I could care less what Ben Wallace stats say, my eyes tell me he has made very little difference in this series. There is no denying that Varejao has had a bigger impact for his team thus far and I bet his stats are not as good as Ben's.

Your stats Mxy mean nothing.

What makes your eyes so much better than Mxy's or mine? How many championship teams have you scouted for again?

I could care less what Ben Wallace stats say, my eyes tell me he has made very little difference in this series. There is no denying that Varejao has had a bigger impact for his team thus far and I bet his stats are not as good as Ben's.

Your stats Mxy mean nothing.

What makes your eyes so much better than Mxy's or mine? How many championship teams have you scouted for again?

Any reasonable person can see that Ben has not great this series why do this. Why the fuck do u think the media has been talking about it for the last 3 days?

I could care less what Ben Wallace stats say, my eyes tell me he has made very little difference in this series. There is no denying that Varejao has had a bigger impact for his team thus far and I bet his stats are not as good as Ben's.

Your stats Mxy mean nothing.

What makes your eyes so much better than Mxy's or mine? How many championship teams have you scouted for again?

Any reasonable person can see that Ben has not great this series why do this. Why the fuck do u think the media has been talking about it for the last 3 days?

Oh, I forgot the media - if they discuss something it must also be true. With your unmatched eye for the game combined with some general media comment must make it true. Nobody on the team has been great this series, including the other 3 all-stars and apparent MVP candidate.

I like that you can have some solid facts put in front of you (like Ben's +/-) and just discredit it because you think differently.

Wow just Wow. Why is this even an argument?

The Pistons are up at the half but again Ben Wallace is getting outplayed.

If you're saying Ben Wallace has been a difference maker which I am saying he has not been than that type of thinking is in the minority.

He's getting his ass kicked up and down the floor by Gooden and or Varajao. So take that plus minus shit and get it out here.

Wow just Wow. Why is this even an argument?

The Pistons are up at the half but again Ben Wallace is getting outplayed.

If you're saying Ben Wallace has been a difference maker which I am saying he has not been than that type of thinking is in the minority.

He's getting his ass kicked up and down the floor by Gooden and or Varajao. So take that plus minus shit and get it out here.

This isn't an argument - those can't happen with somebody like yourself. This also wasn't about this specific game - it was about the series in general. Ben Wallace certainly isn't playing great, but nobody outside of Rip is anyways. If you're not making money scouting, then you're clearly cheating yourself.

Whats the debate again? I simply said Ben hasn't come up as big for his team as Varejao and has been outplayed. Where is the disagreement? I am lost here.

There is no debate, all I asked is what makes you so special that you can just disregard Mxy's facts. Since you provided no facts of your own (aside from some generic media comment), I assumed you must be an NBA-level scout and I just wanted to know how many championships your teams have won.

Whats the debate again? I simply said Ben hasn't come up as big for his team as Varejao and has been outplayed. Where is the disagreement? I am lost here.

There is no debate, all I asked is what makes you so special that you can just disregard Mxy's facts. Since you provided no facts of your own (aside from some generic media comment), I assumed you must be an NBA-level scout and I just wanted to know how many championships your teams have won.

Quit being a child.

Whats the debate again? I simply said Ben hasn't come up as big for his team as Varejao and has been outplayed. Where is the disagreement? I am lost here.

There is no debate, all I asked is what makes you so special that you can just disregard Mxy's facts. Since you provided no facts of your own (aside from some generic media comment), I assumed you must be an NBA-level scout and I just wanted to know how many championships your teams have won.

Quit being a child.

I will as soon as you quit being a baseless dickwad.

Whats the debate again? I simply said Ben hasn't come up as big for his team as Varejao and has been outplayed. Where is the disagreement? I am lost here.

There is no debate, all I asked is what makes you so special that you can just disregard Mxy's facts. Since you provided no facts of your own (aside from some generic media comment), I assumed you must be an NBA-level scout and I just wanted to know how many championships your teams have won.

Quit being a child.

I will as soon as you quit being a baseless dickwad.

Grow up.

Whats the debate again? I simply said Ben hasn't come up as big for his team as Varejao and has been outplayed. Where is the disagreement? I am lost here.

There is no debate, all I asked is what makes you so special that you can just disregard Mxy's facts. Since you provided no facts of your own (aside from some generic media comment), I assumed you must be an NBA-level scout and I just wanted to know how many championships your teams have won.

Quit being a child.

I will as soon as you quit being a baseless dickwad.

Grow up.

So let me get this straight... you're the one making baseless claims and posting drivel and I'm the one that needs to grow up? All I wanted to know is how many rings you got superscout!

Whats the debate again? I simply said Ben hasn't come up as big for his team as Varejao and has been outplayed. Where is the disagreement? I am lost here.

There is no debate, all I asked is what makes you so special that you can just disregard Mxy's facts. Since you provided no facts of your own (aside from some generic media comment), I assumed you must be an NBA-level scout and I just wanted to know how many championships your teams have won.

Quit being a child.

I will as soon as you quit being a baseless dickwad.

Grow up.

So let me get this straight... you're the one making baseless claims and posting drivel and I'm the one that needs to grow up? All I wanted to know is how many rings you got superscout!\


Unreal, I post an opinion about something and you want to burn me for it. Seriously, is it so big of a deal that you can't let something go? Get a grip junior it's just an opinion don't get so worked up. The plus/minus stat was bitchin ok.

Have at it y'all. I couldn't stand to see that game thread ruined by this shit.

Whats the debate again? I simply said Ben hasn't come up as big for his team as Varejao and has been outplayed. Where is the disagreement? I am lost here.

There is no debate, all I asked is what makes you so special that you can just disregard Mxy's facts. Since you provided no facts of your own (aside from some generic media comment), I assumed you must be an NBA-level scout and I just wanted to know how many championships your teams have won.

Quit being a child.

I will as soon as you quit being a baseless dickwad.

Grow up.

So let me get this straight... you're the one making baseless claims and posting drivel and I'm the one that needs to grow up? All I wanted to know is how many rings you got superscout!\


Unreal, I post an opinion about something and you want to burn me for it. Seriously, is it so big of a deal that you can't let something go? Get a grip junior it's just an opinion don't get so worked up. The plus/minus stat was bitchin ok.

It wasn't your opinion, it was the fact that you took Mxy's facts and completely disregarded them because they didn't follow your opinion. I know reality and fact aren't in high demand on the right side, but don't expect people to not fire back when you post your shit. I know I don't.

Is +/- the only data worth looking at? I doubt it.

That said you guys could argue the merits of that stat.

That debate would actually be good for the board.

Insulting each other is just fucking pathetic IMO

Is +/- the only data worth looking at? I doubt it.

That said you guys could argue the merits of that stat.

That debate would actually be good for the board.

Insulting each other is just fucking pathetic IMO

There was no mention of what's the only stat worth looking at. In fact it had nothing to do with stats at all. Just Gecko disregarding Mxy because he apparently has the eyes of Basketball Moses. I could argue that they shoot an eFG% of +7.5 when Ben is off the court, or they'd be on pace to score 120 points per 100 possesions as opposed to the 101 when he's on. Of course, he'd probably disregard me, make a baseless claim of his own, and add in some generic media comment. You see, I have no problem with Gecko debunking anybody - but if you're going to say something like "Your stats mean shit", then provide some facts of your own. There is a difference between disagreeing with somebody and completely disregarding them. Assholes do the latter.

+/- isn't a perfect stat (no stat is), but currently it's probably the best way of capturing a player's defensive impact on a team. Especially in a playoff series, where a player is continually playing the same team over and over.

So ask (demand) that Gecko supply evidence to back up his opinion.

You're both intelligent individuals. A debate on this would be a good read.

It's up to you guys though.

So ask (demand) that Gecko supply evidence to back up his opinion.

You're both intelligent individuals. A debate on this would be a good read.

It's up to you guys though.

It's all I wanted (along with not just disregarding somebody elses).

I'd debate, but I think Gecko quit the board.

Wears womens underwear.

Ohh wait, wrong Terrordome thread.

Wears womens underwear.

Ohh wait, wrong Terrordome thread.

Likes it when I wear women's underwear.

Gecko quit over this? I hope not - he's a quality poster.

Gecko quit over this? I hope not - he's a quality poster.
agreed.

Gecko quit over this? I hope not - he's a quality poster.

From what I can tell, Gecko enjoys dishing it but not taking it. And I suppose we have different opinions of what is quality.

I hope Geck didn't leave WTF, since he and I go back a long ways to MLive.

In the end, it's his choice of course, I just hate to lose a good Pistons fan over politics or petty arguments, as I'm sure we all do.

I'm sure you aren't going for this intentionally, but isn't that two notches in your belt Comrade? (Kilo, Gecko)

I hope Geck didn't leave WTF, since he and I go back a long ways to MLive.

In the end, it's his choice of course, I just hate to lose a good Pistons fan over politics or petty arguments, as I'm sure we all do.

I'm sure you aren't going for this intentionally, but isn't that two notches in your belt Comrade? (Kilo, Gecko)

I believe Gecko leaving had more to do with the politics thread as he posted his "farewell post" there. As far as I could tell, Kilo wasn't even a fan of any Detroit team so I'm not sure I can take credit for his departure. I'm certainly not trying to make anybody leave, but if you can't take it then don't dish it. It's just words on a messageboard, man.

kilo left because he felt his free speech to diss this team for trading darko was being hated on.

i think gecko may be taking a break. or he may be in here tomorrow. who knows. but i've crossed his path since mlive.com days and he's an cool guy in my book. i'm sure Com meant him no harm. but if he gives one more person a hard time i say ban him.:p

All kidding aside i'm sure gecko will be back. if taymelo didnt phase him. i dont think antbody can.:D also i never saw glenn's incognito ass on mlive. :confused:

I'm sure you aren't going for this intentionally, but isn't that two notches in your belt Comrade? (Kilo, Gecko)
one more maybe. though that guy was a lil' more agressive than the others at talking shit vand setting himself up.

-Art

I'm sure you aren't going for this intentionally, but isn't that two notches in your belt Comrade? (Kilo, Gecko)
one more maybe. though that guy was a lil' more agressive than the others at talking shit vand setting himself up.

-Art

Art quit long after our Terrordome. He left over some MSU/Michigan stuff in the NCAA forum that had nothing to do with me. However, it is safe to say that all 3 of them had no problem posting inflammatory remarks and/or threads. They didn't seem to like it as much when they got some back.

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Fuck "closed" threads that the syndicate still posts in anyway. Elitist bastards.

Fuck "closed" threads that the syndicate still posts in anyway. Elitist bastards.

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