http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2426003


Fucking Lions. If we would have lost to NO, we would have had Bush. FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Holy Shit.


The Lions Can Get Matt Leinart.

Thank heavens Huff got picked before #9.

After watching him get raped in back-to-back Rose Bowls by Edwards and Jarrett I wanted no part of him.

Fuck the Lions organization and everything that stands for it.

The Lions selected a linebacker that's under 6 ft. tall. WOW. On the other hand, I would have disliked any player they picked this year. I was rather surprised that they didn't go with Santonio Holmes... or Moss.

so this was a bad pick? I do not know to much about the players

I like the pick, I am so glad we didn't draft Leinart. After being high on him I think he is a a guy who wants to be more than a football player plus Detroit isn't the big city life he wants, and worries to much about image. I think he would have been unhappy here whereas in Arizona he is a skip and a jump away from Las Vegas and LA where I think he is happiest.

I myself don't like the pick. Sims has already had 5 concussions and will probably get knocked out and retire during mini-camp. I think Leinart is a franchise QB. I mean 2 National Championships and Heisman Trophy? What else do you want. The Lions have been searching for a QB ever since the franchise was formed and here was there chance. I guess Jon Kitna or Josh McCown is the answer. Boooooo!

Winston Justice and Jimmy Williams snatched right out from under us.

I am done, I will now spend the rest of the draft crying. One pick away from the steal of the draft. Damn you Philly!!!!!!

I myself don't like the pick. Sims has already had 5 concussions and will probably get knocked out and retire during mini-camp. I think Leinart is a franchise QB. I mean 2 National Championships and Heisman Trophy? What else do you want. The Lions have been searching for a QB ever since the franchise was formed and here was there chance. I guess Jon Kitna or Josh McCown is the answer. Boooooo!

The last thing we needed was another offensive first rounder. The doctors cleared Sims, and they know about it then any of us. His concussions were from smashing bitches, which is exactly what Marinelli wants out his defense, and I personally think he'll fit the system perfectly.

I am done, I will now spend the rest of the draft crying. One pick away from the steal of the draft. Damn you Philly!!!!!!
i love matt millen. he gives me so many good chuckles. :)

I personally hate the Ernie Sims pick. [smilie=banghead.gi:

It's not even that Sims is a bad player but we have much bigger needs than that.

Sims is an Outside Linebacker and we have too many of them (Bailey, Lehman, Lewis, Davis, Curry & Lennon.) already. What we are missing is a Middle Linebacker and Sims definitely won't be able to play MLB. Not to mention, we reached for an undersized LB with health concerns (he also broke his ankle last spring). Makes perfect sense to add to a group consisting of Bailey, Lehman and Davis who are all coming off of injuries.

We would've been better served with drafting Ngata, Bunkley, Justice or trading down.

And Brian Calhoun in the 3rd? WTF?:mad:

There is no reason to take a backup RB when the highest rated OG (Giles) is still on the board. Who the fuck is going to block for him?

On ESPN Radio, John Clayton said Millen had 3 offers to trade back in the first round and refused. I agree that Sims wasn't a need but at the same time I like that we got a top LB. With that said I think Millen dropped the ball by not trying to move up to get Justice in the second and Spencer or Winston in the third.

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The Lions took Brian Calhoun over Gabe Watson, Max-Jean Giles and Alan Zemaitis. [smilie=duh.gif] [smilie=banghead.gi:

You guys do know what system our defense will be, and just how not suited our LB corp was for the job - right?

I liked the first two picks. I think you will be pleasently surprised with Bullocks. Simms is the perfect player if healthy, which worries me. I don't get Calhoun. Giles was the pick there, or a CB, or even a TE. What are we going to do with Calhoun? Why did we sign Harris? What is the point of Pinner? Bryson? Uhg.

I like Calhoun, maybe not over Watson or Giles, but I am not convinced we will not need him. KJ has yet to prove he is durable, he has failed to stay healthy for all 16 games. From all that has been said Corey doesn't fit the offense and will likley be cut or be a back up. Bryson is likely the second HB inthe backfield or starting FB, depending what Martz calls it so that leaves only Pinner and Harris. Harris is mainly a return guy. So if KJ goes down the depth isn't the greatest. Hell if NO can have Bush and Duece, it can't hurt to have two quality backs.

and leave gabe watson alone in the next round. if things keep working out as they have been. Oakland will hopefully snag him too.

I'm really suprised that anyone's upset about the Calhoun pick.

Reggie's a freak. We all know that. The guy is one of the illest RB's
at the collegiate level, ever. Check out how a mere mortal like
Brian Calhoun still looks good when you put him up to Reggie.
Granted, the average carry is ridiculous for Reg...LOL. Sick.

The dope shit is the TD's and the receiving yards.
Reggie's receiving was off the hook and many said that he can play
receiver almost as well as he can play RB. Just imagine the possibilities
with BC in the backfield with Kevin. Martz is a maniac. If he has a dude
that can catch the ball like that out of the backfield, he's going to use him.

That was one of the steals of the draft IMO. Check this shit out...


http://i1.tinypic.com/wt9chj.jpg

I'm fuckin pumped about that pick.

Let's just hope that our 1st and 2nd round picks hold up. I'm just as concerned
about Ernie Sims' health as everyone here presumably is, but I'm happy that
we have a couple fast ass defensive players in Sims as well as Daniel
Bullocks. Marinelli's defense is supposed to be hard hitting and fast.
I just hope that these guys can come in and compete right away.
That would be fucking perfect.

All in all, I think that this draft was solid, but not a homerun by any means.
The Lions did their thing though. I don't think that they really had an
opportunity to steal anyone besides of course Leinart, but Martz needs a
dude that can sling the long ball and I don't think Matt's that guy.
I think McCown will eventually be the starter. Only time will tell.

I like Calhoun, maybe not over Watson or Giles, but I am not convinced we will not need him. KJ has yet to prove he is durable, he has failed to stay healthy for all 16 games. From all that has been said Corey doesn't fit the offense and will likley be cut or be a back up. Bryson is likely the second HB inthe backfield or starting FB, depending what Martz calls it so that leaves only Pinner and Harris. Harris is mainly a return guy. So if KJ goes down the depth isn't the greatest. Hell if NO can have Bush and Duece, it can't hurt to have two quality backs.


I'm really suprised that anyone's upset about the Calhoun pick.
The Calhoun pick was a luxury. A luxury that we can't afford given the numerous other holes on this roster.

Currently we have Jones, Pinner, Bryson, Harris at RB and Schlesinger, Matthews at FB. Isn't that enough depth? And besides none of those RB's will be able to do shit if the OLine isn't opening holes.

We could've drafted Giles, Jonathan Scott, Fred Matua, Gabe Watson, Babatunde Oshinowo, Darnell Bing, Greg Blue or Ko Simpson in place of Calhoun. All of those guys would've offered better value and filled a need at the same time.

and leave gabe watson alone in the next round. if things keep working out as they have been. Oakland will hopefully snag him too.


Oakland has done a great job so far. My favorites are NYJ, GB and Philly. I think GB and NYJ did a great job of addressing their needs.

I like the guys the Lions picked up but I see why people are pissed. I would say the talent so far for Detroit is a B+ to A- but interms of helping fill holes and fix key areas that were weak my grade is D to C-. If Millen had any sense he would try to make a deal for a pair of fourths for a 2007 3rd and 06 6th. Like H1 said there is still quality out there.

Calhoun!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and leave gabe watson alone in the next round. if things keep working out as they have been. Oakland will hopefully snag him too.


Oakland has done a great job so far. My favorites are NYJ, GB and Philly. I think GB and NYJ did a great job of addressing their needs.

I like the guys the Lions picked up but I see why people are pissed. I would say the talent so far for Detroit is a B+ to A- but interms of helping fill holes and fix key areas that were weak my grade is D to C-. If Millen had any sense he would try to make a deal for a pair of fourths for a 2007 3rd and 06 6th. Like H1 said there is still quality out there.
see the lions picked how people thought we would. but i know better. i never understand how professional scouts and gm's get caught up in fantasy football type hype and dont draft the players who meet their needs first. NE is great at that. GB has done that this year and so has OAK.

I like the Bullocks/Scott picks. Not sure about the other 2 yet. I guess Kitna is the answer at QB. It's a shame too, if we went defense last year I can guarantee you we'd pickup one of the big name QBs. Millen just didn't want to be a laughing stock by drafting offense again this year.

On the draft... Too hard to rate the lions draft right now. It's hard to give the lions the beneft of the doubt when it comes to drafting players but looks like that's where we are at.

Most are upset with the Calhoun pick when there was a OG and a DT to be had out there. While I would concur I am not that upset about picking Calhoun.

For starters Pinner, Bryson and the rest are garbage s anyways. I have never been sold on KJ as JS pointed out he has yet to prove his durability. Calhoun is pretty talented and will be needed if KJ's injuried history is repeated. I feel more comfortable developing Calhoun that I do turning the ball over to Pinner or Bryson.

I have no opinion on Sims yet as I don't know much about him.

http://www.mlive.com/lions/weblog/index.ssf?/mtlogs/mlive_lions/archives/2006_04.html#136317

Why Calhoun pick makes complete sense
I speculated yesterday that the decision to draft Wisconsin running back Brian Calhoun in the third round made no sense -- unless one of the veteran players was in trouble. Well, as it turns out, two of the veterans are in hot water.

Backup running back Artose Pinner, who is an unsigned restricted free agent and is unhappy with his role in Detroit, has been skipping almost all of the off-season workouts. It has been rumored that the Lions have been trying to trade Pinner's rights during the draft.

Also, return specialist Eddie Drummond has been a disappointment to the offensive coaches. They had hoped to use Drummond much more in the slot receiver position, but he has performed very poorly during the workouts and it appears they'll have to go in another direction. Whether that means Drummond is in danger of losing his gig as a kick returner isn't clear. And, even if Drummond sticks around, Calhoun would be solid in a backup role for the oft-injured Drummond.

What is clear, though, is that the Lions are getting a three-in-one deal with Calhoun. Not only can he be a backup running back and kick returner, but because of his excellent pass receiving skills, he could be used in the slot position.

After taking a lot of grief over the Calhoun pick, it appears the Lions might have solved several problems with just one draft choice.

http://www.mlive.com/lions/weblog/index.ssf?/mtlogs/mlive_lions/archives/2006_04.html#136317

Why Calhoun pick makes complete sense
I speculated yesterday that the decision to draft Wisconsin running back Brian Calhoun in the third round made no sense -- unless one of the veteran players was in trouble. Well, as it turns out, two of the veterans are in hot water.

Backup running back Artose Pinner, who is an unsigned restricted free agent and is unhappy with his role in Detroit, has been skipping almost all of the off-season workouts. It has been rumored that the Lions have been trying to trade Pinner's rights during the draft.

Also, return specialist Eddie Drummond has been a disappointment to the offensive coaches. They had hoped to use Drummond much more in the slot receiver position, but he has performed very poorly during the workouts and it appears they'll have to go in another direction. Whether that means Drummond is in danger of losing his gig as a kick returner isn't clear. And, even if Drummond sticks around, Calhoun would be solid in a backup role for the oft-injured Drummond.

What is clear, though, is that the Lions are getting a three-in-one deal with Calhoun. Not only can he be a backup running back and kick returner, but because of his excellent pass receiving skills, he could be used in the slot position.

After taking a lot of grief over the Calhoun pick, it appears the Lions might have solved several problems with just one draft choice.

Or maybe he fell into the 3rd round because he only has practice squad abilities at any one spot.

On the second day of the draft, the Lions take OT Jonathan Scott from Texas in the fifth. In the sixth it's Alton "Dee" McCann, a CB from West Virgina. In the final Rd. they take USC OG Fred Matua.

I love the Brian Calhoun pick. He would have been a Heisman finalist in any other year.

Our running game will be awesome next year.

Well, you guys STILL managed to draft Fred Matua...in the 7th fucking round.

Millen should still be canned. This draft is pretty bad, even for the Lions.

i dont follow the lions so i dont know anything about their needs. but i do go to almost every badger home game (and some away games) and i can say that calhoun is awesome. mola's bush comparison is legit, although calhoun isnt as good they are very similar in style. you guys should be pretty happy that you got him, and i predict that by the end of the season he will be getting major carry time, if not starting in place of jones. all us badger fans were sad when he said he was going in the draft, but for being a 'junior' he was ready to go considering he was going into his 5th or 6th year of school. i was hoping the cowboys would take him but they have more of a logjam at RB than the lions, so oh well.

Well, you guys STILL managed to draft Fred Matua...in the 7th fucking round.

Millen should still be canned. This draft is pretty bad, even for the Lions.

I think we did pretty good. Nothing too flashy, but we got solid, starting caliber players that we needed. I think we did great, actually. Sims is going to make some noise and Bullocks is a player. He's going to surprise some people. How the hell can you complain about a seventh rounder?? What's wrong with you??

The reason why I am so disappointed in this draft is because we drafted on perceived need and ignored actual needs.

Sims is going to be a good player (when healthy) but he would've been available anytime before pick # 17. In his place we could've picked Ngata, Bunkley, Hali all of whom would've served a need and would've provided better value at #9. And we still have an opening at MLB.

I don't mind the Bullocks selection in round two but the fact that a guy like Ko Simpson was available in the 4th makes me think that we could've addressed other needs in the 2nd.

The third round is where I am extremely disappointed. The highest rated OG (Giles) was still available and we elected to do nothing. Gabe Watson (DT) and Babatunde Oshinowo (DT) were still onboard and we didn't even consider selecting them. And that is with Wilkinson's return still up in the air. Anthony Schlegel was also available when we made a selection and would've filled a need (MLB) unlike Sims and Calhoun.

I personally like the Jonathan Scott selection is Round 5, so I can't complain.

In Round 6, we still had a shot at Babatunde Oshinowo and we passed on him again. Greg Eslinger was also available. Instead we went with a developmental guy.

I usually don't care about 7th round seletions because most of them don't make the team but Fred Matua was an excellent value in the 7th.

I don't think anyone is arguing that Millen shouldn't be canned. We have all known that for years. Anyway, about the draft.

I still strongly believe there was a trade to be had at #9 and still get Sims. We would have at least netted a third rounder out of it. I would have deflinitely threatened Arizona that we were going to move our pick to Minnesota, and then offer it to them only at a bargain 3rd rounder since it was moving down one pick and we didn't want Leinart to go in division. That would have been Giles in addition to Calhoun. Had we done that, I would have been happy with this draft.

I'm shocked the Lions didn't trade down from the 9th pick, just shocked.

You gotta think that Sims would have been there as late as 15, maybe later with all of the new concussion reports coming out on him.

I'm shocked the Lions didn't trade down from the 9th pick, just shocked.

You gotta think that Sims would have been there as late as 15, maybe later with all of the new concussion reports coming out on him.

Actually word is teams were trying to jump in front of Lions to get at Sims. Supposedly Millen was on the phone with another team trying to get at Sims while they were on the clock.

It's hard to say if Sims would of lasted till 15. Besides if this is the guy that was #1 on their board (as Millen says) even ahead of Huff why not just take him when you can?

I wonder how anyone actually confirms that teams were trying to get ahead of the Lions to specifically get Sims? If other teams told the Lions that they wanted Sims, there's a pretty good chance that they really wanted someone else.

It's not out of the realm of possibility that reports coming from the Lions that others wanted Sims are nothing more than Millenesque spin doctoring as he tries to win public/media approval for this pick.

Not saying that is what is going on, but it's completely possible.

I wonder how anyone actually confirms that teams were trying to get ahead of the Lions to specifically get Sims? If other teams told the Lions that they wanted Sims, there's a pretty good chance that they really wanted someone else.

It's not out of the realm of possibility that reports coming from the Lions that others wanted Sims are nothing more than Millenesque spin doctoring as he tries to win public/media approval for this pick.

Not saying that is what is going on, but it's completely possible.

Sure, all these reports are one sided and as always benefit the Lions. That's not the point. Trading up or down is very difficult to do and we don't know they didn't try. I don't think anyone was falling for the Lions taking a QB since they just invested in two new ones. I am sure that may of hurt they negotiating power.

We have no reason to trust the Lions, which is really what's at play here but again if Ernie Sims "was" as they say #1 on their draft board why not just take him you can?

Ernie Sims is supposedly the perfect fit for the Tampa2 as a weakside linebacker. He's the best LB that FSU has put out since Brooks. The kid knocked his own brother out in a game before. i like the pick and think he's gonna wreck havoc on as the weakside LB and in coverage as well.

"Actually word is teams were trying to jump in front of Lions to get at Sims. Supposedly Millen was on the phone with another team trying to get at Sims while they were on the clock."

They can have him! Anybody that wants to look at the sunny side of things with this sims pick is lost with blue goggles on. An undersized, underachieving linebacker with concussion problems! Just great!

This dude was the #1 recruit in the country coming out of high school. Heard much about his since?

Kitna for a year and then bring in a USC Heisman Trophy winner seemed to work out okay for Cincy. I would have liked to see the same.

I'm shocked the Lions didn't trade down from the 9th pick, just shocked.

You gotta think that Sims would have been there as late as 15, maybe later with all of the new concussion reports coming out on him.

I think the Lions just weren't really willing to take the chance. Here's the deal...Arizona's Denny Green said that he planned on taking Sims and the only reason they wouldn't was because Leinart fell to them. Now if the Lions traded with someone else and they took Leinart with #9, Sims is gone at 10. Personally I think if you have a guy that you're in love with and think he's going to be the perfect pick, sometimes you've just gotta go do it. I mean, is anyone still hating on Indy for taking Freeney and not getting better value at that pick? Probably not. Further on the value point, Millen said that the offers he got were lame, even if it's a little something, he probably would have gotten reemed even more if he move down and only got a 4th rd pick, which is what he claimed he was offered.

As for my take on the draft, I think Millen did a fairly solid job of addressing some needs.

Our linebaking core leaves much to be desired so any help that they bring in on that makes me happy. Getting another safety was also a need. I'm not sure Bullock was the best choice when reading his scouting report which says things like "little to no upside, can't tackle and plays slower than his 40 time." Hopefully, the Lions know something those guys don't.

If rumors are true that Eddie Drummond is less than impressive and Pinner might be on his way out, then Calhoun could be a great back up plan. First and foremost he's better than Pinner, Harris and Bryson, so we know have a legit back up when Kevin Jones inevitably gets injured. He also gives us a guy in the return game now that RW is gone and knowing that Eddie Drummond will miss sometime inevitably. Millen also mentioned that he could have value as a slot option...so to get all of that- great pick, even if it didn't fill one of our more prominent needs.

I think with proper coaching, we got a steal with Jonathan Scott and great value with Fred Mutua. The other guys I doubt make the team, but what can you expect from 6th and 7th rders for the most part? Overall I think we did pretty well, and we've still got a little bit of cash for June 15th cuts...maybe they'll get another DT there, if Wilkinson doesn't come back, I'm still happy with Shaun and Cody in the middle.

People are ragging on Millen for the draft picks, but that's to be expected. People just like to rag on Millen. I don't think it really would've mattered who the Lions selected, nothing can stop Lion fans from continuing to assault the easy target.

I'm hoping that Marinelli got his type of players in the draft - eager to learn, lovers of the game, guys with heart. And from the looks of it, he did. I'd much rather have guys who will come in busting their humps from day one than the flashy big-name guys who may or may not be good workers (see Rogers, Chuck). I don't know much about these guys, but I do trust Marinelli to go out and get the right players with the right mind sets.

For those who are whining that we didn't get flashy players like Leinart - has Joe D taught you nothing? Character combined with talent always trumps raw talent with little motivation.

"Actually word is teams were trying to jump in front of Lions to get at Sims. Supposedly Millen was on the phone with another team trying to get at Sims while they were on the clock."

They can have him! Anybody that wants to look at the sunny side of things with this sims pick is lost with blue goggles on. An undersized, underachieving linebacker with concussion problems! Just great!

This dude was the #1 recruit in the country coming out of high school. Heard much about his since?

Kitna for a year and then bring in a USC Heisman Trophy winner seemed to work out okay for Cincy. I would have liked to see the same.

I mean do we really know this is a bad pick? Can I at least see him in some preseason games before we label him as a garbage?

People are ragging on Millen for the draft picks, but that's to be expected. People just like to rag on Millen. I don't think it really would've mattered who the Lions selected, nothing can stop Lion fans from continuing to assault the easy target.

I'm hoping that Marinelli got his type of players in the draft - eager to learn, lovers of the game, guys with heart. And from the looks of it, he did. I'd much rather have guys who will come in busting their humps from day one than the flashy big-name guys who may or may not be good workers (see Rogers, Chuck). I don't know much about these guys, but I do trust Marinelli to go out and get the right players with the right mind sets.

For those who are whining that we didn't get flashy players like Leinart - has Joe D taught you nothing? Character combined with talent always trumps raw talent with little motivation.

Who here is upset about not getting Leinart? We just got rid of one piano playing metrosexual that didn't fit in because of his personality and now someone is upset cause we didn't take the budding soap opera star? People are truly weird.

People are ragging on Millen for the draft picks, but that's to be expected. People just like to rag on Millen. I don't think it really would've mattered who the Lions selected, nothing can stop Lion fans from continuing to assault the easy target.

I'm hoping that Marinelli got his type of players in the draft - eager to learn, lovers of the game, guys with heart. And from the looks of it, he did. I'd much rather have guys who will come in busting their humps from day one than the flashy big-name guys who may or may not be good workers (see Rogers, Chuck). I don't know much about these guys, but I do trust Marinelli to go out and get the right players with the right mind sets.

For those who are whining that we didn't get flashy players like Leinart - has Joe D taught you nothing? Character combined with talent always trumps raw talent with little motivation.

Who here is upset about not getting Leinart? We just got rid of one piano playing metrosexual that didn't fit in because of his personality and now someone is upset cause we didn't take the budding soap opera star? People are truly weird.


Holy Shit.


The Lions Can Get Matt Leinart.

I wouldn't have minded drafting Leinart if we hadn't just signed two capable QBs. In fact, I'd be happy as shit.

Part of me even wishes that we would have taken him just to trade him.

Anytime you can get a guy that would have went #1 overall a year ago, and then he went out and had a better year this year, there's got to be value there.

I'm guessing that they considered that route, but Millen really isn't in a position to take any gambles like that given the situation that he has put himself in.

It's good that he was taken ahead of us JS, otherwise you'd be super pissed when Millen passed on him. They said yesterday that they had no intention of taking guys with mental baggage and off the field issues. So Jimmy and Winston were out.

"Here's the deal...Arizona's Denny Green said that he planned on taking Sims and the only reason they wouldn't was because Leinart fell to them."

That's exactly the thinking we should have went with. We would have taken Sims, but Leinart fell to us.


Did someone really compare Matt Leinart to Joey Harrington above? Okay, so Joey didn't work out. I guess we shouldn't ever draft a highly touted quarterback coming out of college ever again since Joey didn't work out. Good logic!

Leinart won 2 National Championships, won the Heisman trophy, and lost only 2 games in his entire career. I don't think Joey has that resume. Give me a break. I guess we can't draft a highly touted WR again either considering our recent drafts. I guess we shouldn't draft a highly touted offensive lineman either considering our past. According to this brilliant logic, I don't know if there is a position we can draft. Some fans are ridiculous.

Tre be happy you didnt get him. your line cant block for his statue in the pocket ass. his arm is about as strong as harringtons, if that even. Drafting him woulda been a cold thing to do to him with 2 QB's almost sure to be ahead of him on the depth chart.

i find it odd that USC's acheivements are looked at as a legitimate reason to think leinharts all world. that team was good. he's eating the fruit of that. reggie bush, lendell white, a solid o-line, a damn good defense(darnell bing in oakland baby :) ). those are the qb's with the best chance to bust IMO. not saying he will though. but measuring him extra higher because of USC only losing 2 games isnt a good idea IMO. i dont even feel he was the deciding factor in that. if reggie bush gets injured how many does he win? i think USC contends for the title w/o leinhart if they still have bush and white. 8.9 ypc is ridiculous and was done with teams keying in on him.

i think the cardinals is a great fit for him. and fuck whose the most hyped guy. its all about who fits your team. if you draft the most talented fit, you'll always have an atleast ok draft. especially in the lions case where they are on the verge of being solid if they fill out the proper holes in their team.

"Here's the deal...Arizona's Denny Green said that he planned on taking Sims and the only reason they wouldn't was because Leinart fell to them."

That's exactly the thinking we should have went with. We would have taken Sims, but Leinart fell to us.


Did someone really compare Matt Leinart to Joey Harrington above? Okay, so Joey didn't work out. I guess we shouldn't ever draft a highly touted quarterback coming out of college ever again since Joey didn't work out. Good logic!

Leinart won 2 National Championships, won the Heisman trophy, and lost only 2 games in his entire career. I don't think Joey has that resume. Give me a break. I guess we can't draft a highly touted WR again either considering our recent drafts. I guess we shouldn't draft a highly touted offensive lineman either considering our past. According to this brilliant logic, I don't know if there is a position we can draft. Some fans are ridiculous.

I didn't compare them on play but I compared them on personality. The last thing that locker room needed was another pretty boy. That locker room desperatley needs leadership and masculinity which I don't think Leniart is high on. The fans would turn on Leinart the instant he devotes one second to his hollywood career. That plays well in California or maybe New York but not here in Detroit. The fans and locker room will brand him a pussy in the next month.

Secondly, you want me to compare the two as far as QB ability? Here it is....Joey Harrington has a better arm than Leinart could ever dream. Joey Harrington would of put up similar numbers if he had the same OL and Offensive talent that Leinart had.

GO back and watch Joey at Oregon and you will see that ol noodle arm had a cannon compared to Leinart.

It's no secret that Leinart throws balls much like Chad Pennington and though he might be the most NFL ready of the 3 QB's in this draft he also has the least upside.

Don't get too caught up on the QB comparison, since it's just my opinion... the biggest knock on Leinart as a Detroit lion is the pretty boy hollywood angle I mentioned in the first paragraph.

It's no secret that Leinart throws balls much like Chad Pennington and though he might be the most NFL ready of the 3 QB's in this draft he also has the least upside.
people get sensitive when you tell the truth about leinharts arm. thus i just pretend he can halfway throw hard. but pennington is about right. his arm is a lil stronger than pennington. but not much.

On the Lions trading Down. Here's one Millen said no to. I like what Millen was demanding. The Jets should of did the trade if they wanted Leinart.


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/413600p-349704c.html


Deal for Leinart fell short


http://www.nydailynews.com/ips_rich_content/598-leinhart.JPGIf Jets had been able to make deal with Lions for No. 9 pick, Matt Leinart would have been displaying Gang Green gear instead. The Jets view left tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson as the infrastructure for their offense. And after taking him with the fourth pick, they tried to construct a luxury high-rise around him: Matt Leinart.

Not long after picking Ferguson and passing on Leinart, the Daily News has learned, the Jets were furiously working the phones Saturday trying to move back into the top 10 to get the USC quarterback.

They held serious discussions with the Lions at No. 9, but were unwilling to meet Detroit's price. If GM Mike Tannenbaum had been able to get Leinart to go along with Ferguson, it would have been the the most productive draft day in Jets' history.

Predraft speculation was that the Jets had Vanderbilt's Jay Cutler rated over Leinart, but sources insist the Jets had Leinart listed over Cutler. Leinart was definitely whom the Jets were targeting when negotiating with Detroit.

The Lions were willing to move down to the No. 29 spot, the second of the Jets' two No. 1 picks, which they had acquired in the John Abraham trade. The Jets offered that pick, plus their third-round pick at No. 71, for No. 9, clearly not enough. But when the Lions demanded the Jets' second-round pick (35th) in addition to the first- and third-rounders, talks broke down and the Lions selected linebacker Ernie Sims.

The cost to move up the 20 spots is more than the 29th and 71st picks, and the Jets surely knew that, but their unwillingless to part with the second-rounder didn't leave any room for negotiating. If the Jets had given up those three picks, the Lions would have had to part with a later pick to make things even on the draft value chart all teams use.

At the same time they were talking to the Lions, the Jets called the Cardinals, who were picking 10th. But Arizona had no interest in trading. For good reason, of course. They took Leinart themselves.

The Jets never were interested in taking Leinart with the fourth pick. They felt they couldn't pass up Ferguson, who plays the most important position on the offensive line. But the Jets obviously liked Leinart enough that they tried to double-dip in the top 10.

Even so, passing on Leinart at No. 4 was a mistake. They could have rectified that by making the trade with Detroit. If the Jets had been able to squeeze the Falcons for their own No. 1 pick (15th) in the Abraham trade - they didn't get enough for him - they would have had enough ammunition to pull off the trade with Detroit. Ironically, the Broncos, who wound up with that Atlanta pick in the three-way Abraham deal, moved up from that spot to the Rams' No. 11 spot and took Cutler. The price: a third-round pick, No. 68. The Jets' chances of getting Leinart improved when the Raiders passed on him at No. 7 to take Texas safety Michael Huff, the player the Lions wanted. The Jets never had to worry about Lions GM Matt Millen taking Leinart. Detroit is still having Joey Harrington nightmares. Detroit was the highest team on the board the Jets called. Fifteen years ago, the Jets desperately tried to trade up for Brett Favre. They couldn't get a deal done and Favre went one spot ahead of them to the Falcons. The Jets took Browning Nagle. If Leinart becomes an All-Pro, the Jets will regret passing on him and then not paying enough when they had a second chance.

Nice find.

To me, that re-affirms that drafting Leinart and then trading him was indeed a viable option for the Lions, but as I said, Millen just wasn't in a solid enough position to be that aggressive.

I just hope that it doesn't come out that they had a deal nearly completed and then just ran out of time on the clock.

Nice find.

To me, that re-affirms that drafting Leinart and then trading him was indeed a viable option for the Lions, but as I said, Millen just wasn't in a solid enough position to be that aggressive.

I just hope that it doesn't come out that they had a deal nearly completed and then just ran out of time on the clock.

Trading is always a viable option but wouldn't that piece signal that Millen was trying to be aggressive? The Jets weren't offering a fair value for the 9th pick and Millen did the right thing by demanding the 2nd rounder in addition the first and third.

GD, I think this all came down to teams knowing the lions were not going to select a QB with that pick. Millen pulled off a great trade a few years ago when he got Roy and KJ. If the Lions were any threat to taking one of those QB's then maybe someone looks to trade up for them. You hate anyone named Sims is all.

So if multiple teams all think and are banking on you not taking a QB, then you call their bluff and take the QB with the intent of trading him. That would be being aggressive.

(To be clear, I think what Millen was asking for in the additional 2nd was the right thing, but if they never thought we were going to take Leinart, there isn't as much leverage. As soon as the Lions select Leinart, the Jets may quite possibly have come begging the Lions to take their 2nd, maybe they even get a better deal from a team like Arizona or Denver, at minimum, they could have played them against each other).

And if not, you are stuck with a QB that you only took to look tough in front of other GMs. Now that's a solid reason to make a pick...

You only go that route if you are 100% convinced that the interest is there, obviously.

Could we have squeezed Arizona if we drafted Lineart and then traded him for #10 (Sims) and another pick? I dunno, but it only took them, what, less than 2 minutes to turn in the Lineart pick? That is a signal that there was value there with Lineart at 9, IMO.

100% convinced? Like they already agreed to a deal and thus there is no need to make the pick to show how much leverage you have? Maybe that's how you do it up there in Canada. But in the US, if you can't make a deal you do what's best for your team. You don't choose guys you don't want just to play drafting tough guy.

Okay, maybe I'm just looking too hard for reasons to criticize/2nd guess Millen.

I still think they could have/should have traded down from 9 if they were going to take a LB in this draft, that has been my position for a long time now, and nothing changed that this weekend.

Hopefully I'm wrong and Sims is a periennial Pro Bowler.

It's good that he was taken ahead of us JS, otherwise you'd be super pissed when Millen passed on him. They said yesterday that they had no intention of taking guys with mental baggage and off the field issues. So Jimmy and Winston were out.
If they were so adamant about not taking guys with off-the-field issues, why did they take Sims?

Well, you guys STILL managed to draft Fred Matua...in the 7th fucking round.

Millen should still be canned. This draft is pretty bad, even for the Lions.

I think we did pretty good. Nothing too flashy, but we got solid, starting caliber players that we needed. I think we did great, actually. Sims is going to make some noise and Bullocks is a player. He's going to surprise some people. How the hell can you complain about a seventh rounder?? What's wrong with you??

LOL. Compliment, not a complaint.

It's good that he was taken ahead of us JS, otherwise you'd be super pissed when Millen passed on him. They said yesterday that they had no intention of taking guys with mental baggage and off the field issues. So Jimmy and Winston were out.
If they were so adamant about not taking guys with off-the-field issues, why did they take Sims?

For the same reason we took a RB even though the intend or already re-signed Pinner, Bryson and Harris. This is the Lions, this is Matt Millen. I think they look at Sims family and the fact that his father is a preacher and perhaps looked past his day in the life of Jason Kidd. Also, one issue he didn't have is hard work. A knock on both Jimmy Williams and Winston Justice.