I figured this would have blown up on here already, but apparantly it hasn't. Scout is reporting that Shannon Brown is going to the NBA. This is completely misleading. Izzo suggested to Brown that he go the draft camp and declare eligible so that 1) He can see what he needs to work on 2) He can see where his value is now just in case it is much higher than he thought. Izzo has only done this one time prior to this year (JRich). Hopefully Brown comes back and I think he probably will. But, his athleticism might intrigue some scouts. I am impressed that Izzo is looking out for his players best interest rather than his own.

Brown isn't hiring an agent and won't leave unless he's a first round pick and maybe not unless he's a high 1st rounder. I'll be nervous until he's back in green though.

I think I said this would happen a while back and was shot down. I think I made a Vince Young comparison. We'll see what happens........ [smilie=werd.gif]

He won't go. He's just going to hone his skills.

I knew this was happening a long time ago and so did anyone that gets Spartan mag. I wish I could post the article. What Izzo and Shannon said in the article make it much more clear what his intentions are. Shannon actually didn't want to "enter the draft," Izzo told him he should to better prepare himself for the next year.

Yeah, he probably won't go pro, but often all it takes is one scout getting in a guys head about a team with a need and a high pick having a love affair with a guy. The worst thing for State would be if Brown plays extremely well at the camp. If he improves his stock a lot, he's gone. Depending on what guys show up to play, that could realistically happen. That being said, I think he'll be back in EL.

This is a fun thread to read, especially if you are aware of each posters rooting interests.

Lots of wishful thinking here to say the least.

State fans have to hope the kid doesn't like money.

Good luck with that.

I think it's 50-50 because I think Brown will play well in the camp. One scout mentioned the fact that the guys that play well in the NBA camps are the ones that are strong and athletic. That is exactly what Brown is. He'll get in there, catch a bunch of oops and play physical defense. That will impress scouts.

The fact that he will probably play well has turned my opinion a bit. Listening to Brown though, he seems his intentions are to return. I hope he does, he takes MSU from middle of the pack in the BT at best to BT title contender.

If Brown kicks ass in Chicago I hope he does stay and gets drafted in the first round. It would certainly lower my expectations of MSU bb next year by quite a dramatic amount but hey...it could be fun to have an extreme underdog mentality for a change.

Now that the draft order is set, you're starting to see mocks pop up all over the place. I've seen Brown as high as 17 and as low as 27. In every mock I've seen, he's ahead of both Ager and Davis (in fact, I haven't seen either of them in the first round yet, after viewing about 6 mocks). I'm not sure if that's enough to get him to leave or not, just sharing what I've found.

Shannon is as good as gone.

I heard he's done very well and the pre-draft camps and he is expected to go to the L.

Some of the mocks I've seen have put him in some nice situations. Example - Phoenix Suns. It would be fun for State fans, if he did leave, to at least see Mr. 3 foot wide mouth put up 16-17 points in a high powered offense as a rookie. The other team I've seen him going to in a few is the Lakers.

I'm happy for Shannon. I hope all three Spartans get selected in the top 20.

So MSU will be forced to enter a rebuilding mode next season with so much youth and so little proven scoring. Big deal. It'll be fun...or at least interesting to watch the young guys develop. :)

Raymar and Isaiah will be relied upon HEAVILY from day one ala Anderson, Torbert and Hill their freshmen years.

It's official. Shannon has hired an agent.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

yes!!!!! lmao!!!!

Associated Press - Michigan State shooting guard Shannon Brown has announced that he will hire an agent and stay in the NBA Draft, forgoing his senior year with Tom Izzo and the Spartans.

Brown averaged 17.2 points, 4.4 rebounds and 2.7 assists last season and is projected as a late-1st round selection.

Well, we can hope for the NIT.

You were all wondering how long it would take for me to drop the "E" word this summer. Well, here it is. Spartan fans will say they get a free pass this year because there are now no expectations. Well, guess what. For elite programs there are ALWAYS expectations. So if you still want to be elite, you better hope Morgan, Dahlman and Herzog are ready. You wouldn't want Epke Udoh dunking his junk on Herzog's chin.


(yeah, that's going to come back to haunt me)

You were all wondering how long it would take for me to drop the "E" word this summer. Well, here it is. Spartan fans will say they get a free pass this year because there are now no expectations. Well, guess what. For elite programs there are ALWAYS expectations. So if you still want to be elite, you better hope Morgan, Dahlman and Herzog are ready. You wouldn't want Epke Udoh dunking his junk on Herzog's chin.


(yeah, that's going to come back to haunt me)

I still expect the Spartans to make the tourney and think Brown leaving will provide an opportunity for the entire roster to develop. I expect more from Naymick, Gray, Suton, and Ibok rather than Herzog to step right in. Dahlman and Morgan better be able to score a little by Conference season.

And just because there are always expectations for elite programs does not mean they are always met. See Duke '94-'95.

Doesnt matter. Last year was a stepping stone for UM...(same record as MSU) this year they will surpass their record and soon will be back to the team that ran this state...

(one can hope right?)

Doesnt matter. Last year was a stepping stone for UM...(same record as MSU) this year they will surpass their record and soon will be back to the team that ran this state...

(one can hope right?)


They had the same record, but didn't nearly play the competition that MSU did...


As for the future, they may finish with a better record next year, but running the state won't happen at least for another 4-5 years since the 2007 class bosts 3 top 30 gurads..

They had the same record, but didn't nearly play the competition that MSU did...




...and MSU fans say they dont talk like UM Football fans...lmao

They had the same record, but didn't nearly play the competition that MSU did...




...and MSU fans say they dont talk like UM Football fans...lmao


MSU and U of M football both play N.D. and 2 other cupcakes in the non conference, and then Big 11 play...

So in football they play the same schedule... How is that talking like UM football fans?????

because you sound like a bitch when you make excuses about the same records.

MSU and U of M football both play N.D. and 2 other cupcakes in the non conference, and then Big 11 play...


MSU's non-conference is more difficult than Michigan this year, but the Big Ten schedule is kinder to the Spartans so I guess it all evens out. I just get a sour taste in my mouth when I see Michigan hosting Ball St. in the middle of Big Ten play.

As for the Spartan basketball team..... my feelings are known, they fucked up. Telling Michigan fans that MSU made the tourney last season and they didn't gives me no comfort.

because you sound like myself when you make excuses about the same records.


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He impressed the Suns, I can imagine him running with Nash. That would be the perfect fit for him.

OK, let's all admit it. College basketball is really going to suck next year for fans in the state of Michigan. Us Wolverine fans are used to it, but welcome to our world Sparties.

because you sound like a bitch when you make excuses about the same records.

Sorry, ND = ND, Directional Michigan = directional Michigan, random other = random other(usually, sometimes this is a difference Pitt isn't Ball St. and Idaho isn't Oregon). Big Ten schedules should be about equal, maybe a difference of .5 games.

For college BBall: 10 tourney teams isn't equal to 2(random #'s, to lazy to check it out at the moment).

Also, I think that UoM will be a team that is going to just miss the bubble, and MSU will be on the bubble this year. Depth concerns the hell out of me for MSU(10 schollie players). Michigan needs someone to step up at PG, and consistent play out of Sims.

I think that Morgan and Dahlman will be an above average pair of wings in the Big Ten though, so I might be reaching. Morgan looks so good in film, though, and Dahlman is the All Time leading scorer in Minnesota, fills up the stat sheet, and won 3 state championships if I'm not mistaken.

I don't understand how you have State on the bubble and Michigan just missing out. That's exactly how it was this past year (State was more on the bubble than anyone cared to admit).
So they're in the exact same position as last year?
Even though State losses:
4 of top 5 scorers
All 4 top rebounders
2 of top 3 perimeter shooters
2 of 3 assist leaders
leaders in blocks and steals
They have 2 top 100 recruits coming in and 1 who missed the cut

Meanwhile Michigan only losses:
Top scorer, next 3 all returning
2 of top 7 rebounders, 5 returning
Their leader in assists and in steals
Otherwise their leaders are returning, AND they have a full class coming in. Only one is in the top 100, but he's rated higher than any of State's freshmen, and the rest of the class provides depth throughout a team that had success in spite of lacking depth last year.

It's hard for me to see how State doesn't lose ground to Michigan for at least one year. After that, both teams lose more key players to graduation, but State's recruiting class for 2007 is light years ahead of Michigan's (unless they somehow add Dar, Southern and Manny Harris - or Legion recommits, then while State's class would still be better, Michigan at least gets a top 10-15 class and doesn't throw it all away)

I don't understand how you have State on the bubble and Michigan just missing out. That's exactly how it was this past year (State was more on the bubble than anyone cared to admit).
So they're in the exact same position as last year?
Even though State losses:
4 of top 5 scorers
All 4 top rebounders
2 of top 3 perimeter shooters
2 of 3 assist leaders
leaders in blocks and steals
They have 2 top 100 recruits coming in and 1 who missed the cut

Meanwhile Michigan only losses:
Top scorer, next 3 all returning
2 of top 7 rebounders, 5 returning
Their leader in assists and in steals
Otherwise their leaders are returning, AND they have a full class coming in. Only one is in the top 100, but he's rated higher than any of State's freshmen, and the rest of the class provides depth throughout a team that had success in spite of lacking depth last year.

It's hard for me to see how State doesn't lose ground to Michigan for at least one year. After that, both teams lose more key players to graduation, but State's recruiting class for 2007 is light years ahead of Michigan's (unless they somehow add Dar, Southern and Manny Harris - or Legion recommits, then while State's class would still be better, Michigan at least gets a top 10-15 class and doesn't throw it all away)

MSU gains Naymick with a year to bulk up.

They gain a Marquise Gray for a full season(hopefully).

They return a Goran Suton who looked like he belonged for the last few weeks.

Michigan lost their leader, and point guard. 2 of their top 3 rebounders, and the only grit on their team.

After Taylor left, I realized just how important point guard play is in college basketball, and MSU has one that could be on one of the All Big Ten teams, and Michigan has one who might be able to make an All-NAIA team(from what I've seen).

Also, I'm more likely to take the team with the coach with a ring, over the one on the hot seat.

Also, I called for MSU to be about 1 game above UoM, is that CRAZY!?!?!