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13/04/2006
ARG - Frustrated Delfino wants to make Venezuela trip

DETROIT (FIBA World Championship) - Argentina guard Carlos Delfino is hoping he can play for his country in the South American Championships even if it means missing the NBA play-offs with the Detroit Pistons.

Argentina are due to compete in the Championships this July and the preparation schedule in the lead-up to the event would require Delfino to miss considerable time in what is expected to be a robust title-challenge from the Pistons.

The 23-year-old Delfino, who won Olympic gold with his country at the Athens Olympics, has no doubts about where he would rather be.

"I want to play for the national team," he said.

Delfino has met with Argentina coach Sergio Hernandez to discuss his schedule and the shooting guard told the Ole newspapers he had made himself available.

"He showed me the schedule of work he has planned for the team and I told him I was at his service, because I want to play," he said.

Delfino, who will have one eye on the FIBA World Championship in August, has struggled for playing time with the Pistons.

He is averaging 10.2 minutes per game, with an average of 3.2 points and 1.5 rebounds in that time.

Delfino attributes his time on the bench to Detroit coach Flip Saunders' tactics.

"He is so offensive that we forget defence a bit. Saunders is focused very much on attacking, on points," he said.

"I need to come in and shoot more, but I'm finding it very difficult to get used to the selfish mentality here.

"I prefer to pass the ball and here, if you enter for four or five minutes and don't score, you're out of the game."

Delfino admitted that it was frustrating to have to spend so much time on the bench.

"I have a very good performance in one game and then I'm on the bench for the next three. He (Saunders) tells me 'Be prepared, you play today' and nothing else. I know I must be always ready, but it's difficult."

It is partly because of his frustrations in the Motor City that Delfino is so keen to travel with Argentina to Venezuele for the South American Championships.

"I'm young and can find my rhythm quickly," he said when asked if he would be ready to play. "I'm training a lot here.

"However, I don't know if I'll be available to play the South American Championships because it would be complicated if Detroit get to the NBA Finals."

PA Sport

Well the article seems to have parts that could be taken out of context. His actual quotes don't seem to point to anything incriminating.

Hope a local reporter puts him on the spot about it.

I just vant to play.

I'm predicting 18 pages for this thread. GO!

I dont see why. we already went through this. Delfino just said what we already know. Flip punishes defenders. No need to rehash it. I know Ojay posted it to start up some Delfino shit for negative purposes in hopes of comparing him to darkhead.

Only i'll say is, if we lose delfino i'll live with that. Unlike arroyo he can fit here. In fact he has IMO. But its based on how you look at it. If you drink jumpshot kool aid, then no you wouldnt be satisfied. But overall he's been solid as an overall player.

With that said, if we keep that shithead Evans. I'll be looking to blow up his crib. [smilie=angryfire.g:

I'm predicting 18 pages for this thread. GO!True story. I feel like it should be swatted just based on that shit.


That said, maybe we should have gotten Ariza for him in the Darroyo trade.


Continue...LMFAO.

Delfino is garbage. Who talks about other teams in a quest for a championship. Joe just whiffed like no other on the 2003 draft...nothing more to say.

poor delfino, seriously. i know we all want him to get his burn but to hear him say that stuff makes me sad. both for him and for his validating what weve said about flip all year. all del does is come in and do better than mo but 'if you enter for four of five minutes and dont score, youre out of the game' completely shatters flips mentality. basically im hearing that if del doesnt score but gets three defensive stops, thats not as good as mo getting a wide open dunk and letting three guys (or same guy three times) blow by him for a layup. sooo.... 0 points for us and 0 points for them is not as good as 2 points for us and 6 points for them? not mo hatin here because i do like him too but, well... you know.

ive always said that if nothing else, del helped beat us in the olympics and he wasnt just gettin splinters on the bench so that should speak loudly on his behalf, but i guess im totally wrong. this bench treatment has turned me into a bigger del fan than i ever thought id be. i hope this doesnt lead to his leaving the team like some other benchwarmers who have talent.

I know Ojay posted it to start up some Delfino shit for negative purposes in hopes of comparing him to darkhead.

I only posted it cause I'm sweet. [smilie=army.gif]

I know Ojay posted it to start up some Delfino shit for negative purposes in hopes of comparing him to darkhead.

I only posted it cause I'm sweet. [smilie=army.gif]
sweet as a fruitcake. [smilie=antlers.gif] [smilie=angel.gif]

"He is so offensive that we forget defence a bit. Saunders is focused very much on attacking, on points," he said.

"I need to come in and shoot more, but I'm finding it very difficult to get used to the selfish mentality here.

"I prefer to pass the ball and here, if you enter for four or five minutes and don't score, you're out of the game."

Delfino's the smartest damn guy on this team. He calls it like he sees it. These 3 quotes prove exactly what we've all been thinking. Flip doesn't give a damn about defense, and if you're a bench player you better come in and chuck up a bunch of shots or you aren't going to get minutes. That is exactly the problem. Players shouldn't feel pressured to go out of the flow of the game to put up points. That just turns players selfish. That's the last thing we need. We don't need players having to launch up bad shots just to get minutes in the next game.

FP22 lets let it go though. i refuse to see delfino get belittled by a darko type thread started by ojay. [smilie=angryfire.g:


seriously though, this isnt new news. just have respectfully disagree with anyone swearing that delfino sucks. been over this too many times to over rehash it. beware of ojays true plan.
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DETROIT (FIBA World Championship) - Argentina guard Carlos Delfino is hoping he can play for his country in the South American Championships even if it means missing the NBA play-offs with the Detroit Pistons.

Argentina are due to compete in the Championships this July and the preparation schedule in the lead-up to the event would require Delfino to miss considerable time in what is expected to be a robust title-challenge from the Pistons.

The 23-year-old Delfino, who won Olympic gold with his country at the Athens Olympics, has no doubts about where he would rather be.

"I want to play for the national team," he said.

Delfino has met with Argentina coach Sergio Hernandez to discuss his schedule and the shooting guard told the Ole newspapers he had made himself available.

"He showed me the schedule of work he has planned for the team and I told him I was at his service, because I want to play," he said.
What are the odds of him being left off the playoff roster?

I'm a Delfino supporter, but I gotta leave him on his own on this one.

The way I see it, there's three guys who have had the chance to take the backup 2 spot and run with it - Delfino, Evans, and Delk.

Evans and Delfino have had all season to show that they can be consistent in coming off the bench and finding a chemistry with the rest of the unit on the floor at the time. Both have failed.

Delk comes here and in his very first game in a Pistons uni fits in better than either of them.

I'm not worried about who's fault it is.

The bottom line is Delk earned the minutes and Delfino and Evans didn't. They just didn't "click" out there with the other four guys on the floor on a consistent basis.

You put Delk on the floor with anyone on the roster, and it looks like he was made to be playing with them.

Goodbye Carlos. Good luck elsewhere next season.

Delfnio lost me when he had the opportunity to start and totally blew it.

Good luck with another team, Carlos. If you think the Pistons are "selfish," have fun with another team..

We're the best team in the league.

At wasting talent.

Even in the future there's no room for Delfino, that's sad and dissapointing, we will see him average 16 5 & 7 in Orlando or somewhere.

Delfino played consistently well during that mid-season stretch where we all got impressed with him. Then he got a bunch of DNPs and since then has never been the same even when getting minutes.

Of coures his main contribution was great man to man defense. Which basically means from FLip's POV he did nothing. It's frustrating but there it is.

I just hope that when he's moved to a crappy team, its not ORLANDO. Last thing we need is to give them more talent. (talent used loosely in terms of Arroyo).

Maybe if we could ship him to some bottom feeder West team. He'll get 20+ minutes and be able to develop.

Meanwhile we'll have absolutely NO TALENTED YOUNG PLAYERS left. Delk, Hunter, and Dice are our main bench talents and they're all veterans.

Amir and Acker I guess are raw enough that they can sit tight for another season or two, but Delfino isn't at that point. I'll guarantee there's a quiet trade request next season from his agent, not out of ill will but because they get the simple concept that talented young players can't develop until they play.

If we use the "5 minute per every other game" developing rule with future rookies, NONE OF THEM WILL DEVELOP UNTIL THEY GO TO OTHER TEAMS! The only guy this strategy played dividends with was Delk, who is a veteran and already developed.

Keep in mind that once we clinch home court that we will be seeing more Delfino at least for a few games. I really hope that he plays well but he looks really hesitant offensively. He will have a wide open shot and has to think about shooting it for a second. He didn't impress in his only start but will be given a few more chances to prove himself before the playoffs. I could possibly see Joe D moving him for a 1st in the off-season if there is a player that he really like in the draft.

Delfnio lost me when he had the opportunity to start and totally blew it..
This is hilarious when you were against him from the jump. Yet now he's lost you?. Kstat stop being full of shit here man. I mean i expected you to. But surprise me one day. [smilie=artist.gif]

Looks like the athor was taking liberties with the translation....

A Spurs fan's take:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38418


This seems to be taken from a Delfino interview in Olé a few days ago, and twisted to make news. Basically the lines are all the same, but for the spin given by title, which does not correspond to his sayings. Check the lines referring the issue in that article:

- Would you mind going to the South American Tournament?

I'm not worried because I'm young and I get into rythm quickly. Besides, I train a lot here.

- How do you assess the meeting with the coach?

It was a brief meeting with Hernández (Argentine coach). He introduced me to his work plan. I placed myself at his disposal. I want to play.

- Are you worried about playing very little?

I don't know which group will I be part of, but the schedule of the South American Tournament makes it difficult for me, if Detroit goes to the NBA finals.


Also, check these other quotes:

"(Overall things are) positive. I haven't felt this good physically. There are no traces (of the injury), and I'm at ease. And, thought not much, I did play."

"I know I'm young, and I'm fulfilling a dream. I'm in the place everybody wants to be in, and I keep on learning"

"I'm betting on (the chance of playing presenting itself with the Pistons), I hope so... I do not feel unappreciated or just a filler, I see they trust me, but I also want to play"


He says he wants to play for the NT, but never that he'd give up the playoffs to do so. That is a quote taken out of context, and selectively surrounded to make it something it's not. Gross manipulation on the part of whoever put the article together.

This is under no circumstance a disrespectul piece. It is an honest interview from a guy who wants to play, twisted by a bad translation and the need to make news out of anything.

I wish all of you could read Spanish, so as to check it by yourselves.

wow, that's a HUGE difference in interpretation. i think i give Delfino the benefit of the doubt. he hasn't been sulking or talking to the american media about being pissed about his lack of PT. he seems to have a good attitude, imo.

while delfino's attitude is ok, he's been a bitch in the past. we'll see who the real delfino is eventually.

as far as people blaming flip... joe is very hands on with this team. he is in the lockerroom at every have time talking to flip about adjustments and such. perhaps delfino just needs to 'earn' those minutes...

while delfino's attitude is ok, he's been a bitch in the past. we'll see who the real delfino is eventually.

as far as people blaming flip... joe is very hands on with this team. he is in the lockerroom at every have time talking to flip about adjustments and such. perhaps delfino just needs to 'earn' those minutes...
actually its been rumored that Joe and the pistons office want delfino on the court. But telling Flip who to put in is not good etiquette. Not even Mchale could make Flip play who he wanted.

Also ban Ojay. [smilie=angel.gif]

i kid i kid

Fuck that fucking fucker. Send his bitch ass back to Argentina. His attitude is okay? Three straigh years that fucking bitch has whined about his PT in Detroit and he's only been on the roster 2 years! Get him the fuck outta here. THis is the second year in a row that cock sucker has cried about going how just before the playoffs. Fuck him.

[smilie=annoyed.gif] diddy missed the proper translation. Oddly enough this happened last year twice. Joe D had to double check with him just to be sure.

Once rent-a-Delk is gone, Delfino will be very valuable. I think next year could be his breakout year. All we need is an Evans trade.

What makes you so sure we wont keep delk next year?

I can see us cutting Mo loose, but Delk? Why?

Once rent-a-Delk is gone, Delfino will be very valuable. I think next year could be his breakout year. All we need is an Evans trade.

I think Delk will be re-signed next year, especially if Hunter retires.

What makes you so sure we wont keep delk next year?

I can see us cutting Mo loose, but Delk? Why?
Delk will stay as long as he isnt expecting a big payoff. of course like what happened when signed sheed. someone could snatch delk up while we are talking to Ben wallace.

Fuck that fucking fucker. Send his bitch ass back to Argentina. His attitude is okay? Three straigh years that fucking bitch has whined about his PT in Detroit and he's only been on the roster 2 years! Get him the fuck outta here. THis is the second year in a row that cock sucker has cried about going how just before the playoffs. Fuck him.

Damn. He's still a Piston. Unless you get to him first [smilie=angel.gif]

Fuck that fucking fucker. Send his bitch ass back to Argentina. His attitude is okay? Three straigh years that fucking bitch has whined about his PT in Detroit and he's only been on the roster 2 years! Get him the fuck outta here. THis is the second year in a row that cock sucker has cried about going how just before the playoffs. Fuck him.

Damn. He's still a Piston. Unless you get to him first [smilie=angel.gif]
delfino would whoop Diddy's ass. [smilie=angel.gif] Stab him to death with his thumbs [smilie=anxious.gif]

What makes you so sure we wont keep delk next year?

I can see us cutting Mo loose, but Delk? Why?
Delk will stay as long as he isnt expecting a big payoff. of course like what happened when signed sheed. someone could snatch delk up while we are talking to Ben wallace.

There is no team in the league that fits Tony Delk as well as the Pistons. He has no reason to look elsewhere.

Maybe Phoenix, but he wouldnt play or win as much.

And I dont care how well he does, NOBODY is going to offer a 33-year old Delk big money.

I guess I'm just concerned someone might offer him more than we're willing to pay. We have to resign Ben, and if Chauncey opts out, that's more money (I'm not sure what's going on with Chauncey, so don't freak if I'm misunderstanding the situation).

You're probably right that Delk will stay here based on his age. I certainly hope so anyway. But with Lindsey gone most likely, that would leave the 2-3 backup spot for Delfino, assuming we do the right thing and get rid of Mo.

LOL rest assured there will be no bidding war over Tony Delk. I dont care how much he scores.

Delfino is perfectly capable of playing backup SF, but he has to get his head out of his ass and start playing better first.

I dont give a shit if he cant shoot, fine. But get hustle boards, initiate the offens,e create for others, do SOMETHING. He cant be bringing NOTHING on offense since he's playing alongside Hunter so often.

He cant be the argentine Michael Curry and play. Im sorry but he needs to supply something on offense besides turning it over and getting rejected at the rim.

We already have two offensive voids in our top 8 that couldnt hit water if they fell out of a boat. No room for three.

I'll say this: if Hunter retires, then Delfino could easily take his job of one the ball pressure.

What makes you so sure we wont keep delk next year?

I can see us cutting Mo loose, but Delk? Why?
Delk will stay as long as he isnt expecting a big payoff. of course like what happened when signed sheed. someone could snatch delk up while we are talking to Ben wallace.

There is no team in the league that fits Tony Delk as well as the Pistons. He has no reason to look elsewhere.

Maybe Phoenix, but he wouldnt play or win as much.

And I dont care how well he does, NOBODY is going to offer a 33-year old Delk big money.

one thing i've noticed, is that people here misjudge the stupidity of this market something fierce. If we win the title. dont assume anything. I'm not saying he'll be gone. but you cant say he wont. All i know signing him is secondary to signing ben wallace(the guy you forever hate on[smilie=angel.gif]). Depending on how long it takes to sign Ben. anything could happen and some team may become interested. Miami for one. They are dumb enough to trade for walker and williams. Getting delk for another championship run at us is possible.

LOL rest assured there will be no bidding war over Tony Delk. I dont care how much he scores.

Delfino is perfectly capable of playing backup SF, but he has tog et his head out of hsi ass and start playing better first.
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Why exactly would Delk leave here to play 5 minutes for Miami?

Why exactly would Delk leave here to play 5 minutes for Miami?
why would he play 5 minutes? he could start in miami. Payton is almost dead and williams is very up and down. not to mention he may get an better offer of money. Once a player wins a title. he values the paycheck a lil more sometimes. you never know. but as i say this im guessing we sign him. i'm just saying.

Why exactly would Delk leave here to play 5 minutes for Miami?
why would he play 5 minutes? he could start in miami. Payton is almost dead and williams is very up and down.

Thats completely unrealistic.

JWill would start, bar none, and they sure as hell wouldnt demote GP to 3rdstring. Theyd have a mutiny on their hands.

Why exactly would Delk leave here to play 5 minutes for Miami?
why would he play 5 minutes? he could start in miami. Payton is almost dead and williams is very up and down.

Thats completely unrealistic.

JWill would start, bar none, and they sure as hell wouldnt demote GP to 3rdstring. Theyd have a mutiny on their hands.
you seem a lil' too sure that payton comes back.

Bottom line is Delk is too smart to leave a veteran team like this that he has proven to have a niche in.

And unless Miami wants to throw half the MLE at him (and they wont), they arent going to be bale to offer much.

Delfino is perfectly capable of playing backup SF, but he has to get his ass off the bench and start playing first.


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Give him 15-20 minutes (preferably not in a scrub lineup) in the next 4 games and see what happens. That is the only way to judge him. Not in his normal routine of...

- DNP
- 5 minutes
- DNP
- DNP
- 8 minutes (garbage time)
- 5 minutes
- 3 minutes (garbage time)
- DNP
- 14 minutes

No one is going to look good in that situation. Put a guy like Tayshaun in that situation and he looks like a fringe roster player.

How did he look when we started him?

He'll probably get another chance the next four games, but I'm getting tired of people making excuses for him. Step the fuck up and earn your playing time. The "He deserves to get handed 15-20 minutes because he's Carlos Delfino!" bit is getting old.

How did he look when we started him?
The guy hasn't played in real minutes in weeks, what do you expect? Before that game he had played 6 minutes total in the previous 7 days. Of course he's gonna look bad.

And he played 13 minutes, it's not like he got a huge chance to redeem himself.

How did he look when we started him?

He'll probably get another chance the next four games, but I'm getting tired of people making excuses for him. Step the fuck up and earn your playing time. The "He deserves to get handed 15-20 minutes because he's Carlos Delfino!" bit is getting old.

He looked pretty rough. Granted, he only played 6 minutes(and 13 for the whole game) but he certainly didn't show anything special. I definitely feel he can play, I just wish he'd show it.

Delfino WAS playing well consistently during that mid-season stretch. We were all raving about his play and defense. Remember the game against Boston? the way he played Wade till he came out and wade scored 17 straight? he even matched up well with Lebron during that new years loss. It didn't matter, he got a bunch of DNPs and a few 4 minute esque. His quality of play THEN didn't matter to Flip, and now all of a sudden it does?

I dont recall exactly but I think it was when he missed a game or two because of the flu, came back when all of a sudden he started riding the bench.

History has already shown that it doesn't matter whether Delfino plays consistently well (as he did earlier) or lackluster (and his spot minutes more recently indicate), the result is the same: a bunch of DNPs.

The only question is which crap team he is going to help out playing 20+ mintues for.

he even matched up well with Lebron during that new years loss.

To be fair, Delfino got killed by Lebron on new year's eve. The rest was accurate, but not that part. Lebron tossed him aside 2 or 3 times in a row for layups. Not Delfino's fault, LeBron killed everyone that night. But Delfino didnt fare any better.

And Delfino has never gone from a good performance to a DNP-CD. That simply isn't true. Every time he's gotten DNP'd, it's been off of a shitty performance.

And the quality of play THEN mattered to Flip. He was playing WELL back then. Then he stopped playing well and he's where he is now.

What's so hard to understand? There are very few minutes available at that spot as it is, and Delfino bought himself a stint in the doghouse with his lackluster start in Orlando.

Notice Flip didnt start his boy Mo Evans, He gave Delfino the golden opportunity Delfino repaid him by sleepwalking all over the floor on both ends.

What's so hard to understand? There are very few minutes available at that spot as it is, and Delfino bought himself a stint in the doghouse with his lackluster start in Orlando.

Notice Flip didnt start his boy Mo Evans, He gave Delfino the golden opportunity Delfino repaid him by sleepwalking all over the floor on both ends.

Sleepwalking? No, he was just trying too hard to impress Flip because he knew his season depended on it, and the only thing Flip wanted to see is Carlos put points on the board. He ended up pushing the issue too strong and looking like crap (not to mention the starters weren't helping him much by tanking themselves).

Flip and Carlos need to have an understanding. Carlos isn't going to impact the game with hot shooting on a nightly basis. He's going to do it by doing the little things like defending, rebounding, making the right passes, and bringing energy. If he wants every bench player on the team to come in and look for their own shot, then Flip knows less than I thought. There needs to players out there doing the little things. Let Delk and Dice do the scoring, and let Lindsey/Delfino score in the flow of the game. It's not that difficult a concept.

Sleepwalking? No, he was just trying too hard to impress Flip because he knew his season depended on it, and the only thing Flip wanted to see is Carlos put points on the board.

LOL.

If you thought Delfino was sucking vs Orlando because he was "trying too hard," you have really drunk the kool-aid. The dude couldn't have looked any lazier if his eyes were closed.

Delfino didnt even say that. It was exposed as a mis-quote.

Dear god flip has his faults, but if you can blame him for THAT, you may as well blame him for the war in Iraq.

It's flip's fault that delfino. He needs minutes to play well. Boo. Hoo.

Now Flip STARTS Delfino, and we have to find a reaosn why Flip was at fault for him sucking in THAT game too? Wow.


He's going to do it by doing the little things like defending, rebounding, making the right passes, and bringing energy.

None of which I've seen from Delfino in months.

I've already said If Delfino did ANYTHING positive offensively I'd be all for him getting more minutes. But he's been the same useless slug on offense that Mo has been on Defense.

The tiebreaker is that Mo, retarded as he is, will bring %100 energy in his limited time. Delfino hasn't shown the same hustle he showed to start the year.

Kstat, Carlos sums it up perfectly...


I give a 100 %, but it is difficult without continuity. I have a good game and then I go three games without playing. He tells me “be ready, today you’ll play,” and nothing. I know that I have to be ready but it’s not so easy to deliver when he expects it.

BTW everyone, I'm sorry for starting this thread.

Delfino rocks and that translator fucking sucks balls.

Death to the media.

Delfino rocks and that translator fucking sucks balls.



Real translation from "Scolas" on another board:
http://www.pistonsforum.com/detroit-pistons-general-discussion/2232-frustrated-delfino-article-6.html?posted=1#post25339

Here's my rendering of the interview into English:

“To play I’d have to be more selfish”

Delfino believes that to get more minutes, he should shoot and score more. At the same time, he suffers a contradiction: “I’m privileged, though I need to play. I’m okay, but I don’t want another year like this.”

Julian Mozo jmozo@ole.com.ar

Both feelings live within him. After a weak rookie campaign, with an injury that required two operations and a conflict with head coach Larry Brown, Carlos Delfino needed to feel healthy and valued. And he achieved that this season in Detroit. His level of play when he got into games has even been enough to generate debate among fans and journalists about why the forward doesn’t play more. On that side of things, the kid feels content. He knows he is privileged, that he is in the NBA and, no less, on last year’s second place team and the favorite for this year’s title. But, at the same time, he’s 23 years old, plays only a little (10 minutes) and hasn’t succeeded in winning the confidence of Flip Saunders because he is only sometimes part of the rotation (he’s the 10th man). And the contradiction appears in every response he gives to Olé and if it is true that he doesn’t want to sound bitter or polemical, his sincerity reveals the truth.

---What’s the bottom line?

---It’s positive. It’s been a long time since I’ve felt so good physically. I’ve no more soreness and I’m calm. And even if I haven’t played much, I have played.

---But…

---And… I’m not desperate, but I’m not having fun. I play for that, and for now I can’t. But even so, I’m okay.

---There are people and journalists that want you to play more. Why isn’t it happening?

---this head coach is very offensive minded. So much so that we forget a little bit about defense… Saunders pays a lot of attention to the attack, to points. I’d have to come in and shoot more, but it’s hard for me to get into that selfish mindset that is so common here. I prefer to pass the ball and it should be the opposite. Here, if you come in for 4 or 5 minutes, and you don’t make any baskets, you come out…

---I’ve read that Saunders has more confidence in Maurice Evans, whom he asked for.

---No. Until Tony Delk arrived, we both played. But Delk was added and they put him as a shooting guard. And there are fewer minutes left.

---Saunders asked you to shoot more. Didn’t that turn out? Is that why Delk arrived?

---No. Delk arrived as a reserve guard, as part of the trade for Arroyo. They weren’t looking for a shooter. But it is true that I’m not comfortable as a shooter, being on the wing waiting for the last three seconds of the possession. I’m not a shooter, I don’t feel it. I don’t play comfortably, they know that my thing is the ball, penetrating, and dishing. But I make an effort and I adapt, I always help in whatever way I can. And I’m trying not to mess up the rhythm

---It’s an apprenticeship as a professional, no?

---One always learns something. These things make you tougher and a better professional. One knows how to handle oneself.

--What’s do you need to do for Saunders to play you more?

--Nothing. I give a 100 %, but it is difficult without continuity. I have a good game and then I go three games without playing. He tells me “be ready, today you’ll play,” and nothing. I know that I have to be ready but it’s not so easy to deliver when he expects it.

---How would you analyze your performance in 2005-06?

---It was good. Though I didn’t have a lot of minutes, every time I got in, I tried hard to deliver.

--In what ways?

---On defense. Larry Brown stuck me with the “no defense” label, and I think I shed that. On the team, when they are looking for a perimeter defender, there’s Prince, Hamilton, and me. I’ve defended well against guys like Prince and Wade. And they have recognized that change.

---I read that the front office wanted to see you play more. Did Dumars tell you that?

---There’s a lot of talk about the subject, as about every thing that occurs on the team. Here they are looking for perfection and nothing is acceptable short of being champions. Dumars always says that wants me here. In fact, there were two teams interested in a trade and he turned them down. He asked me and I told him that I wanted to finish the season here and then see during the off season. I’m looking for a chance, to be a champion here. That for sure, another year like this: I don’t want….

---For now, you are tolerating it.

---For now, yes. I know that I’m young and I’m living a dream. I’m in a position that everyone wants and I’m still learning. That keeps me going, waiting for my chance because I think I still haven’t gotten it.

----Do you think the chance will come with the Pistons?

---I’d bet yes, let’s hope…. Here I don’t feel devalued (disrespected) or as extra, I see that they have confidence in me, but I also say that I want to play.

---You don’t see yourself sa the new Milicic?

---I don’t think so. Darko was never in the rotation. Still, I still believe in what they tell me here, I’m optimistic. I hope to be a starter on Detroit, the future will decide.

It's kinda rough for dude lately. Last year he was bitchy and soft, and didn't play defense. This year he turns on the defense, stays civil and its totally ignored.

I'd be kinda ass backwards too. I think Joe wants him to play, but like everyone else is saying doesn't want to force flip's hand as head coach.

On the Flipside Delfino had a chance to start and didn't bring it energy he should have. He only played 13 minutes, but when he got the ball he was hesitant and indecisive (probably due to not wanting to make mistakes).

He's gotta grasp opportunities like that. Get selfish, go to the hole and draw the contact. I can understand him not wanting to play "selfish" ball, but his playing time is an individual situation, and he needs to be "selfish" in getting his recognition from the head coach in order to play more.

Half way there.

Half way there.

http://www.bobgruen.com/files/asst/R.183%20%20JON%20BON%20JOVI-MOSCOW%2089.jpg

Gross Glenn, just gross.

McCosky

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060414/SPORTS0102/604140351/1004/SPORTS


Delfino stirs things up

Some comments made by reserve Carlos Delfino to an Argentine news outlet were apparently misconstrued and blown out of proportion.

In the report, which was circulated on the foreign news outlet, Noticias.info, through FIBA, the Federation of International Basketball Association, Delfino said he would rather play for Argentina in the South American Championships than be with the Pistons through the playoffs.

The South American Championships, a prelude to the FIBA World Championships in August, will be played in July, but the team will begin practicing in late May and June.

Delfino might not be pleased with his reduced role on the Pistons, but he is not likely to forgo the remainder of his $969,600 salary, his playoff shares, his chance to win an NBA title or risk the $1,037,280 he has coming next season.

"It's a non-story," Pistons vice president of basketball John Hammond said. "Every international player who plays in the NBA, his first responsibility is to his NBA contract, and his second is to his national team. Every national team is aware of this. A player has never left his NBA team in season to join his national team. It's never happened, and it never will. It would be a breach of contract."

Delfino said recently he plans to join the national team after the Pistons' season is done.

There were other disputed quotes in the FIBA report, as well.

Delfino was quoted as saying about Saunders, "He is so offensive that we forget defense a bit. Saunders is focused very much on attacking, on points. I need to come in and shoot more, but I'm finding it very difficult to get used to the selfish mentality here."

The Pistons are hardly known for their selfish play, and with the third-stingiest defense in the league, it's hard to believe Delfino could find much fault.

Hammond said Delfino was misquoted.

"I don't know how things get lost in translation," Hammond said. "But I know they do."

Delfino was in Toronto with the team and could not be reached for comment.

Some comments made by reserve Carlos Delfino to an Argentine news outlet were apparently misconstrued and blown out of proportion.
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according to the team that doesn't want any disruptions right now you puppet asshole.

This is all part of the LB conspiracy against ferners. This is the 3rd straight year the liberal freedom hating press has twisted Delfino's words.

from that latest translation:



---There’s a lot of talk about the subject, as about every thing that occurs on the team. Here they are looking for perfection and nothing is acceptable short of being champions. Dumars always says that wants me here. In fact, there were two teams interested in a trade and he turned them down. He asked me and I told him that I wanted to finish the season here and then see during the off season. I’m looking for a chance, to be a champion here. That for sure, another year like this: I don’t want….


Huh. I wonder who it was and what got offered.

also i'm amused at the detnews article. It stops the quote right at the selfish remark, then wonders what he meant by that since the team plays unselfishly, when the very next line in the quote its explained what he meant.

I didn't know people felt so passionate about a second class bench player.

McCosky reporting on WDFN that Delfino says pretty much every word of the article was skewed negatively. He's going to stay on the playoff roster and hasn't given any thought whatsoever of joining argentina during the playoffs, and is not unhappy like he was last year. He is very excited about playing for argentina in the world championships, but that's 4 months from now. The part about the south american championships next month was never even a subject, nor was the "complaint" about Flip's coaching.

This is de javu all over again.

Is it merely a coincidence that Darko and Delfino both start with a D?

Call me when this thread his 27 pages.

So one translation makes it seem Delfino was crying to the press and we're off and running?

WTF?

There are now numerous translations in this thread that show what Delfino said and people still wanna discuss this like it matters?

The only fucking thing that matters in all this is Joe's opinion of Delfino.

He turned down 2 trade offers. He wants Delfino to play more.

So how does Joe get Delfino playing time?

If Evans isn't traded this off-season I'll be surprised.

The only fucking thing that matters in all this is Joe's opinion of Delfino.

He turned down 2 trade offers. He wants Delfino to play more.

So how does Joe get Delfino playing time?

If Evans isn't traded this off-season I'll be surprised.

Yep, I agree. If Mo Evans isn't traded in the offseason, it had better be because we acquired a back-up swingman that blows Mo and Carlos out of the water. This dual backup scenario doesn't work. You need 1 backup who plays all of the minutes as long as he's available, and another guy that waits in the wings for an injury or whatever. None of this "depending on matchups" BS. Give one guy 20+ minutes, and let the other guy know his job is to sit and watch.

I like Delfino, but am already prepared for him to leave.

There's no room for him on this team in the next 3 years or so unless he wants to be a backup who rarely plays, and he doesn't.

As long as we win at least one more championship before the starting five is broken up, I guess I dont' care if we keep losing promising young talent and end up like the Pistons of the 1990's in a few years.

Tay:

Why isn't there room for Delfino in the next 3 years?

If Evans is moved for nothing (future pick, scrubs) then Delfino becomes the ONLY back-up swingman.

Unless Amir Johnson is gonna play next season. The way Flip carries on I doubt Amir is gonna get much time at all.

So Delfino gets that job for at least 1 season. Enough time for us to see what he can and can't do with zero excuses.

I mentioned this a while ago but:

Utah has 3 second round picks in this Draft. Sending them Evans for 2 of those picks allows us to create playing time for Delfino and potentially allows us to acquire decent young players.

I'm pretty sure Utah go for that trade, unless they have a hard on for a guy late in the Draft.

Fuck trading Evans for cap space. If Delfino wants and deserves more PT then he should try PLAYING BETTER THAN MO. I love how none of the ferners Joe has drafted have ever been expected to actually EARN PT. They should just have it handed to them. And if the coach turns out to be a xenophobe and plays some American player instead ship that American player away for nothing. Fuck Delfino and fuck you bitches for wanting to give players away instead of having that bum earn his PT.

Ummmm, 2 second round picks could actually come in handy.

With the NBDL expanding again and the cap rules about re-signing second round picks it's not a bad idea.

Cap space? Like I give a fuck about taking $1.5 mil off the team salary - it doesn't make a lick of difference Diddy.

And giving a player away? 2 mid-second rounders isn't a bad deal when we're dealing Evans.

Delfino does need to step up his play, and so does the rest of the fucking team.

But the bottom line is that Delfino is a better ball player than Evans and it's not even fucking close.

Evans might play his clearly defined role better than Delfino plays his poorly defined role, but that doesn't mean shit.

Delfino is the better ball player and we'd be well served to develop the kid and dump the Coach's pet this off-season.

If Delfino is a better player then he should prove. Don't hand that loser PT because of some fluff piece Chad Fraud wrote about him 3-4 years ago.

Diddy: Do you honestly believe Evans is a better baller than Delfino?

Fuck Ford. Fuck Ronzone. IMO Delfino has proven to be as good/bad as Evans.

Since Delfino has the higher ceiling you develop the kid. You don't say "well, he's not clearly better than Evans right now so we should keep them both"

You say "Delfino isn't far away from what Mo is giving us now, and has the potential to actually be much better down the road. Let's develop the kid"

It's fucking obvious.

Fuck Darko has a higher ceiling than Dice. Maybe we should've traded Dice for cap space instead of Darko then. Fuck Delfino and you nut hugging apologists. Every God damn piece of foriegn trash Joe drafts has to have PT handed to him. I'm fucking sick of this shit. Mo's a mediocre player and Delfino is a bitch for not proving he's better. Ship Delfino the fuck outta here. I'm sick and tired of all the whining and excuses from him and his fanclub.

Darko does have a higher ceiling than Dice but the difference in their current performance is huge.

The difference between Delfino and Mo is minimal, which is why you didn't answer my question.

We lose nothing by dumping Evans this off-season.

Nothing!

And you know it Diddy.

And trading away Evans is not handing Delfino playing time. He's played well enough and shown enough this season to deserve more minutes.

In order to play him more minutes Mo has to go.

Is ANYONE willing to post that Mo Evans is clearly better than Delfino?

"Clearly" being the most important word in that sentence.

Mo has consistenly played better than Delfino. Crylos may have more upside but he doesn't do a single thing with any consistency. Mo is more consistent. That's a fact. Delfino has not earned more minutes with his play. Everytime Flip gives that whiny bitch a chance he goes out of his way to show exactly why he doesn't play. Ship el Fino's ass outta here and sign a real back-up SG/SF with the MLE.

Fuck trading Evans for cap space. If Delfino wants and deserves more PT then he should try PLAYING BETTER THAN MO. I love how none of the ferners Joe has drafted have ever been expected to actually EARN PT. They should just have it handed to them. And if the coach turns out to be a xenophobe and plays some American player instead ship that American player away for nothing. Fuck Delfino and fuck you bitches for wanting to give players away instead of having that bum earn his PT.

Delfino earned PT a few months ago when Flip had his head up his and and continued to go to Mo. Now he's playing like shit because he doesn't know what the fuck to do to please Flip's punk ass (and defense/hustle apparantely don't do it based on his relationship with Ben as well). Now we end up watching everyone Mo tries to guard morph immediately into the fucking second coming of Jordan. The only thing Mo is consistant at is his horrid defense, and invisibility when we actually need him (you know, against good teams, and not in blowouts where he conveniently does all of his damage).

Was trading Michael Curry away a bad idea as well? I mean come on Tay, EARN THOSE MINUTES!

And Delfino shows up against good teams? LOL He barely shows up against bad teams. At least Maurice Evans shows up sometimes, regardless who we're playing. I know Mo Evans will go out there and give me 100% and not act all prima donna like Delfino. Delfino has sucked this year. Period.

I was a Delfino supporter awhile back but not any longer. Delfino played 2-3 good games early this year and people want to proclaim that he's some great bench player. His defense is still inconsistant and sucks at everything else. He's a fucking guard and can't shoot free throws. Playing 2-3 good games does not earn you playing time. He has not earned anything in this league except a seat on the bench.

And then morons are on here blaming Flip on everything instead of the players. That's fucking weak, using the coach as a crutch for your argument. Flip doesn't like defense and hustle, yet Lindsey is the 7th man off the bench. Flip doesn't like defense and hustle, yet Dale Davis and McDyess get major burn. Flip doesn't like defense and hustle, yet he started Trenton Hassel and Ervin Johnson when Minnesota went to the WCF two years ago, not to mention they were the 2nd best defensive team in the West that year. Yeah, Flip hates defense and hustle. Stop using the coach excuse, so shut the fuck up.

I've seen Evans hustle a lot fucking more than Delfino. I've never Delfino hustle for shit. If he's so concerned about impressing Flip then his ass belongs on the bench. Just play your game and be good at it and you'll get playing time. But since Delfino can't do that, oh well.

People will keep making excuses for Delfino, no matter how hard he tries to suck his way off the team.

And when that happens, management will get blamed, not the player who can't play well without being coddled.

Delfino could start the next 20 games, suck, and people would argue that Delfino is the kind of player that needs 21 starts to get into a groove, because his special "gifts" make him above having to play hard and hustle like the lowly Mo Evans...

Mo Evans is average at best, but at least he plays like a guy excited to be out there.

And why the fuck are people debating between Mo Evans and Delfino? Like either player will make and break our chances. You fools obviously have nothing better to do than get heated about two second class bench players.

I wonder during their mini-dynasty if Laker fans were getting heated about Rick Fox and Devean George.

And why the fuck are people debating between Mo Evans and Delfino? Like either player will make and break our chances. You fools obviously have nothing better to do than get heated about two second class bench players.

I wonder during their mini-dynasty if Laker fans were getting heated about Rick Fox and Devean George.

You are the one arguing about people arguing about 2 second class bench players, so I wouldn't talk.

And yes, these discussions go on everywhere with every team, trust me. I bet there was 100 Rick Fox vs. Devean George threads over at WTFLosAngeles.

If this team makes it to the finals, one of those 2 is going to be on the floor for ~5 minutes a game (or is Tay and/or Rip gonna play 48?). Your team can live or die by 1 shot (horry). You can beat your ass that 5 minutes can change everything.

Besides, it's the only thing to talk about when your starting 5 has been around as long as this one has. This place would be a ghost town if it weren't for these little debates about rather insignificant players. You can only say "Wow, Chauncey's good" or "Did you see that block?" so many times.

Mo Evans is average at best, but at least he plays like a guy excited to be out there.

How often does Tayshaun look "excited"? Exactly. How about Tim Duncan? You can't judge what a person is thinking soley on their body language.

Mo Evans is average at best, but at least he plays like a guy excited to be out there.

How often does Tayshaun look "excited"? Exactly.

Tayshaun isnt a fringe NBA player.

If a guy thats begging for minutes gets a chance to play off the bench in non-garbage time, I expect him to go out there and give his all every game.

Shit, even Tay gave his all off the bench with that bored-ass expression on his face.

Mo Evans is average at best, but at least he plays like a guy excited to be out there.

How often does Tayshaun look "excited"? Exactly.

Tayshaun isnt a fringe NBA player.
Well, he was for a while, and he didn't look "excited" then. You obviously can't look at a persons body language and tell if they're "excited" or not. Not every is KG, screaming and beating their chest all the time.


If a guy thats begging for minutes gets a chance to play off the bench in non-garbage time, I expect him to go out there and give his all every game.

Shit, even Tay gave his all off the bench with that bored-ass expression on his face.

You see, there you go again. Imply that Carlos doesn't play hard. It's bullshit. You've got no fuckin clue. You equate a calm demeanor and missing shots to not playing hard.

If the Carlos Delfino I saw over the last 2-3 months is really giving %100 effort, then I've completely overrated his talent level, and his upside really isnt much better than Mo Evans.

If the Carlos Delfino I saw over the last 2-3 months is really giving %100 effort, then I've completely overrated his talent level, and his upside really isnt much better than Mo Evans.

What about Tayshaun during the 3 fucking months where he looked like a fucking D-leaguer? His talent must suck too. Players get in slumps. All of our players have had them throughout the season. Ben, Sheed, Dice, Chauncey, Rip, Tay, all of them. The difference is Carlos doesn't have an opportunity to play out of it. Of the players that play any semi-rotation minutes, he plays by far the least.

Tay is a proven player. His place on the team is without question.

%90 of NBA players dont get allowed to play like shit for 2/3 of the season and keep their playing time. Sorry, it doesnt work that way. Bench players dont get the leeway starters do. Its that way on any decent NBA team.

Tay is a proven player. His place on the team is without question.

%90 of NBA players dont get allowed to play like shit for 2/3 of the season and keep their playing time. Sorry, it doesnt work that way. Bench players dont get the leeway starters do. Its that way on any decent NBA team.
Then why does Mo get to go there and get absolutely lit up every time he touches the court, yet he finds his 15mpg quite easily. Hell, Flip plays him out of position (Mo is NOT a SF) just to get him burn. Obviously he earned it by doing nothing but bounce around out there and light it up in garbage time, eh?

And Tayshaun is a proven player because he was given an opportunity on the team. He was not a "proven player" untill he had that opportunity in the playoffs. For his rookie year, he was the same damn thing as Delfino. He was just another fringe NBA player. You can't put someone in a position to fail like that, but it's becoming repetetive here. I can already see the same thing is going to happen with guys like Max and Amir. You think Amir is going to stick around when the D-league won't have him and he's not looking impressive enough in his 3 minutes of garbage time to get real minutes to actually show what he can do? You think Max is going to be happy in 2 years when Dice/Sheed/Ben are STILL here, and Max is STILL on the bench because they never threw him out there? (though I'm sure he could even have a positive impact right now)

Then why does Mo get to go there and get absolutely lit up every time he touches the court, yet he finds his 15mpg quite easily. Hell, Flip plays him out of position (Mo is NOT a SF) just to get him burn. Obviously he earned it by doing nothing but bounce around out there and light it up in garbage time, eh?

Over the last 3 months, Mo Evnas has outplayed Delfino without question.


Nobody said Mo was a great player, but the fact is you KNOW youre going to get something from him. With Delfino, he might be better, he might be worse, he might sleepwalk through the game. You never knew.

Right now Mo is giving a some offense, hustle and while he sucks as a defender, he plays team defense very well.

Delfino? Nothing. He doesnt do shit on offense, doesnt hustle like Mo, and defensively while he can defend well 1 on 1, his help-defense has been pitiful.


And Tayshaun is a proven player because he was given an opportunity on the team. He was not a "proven player" untill he had the opportunity. For his rookie year, he was the same damn thing as Delfino. You can't put someone in a position to fail like that, but it's becoming repetetive here

Tay was dropped into the fire and responded. Tay EARNED his minutes on the floor. Delfino hasnt earned shit.

Shit, Tay actually played LESS than Delfino played this year. But when Tay got his big chance, he didnt fuck up, did he? He didnt need 20 starts to get in a groove, he didnt need his teamates to make him feel special, Tay just went out and kicked ass.

With Delfino, its not simply enough to give him an opportunity: You have to hold his hand, give him a hug and change the system all to fit HIS awesome talent. God forbid he messes up, it's the team's fault for not reading him enough bedtime stories the night before.

Over the last 3 months, Mo Evnas has outplayed Delfino without question.
Mo has also gotten twice the opportunity. Carlos hasn't been bad untill the last couple weeks. Before this strech of bad games (I'd say after the Indy game was when this slump started) he was still outplaying Mo, easily. He still plays good man-to-man defense, but look at how he is rewarded when he plays well. He played Wade better than anyone on the team back in the 2nd meeting of the year. Holding him to 1 point in 13 minutes. Even Hubie Brown was drooling over Delfino's D. Then he gets DNPs the next 2 times we face the Heat. What is that shit?


Nobody said Mo was a great player, but the fact is you KNOW youre going to get something from him. With Delfino, he might be better, he might be worse, he might sleepwalk through the game. You never knew.
Absolute Bullshit and you know it. You KNOW you're going to get a defensive liability and that's it. He MIGHT hit a corner three or get an offensive board and immediately try to chuck it up there for a brick. He has also consistantly made poor decisions with the ball from day 1 (Carlos only has in the last 2 or 3 games).



Tay was dropped into the fire and responded.

Exactly. He didn't "earn" shit untill he was "dropped into the fire". Sorry, but 5-6 minutes every few games is not "dropped into the fire". Neither is letting the guy start after not playing for weeks, then pulling him after 5 minutes when he's playing like *gasp* he hasn't played in weeks!

Tay hadn't played in forever when Carlilse threw him out there against TMac. He played even less than Delfino is playing now.

I didnt see Tay out there feeling sorry for himself. He went out and played.

Delfino was "dropped into the fire" against shitty teams like orlando and Toronto, and he couldnt even handle THAT.

And yes the entire forum is aware that he had 2 excellent games against Pierce and Wade. I'm happy he's had two games this year where he played to potential. He should be proud of himself.

Unfortunately showing up once every 2 months doesnt meana thing in the NBA.

Tay hadn't played in forever when Carlilse threw him out there against TMac. He played even less than Delfino is playing now.

I didnt see Tay out there feeling sorry for himself. He went out and played.



In his first game in that playoff series Tayshaun played 17 minutes, had 2 points (0-of-3 FG), 1 rebound, 2 PFs, and a Turnover.

In his 2nd game he played 11 minutes, had 0 points (0-of-1 FG), 2 rebounds, 3 fouls, and a turnover.

It took untill the 5th game of the series for him to have a decent game. Sorry, but he didn't tear the world a new asshole the second he stepped onto the floor. It took a few games for him to shake of the rust, and actually play decent. It took him playing poorly a little and having his coach continue to give him a shot to go out there and play his game.

Tay hadn't played in forever when Carlilse threw him out there against TMac. He played even less than Delfino is playing now.

I didnt see Tay out there feeling sorry for himself. He went out and played.



In his first game in that playoff series Tayshaun played 17 minutes, had 2 points (0-of-3 FG), 1 rebound, 2 PFs, and a Turnover.

In his 2nd game he played 11 minutes, had 0 points (0-of-1 FG), 2 rebounds, 3 fouls, and a turnover.


Yes but he was clearly having a positive impact on the game and everybody saw it.

Delfino hasnt impacted a game like that in what seems like 5 years. His defense isnt close to what Tay was bringing vs Orlando. Don't tell me that Carlos is going out and playing great defense because its clearly bullshit.

Yes but he was clearly having a positive impact on the game and everybody saw it.

Delfino hasnt impacted a game like that in what seems like 5 years. His defense isnt close to what Tay was bringing vs Orlando. Don't tell me that Carlos is going out and playing great defense because its clearly bullshit.
Yea, and it was identical to the impact that Carlos was having on the game back when he was getting semi-consistant minutes. You know, back in the day when he was in the game long enough to actually have to defend someone. Or when Flip would put him on players who might actually take a shot or two. A great defensive player kind of loses their value if you're only playing them in shit time against scrubs. It's like having Lindsey Hunter's D guard Lindsey Hunter's O. Redundant.

And why the fuck are people debating between Mo Evans and Delfino? Like either player will make and break our chances. You fools obviously have nothing better to do than get heated about two second class bench players.

I wonder during their mini-dynasty if Laker fans were getting heated about Rick Fox and Devean George.

You are the one arguing about people arguing about 2 second class bench players, so I wouldn't talk.

And yes, these discussions go on everywhere with every team, trust me. I bet there was 100 Rick Fox vs. Devean George threads over at WTFLosAngeles.

If this team makes it to the finals, one of those 2 is going to be on the floor for ~5 minutes a game (or is Tay and/or Rip gonna play 48?). Your team can live or die by 1 shot (horry). You can beat your ass that 5 minutes can change everything.

Besides, it's the only thing to talk about when your starting 5 has been around as long as this one has. This place would be a ghost town if it weren't for these little debates about rather insignificant players. You can only say "Wow, Chauncey's good" or "Did you see that block?" so many times.

I'm not arguing about anything. I'm stating that you people need to do something better with your time, instead of arguing about two scrubs, so I think I will be talking, kiddo.

If we're depending on either player to make or break our chances for a title than I fear we'll lose. Neither of these players are any better than Darvin Ham or Ronald Dupree.

This board would be just fine without a scrub vs scrub debate.

Tay:

Why isn't there room for Delfino in the next 3 years?

If Evans is moved for nothing (future pick, scrubs) then Delfino becomes the ONLY back-up swingman.

For all intents and purposes, Tony Delk is the Pistons' backup swingman (although he's really a guard and in no way a forward).

As long as Tony Delk is on the team, I don't think there are consistent minutes for Delfino.

I agree with Tay. All we really need off our bench is Dyess, Lindsey, Delk, Davis, with a little Evans. If we TAKE CARE OF OUR BUSINESS in the first three rounds Rip or Tay won't have much of a problem playing extensive minutes in the Finals. Rip is a warrior.

For all intents and purposes, Tony Delk is the Pistons' backup swingman (although he's really a guard and in no way a forward).

As long as Tony Delk is on the team, I don't think there are consistent minutes for Delfino.
That is fine if it were true, but it's not. Maurice Evans is Flip's backup Small Forward. I have never seen Flip not play AT LEAST one of the Delfino/Mo duo, so I don't see how that is going to change in the playoffs. Flip is going to all of a sudden insert some crazy lineups he has never used before or is he gonna play Tayshaun 48+ minutes? I doubt it.

Then why does Mo get to go there and get absolutely lit up every time he touches the court, yet he finds his 15mpg quite easily. Hell, Flip plays him out of position (Mo is NOT a SF) just to get him burn. Obviously he earned it by doing nothing but bounce around out there and light it up in garbage time, eh?

Over the last 3 months, Mo Evnas has outplayed Delfino without question.


Nobody said Mo was a great player, but the fact is you KNOW youre going to get something from him. With Delfino, he might be better, he might be worse, he might sleepwalk through the game. You never knew.

Right now Mo is giving a some offense, hustle and while he sucks as a defender, he plays team defense very well.

Delfino? Nothing. He doesnt do shit on offense, doesnt hustle like Mo, and defensively while he can defend well 1 on 1, his help-defense has been pitiful.


And Tayshaun is a proven player because he was given an opportunity on the team. He was not a "proven player" untill he had the opportunity. For his rookie year, he was the same damn thing as Delfino. You can't put someone in a position to fail like that, but it's becoming repetetive here

Tay was dropped into the fire and responded. Tay EARNED his minutes on the floor. Delfino hasnt earned shit.

Shit, Tay actually played LESS than Delfino played this year. But when Tay got his big chance, he didnt fuck up, did he? He didnt need 20 starts to get in a groove, he didnt need his teamates to make him feel special, Tay just went out and kicked ass.

With Delfino, its not simply enough to give him an opportunity: You have to hold his hand, give him a hug and change the system all to fit HIS awesome talent. God forbid he messes up, it's the team's fault for not reading him enough bedtime stories the night before.

Completely Agree. Outside of a couple of decent defensive performances, Delfino has shown nothing. This lovefest everyone has with him amazes me. Evans has clearly been the better player.

Mo consistently plays better than Delfino? Who is surprised by that? Evans gets consistent minutes.

Kstat wrote:


Nobody said Mo was a great player, but the fact is you KNOW youre going to get something from him. With Delfino, he might be better, he might be worse, he might sleepwalk through the game. You never knew.

And you will never fucking find out what Delfino can really do if you continue to give him 5 minutes one game, DNP the next, 3 minutes the next, 2 more DNP's and then hand him 15 minutes.

That's a joke and any sane fucking individual knows it. You can not perform at your best when you're being jerked around like that.

Kstat wrote:


Right now Mo is giving a some offense, hustle and while he sucks as a defender, he plays team defense very well.

Delfino? Nothing. He doesnt do shit on offense, doesnt hustle like Mo, and defensively while he can defend well 1 on 1, his help-defense has been pitiful.



So, on man to man Evans sucks, but Delfino doesn't? Cool - edge to Delfino

Team D? Evans is better.

So on D it's even.

Offensively Evans can hit a 3 from the corner every now and then and can hustle for some boards.

Big Fucking Deal

If Delfino was consistently getting 15 minutes per game he'd provide more than that bullshit.

In fact, I'm of the opinion that Delfino is more of a threat right now than Evans. Delfino doesn't even need to shoot the ball to be more of a threat.

Evans offense is pathetic.

Kstat wrote:


With Delfino, its not simply enough to give him an opportunity: You have to hold his hand, give him a hug and change the system all to fit HIS awesome talent. God forbid he messes up, it's the team's fault for not reading him enough bedtime stories the night before.


That's nice. Changing the whole system? Who asked for that? All he needs is consistent minutes every night and that's it.

If that's too much to ask because "we're championship contenders" then trade his ass for a pick and be done with it.

Yes please trade his sorry ass! I'm sick of all these excuses for these sackless ferners.

When these sackless ferners are playing well on opposing teams and we're falling into Lotto Land WOD and Kstat will complain that we dumped said ferners for "nothing".

The joys of being a fanboy!

BTW, to explain the "Delfino is more of an offensive threat than Evans" bit:

If you took Prince out of the lineup for a month and put Evans in opposing teams would leave Evans open every single game.

He might make them pay every now and then but overall he'd stink up the joint.

But Delfino? He's a threat to shoot, to drive and score or drive and dish. He provides more options by being on the floor.

It's plain as day he's a better all-round player.

I'm not saying he's awesome or a potential All-Star or any of that over-hyped bullshit.

I'm saying that given consistent minutes every single night he'd bring more to this team than Evans.

And you guys disagree?

When these sackless ferners are playing well on opposing teams and we're falling into Lotto Land WOD and Kstat will complain that we dumped said ferners for "nothing".

The joys of being a fanboy!

If we trade Delfino we're going into the lottery? LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When these sackless ferners are playing well on opposing teams and we're falling into Lotto Land WOD and Kstat will complain that we dumped said ferners for "nothing".

The joys of being a fanboy!

If we trade Delfino we're going into the lottery? LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Your just about as bad as the paper that misquoted delfino. Does he say delfino in his statement...does he...no. He is saying by trading away all our foreign players without giving them a chance will lead us to the lottery. I personally dont ever see us getting to that point but READ what he is saying instead of trying to be a hard ass.

also, iv loved this kids game since he got here. and stand by him for his game. Weve completed two cycles now. When he first got here everybody was high on him....then he gets hurt and everyone hates him cause he didnt come back right away. Then he started getting time this year and looky here everyones back on board. Then he gets his minutes cut while hes paying his best ball as a piston and loses all the momentum he has going. And you all hate him again. Pick a side..stay on it...dont flip flop around because hes an inconsitant shooter. You would be all over him if he could score 10 points a game and play no D wouldnt you WOD.

Does he say delfino in his statement...does he...no. He is saying by trading away all our foreign players without giving them a chance will lead us to the lottery.


Oh so we'll go from having the best record in the NBA to the lottery because we trade Delfino AND Darko. That's a lot better. LMFAO!


You would be all over him if he could score 10 points a game and play no D wouldnt you WOD.

Yeah because I'm anti-defense. Hell I think we should try and play like the Suns. The fuck outta here with this crap. Delfino has been acting bitchmade since the moment we drafted him. He's erratic and lazy on the court. He can't shoot and rarely plays D. But hey we're heading to the lottery if we trade him.

Does he say delfino in his statement...does he...no. He is saying by trading away all our foreign players without giving them a chance will lead us to the lottery.


Oh so we'll go from having the best record in the NBA to the lottery because we trade Delfino AND Darko. That's a lot better. LMFAO!


You would be all over him if he could score 10 points a game and play no D wouldnt you WOD.

Yeah because I'm anti-defense. Hell I think we should try and play like the Suns. The fuck outta here with this crap. Delfino has been acting bitchmade since the moment we drafted him. He's erratic and lazy on the court. He can't shoot and rarely plays D. But hey we're heading to the lottery if we trade him.


Read what i wrote. I said i dont agree with his statement. If we trade Delfino we would be fine. No lottery..no loss at all really. Simply said that he never said anything about trading Del and going to the lottery.

Sorry to single you out on the D thing. I really dont know your position on that. Just seems that most dislike delfino cause he cant score in limited minutes. If mo evans and del flipped minutes we would be having the same discussion about mo.

Simply said that he never said anything about trading Del and going to the lottery.



Uh that's exactly what he said.

Me-TRADE OUR CRAP FERNERS!

Stackman-If we trade our ferners we'll be falling into the lottery

Since this is a Delfino thread and he's out only ferner. I think it's pretty clear he was talking about el Fino.

Simply said that he never said anything about trading Del and going to the lottery.



Uh that's exactly what he said.

Me-TRADE OUR CRAP FERNERS!

Stackman-If we trade our ferners we'll be falling into the lottery

Since this is a Delfino thread and he's out only ferner. I think it's pretty clear he was talking about el Fino.


Im talking about your quote of Pharaoh no one elses.

Stackman is Pharaoh's old handle.

When these sackless ferners are playing well on opposing teams and we're falling into Lotto Land WOD and Kstat will complain that we dumped said ferners for "nothing".

The joys of being a fanboy!

To this say I'm still happy with the Darko trade. He didn't want to be here and showed it in his play.

If Delfino leaves here and plays better elsewhere, so be it. But right now he's not helping this team.

fuck it, lets trade both Evans/Delfino for a honest to god talented backup SF who can play 20 minutes no problem every game. How much $ is harrington gonna ask for anyways?

He'll ask for more than the MLE, most likely. So he's out of the picture.

Re-signing Ben is 1st priority, but I think thatll be a very simple mater.

fuck it, lets trade both Evans/Delfino for a honest to god talented backup SF who can play 20 minutes no problem every game. How much $ is harrington gonna ask for anyways?

Way more than we have. Nad he's closer to a PF than a SF. He gets lit up easily at SF (not to say he doesn't get lit up at PF). And he's gonna want more than 20 minutes, which we also don't have.

Delfino has talent that's a fact, he was a big time player in Europa, played for Argentina, won the gold and had some good game for Detroit, that isn't luck or something, this guy can be a good player in this league and for the Pistons you just need to have some common sense with his playing time.

And on another note : Diddy kiss my european ass.

Looking at the 06 class, Jumaine Jones is really the only other realistic option at SF.

John Salmons is also there. He might actually be worth a look...

And on another note : Diddy kiss my european ass.

Quit exporting soft, whiny, lazy bums and I'll stop being mean to them.

Actually we like them like that [smilie=2thumbsup.g:

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THAT IS SO GOING IN MY SIG! ROFL

Actually we like them like that [smilie=2thumbsup.g:

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You realize Argentina isnt in Europe...

You realize Argentina isnt in Europe...

NO SHIT §§

And you realize we were talking about an Argentinian player ?

And you realize (yeah i think you do) that the flag on the right is the flag of an European Country ?

Anyway fuck that I'm coming back to just reading this board, i'm not comfortable writing in english, i've spend like 10 minutes to just wrote that post.

When these sackless ferners are playing well on opposing teams and we're falling into Lotto Land WOD and Kstat will complain that we dumped said ferners for "nothing".

The joys of being a fanboy!

Can you read Diddy? I thought you could but obviously I was wrong.

Read my post again and tell me where I said we're going to be a Lotto team for trading away Darko and Delfino.

You can't tell me shit because I didn't post that.

I said that when Darko and Delfino are playing well for opposing teams and we're falling into the Lottery you will whine that we gave them away for nothing.

When will this happen? 4 years from now? 5 years from now? Possibly.

I'm certain you'll be whining somewhere the next time the Pistons are in the Lottery, blaming Joe for not drafting some stud and/or developing players.

I'm dissapointed I didn't get in this discussion sooner. Maybe then you people wouldn't completely overlook Pharoah's great point.

Evans excells at the sporadic playing time, hustle minutes, etc. He's like Maxiel or Dale Davis. You can put him in at any time for a 3-5 minute stretch and expect him to play hard the entire time. You might not get a ton of production, but they probably won't get outplayed. That's the perfect type of player to have in the 9-14 spots on your team. However, that's not what you want at 6-8. You want guys who can fill in for a starter that goes down, and provide a scoring spark off the bench. Guys like Dyess and Delk have shown that, and Delfino at times. Granted, his shot has been off lately, so I can't defend that.

But, Delfino is the TYPE of player you want as a 6th, 7th or 8th man. He was playing well earlier in the year, so I have faith he could really excell in the role of a backup 2/3 that gets all the minutes there. We can argue all day about whether Delfino started sucking before losing minutes, or whether the minutes lead to sucking. Either way, he played well in a defined role, and sucks in a non-defined role. Thus, I have to believe he would play well again in a defined role. The game against Orlando has to be treated as an abboration. use the sample of games (boston, etc) where he played good minutes as an indication of his potential...and use the last month or so of playing sparingly as an indication of him not fitting that role well.

So, Dumars has two choices:

1) trade Delfino, keep Evans, add another Evans/Hunter type player that can bring hustle but only worth playing for 5 minutes a night. Split the minutes and play the "hot hand" that night.

2) Keep Delfino, trade Evans for a non-swingman and play Delfino all the backup 2/3 minutes.

You can take your pick. I personally like option #2. People say Delfino will never be a good bench player, but I disagree. if he got solid minutes every night off the bench he wouldn't be in this shooting slump IMO.

I'd like to see this Delk, Delfino and Dyess all get 25+ minutes off the bench. That would give 33 minutes to each starter. That would be perfect in my book.

So instead of trading Evans for 2 second round picks in order to give Delfino playing time Kstat's plan is to keep them both on the same roster AND sign Jumaine Jones with some or all of the MLE?

Great fucking idea.

I can't believe you guys think that letting a young player like Delfino sit on the bench all season is a good move.

He's been up and down all season but he's shown a fair bit of talent. You don't just bench the kid and say "we'll get to you next season"

That's fucking stupid.

You move the journeyman who is blocking his path because you HOPE Delfino will break out with consistent minutes.

As a fall back position you'd have a guy like Ronald Dupree on the roster, in case Delfino fails.

It's simple.

I just wish Carlos would stop taking fucking jumpshots. Honestly, it's like Tayshaun earlier in the year. He wouldn't quit with the fucking 20 foot jumpshots, and he sucked because of it. Brought his entire game down. I don't know why Flip didn't get on his case about it (or maybe Flip encouraged it with his "shoot out of it" approach), but the same thing is happening to Carlos. Get something going toward the rim. Get a layup or some free throws. Guys like Tayshaun and Delfino need to use the Jumpshot as the last possible weapon. Tayshaun's shot is too awkard and Delfino's release seems a bit too slow and streaky.

You think Tayshaun would have gotten out of his funk if he was playing 6 minutes here, DNP there, 5 minutes the next? Not a chance. Carlos obviously has the talent, and while I don't think he'll make or break this year, I think he could have definately helped and could definately help in the future. Yea, having a guy that can come out and be great in no matter what kind of inconsistant minutes would be nice, but I don't think that player exists with the kind of budget we have. Most players need some time to produce.

Here's something no one is thinking about:

IF we had a quality swingman on the bench Rip and Tay play less minutes.

That might not mean much when you look at a single season, but over the course of 5 years those extra miles on the tyres make a difference.

One thing is related to another, which is related to another, which is related to another.

It's not a simple case of Evans brings energy and hustle so fuck Delfino.

Look beyond the next 30 seconds.

FP has a good point. With Delfino's inconsistant minutes and his shot being off, he needs to get a couple dunks/fouls to get rolling before taking jump shots. Yes, they have been open/good looks, but he's still missing them. I actually think it would be nice if they ran some give and go like Ben and RIP do with the fake hand off stuff to get Delfino to the rim as soon as he gets in the game. Then maybe he'll play with confidence. Instead they run him off the screens like RIP does, which isn't really his game. So he misses a couple jumpers and slumps the whole game.

So instead of trading Evans for 2 second round picks in order to give Delfino playing time Kstat's plan is to keep them both on the same roster AND sign Jumaine Jones with some or all of the MLE?

Great fucking idea.

I can't believe you guys think that letting a young player like Delfino sit on the bench all season is a good move.

He's been up and down all season but he's shown a fair bit of talent. You don't just bench the kid and say "we'll get to you next season"

That's fucking stupid.

You move the journeyman who is blocking his path because you HOPE Delfino will break out with consistent minutes.

As a fall back position you'd have a guy like Ronald Dupree on the roster, in case Delfino fails.

It's simple.

The problem with this post is that it assumes that Delfino has warranted the need for us to move people blocking his way and he hasn't. When you've got a guy scoring 17 a game over is Europe, you'd hope he was at least good for 5--wrong. If he's average at best in 10 minutes why on God's earth would we give him 20? He's shown that he can play some decent d, but he's also proven to be an awful shooter. The one thing we always said with Darko was give him 10 minutes a game and then make a decision. That never happened, but I HAVE seen Delfino for 9-10 minutes a game and lately even more and he's just super inconsistent. I'm not for KStats keep all three, but if we could move either Delf or Evans or both and add a guy like Jumaine Jones, I'd be all for it. If nothing else, I know he can make an open jumper.

Jumaine Jones gets all the PT and shots he can handle and he still shoots 40% FG and 34% 3FG. Why would we want him again? Because he had a little hot stretch and can get minutes on a team like the Bobcats? Sorry, but he would be the new Mo Evans.

And Varsity, can you honestly say you've seen Carlos play 10 minutes per game? No, it's 5 minutes here, 6 minutes there, then the occassional 20 minute blowout scattered with DNPs. He hasn't been given near the shot Mo Evans has despite obviously much better defense.

When Carlos was playing his best ball he was in double figures in minutes almost everynight. In a stretch during Jan/Feb he played at least 10 minutes in 18 of 23 games (that was the stretch when he was guarding Pierce, Vince, Wade, etc). Everyone was very high on him at the time. Since then he has only seen double figures in minutes in 3 of 19 games including 5 DNPs and a few 1-2 minute games. Anyone who thinks he has been given a fair shake down the strech is delusional. His poor play of late is a direct result of having not played consistantly since february.

And no kstat, I know what you are going to say before you say it, so don't waste your time. Any NBA player will tell you it's next to impossible to come out and play well after not playing for shit in weeks/months or in some ridiculously small minutes.

More fun stuff for you...

When Carlos plays 0-10 minutes... (6.2mpg)
1.4ppg (28.6% FG, 11% 3FG, 57% FT), 0.9rpg, 0.3apg
When Carlos plays 10-20 minutes... (14.1mpg)
5.3ppg (43% FG, 41% 3FG, 78% FT), 2.3rpg, 1apg

When Mo Evans plays 0-10 minutes... (6.1mpg)
1.4ppg (27% FG, 33% 3FG, 75% FT), 1.1rpg, 0.2apg
When Mo Evans plays 10-20 minutes... (14.6mpg)
4.9ppg (44% FG, 36% 3FG, 79% FT), 2.1rpg, 0.9apg

The difference is Mo gets a hell of a lot more 10-20 minute games than Carlos does.

New nickname for Delfino:

"The walking misquote"

Excuse me, but I NEVER said my plan was to keep all three.

However, I do think if we have a chance to drop one guy and add a jumaine Jones or John Salmons, I'd do it.

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You're trying too hard Glenn. get some sleep. [smilie=baby.gif]

Excuse me, but I NEVER said my plan was to keep all three.

However, I do think if we have a chance to drop one guy and add a jumaine Jones or John Salmons, I'd do it.
Both guys arent worth our time IMO.

As a fall back position you'd have a guy like Ronald Dupree on the roster, in case Delfino fails.

It's simple.
Mo evans is the dupree. unfortunately. Minny coulda used evans better than us. and we coulda used dupree better than them.

Excuse me, but I NEVER said my plan was to keep all three.

However, I do think if we have a chance to drop one guy and add a jumaine Jones or John Salmons, I'd do it.

Go here and check out how these guys perform in limited minutes...

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/charlotte-bobcats/players/jumaine-jones/stats/06/3/36
http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketball/fantasy/nba/philadelphia-76ers/players/john-salmons/stats/06/22/324

Check to see how they play in 10 minutes or less, or in 10-20 minutes. You know, when they don't have time to get a rhythm, or to work themselves into a good game. That's how I'd look for someone. Who cares what they can do playing 40 minutes? They aren't going to see that kind of time here.

Let me know what you find...

John Motherfucking Salmons? I'm sorry stat, but you've got to be kidding. He's not Piston material.

John Motherfucking Salmons? I'm sorry stat, but you've got to be kidding. He's not Piston material.
yea i wouldnt go for salmons myself. but nothing wrong with throwing out ideas i guess. I feel we are capable of progressing Delfino. I think the team thinks the same of Evans. The fact that Joe D. himself is trying to help Delfino with his offensive aggressive says that he still thinks that they can get consistency out of him in the near future on offense.

And if we win the title, i think we possibly keep them both with little or no incident. if we are by far the best team in the league and it shows this playoffs. Maturing Evans(though i dont really see him getting much better, but who knows), Delfino, Maxiell, and Amir will be probally be a point of emphasis. As long as it doesnt cost us titles or serious money against our core groups salary, I think Dumars wants to see his younger personel develop.

What did I say? Give him minutes, production will come. Same with Maxiell and Amir. You can't do shit in 5 minutes.

What did I say? Give him minutes, production will come. Same with Maxiell and Amir. You can't do shit in 5 minutes.
i think he was benefiting from playing PG and SG as opposed to SF. we were more effective with delfino at SG and amir at SF.

delk/delfino double combo guard backcourt sub rotation after hunter retires wouldnt be a bad idea. And get Amir at SF over Mo [smilie=angel.gif]

ah well. either way i liked what i saw from everyone except acker. he doesnt know lick about how to use his athleticism on defense or offense at times.

If we can move Delk to backup PG next year and let Delfino play SG, things could work out for him.

Of course theyd switch positions on offense.

Um, nice to see Delfino get some playing time and actually perform.

It doesn't surprise me though.

That said Delfino fans shouldn't start sucking each other's dicks just yet.

It was just one game

That said Delfino fans shouldn't start sucking each other's dicks just yet.


Why ruin their fun?

Because 1 game doesn't mean shit.

Maybe if Flip gave him 20 minutes a night and he performed well most of the time they could have a circle jerk/blow job orgy.

But until Flip stops joining Mo's fans in their orgy the Carlos fans will have to chill.

Um, nice to see Delfino get some playing time and actually perform.

It doesn't surprise me though.

That said Delfino fans shouldn't start sucking each other's dicks just yet.

It was just one game
~looking for the place where someone tried to call him a juggernaut like kilo and bdiddy on darko~ dont see it. [smilie=arnold.gif]
Just said he looked better in the natural SG/ball handler role he played last night. But I remember a few people expressing concern over having no "true SF" to back up tayshaun. It would be nice to see amir fill that role and see a delk/delfino backcourt. takes the pressure off delfino to be a shooter and the pressure off of Delk to be the lead distributer next year.

That said Delfino fans shouldn't start sucking each other's dicks just yet.


Why ruin their fun?

Diddy, would you (or someone you know) like to handle that question?

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