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Kstat
05-05-2006, 10:07 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/portlet/article/html/fragments/print_article.jsp?article=3790609

denver nuggets
Nuggets lose general manager

By Marc Spears and Adam Thompson
Denver Post Staff Writers
DenverPost.com

The Nuggets and general manager Kiki Vandeweghe have mutually agreed to part ways, according to Kroenke Sports Enterprises.

"After meeting with Kiki today, we agreed his contract will not be extended," said owner, Stan Kroenke, in a statement. "We appreciate the time he spent with the Nuggets and wish him good luck as he seeks out his next challenge."

"I am truly grateful to Mr. Kroenke for the opportunity he gave me and for everything I have learned from this experience," said Vandeweghe, in the statement. "I am excited about moving in a new direction."

"We remain focused on attaining our goal of establishing a team that consistently competes at the highest levels and will make every effort to achieve that goal," said Kroenke.

Speculation on Vandeweghe's future with the team has been rampant.

Vandeweghe, hired Aug. 9, 2001, led the franchise back to the playoffs after an eight-year drought. But the team's inability to make it out of the first round in the past three playoffs - especially this season - led to huge disappointment among players, ownership and fans.

The Nuggets are expected to pay Vandeweghe the remainder of his contract, which expires Aug. 1.

Every player on the Nuggets' current roster was signed by Vandeweghe, including Carmelo Anthony and Marcus Camby, whom the team acquired with Nene in a 2002 draft-night deal for Antonio McDyess. The team also received late-season boosts from deadline deals that brought Eduardo Najera in 2005 and Reggie Evans and Ruben Patterson this spring.

The general manager's draft record has not been as strong. Much has been made of his decision to twice bypass eventual rookie of the year Amare Stoudemire in favor of Nikoloz Tskitishvili and Nene in 2002. Nene developed into a productive player, but Tskitishvili struggled before being traded to the Golden State Warriors in February 2005.

He has been criticized because none of his second-round picks have worked. With the exceptions of Anthony and Nene, no Nuggets draft pick during Vandeweghe's tenure has made a major impact on the team.

He has also been criticized for his inability to provide the roster with enough outside shooting, a weakness exposed in three consecutive 4-1 first-round playoff losses. The Nuggets were also resistant to discipline at times under his watch. Ex-coach Jeff Bzdelik once tried to suspend Anthony for refusing to re-enter a game, but the front office did not back him.

Another strike against Vandeweghe in Kroenke's eyes was his public dalliance with Cleveland when the Cavaliers had a G.M. opening last summer.

Fissures between the owner and Vandeweghe first surfaced in the summer of 2003, over the failure to sign Golden State free agent Gilbert Arenas, who eventually became an all-star with Washington.

Tensions also arose during the tenure of Bzdelik, who guided Denver to the initial postseason appearance of the current regime. The GM had hoped to replace Bzdelik after that season, but Kroenke would not approve the move.

Instead, the Nuggets fired Bzdelik after a slow start the following season, and went 4-10 under the interim coach Vandeweghe chose, Michael Cooper. In January, 2005, the Nuggets opted for George Karl, their current coach, at Kroenke's urging.

Vandeweghe was a longshot hire when Kroenke tabbed him to run his team on Aug. 9, 2001. Only 43 at the time, his two years as an assistant coach and director of player development in Dallas marked his lone stint in an NBA front office.

He was tested immediately, steering the franchise through a public relations storm after coach Dan Issel made a racially insensitive remark to a Hispanic fan during Vandeweghe's first season.

On the positive side, Vandeweghe engineered one of the largest salary dumps in league history during his first season - jettisoning the long, expensive contracts of Nick Van Exel, Raef LaFrentz, Avery Johnson and Tariq Abdul-Wahad. The move hurt the Nuggets in the short term, as they won 17 games in 2002-03.

But it also cleared the salary cap space that Denver would use to attract free agents Andre Miller, Earl Boykins and Kenyon Martin and the re-signing of Camby to a team that has made the playoffs the past three seasons after an eight-year drought. The team captured its first division crown since 1988 this spring.

Vandeweghe, a man as likely to read a book on history or philosophy as anything sports-related, often brought a non-linear approach to his job. When he first arrived to a team that could have used an infusion of cash, he briefly considered selling the naming rights of the team itself, though the Denver Qwest never came close to existing.

He also took a hands-on approach to off-court issues. Before the Nuggets switched uniforms for the 2003-04 season, he researched which colors would sell best. Anthony's presence has certainly helped, but Denver's baby-blue uniforms have sold well since their debut.

With the Nuggets at their lowest point, Vandeweghe worked hard to win back fans with promotions like a public tryout for Denver's summer league team. He also consistently tried to align his team with military, police and fire organizations in the wake of the 9/11 tragedy.

Black Dynamite
05-05-2006, 10:08 PM
blah you beat me to it and i coulda posted it 30 minutes ago. good one. dungver may hit the shitter depending on his replacement.

Artis Gilmore
05-05-2006, 10:13 PM
Good bye.

Pharaoh
05-06-2006, 04:49 AM
Stupid move by Denver, though they have 2 guys waiting in the wings that could take the top job.

Kiki should be fine getting another job and it'll be interesting to see where he lands. He did a fine job (except for the Draft) in a pretty short period of time.

I wonder if Atlanta is interested?

Glenn
05-06-2006, 11:08 AM
I'm not too familiar with Denver's front office, nor do I know of the two guys that P mentioned as possible in-house replacements, but I wonder if they'll want to talk to John Hammond?

Pharaoh
05-06-2006, 11:53 AM
GD: Hammond is safe IMO.

I read on hoopshype (can't copy and paste cause I'm not using Firefox) that they have 4 guys in line!

And that's not including George Karl.

Fool
05-06-2006, 11:20 PM
I think Kiki is above par.

My only real problem is the following:

The Nuggets trade 76ers 2005 first round pick (top 8 protected 2005, top 5 protected 2006, top 2 protected 2007) (2005 #16-Joey Graham), Clippers 2005 first round pick (top 14 protected) (?-?), Nuggets 2006 first round pick (top 5 protected 2006, top 2 protected 2007 (?-?) for KENYON MARTIN.

Varsity
05-06-2006, 11:48 PM
Stupid move by Denver, though they have 2 guys waiting in the wings that could take the top job.

Kiki should be fine getting another job and it'll be interesting to see where he lands. He did a fine job (except for the Draft) in a pretty short period of time.

I wonder if Atlanta is interested?

See the Knicks.

Pharaoh
05-07-2006, 03:21 AM
Kiki won't get hired in NY - they'll stick with Zeke for one more season IMO.

Fool: You have a problem with that deal? Why?

Those picks =

Joey Graham
#22 in 2006 (Clippers' pick now owned by NJ)
#20 in 2006 (Denver's pick now owned by NY)

Uncle Mxy
05-07-2006, 09:02 AM
Kiki won't get hired in NY - they'll stick with Zeke for one more season IMO.
It's notable that LB does have ties to Kiki, as his coach back when he took UCLA to the Final Four.

I never really much cared for how Kiki coddled Carmelo and set Bzdelik up for failure, and I always felt the Kenyon Martin for 3 firsts trade was too much for the right to overpay a big man. I guess I'm not losing too much sleep about where Kiki ends up.

Varsity
05-07-2006, 10:30 AM
Kiki won't get hired in NY - they'll stick with Zeke for one more season IMO.

Fool: You have a problem with that deal? Why?

Those picks =

Joey Graham
#22 in 2006 (Clippers' pick now owned by NJ)
#20 in 2006 (Denver's pick now owned by NY)

Oh, I agree Pharoah, they'll definitely hold on to Isiah for a year. IMO, Kiki won't have a GM job until they do. They aren't a lot of teams out there about to get rid of their GMs to hurry up and get the glory that Kiki created. He started off with patience, got lucky when we passed on 'Melo and probably ruined it by spending the house on Kenyon Martin and not being able to fin a guy that could shoot. In two years!

Uncle Mxy
05-08-2006, 06:23 AM
GD: Hammond is safe IMO.

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060508/SPORTS0102/605080371/1127

Pistons vice president of basketball John Hammond 's name has been mentioned as a candidate for the general manager's position in Denver. But Hammond said Sunday that he had not talked to the Nuggets and was not a candidate.

Fool
05-08-2006, 09:08 AM
Yeah, I have a problem with trading 3 firsts for Kenyon Martin. I thought that was pretty clear in my previous post.