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Source: Nash to be MVP
Suns guard would be 10th player to win award in consecutive seasons

Paul Coro
The Arizona Republic
Apr. 26, 2006

Suns star Steve Nash will be named the NBA's Most Valuable Player for a second straight season, according to a league source familiar with the voting.

The announcement may not come for two weeks, like last season's May 8 ceremony. The votes have been tabulated in what was expected to be a close race with LeBron James, Dirk Nowitzki, Chauncey Billups and Kobe Bryant.

Nash won the fourth-closest MVP vote last year, edging Shaquille O'Neal a year after Nash was not even an All-Star.

Nash, 32, impressed voters this season by posting career highs in scoring (18.8 points per game), rebounding (4.2 per game), field goal percentage (.512) and free-throw percentage (NBA-best .921). He led the league in assists again with 10.5 per game and finished sixth in three-point shooting (43.9 percent).

After Amaré Stoudemire's knee surgery deprived the Suns of their top scorer, Nash led the team to 54 wins and its first repeat division title with only Shawn Marion and Leandro Barbosa back for a full season.

Nash would be the first international and Suns player to win twice.

Only nine previous players repeated as MVP winners. Magic Johnson was the only point guard to do so.

Billups got robbed[smilie=rocket.gif]

well, at least we'll stop hearing MVP chants at every FT attempt....

There were at least 2 guys more deserving than Nash. What a traveshamockery.

I am cool with Nash. No one got robbed. There was no clear standout this year and the award could of went deservingly to any of 5 players.

I think Nash deserved it more this year than last year.

I've said my peace on Nash, he wouldn't have been on the top 10 on my ballot, but I understand what people are voting for here.

What a crock!!! Nash doesn't deserve it as much as Bron, Kobe, or Dirk. The NBA Awards are now officially meaningless after this and the COTY award. (Avery Johnson can kiss my left butt cheek!)

I guess this should have been expected.

When you lose guys like Amare & Joe Johnson and you do this...


Nash, 32, impressed voters this season by posting career highs in scoring (18.8 points per game), rebounding (4.2 per game), field goal percentage (.512) and free-throw percentage (NBA-best .921). He led the league in assists again with 10.5 per game and finished sixth in three-point shooting (43.9 percent).

And then the 4 or 5 guys that they brought in during the offseason all have career years, then how can you really argue that much?

I guess this should have been expected.

When you lose guys like Amare & Joe Johnson and you do this...



And then the 4 or 5 guys that they brought in during the offseason all have career years, then how can you really argue that much?

Just a few reasons why Mike D'Antoni is the COTY, integrating all of those players into his scheme that give everyone in gaudy numbers. It's like calling a Florida receiver the best in the country under the Steve Spurrier score 50 pointd a game. ANY receiver is going to get big numbers. Nash as the MVP of the NBA, twice, is just horrible. Is he now MVP two more times than a guys like John Stockton and Isiah Thomas?

I guess this should have been expected.

When you lose guys like Amare & Joe Johnson and you do this...



And then the 4 or 5 guys that they brought in during the offseason all have career years, then how can you really argue that much?

His numbers are impressive, but so are Lebron's. It's also easy for guys to record career highs when their MPG all have a massive jump.

My vote for COY would have went to D'Antoni as well.

At the AS break I had Nash for MVP, at the end of the year, I switched to Dirk with Nash 2nd.

PHX had an amazing year all things considered, and they're not done yet.

Should have been Chauncey :mad:

The more amazing thing was that Kobe supposedly finished 5th....

I've never cared about this award. I wouldn't have cared no matter who won it.

Nash didn't deserve it last season and he doesn't deserve it this season.

I'm not gonna get all worked up though. I said my piece last season.

Most Vocal Player = Rasheed Wallace

You can the MVP award and not play a lick of defense!

What a great message the NBA is sending.

Just a few reasons why Mike D'Antoni is the COTY, integrating all of those players into his scheme that give everyone in gaudy numbers. It's like calling a Florida receiver the best in the country under the Steve Spurrier score 50 pointd a game. ANY receiver is going to get big numbers. Nash as the MVP of the NBA, twice, is just horrible. Is he now MVP two more times than a guys like John Stockton and Isiah Thomas?
Maybe D-antoni is. But I still say Phoenix is nowhere near as consistently good w/o nash. They arent a playoff legitimate contender w/o him. And I dont even think they could win a series against the Fakers w/o him. And i must reiterate that i think Nash is a corny looking douche. Not even a fan of his game really. but theres no ripoff in him getting it. And there was no clear cut MVP in this race.

Chauncey will win the real MVP in June ;)

Chauncey will win the real MVP in June ;)

Truthful: book it.

Take Nash away from the Suns=Lottery


Take Billups away from the Pistons= Not as good as we are now, but still probably central divison champs.


I don't even see how Billups is the MVP, He's got 3 other all stars on his team.


Yes, I know Nash did too last year, but Phoenix sucked untill Nash got there. We went 50-32 the year before Chauncey got here. Before the year started everyone thought Phoenix would prbably be the 8th seed, and Nash proved them wrong again. Thats why he deserves another MVP award. Otherwise I would have gave it to Kobe.



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NASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






Don't throw out a million exclamation points and throw off the whole thread format.

-MOLA1




Ok

-Steve

Phoenix had Amare and Marion for 2 years, and they werent even a .500 team.

Like it or not, Nash is the guy that makes that team go.

The two years before Nash they went to the postseason the 1st year and missed the playoffs the 2nd. The second year Amare was injured, Marbury+Hardaway was traded, and their coach was fired.

People need to quit acting like he was the great messiah to Phoenix or something. He's just as valuable as Rasheed was in 2004: a huge piece, but probably not the biggest.

You don't give the MVP award to a player who is good on only side of the court, or to a player that plays on a team that won't be competing for a title(Kobe, LeBron, Nash). The Suns were not championship contenders without Nash, and they're not with Nash.

Fuck Nash and his no D ass. Marion is the real MVP of that team.

If defense was a prerequisite for being MVP, then Magic should have every MVP taken away from him. He was every bit as bad on defense as Nash is now.

With Nash the Suns win. Without him, they lose. You can thrown any other combination of players on either side. The facts remain the same.

I wouldnt have even voted for Nash this year, but the level of hate for him in here needs a different viewpoint.

Take Nash off the team, put Amare on it and the Suns MIGHT with 40 games. That offense doesnt run without Nash to get people the ball. Marion deserves a ton fo credit for doing what he does, but he doesnt make anybody else better.

LOL@ "Ok - Steve"

That's pimp.

With Nash the Suns win. Without him, they lose. You can thrown any other combination of players on either side. The facts remain the same..
seconded...

i accidentally typed this in an inappropriate thread. to put it succinctly, im flabergasted.

" heard rome say nash won mvp.

1) if nash is the mvp, why is every sane suns fan wishing this didnt come out until they were done with the lakers. kobe is going to bring the apocalypse with him against the suns... if tables were turned, would anyone say 'ooh, nash is going to be pissed. watch out!"? no.

2) nash has illigitimized mvp. mvp no longer means best player. so does that get you consideration for the hall, or a best player of all time list? i dont see how it can. and btw, i completely blame the internet for nash winning. you think ten years ago people were writing articles about the mvp with "mvsfoihjweip", or "mvsldfkjoweifjp" being discussed?"

Kstat - I'm not gonna get into this.

I will say that Nash is their Billups. Vitally important to their team, but he should not be a serious MVP candidate.

He's one cog in the machine.

And let's remember that the machine is solely designed to take advantage of his skills.

With the all-offense, no defense style of the Suns, Nash's numbers should be adjusted for inflation. Still, the number of wins needs no adjustment. Was pulling for LeBron, but I'll settle for the Hoser.

Kstat - I'm not gonna get into this.

I will say that Nash is their Billups. Vitally important to their team, but he should not be a serious MVP candidate.

He's one cog in the machine.

And let's remember that the machine is solely designed to take advantage of his skills.

That's a good point. Still, for fun I would ask, if Billups and Nash were to switch teams, what would happen? I'm guessing Pistons have about the same number of wins... I'm not sure, however, that the Suns would do as well. If so, then Chauncey wouldn't be as versatile as Nash. This is kinda an irrelevant standard though since we're talking about who's most valuable to their own team, not to some hypothetical one.

IMO, Chauncey is on too well-rounded a team to win the award. He can thank Rip for adding up his assists, but he can also blame him, too.

If you put Billups on their team, changed their system to incorporate his skills and they still had Marion and Diaw?

Please, obviously they'd do very well.

Same thing if you put Lebron or Kobe on that team.

Nash with us? Same thing, we'd be fine and win a lot of games.

But who is the better player? Nash or Billups?

Kobe or Nash? Lebron or Nash?

IMO the MVP should be given to the best player in the league. Nash had a great season, but he's not the best player.

If every player was available in a Draft where would he get picked?

i posted this on... another forum...

"nash? c'mon. kobe is about to bring the apocalypse upon the suns, just because he got snubbed. the suns should be afraid right now. think we'd say the same if it was kobe who won? ha.

the mvp has turned into a joke (i blame espn. over analysis has fubar'd the award). we've turned the mvp, which i always assumed went to the best player in the league, into the most VvvvvAaaaaLllllUuuuuuAaaaaBbbbbbLllllllEeeeeee player. how do you define valuable? probably no two definitions are the same for any two voters (i always thought big men were the most valuable guys in basketball, and were giving it to a 6'3" dude--twice?!?). so what the hell does the award mean?

i kind of bought into what lebatard was saying with the latent racism thing last year, but this year it damn near seals the deal. 'experts' have literally bent over backwards to justify nash being the mvp. why? i can only come up with one explanation: skin color.

ps: if your kobe or lebron, are you thinking "what do i have to do to get the mvp?" seriously, how do you do more than they did? nash has a better supporting cast, much better coach, better gm, and won 3 (?) more games than lebron (with significantly worse numbers). what could lebron have done this season?"

Some people really need to get over this.

He won the award. The world is not coming to and end. Enough with this racial shit. If that's the best reason you can think of, youve got your head in the wrong place. Stephen A Smith had an MVP vote too. Who did he vote for? Steve Nash.

LeBatard making that argument is the perfect reason why it ISNT a good one.

The greatest player of all time scored more points in 1987 than either Kobe or Lebron, and tooka WORSE team to the playoffs. And he didnt with the MVP.

Wilt averaged 50ppg and didnt win MVP.

Oscar averaged a TRIPLE DOUBLE and didnt win MVP.

If Kobe or LeBron wanted the award THAT badly, they might want to win more games than nash next time.

In either case, who gives a fuck. I would have voted for Kobe, but I'm not voting. Kobe and LeBron will win plenty of MVPs for themselves, nobody needs to start a collection for them.

if you didnt give a fuck you shouldnt waste your time writing, and you certainly have wasted my time expecting me to read it.

race doesnt play a factor? ok, maybe its not THE reason he won. but i think it got him alot more attention.

again, what more could kobe or lebron have done? like jordan said, "lets see them make these guys better" (in referance to magic "making" abdul-jabbar and james worthy better, or bird "making" mchale and parish better).

im pretty sure kobe did pretty well with chris mihm (!), kwame brown (!!), and smush parker (!!!!) in his starting lineup, and no bench to speak of. give lebron d'antoni, and i'll bet you cavs get 10 more wins than the suns would with whoever coaches cleveland.

last year it was bs. this year, i could probably write a 20 page paper on how fucked up this is.

btw, as i write this the lakers are up by 15 in the second quarter. kobe has 10/6/4 in like 15 minutes.

If every player was available in a Draft where would he get picked?

If there were a draft, then age would be a consideration, of course. But since we're talking about players in a one season immortal sense, I'd go with Kobe. I think he's the best player in the world, the best combination of offense and defense. I think LeBron is more unselfish, and is a better team player--but Kobe's skill set is so much greater at this point that I'd opt for Kobe, giant ego and all.

Part of me would like to see MVP be a one-time thing. Once you win, you're not eligible again.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1121/mvpwned7bm.jpg

Nash won the award last year because he made a team that was very mediocre have the best record in the league. What Billups did this year was drive his team to a 10 game improvement. Now that's not a 10 game improvement to a crappy team, this is a 10 game improvement to a team that won 54 games last year! In my opinion, that is reason alone to give it to Chauncey. Keep in mind that they could have easily won 3 more at the end of the season, but were in cruise mode.

Should Chauncey have won the award? Maybe. But I think Nash should have been 4th on that list behind Billups, Lebron and Kobe. You can't give D'Antoni as much credit as he recieved and then also give it to Nash. It's one or the other, IMO.

Some people really need to get over this.


No one needs to get over this. It's a good topic and worth debating.

Why does Nash win over Kobe or Lebron?

Race might play some part but let's not go there. I think in the end it has very little to do with his selection anyway.


If Kobe or LeBron wanted the award THAT badly, they might want to win more games than nash next time.


So now Nash is the measuring stick for the MVP Award?

THAT is exactly why he never should have won the award ONCE and now they've given it to him TWICE!

He is not the player you measure everyone else against. He's lucky to make the Top 10 list.

Lebron and Kobe did more individually this season than Nash. And it is an individual award. Nash might make that team go but he's armed with Marion, the MIP in Diaw, the Coach of the Year and a bunch of shooters.

Kobe has Kwame, Mihm, Odom, Parker and now I have to read articles about Sasha Vujaric? WTF! Yeah, Kobe's supporting cast is stellar.

Lebron has a better supporting cast than Kobe, which is why I went for Bryant in the first place.

So you have 2 guys who run the whole fucking team (Nash v Kobe)

One guy gets his team more wins, but then again he has a better supporting cast so he fucking should.

One guy has to face triple teams every night and score serious points for his team to have ANY fucking chance at a win. And Kobe still made the playoffs!

I honestly can't see how anyone in their right fucking mind can claim that Nash had a better season than Kobe.

BTW, anyone wanting to vote for Billups can suck my fuck. Ben isn't equally as valuable as Billups? Whatever you think is fair I guess.

Bottom Line: Nash winning the award cheapens it IMO

He's not the best player, possibly not even the best PG!

Yet he's a 2-time MVP? LMMFAO

The thing I don't get is last year they gave it to the best player on the best team win loss wise.

This year, they're giving it to the 2nd best player (Shawn Marion was the reason they had the year they did) on the 4th best team?

Doesn't make much sense to me. Especially when you consider that Kidd never won MVP when he put an average Nets team on his back and ran them all the way to the NBA finals. And they basically gave Nash the award 2 years in a row, for doing something similar. Doesn't make sense to me what so ever. Because of Billups, a great team got greater. Thats more of a reason to give it to him.

And, to top that off, when the pistons played the suns this year, Billups made Nash look stupid in both games. He outplayed him every time.

This is a bull shit award. But like I said, Billups will have the real MVP in June, and Nash is going to have to pull a Jesus Christ miracle out of his ass to get the suns past the 2nd round, if they even get out of the 1st round.

Well said, Anthony. Let's be honest: what is better? Two regular season MVPs, or two NBA finals MVPs? I'll let Chauncey answer that one.

Did anybody mention that Nash has single handedly kept the Suns at a high level WITHOUT the services of, IMO, the most dominant player in the league?

Would Marion have had such a season without Nash? Probably not.

Nash also plays the game the way it should be played... the way it used to be played before the NBA morphed itself into the National Streetball Association.

But I wouldn't have voted for him. I would have voted for LBJ. Kid's 21, with the weight of both shitty Cleveland AND the future of the NBA upon his shoulders. All he's done is have one of the best across the board offensive seasons in a while.

In fact, the reasons I wouldn't have voted for Nash have nothing to do with his game:
a) he's Canadian
b) he plays soccer
c) his hair sucks ass
d) Steve is in love with him.

Denny, I see where you're coming from on that, but that would then mean that D'Antoni had nothing to do with their success this year. He finished second in COY voting. I've always thought that you can't have the COY and the MVP on the same team. D'Antoni was the reason Nash did so well this year. Obviously Nash is a hell of a player, one of the best in the league, but MVP...TWICE??? Two time MVP puts him in some nice company, some company he doesn't deserve to be in.

NASH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






Don't throw out a million exclamation points and throw off the whole thread format.

-MOLA1




Ok

-SteveLMFAO!!!!!!!!

back to back mvps with no ring? fuck outta here stern, the award means nothing now.

back to back mvps with no ring? fuck outta here stern, the award means nothing now.

You want a list of MVPs who won the award without winning a ring?

When was the last time the MVP won the championship, anyway? 2000?

And yes, blame Stern for an award he has no power in deciding..

I'm sorry, I'm no Jasion Kidd fan by any stretch, but if he couldnt win the award those two years the nets were good, then Steve fucking Nash shouldnt win the award at all. Not this year or last.

Did anybody mention that Nash has single handedly kept the Suns at a high level WITHOUT the services of, IMO, the most dominant player in the league?

Would Marion have had such a season without Nash? Probably not.
Marion and Amare both personally played great without Nash and without a stud fast break PG of any description, after Marbury and before Nash in 2004. The year before in 2003, with Marbury, they took the Spurs to 6 games in the playoffs. Nash isn't so much about elevating superstars, but the Diaws and QRichs of the world benefit big-time.

Did anybody mention that Nash has single handedly kept the Suns at a high level WITHOUT the services of, IMO, the most dominant player in the league?

Would Marion have had such a season without Nash? Probably not.
Marion and Amare both personally played great without Nash and without a stud fast break PG of any description, after Marbury and before Nash in 2004. The year before in 2003, with Marbury, they took the Spurs to 6 games in the playoffs. Nash isn't so much about elevating superstars, but the Diaws and QRichs of the world benefit big-time.


They missed the playoffs one year and snuck in as a #8 seed the other.

You're over-glorifying them just a tad....They put up great numbers without Nash but they did not win games.

Even without Nash the last 2 years, they still couldnt win games.

Nash won the award because he's a unique player. Part of his uniqueness is that he's white. So race might have been a factor, but I don't think it was predominant or controlling.

Didn't do much for Nowitizki anyway.

I thought Kstat didn't give a fuck about this subject?

Nash won the award because he's a unique player. Part of his uniqueness is that he's white. So race might have been a factor, but I don't think it was predominant or controlling.

Didn't do much for Nowitizki anyway.

Nowitizki = Euro trash. Plus, he plays zero D. And, he's ugly.

Nash won the award because he's a unique player. Part of his uniqueness is that he's white. So race might have been a factor, but I don't think it was predominant or controlling.

Didn't do much for Nowitizki anyway.

Nowitizki = Euro trash. Plus, he plays zero D. And, he's ugly.

Like Steve Nash is some Brad Pitt-Ben Wallace hybrid.

PS. Denny please photoshop that for me.

Nash is Canadian trash, plus he's ugly and needs a haircut. He also can't keep the ball away from Smush Parker. check mate.

back to back mvps with no ring? fuck outta here stern, the award means nothing now.

You want a list of MVPs who won the award without winning a ring?

When was the last time the MVP won the championship, anyway? 2000?

And yes, blame Stern for an award he has no power in deciding..

I want a list of back to back MVP's that didn't win a ring. Read correctly and get your shit straight.

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5964/nashmvptrophy5np.jpg

That says it all right there

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5964/nashmvptrophy5np.jpg

Instant Classic!!!!! Better than Bo plowing the Boz.

It's all you need to know.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5521198729490127430&q=kobe+bryant&pl=true

Apparently from the same guy who brought you "911- Loose Change"

This one produced by LBJ.

Yep, Lebron is a creamer, too.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2154333486675664752&q=kobe+bryant&pl=true

How shocking was it that Nash won in a landslide?

Chauncey 5th?

Kobe 4th? (Okay LOL at that one)


NBA Most Valuable Player Voting
(First-place votes in parentheses)
Player Team Points
Steve Nash (57) Suns 924
LeBron James (16) Cavs 688
Dirk Nowitzki (14) Mavs 544
Kobe Bryant (22) Lakers 483
Chauncey Billups (15) Pistons 430
Dwyane Wade Heat 87
Elton Brand (1) Clippers 50
Tim Duncan Spurs 33
Tony Parker Spurs 9
Allen Iverson Sixers 1
Shawn Marion Suns 1

Elton Brand got NO LOVE!

He had similiar numbers to KG back in '03(when he was runner-up) and he only finished 7th? pffffft

Mark me down as 'strongly disagree' with this 'where would the team's record be without him? criteria for MVP.

That just penalizes CBill for playing on a good team.

If thats the criteria, change the name to the 'Best player on a shitty team Trophy.

The award is basically a joke now, like the Best Picture at the Oscars. Steve Nash is "Crash."

Mark me down as 'strongly disagree' with this 'where would the team's record be without him? criteria for MVP.

That just penalizes CBill for playing on a good team.

If thats the criteria, change the name to the 'Best player on a shitty team Trophy.


Exactly.

Some of you are arguing that since Nash means more to the Suns than any other player means to his team, he's the "most valuable player in the league". No. He's the most valuable player to the Suns. They stink without him. He's their most valuable player.

But he's not nearly the most valuable player in the league, which is what the league MVP award is supposed to be about. I consider the most valuable player in the league to be the most unstoppable no matter what team you put him on. Steve Nash wasn't even good enough to warrant a big money contract extension with Dallas, and they've been a MUCH better team without him, although he fits great with Phoenix and Phoenix is better off with him than without him.

So how does that make him the most valuable player in the league? He's wasn't even the most valuable Dallas Mav.

I'd give it to LeBron, Chauncey, Kobe, or probably a few other guys I can't think of right now >>>> Nash - guys who would be the most valuable players on their team - no matter what team they played for.

And whoever said the award sends a message that players need not bother playing defense to be considered "superstars" was right on. Giving this award to someone who is not as good as Chauncey Billups, gets abused by Chauncey Billups, can't guard Chauncey Billups and can't score on Chauncey Billups - - - how can he be the most valuable player in the league if he can't even match up with Chauncey Billups?

Without Nash, the Lakers woud be in the second round.

Nuff said.
No this is not a logical argument.

All of this hatred for Nash is really making me start to like him.

How could you have watched the last 3 games of that series and not seen what a difference maker he is?

If for some ungodly reason the Pistons are to not make it to the Finals, I'll be pulling for the Suns.

or if Grand Rapids gets a team ...

Mark me down as 'strongly disagree' with this 'where would the team's record be without him? criteria for MVP.

That just penalizes CBill for playing on a good team.

If thats the criteria, change the name to the 'Best player on a shitty team Trophy.


Exactly.

Some of you are arguing that since Nash means more to the Suns than any other player means to his team, he's the "most valuable player in the league". No. He's the most valuable player to the Suns. They stink without him. He's their most valuable player.

But he's not nearly the most valuable player in the league, which is what the league MVP award is supposed to be about. I consider the most valuable player in the league to be the most unstoppable no matter what team you put him on. Steve Nash wasn't even good enough to warrant a big money contract extension with Dallas, and they've been a MUCH better team without him, although he fits great with Phoenix and Phoenix is better off with him than without him.

So how does that make him the most valuable player in the league? He's wasn't even the most valuable Dallas Mav.

I'd give it to LeBron, Chauncey, Kobe, or probably a few other guys I can't think of right now >>>> Nash - guys who would be the most valuable players on their team - no matter what team they played for.

And whoever said the award sends a message that players need not bother playing defense to be considered "superstars" was right on. Giving this award to someone who is not as good as Chauncey Billups, gets abused by Chauncey Billups, can't guard Chauncey Billups and can't score on Chauncey Billups - - - how can he be the most valuable player in the league if he can't even match up with Chauncey Billups?


I agree with Taymelo, who is agreeing with Tahoe

I don't like the criteria either (player most valuable to his team), but until they define the criteria as otherwise, it is what it is. Totally subjective.

They really should have two awards, most valuable to his team, and most outstanding player, IMO.

GD - where does it say the MVP award is for the Most Valuable Player (to his team)?

I thought it was the award given to the Most Valuable Player by the NBA.

IMO, that means the most valuable player in the league.

I could name a roster of guys more valuable to the league than Nash.

This doesn't matter though, because at the end of the day his ass will be watching the Finals.

So will Kobe/Lebron, but at least the majority of NBA fans acknowledge one of them is the real MVP

GD - where does it say the MVP award is for the Most Valuable Player (to his team)?

That's the problem. It doesn't say that it is, it doesn't say that it isn't. It's left open to interpretation, just as it is in baseball.

Frankly, I think the NBA sees the grey area as a plus. The more debate, the more coverage in newspapers, internet, radio, etc.

They could clear it up really quick if they wanted to.

They won't clear it up for the reasons you mentioned, which is why every sane individual needs to understand that giving the award to a guy that doesn't play both ends of the floor is just fucking wrong.

One would think Detroit Piston fans would understand that, but obviously not.

Nash is not in the best player in the league. He's not the best PG.

It's fucking debatable if he's the MVP of the Suns (either Marion gives some people a moment of pause or a healthy Amare does, so how fucking valuable is Nash?)

One would assume a white guy in Oz would love the fact a white guy from Canada got the MVP twice in a row. One would be wrong.

He's the weakest fucking MVP in history - TWICE!

I'm ashamed to be an NBA fan because of this shit.

That's the problem. It doesn't say that it is, it doesn't say that it isn't. It's left open to interpretation, just as it is in baseball.

Frankly, I think the NBA sees the grey area as a plus. The more debate, the more coverage in newspapers, internet, radio, etc.

They could clear it up really quick if they wanted to.

Never thought about that. They like it the way it is. Prolly true

He's the weakest fucking MVP in history - TWICE!
Wes Unseld's season was equally weak the year he got MVP. There were some circumstances similar to Nash -- adding a bunch of wins to a losing team, with another player on his team that was arguably better (Earl the Pearl).

I can live with Nash getting MVP last year, but being a two-time MVP is a bit much for me.

Yeah, if you hear the list of other two-time winners--Russell, et al--it's even more appalling that this canuck be mentioned in such storied company. He's an excellent player and a swell guy, but he's not worthy.

It's like Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, Bernie Williams...

Pharaoh is right. It is the National Basketball Association's Most Valuable Player Award.

I see no reason why people are even ALLOWED to have different criteria. They shouldn't be. The only criteria for the National Basketball Association's Most Valuable Player Award should be "who is the most valuable player in the entire National Basketball Association?" - and that is easy to quantify and there is only ONE criteria.

You forget about age, injury history and contract value, and vote for the first guy you'd want on your team if you were starting from scratch.

To me, this year that would be Kobe or LeBron.

How many of you guys, if you were putting together an NBA team, and age, health and contract status were the same, would choose Nash as your franchise cornerstone over Kobe or LeBron?

You wouldn't, because Kobe and LeBron are the "most valuable players in the NBA", and Nash is only the most valuable player on his own team.

Nuff said.

This topic is closed.

This thread is locked.

Pharaoh and I win.

Pharaoh is right. It is the National Basketball Association's Most Valuable Player Award.

I see no reason why people are even ALLOWED to have different criteria. They shouldn't be. The only criteria for the National Basketball Association's Most Valuable Player Award should be "who is the most valuable player in the entire National Basketball Association?" - and that is easy to quantify and there is only ONE criteria.

You forget about age, injury history and contract value, and vote for the first guy you'd want on your team if you were starting from scratch.

To me, this year that would be Kobe or LeBron.

How many of you guys, if you were putting together an NBA team, and age, health and contract status were the same, would choose Nash as your franchise cornerstone over Kobe or LeBron?

You wouldn't, because Kobe and LeBron are the "most valuable players in the NBA", and Nash is only the most valuable player on his own team.

Nuff said.

This topic is closed.

This thread is locked.

Pharaoh and I win.

Not so fast my friend.

The point is that people are allowed to have different criteria because that is the way that the NBA wants it.

Your little schpiel (sp?) is fine and dandy, but you won't hear that explanation coming from the NBA, even if it would add a great deal of clarity to a very unclear issue.

But under the current system, Nash wins, the haters lose.

Maybe they should start a "first guy you'd want on your team if you were starting from scratch, of the year" award so you and Pharaoh actually can win?

Anybody still think Chauncey deserves the MVP??

I mean, I love the guy, but come on.