis for Mike Miller (7.5), Stro Swift (5.4 mill) (just acquired from Houston), and Jake Tsakalidis (2.9 mill expiring deal). We would get our depth at guard, let Swift compete in the frontcourt with Dice, and use Dale Davis, and big Jake as a lure to get someone else to help at the trade deadline. Add in the that we would still be able to use the MLE.
Memphis would have to look at this deal if they could start Ben, Gasol, Gay, Jones, and Stoudamire.

I don't think Stro could be traded. could he?

I don't even think the Gay to Memphis trade is official yet, so why not?

But once that Gay trade is official I don't think Swift can be packaged for a certain period of time.

And maybe Banks isn't the greatest option at back-up PG, but if we sign a SG/SF then what becomes of Amir and Delfino?

We'd roadblock them for the next 4 years, meaning we likely lose one (if not both) players when their deals run out.

And if we offered Banks $3mil the Wolves would match. Actually, he wouldn't even sign that, since he's likely to get more money elsewhere.

We'd have to pay him market value, or go after someone else like Claxton.

Unless you want the SG/SF, then we're talking about a whole different group of players (that doesn't include Wells cause he'll get more than the MLE IMO)

Unless you want the SG/SF, then we're talking about a whole different group of players (that doesn't include Wells cause he'll get more than the MLE IMO) The same teams that can bid on Ben can bid on Bonzi. All of the contenders except Chicago if you consider them one are all stuck with using the MLE.

Bonzi will go where he wants to go, not for money IMO. Chicago has bigger needs than a $7+ million swingman, and the other teams are :eek:[smilie=sad3.gif][smilie=sayitaintso:[smilie=dissed.gif].

And yes, getting Bonzi is the kiss of death for Delfino. He couldn't beat out Mo, he ain't gunna beat out a $5 million dollar Wells.

Bonzi will go where the money is.

Bonzi's optionsa:

Go to a shitty team for big money

or

Do a sign and trade with Sacramento for more than the MLE to a team of his choice

or

Stay with the Kings for more than the MLE.

In terms of Stro, isn't there a 24-48 hour window where in which a player can be moved without restrictions with other players after being dealt in a seperate trade? Also techinically if the deal is not done yet we still could get in on the Memphis end and they could call it a three tean deal instead of two trades.

Well, if its true that we are going to land Przbilla for the MLE, then I hope Joe either S&Ts Cato, or resigns him so that we can move Dale + Cato at the deadline.

Let's hope there is a market for Cato if there is he is our only hope to S&T. Ben gone we now have some huge holes.

Well as funny as this may seem. We really should consider one of two things. I wouldn't mind and S&T of Prz for Cato. Then we could still use the MLE. Portland probably will need a C now. I also wouldn't mind a Cato for Wells swap, but there isn't really much incentive for Sac on that one. Of course Al Harrington would rule

I wonder if Boozer is available.

What I do know is that our picks for 2006 should be sacred.

Well as funny as this may seem. We really should consider one of two things. I wouldn't mind and S&T of Prz for Cato. Then we could still use the MLE. Portland probably will need a C now. I also wouldn't mind a Cato for Wells swap, but there isn't really much incentive for Sac on that one. Of course Al Harrington would rule

I wonder if Boozer is available.

What I do know is that our picks for 2006 should be sacred.

Pryz for Cato.

Wells for MLE.

Get Brown in S+T for Ben.

Davis and change for Earl Watson.

Then we aren't completely fucked. We could actually be OK.

As I posted in another thread, why would Chicago help us do that?

As I posted in another thread, why would Chicago help us do that?

To drop Chandler's contract. They could sign Wilcox, Harrington, whomever, if they drop his contract, but if they don't, then they are stuck with him and a player at about 1.5 mil a year.

As I posted in another thread, why would Chicago help us do that?

To drop Chandler's contract. They could sign Wilcox, Harrington, whomever, if they drop his contract, but if they don't, then they are stuck with him and a player at about 1.5 mil a year.


THey're going to drop Chandler's contract anyway to new orleans for PJ Brown.

Well as funny as this may seem. We really should consider one of two things. I wouldn't mind and S&T of Prz for Cato. Then we could still use the MLE. Portland probably will need a C now. I also wouldn't mind a Cato for Wells swap, but there isn't really much incentive for Sac on that one. Of course Al Harrington would rule

I wonder if Boozer is available.

What I do know is that our picks for 2006 should be sacred.

I really doubt Cato has any value to our team at all, as a matter of fact, to any team at all. his contract expired which makes him even more useless.

Portland has Raef LaFrentz and Aldridge who could make a solid big man rotation. Actually I take that back but I'm sure Portland doesnt need Cato any more than we do.

As I posted in another thread, why would Chicago help us do that?

To drop Chandler's contract. They could sign Wilcox, Harrington, whomever, if they drop his contract, but if they don't, then they are stuck with him and a player at about 1.5 mil a year.


THey're going to drop Chandler's contract anyway to new orleans for PJ Brown.

Which is better for them long term I guess, but still prevents them from doing anything this year in FA.

The question should be would Cato agree to a small deal like 1 year 8 million to be a pawn? I think he could but might want to be used either. Too bad Houston dealt Swift, Cato and Houston liked each other it might have worked.

IF Bonzi's already told us no, then yes, he's better than anyone else out there.

it will be interesting to see how much Bonzi gets

We don't have anything else to trade but I'd love to get Bonzi some how

Cato is worthless, fat garbage.

At this stage, I still really think that Joe D should pursue Al Harrington pretty hard. Basically tell him that Sheed will start at C, regardless of what they do with Nazr. He is said to be looking at 10 mill starting, is 26, and has a good overall game to play both forward spots. I say that we should let that future belong to Tay, Al, and Amir if he can. Moving Dice and Dale is enough to get the deal done. Dice will likely opt out next year and sign with someone for the MLE next season anyway. Atlanta would actually probably like to add 2 quality bigmen to their roster, a bunch of toughness to add to Shelden and Marvin Williams, AND all expiring contracts. We would resign Cato as a backup for a season.

The part of this trade that I like would be that we would have Sheed's replacement at PF already, and that he would be in prime when Sheed's deal expired. We would also then be able to move Sheed a season earlier when he had an expiring deal.

...and Atlanta accepts Dale+Dice because......

I'm sure Atlanta can get better from Indiana.

I say that we should let that future belong to Tay, Al, and Amir if he can.

But they all play the 3...except Al can play a bit of 4.

We can't get Al now. We dont have anything they would want. Throw Sheed back to ATL? Nah thats not happening.

Detroit expects to add one more free agent this offseason -- paying a player about $1 million next season with its biannual exception -- and might look to bring in a wing player to come off the bench to give shooting guard Richard Hamilton and small forward Tayshaun Prince more of a break than they've had in recent years.

Via Sportsillustrated.

Who would that be?

Detroit expects to add one more free agent this offseason -- paying a player about $1 million next season with its biannual exception -- and might look to bring in a wing player to come off the bench to give shooting guard Richard Hamilton and small forward Tayshaun Prince more of a break than they've had in recent years.
Via Sportsillustrated.

Who would that be?

for $1M, maybe they can sign Air Up There, in your sig....

That would be entertaining to see.

It always was a dream for and1 players to make the NBA. unfortunately, only 1 has made it.

Jumaine Jones
Flip Murray (longshot)
Demarr Johnson
Greg Buckner
David Wesley
Deshawn Stevenson
Nick Van Exel

That's pretty much the list of non-big name unrestricted FA SG/SFs.

Deshawn Stevenson would be the ideal fit for the BAE. He can slash, which is something the others can't do.

DeShawn is suppose to resign with the Magic.

I always thought he was an athletic player along with Demarr.

If Deshawn re-signs go after Ariza even though he is restricted. I mean the Magic would have Hedo, Redick, Hill (cough cough or lol), Deshawn and Dooling for the 2/3 spot, even w/o Hill there is a log jam, if they want to match then we trade a future second with TE and keep the BAE. There are options not all appealing but if people did some thinking they would see the situation is bad but not dire.

...and Atlanta accepts Dale+Dice because......

I'm sure Atlanta can get better from Indiana.

Yeah like Fred Jones..OMG YEAH!

They wouldnt trade S. Jackson..that was the trade the made originally

Danny Granger is untouchable in this instance

No Tinsley either because they are set with Salim Stoudemire and Speedy. Maybe a big like Foster butId take Cato over Foster:)

$1,000,000?

WTF?

The Bi-Annual Exception has a starting salary of $1,800,000.

Big fucking difference.

It's more than the veteran's minimum ($1,100,000 last season), which could allow us to grab a guy that other teams want for the minimum.

Like Jumaine Jones or David Wesley.

I'd rather just trade Dale Davis and a future first (NOT 2007 and certainly Lotto protected for a while) to Phoenix for James Jones.

They're really getting fucked by the tax, so they might be willing to take Dale's expiring deal.

After the trade we re-sign Cato for a year to the minimum or use the BAE and suffer with him for 2 seasons as the insurance big man.

didn't Cato want 8 mil per season for 5 years or sth ? :lol:

i like the James Jones idea

I don't know why we didn't just pay Cato as opposed to Mohammed.

I don't know why we didn't just pay Cato as opposed to Mohammed.

Mohammed is more athletic?

We can still trade Cato, because we've got his bird rights, so we wanted the trading chip?

Though it would seem to make more sense to play him at C, and add someone with the MLE, IDK.

Maybe he sucks for chemistry and they want to ship him out?

I don't know why we didn't just pay Cato as opposed to Mohammed.

See: "garbage, fat"

If we decide we want to go the superstar foul-magnet route... Rip/Dice for AI. :nods:

If we aren't looking to get Al Harrington, a very solid other option for us would be Chris Wilcox. Of course, we should have waited before getting Nazr so we could use the MLE on someone else, but Wilcox is a capable big, and is pretty cheap with a great upside. The sonics offered less than 6 years and 42 mill, and are now exploring a S&T. I think we could definitely oblige them with Dale, our trade exemption, Maxiell, and a future first rounder with lotto protection (not in 07). The other great thing about this is that we wouldn't have to bring back Dice next season. I personally love this deal. If you want a little more evidence of what he can do, look at how he played with the Clips when Brand was out.

Wilcox is only 24, wouldn't be forced to start this season, and is athletic has hell. Seattle would get an expiring deal, a trade exemption, Maxiell, and a future first rounder.

i honestly have seen almost nothing of wilcox, but he sounds good to me.

Wilcox=lots of talent, lazy bum. Legendary bad practice habits.

He strikes me as a guy that is after the cash and could care less about winning.

What's the deal with Ronald "Flip" Murray? Some speculation he's the one the Pistons are seriously looking at?

Like they need another shooter.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060708/SPORTS08/607080318/1129/SPORTS0104

Flips been known as a horrible shooter. Well inconsistent is the better word.

He is a slasher and can finish. He obviously couldnt play in Cleveland so might as well give Flip a chance for the LLE.

We need another shooter like we need more bulls fans.

Flips been known as a horrible shooter. Well inconsistent is the better word.

He is a slasher and can finish. He obviously couldnt play in Cleveland so might as well give Flip a chance for the LLE.
unfortunately he isnt that great a finisher and has that carlos arryo tendency to force it up into the defenders hands. [smilie=grumble.gif]

He's a very good finisher. Not great, but very good.

Brevin Knight to Detroit?


The Pistons have narrowed their search for another wing scorer to three candidates -- Cleveland's Flip Murray , and former Pistons Chucky Atkins and Tony Delk . The Pistons are offering their bi-annual exception, which is a two-year deal worth $3.5 million.

In the event that all three options fall through, the Pistons also are contemplating acquiring Bobcats veteran point guard Brevin Knight . The Pistons likely would offer Dale Davis in a trade. Both players are in the final year of their contracts.



http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060710/SPORTS0102/607100407/1127

Dale and our 1st rounder would definately get a deal done. They don't need Brevin.

trade for Brevin and sign Flip, and I'm happy with our team.

Flip can't play D. I'd much rather use the BAE on Delk.

Flip can't play D. I'd much rather use the BAE on Delk.

the whole suns team couldnt play defense for shit, they did well. I think having one bench player who doesnt play D would be alright:)

we need Flip's scoring mroe than we need defense off the bench, which knight would provide anyway.

Bottom line: Flip would cause more problems for the other guy trying to stop him. He's a tough player when used correctly, which the cavs didn't.

With the loss of Ben's helpside D, I think we need Knight's ability to avoid being beaten off the dribble than we need Delk's 3 pointers.

EDIT: In other words, I completely disagree with Kstat (... so I know my opinion must be popular around here).

i'd take both...Dale for Knight and sign Delk with the BAE...Knight would be a steal, he's still a starting caliber PG, so Chauncey could spend some time at the 2, and Delk played very well, comes in shots high% when giving minutes, and he can defend some unlike Flip...

i'd take both...Dale for Knight and sign Delk with the BAE...Knight would be a steal, he's still a starting caliber PG, so Chauncey could spend some time at the 2, and Delk played very well, comes in shots high% when giving minutes, and he can defend some unlike Flip...

So at 1, we could potentially have Delk hunter Billups and blalock/acker

Like I mentioned earlier, we really need a swingman who can play 2 and 3. Flip can play the 3 and clearly back up Tay while Delfino could back up Rip

if we could grab a SF like Jumaine Jones or Rasual Butler with the BAE i would prefer that too, but i doubt it...regardless of what happens with the BAE, getting Knight would be huge...are you sure Flip can play the 3? isnt he sth like 6-3 only?

Davis and a 2nd for Knight.

Sign Rasual Butler with the BAE.

Davis and a 2nd for Knight.

Sign Rasual Butler with the BAE.

That leaves us short on bigs, IMO.

Very thin.

If we dealt Davis for Knight we could always re-sign Cato using his Bird Rights.

Give him a 3-year deal, with a team option after the first season. IF that option is picked up the third season also becomes guaranteed.

(Basically, the same contract Joe gave Zeljiko Rebraca when we signed him)

OR give Cato the kind of contract Philly gave Amal McCaskill back when we traded Corliss. McCaskill got a 3-year deal, but only the first season was guaranteed.

The 5th big is around for insurance and only insurance IMO. As it stands right now we are planning on using Sheed, Dice and Nazr as the 3 main guys, with Maxiell getting whatever minutes are left.

No point having a valuable expiring contract on the books when it's obvious we need other pieces. Knight would bring a huge boost to the bench and could certainly make the guys around him better.

We'd still have a problem on the wings though, unless you believe that Delfino can handle SF and SG all season.

Of course, you might believe that Amir and Acker could cover the bases if Delfino got hurt.

Davis and a 2nd for Knight.

Sign Rasual Butler with the BAE.

That leaves us short on bigs, IMO.

Very thin.

Then either resign Cato, or S+T Cato for some other big.

Nazr is a foul machine. I think we need to keep either Dale or Cato around, and I'd prefer Dale.

Maybe we could get Francisisco Elson?

I doubt it but he'd be a big that probably wont ask for much

Maybe we could get Francisisco Elson?

I doubt it but he'd be a big that probably wont ask for much

Elson, Evans, Butler, and Ely are the bigs with (any) talent left, that we could get.

Ely, Elson, and Butler are restricted though, I believe.

We could probably get elson or Evans from Denver, doubt they'll resign both of them

I wouldn't be surprised if Denver lost both.

The Nugs have Camby, Nene and K-Mart on the books and all have massive salaries. I doubt any team is dreaming about taking Martin off their hands, so that likely leaves Elson and Reggie out in the cold.

I doubt we could get either for the BAE though, because at that price Denver should match on Elson and I ould imagine Reggie could get a better offer elsewhere.

If Lindsey Hunter can get $2mil+ why can't Reggie Evans?

I would love to see Evans come for the BAE. Helluva a lot better than either DD or Cato. It won't happen though.

Is Reggie Evans even worth looking at though?

Isn't Maxiell basically going to play that role?

I'd hate to see us sign a guy and roadblock Mad Max.

Much rather we signed a PG with the BAE.

David Wesley is probably one "name" that could be mentioned for the BAE, though I don't know how well he played last season for the Rockets.

At 6'8" I think Evans probably would be too much of a duplication of Maxiell. He also is a 54% career FT shooter, and I'm not sure we need more of that. Despite that, I think someone in need of toughness is going to overpay for him a bit, more than the BAE, at least.

Well, like I said:

If Lindsey Hunter can score $2mil+ then Evans should be able to get more than that from someone.

To be honest I don't what I talking about anymore or why I am wasting time thinking about the fantasy trade and signings of our off season since Joe isn't going to do anything that matters. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Rodney White is signed with the BAE.

LOL

I think you're coming up with some nice options, J.

Hopefully your assertion about Joe's inactivity isn't true.

I wouldn't be surprised if we only signed Nik Caner-Medley (or whatever his name is) and that's it.

Sheed/Nazr/Davis
Dice/Maxiell
Prince/Amir/NCM
Rip/Delfino/Acker
Billups/Hunter/Blalock

That's 15 and we didn't spend the BAE.

I wouldn't be surprised if we only signed Nik Caner-Medley (or whatever his name is) and that's it.

Sheed/Nazr/Davis
Dice/Maxiell
Prince/Amir/NCM
Rip/Delfino/Acker
Billups/Hunter/Blalock

That's 15 and we didn't spend the BAE.


This lineup sucks, flat out. We need another big guy and a slasher. This team wont do shit in the playoffs unless our backcourt(Sheed Included) gets hot and starts raining 3's, thats seriously are only chance. Snaq will go for 50/30/8 against that crew.

I wouldn't be surprised if we only signed Nik Caner-Medley (or whatever his name is) and that's it.

Sheed/Nazr/Davis
Dice/Maxiell
Prince/Amir/NCM
Rip/Delfino/Acker
Billups/Hunter/Blalock

That's 15 and we didn't spend the BAE.

This lineup sucks, flat out. We need another big guy and a slasher. This team wont do shit in the playoffs unless our backcourt(Sheed Included) gets hot and starts raining 3's, thats seriously are only chance. Snaq will go for 50/30/8 against that crew.
that's without knowing what Nazr, Maxiell, Amir, Acker, and Delfino can bring to the table. i'm not saying we've got superstars in the waiting, but i'm holding any opinions until i see this new team function together. hell, who knows what Dice could do as a starter (not saying Flip would start him, of course). my point is that this current roster + the "let's develop the bench" attitude that we've hopefully adopted raises more questions for me, than "we suck" opinions.

last regular season, we saw a "new look" pistons......what's to say we dont' see another step in the evolution of this team.

Sheed/Nazr/Davis
Dice/Maxiell
Prince/Amir/NCM
Rip/Delfino/Acker
Billups/Hunter/Blalock


That lineup my friend is going to own the league!!!!! Shaq wont get 50-30 or any where near that. he's old and fat now, probably more out of shape.

I have been thinking about Joe's strategy right now, and I can only conjure up a couple ideas of why we haven't made any impact moves to stay competitive. A few possibilities....

1. Joe is forced not to get anyone else. This is altogether possible.

2. Joe deems our picks sacred and will not touch our picks unless getting better ones. Again this seems possible.

3. Joe thinks that there will not be a dropoff with Nazr and Dice picking up for Ben. Question: did you guys think we were better off in the playoffs quite often when Dice and Sheed were in the game at the same time? Certainly you must have felt that way when Hack-A-Ben was in effect.

4. Joe feels that better players than Al may be available at the break and that Al will be overpaid. Dale, Dice, our TE, and our picks should have a lot of value at that time. If that is true though, we better move Dice and Dale, since neither is likely to stay with us after the season.

5. In an "I wish" category, Joe thinks that maybe Sheed, Dice, Dale, and two first rounders would be enough to get KG at the break if things aren't working out over there.

On a side note, personally there is nothing in the world that would convince me that signing Marcus Banks to the BAE (if Minnesota wouldn't match) isn't a great idea. He would be a low risk, rotation contributing insurance policy in case Chauncey leaves a la Ben.

I wouldn't be surprised if we only signed Nik Caner-Medley (or whatever his name is) and that's it.

Sheed/Nazr/Davis
Dice/Maxiell
Prince/Amir/NCM
Rip/Delfino/Acker
Billups/Hunter/Blalock

That's 15 and we didn't spend the BAE.

This lineup sucks, flat out. We need another big guy and a slasher. This team wont do shit in the playoffs unless our backcourt(Sheed Included) gets hot and starts raining 3's, thats seriously are only chance. Snaq will go for 50/30/8 against that crew.
that's without knowing what Nazr, Maxiell, Amir, Acker, and Delfino can bring to the table. i'm not saying we've got superstars in the waiting, but i'm holding any opinions until i see this new team function together. hell, who knows what Dice could do as a starter (not saying Flip would start him, of course). my point is that this current roster + the "let's develop the bench" attitude that we've hopefully adopted raises more questions for me, than "we suck" opinions.

last regular season, we saw a "new look" pistons......what's to say we dont' see another step in the evolution of this team.

and if none of those young studs work out, i've been working on my J, and i'll work for 6.50 an hr (pretty sure that doesnt count against the cap).

c'mon, those 5 guys arent any way shape or form the answer to ben leaving. did you know, per 100 possessions, our offense scored ~4 more points and our defense gave up ~11 less points with ben on the floor? meanwhile, the spurs gave up an extra 5 points with nazr on the squad with no change in offense (but he shoots ft's better!!!).


"Question: did you guys think we were better off in the playoffs quite often when Dice and Sheed were in the game at the same time? Certainly you must have felt that way when Hack-A-Ben was in effect."

i would have agreed alot more in 2005 than 2006. i didnt think flip ever really figured out dyess. part of that was darko getting pt early (not letting dyess into his normal rhythm), but i think part of that is dyess losing a step. he has 0 post game anymore. he's sheed lite. but most of it is probably flip just not having a clue.


incidently, 82 games.com has a 'fair salary' stat now. i think this is new. pretty interesting. not sure how they do it, but it looks fairly accurate (chauncy's fair salary was ~20 million last year). other interesting salaries were ben's, 14 million (more than he'll make next year) and nazr, 500,000.

call the website trash all you want, but i completely agree with it on this one, ben wasnt the overpaid center this summer, it was nazr.

Nazr is worth more than $500,000. That's idiotic.

i would have agreed alot more in 2005 than 2006. i didnt think flip ever really figured out dyess. part of that was darko getting pt early (not letting dyess into his normal rhythm), but i think part of that is dyess losing a step. he has 0 post game anymore. he's sheed lite. but most of it is probably flip just not having a clue.

i agree that Flip didn't use Dice correctly. i don't give Flip a pass, but i'm willing to have an open mind this coming season. after all, it was Flip's first season w/ the team.


incidently, 82 games.com has a 'fair salary' stat now. i think this is new. pretty interesting. not sure how they do it, but it looks fairly accurate (chauncy's fair salary was ~20 million last year). other interesting salaries were ben's, 14 million (more than he'll make next year) and nazr, 500,000.

call the website trash all you want, but i completely agree with it on this one, ben wasnt the overpaid center this summer, it was nazr.

yeah, that same site says we should be paying Tayshaun Prince $16M a year. :rolleyes:

So according to their fair salary system Tay is worth $16mil?

LMMFAO

I thought they had a good site going - WTF happened?

We won a lot, riding on our starters, so they all looked like 12-15 million players.

Forgive me if this has already been posted, but here are the league salary cap and luxury tax figures for next year:

Salary Cap - $53.135 million

Luxury Tax Level - $65.42 million



Didn't see this posted and thought I would toss it in this thread in case it matters.

The Pistons could also go the trade route, using one of their two first-round draft picks in 2007 and/or a $3.5-million expiring contract for big man Dale Davis. The Charlotte Observer reported that Bobcats general manager and coach Bernie Bickerstaff confirmed that Detroit had called with interest in veteran point guard Brevin Knight, but Bickerstaff said the Pistons don't have anything that they'd want in return

Anybody think that Penny Hardaway might be worth the vet's minimum?

http://presstelegram.com/sports/ci_4044402


Penny Hardaway, who is playing for L Smith Associates, arrived in Los Angeles at midnight from Memphis, and scored 11 points, grabbed nine rebounds and had nine assists in his team's 110-94 win against the NBA Pros.

"I have been playing in this league for a while," Hardaway said about the SPL.

"Now that I am a free agent, I came to the league to show people that I can still play and to support this league also," he added.

Penny is always dropping near triple doubles in that league.

I remember the whole "Revenge of Penny/Backcourt 2000" thing when he was in Phoenix with Jason Kidd.

He dropped a triple double in SL, came back and still sucked.

Dude is done IMO.

If we're signing players at the veteran minimum why not chase David Wesley?

If your talking Wesley, why not Spree...actually nevermind.

How the hell did you go from Wesley to Sprewell?

Wesley was/is a quality vet.

Sprewell is a fucking loon.

How the hell did you go from Wesley to Sprewell?

Wesley was/is a quality vet.

Sprewell is a fucking loon.

That's going easy on him.

How the hell did you go from Wesley to Sprewell?

Wesley was/is a quality vet.

Sprewell is a fucking loon.
That's going easy on him.

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theres someone on mlive's forum claiming he works for morgan stanly, and his boss deals with joe on a regular basis (handling his account). dude claims joe and atlanta are about to finish a deal sending carlos and dale, with a pick, to atlanta for zaza pachulia.

deal makes little sense, and its an internet rumor. but an interesting idea none the less. hope its for real.

Why the hell would they deal Zaza?

Isn't he locked into a reasonable contract?

And didn't Sheldon Williams stink up the joint in the SL?

And if we're dealing with Atlanta can't we get Harrington? Fuck the rest of their roster. Give us Al or hang up the phone.

I agree with P or even one of the Joshs.

Fuck Zaza. Id rather keep Nazr and have nothing to do with Zaza

One of the Josh's? I doubt they want to move Josh Smith, and guys like Josh Childress aren't hard to find IMO.

zaza's got one of the best contracts for a big man out there--12 mill over the next 3 years. i think hes under the radar, and could be a big piece for us.

but it makes NO sense for atlanta. they need bigs, not swing players (delfino), and they have more than enough young talent as it is, so the draft pick shouldnt be too enticing.

but who knows. it would be typical for all the media speculation to be about harrington, and have joe sneak in and snatch zaza.

That's probably true.

Regarding the Zaza trade, fuck it!! I'd take Harrington instead

The pick is THE drawcard for them.

If their own pick is not in the top 3 then it goes to Pheonix.

If they acquire another pick I believe they can send that pick to the Suns.

But Zaza? Sure, why not - we could do worse.

(NOTE: I seem to say that after every signing. Not a good thing)

The pick is THE drawcard for them.

If their own pick is not in the top 3 then it goes to Pheonix.

If they acquire another pick I believe they can send that pick to the Suns.

But Zaza? Sure, why not - we could do worse.

(NOTE: I seem to say that after every signing. Not a good thing)


You are correct but ATL can only do that with one pick of the 2 they owe PHX. Meaning if they get a top 3 pick and we gave them a pick they could send our pick in 07 to Phx but the next year whatever non 1st overall pick they have must go to PHX it cannot be another team's.

But if they grabbed someone decent in 2007 they could be pretty decent the following season.

Zaza, Josh Smith, Marvin, Johnson, Claxton, Childress, Sheldon, Salim, plus whoever they get in Harrington trade plus their 2007 picks.

Young, but full of potential.

But if they grabbed someone decent in 2007 they could be pretty decent the following season.


They have high draft picks every year, but they haven't ever turned them into anything. What makes anyone think that another high draft pick is going to turn them around. If they couldn't do it with Joe Johnson, Al Harrington (in a contract year, no less), and all their high picks, they aren't going to do it without Al.

Because Joe Johnson would be firmly established as the #1 option.

Because Josh Smith would be on the verge of busting out

Because Marvin Williams would be on the verge as well

Because Claxton would know his team mates very well by then

Because a Lotto pick in 2007 is gonna bring a quality player

Because Sheldon Williams shouldn't be so bad after 1 season in the NBA

Because Josh Childress should be pretty good by then

And because I doubt Mike Woodson survives this season and the following one. He either gets fired this season, or next off-season IMO.

That means a new Coach will come in and they'll be "pretty decent"

And whoever the get from the Harrington trade might still be helping.

I've got a lot of reasons to believe the Hawks won't suck forever.

I am well aware my faith could be mis-guided

^good points, and that doesn't even factor in the potential "Iverson to Atlanta" thing.

Oh, if Iverson goes there that team is fucked.

Johnson can't get all that money to stand still and shoot.

Josh Smith and Marvin Williams development would be killed, too.

I do think the Hawks have a decent shot at being a good team. They just need to get some guys to do the dirty work. Apparently they are looking at Jeff Foster in the Harrington S&T and IMO should also ask for Anthony Johnson.

They also have high hopes for Sheldon Williams and Solomon Jones.

Time will tell, but I think they're "on the right track"

If only the ownership group would work their shit out maybe the team could complete the rebuilding and become a playoff contender.

I wasn't even thinking of a year down the road. I was just thinking of adding a rookie to the current roster (without another year of experience together). My mistake Pharaoh. Also, couldn't agree more about how much Iverson would screw up that team. Like you said, if ownership figures there shit out, Atlanta could be a team of the future.

Acker to Greece?



http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060726/UPDATE/607260446

Pistons' Acker considers playing in Greece

Chris McCosky / The Detroit News


AUBURN HILLS -- Pistons guard Alex Acker has been offered a one-year deal worth $1 million to play in Greece next year. He flew to Athens on Wednesday to meet with officials from the Olympiakos team.

Acker wanted to see the city and the living conditions before signing the deal, but he knows his role with the Pistons next season would be limited at best. His first clue on that was when they gave newly-signed guard Flip Murray jersey No. 6, which Acker wore as a rookie last season.

The Pistons made a qualifying offer to Acker that would pay him $664,000 for the 2006-2007 season, which Acker most likely would spend mostly in the development league.

The Pistons would still retain rights to Acker should he sign with Olympiakos and could bring him back for the 2007-2008 season.

I say send him over and make him try again next offseason.

If he leaves now we don't retain his rights.

We can still ask him to play SL or show up for training camp though.

If he leaves now we don't retain his rights.

We can still ask him to play SL or show up for training camp though.

I thought as long as you extended a qualifying offer, you retained the right to the player until traded or released? This way refusing to sign an offer prevented the player from screwing the team by holding out or because they didn't want to accept the offer or like it.

I'll have to look it up in the FAQ but am pretty sure if he signs with another pro team we lose his rights

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nba/article/0,2777,DRMN_23922_4887440,00.html


Agent Mark Bartelstien said he is having "ongoing talks" with Nuggets officials about two clients, free agent guards Eddie House and Tony Delk .

TONY DELK? you have GOT to be KIDDING ME! he fits in BETTER HERE with his SLASHING and REBOUNDING. This team NEEDS SCORING and he has gone for 50 POINTS in a game before.

im guessing we wouldnt want him back. we have flip murray. theyre too similar, theyd just be stepping on each other's toes.

TONY DELK IS THE ANSWER ! "DID YOU SAY ANSWER OR PRATICE PRATICE ANSWER PRATICE ANSWER PRATICE". TONY TONY TONY IS THE FRIGGEN YING AND YANG IT WILL BE THE THE GENESIS OF THE END FOR THE PISTIONS IF WE DONT SING TONY DELK!

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DELK COULD WIN THE 6TH MAN AWARD IF GIVEN THE MINUTES FOR detroit!

TONY DELK IS THE ANSWER ! "DID YOU SAY ANSWER OR PRATICE PRATICE ANSWER PRATICE ANSWER PRATICE". TONY TONY TONY IS THE FRIGGEN YING AND YANG IT WILL BE THE THE GENESIS OF THE END FOR THE PISTIONS IF WE DONT SING TONY DELK!

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DELK COULD WIN THE 6TH MAN AWARD IF GIVEN THE MINUTES FOR detroit!

Thank you.

TONY DELK? you have GOT to be KIDDING ME! he fits in BETTER HERE with his SLASHING and REBOUNDING. This team NEEDS SCORING and he has gone for 50 POINTS in a game before.

He scored 50 points in a game, but it wasn't with the Pistons. A lot of people have scored 50 in a game at some point in their career, but it doesn't mean they can do it now. Delk is a good player but he's getting way to overhyped in here.

LOL @ Zekyl. He must not know... THE ANSWER!

checkyourPMs

Zekyl is neither the ying nor the yang.

OH, BUT I AM. I'm the one with the goofy moustache!!!!!!!!!!!!11 :O

http://paspn.net/images/historypics/Kelly_Tripucka.jpg ?

Not quite "Pistons related" but it's "Ex-Pistons related" at least. An Andreas The Giant sighting.

http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/15455915.htm


Pssst: With little chance left to sign 6-foot-8, 245-pound free agent Reggie Evans, the Timberwolves have offered 7-foot-1, 275-pound free agent Andreas Glyniadakis a contract. But Glyniadakis, who is from Greece, also has offers from Atlanta, Toronto and New Jersey.

Did we ever even get a chance to see him? I know he spent one summer league with us, but I don't think he played much. We should have kept his rights for another year or two (if possible) to see how he developed.

I'd offer Marcus Banks the full MLE and see how the Wolves react.

With Jaric + Hudson signed at failry big salaries I doubt they'd be willing to match that offer for Banks.




sorry for the bump, I just clicked submit by mistake

post #42 clarifies that you weren't "super high" on Banks

sorry for the bump, I just clicked submit by mistake

post #42 clarifies that you weren't "super high" on Banks
DUMB ASS!!!

Sorry I just felt that was necessary.

And here is post #42:


GD - I'm not super high on Banks.

I just see a young guy that hasn't really been given a real chance to shine (until he started in Minny)

The guy can play D, is quick and obviously has some balls.

Offer him the MLE.

Worst Case Scenario for Us? Minny matches it and is fucked salary wise at PG for the next 5 years. (Jaric expires in 2011! and they have Hudson until 2010 if memory serves)

If they don't match we get him. He'd be the back-up PG we need, plus he's insurance if Billups gets stupid with his contract demands.

I doubt that happens, so here's what I was thinking:

Delfino/Evans are coming to the end of their contracts soon.

If we lose both (or don't want to keep them) we'd still have Banks, Billups and Rip at G.

Nice 3-guard rotation.

It's not like we're paying a truckload of money for a bum.

Oh, if you hate Banks you might consider full MLE a waste of money, I guess.

I think I explained myself fairly well at the time.

Naturally, looking back at it now signing Banks would have been a huge mistake. He hasn't done shit. One could argue that's because he's bounced from one team to another every few months and never really settled anywhere.

One could also argue that if so many NBA teams deem you useless then chances are you are fucking useless.

BTW, what did we spend the MLE on in 06?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1066/530978396_958bbdce10.jpg?v=0

What the hell ever happened to Troy Hudson? Forgot about that guy, are they still paying him?

careers over last with the warriors. he had some career ending injury