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theMUHMEshow
04-14-2006, 01:48 PM
http://82games.com/random12.htm

Great info...

Katrina_32
04-14-2006, 01:54 PM
Atleast 3 of our starters are on that List

Top 10 looks pretty decent to me.

BigggChris04
04-14-2006, 02:01 PM
http://82games.com/random12.htm

Great info...
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Site dont work for me
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Anyone wanna quote it?

Katrina_32
04-14-2006, 02:11 PM
Leading "Game Winning Shot" Players

Carmelo Anthony
Ray Allen
Michael Redd
Steve Francis
Allen Iverson
Joe Johnson
Tracy McGrady
Vince Carter
Ben Gordon
Dirk Nowitzki
Paul Pierce
Kobe Bryant
Jalen Rose
Derek Fisher
Pau Gasol
Damon Stoudamire
Tim Duncan
Ricky Davis
Dwyane Wade
Jamal Crawford
Damon Jones
Zach Randolph
Richard Hamilton
Antawn Jamison
Jason Terry
Gilbert Arenas
Mike Bibby
Chris Webber
Kevin Garnett
Chauncey Billups
P.J. Brown
Yao Ming
Tony Parker
Richard Jefferson
Shawn Marion
Baron Davis
Mike James
Rasheed Wallace
LeBron James

Matt
04-14-2006, 02:13 PM
well, considering the Pistons lead the NBA in point differential, i'd assume that means Chauncey doesn't as many chances as others do.

MOLA1
04-14-2006, 02:15 PM
10 times out of 10 I'd rather him take that shot over anyone else in the NBA though.

Maybe it's just me, but check the sig if you disagree bitches!

Comrade
04-14-2006, 02:16 PM
That's shots hit in the last 24 seconds when your team is down by 1 or 2. It's a very mechanical definition of "clutch", but I understand the need so you can gather stats. Notice that Chauncey is the leader in freethrows however. There are numerous times late in the third and early fourth where Chauncey has taken over games and put us back in them, which won't be represented in those stats. Interesting read though.

Fool
04-14-2006, 02:17 PM
Yeah, the thread title is a poor one as the list doesn't suggest what MUHME thinks it does (its about game winners not "being clutch").

Here's a list tracking the best "crunch time" performers during this season.

http://www.nba.com/features/nestle/crunch_time_stat.html

Matt
04-14-2006, 02:17 PM
plus, their criteria is pretty subjective:


1. With 24 seconds or less, then it truly is a "last possession" situation potentially
2. With a margin from tied to down 2, the team can take the lead with a made basket (including 3's)
3. By excluding a down 3 situation, we don't have the "gimme two point buckets" that defenses will sometimes yield to the quick bucket/intentional foul strategy option you often see exercised.


a guy could hit a last shot w/ 30 seconds left to put the team up 1, and it wouldn't count.

Black Dynamite
04-14-2006, 02:19 PM
Maybe it's just me, but check the sig if you disagree bitches!
I call foul on that sig not being recent and what you've done to kahn's slick pimpin hair. [smilie=anxious.gif]
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/7705/judson/kahn.jpg
[smilie=anxious.gif] ok nevermind. Its an improvement.

Hmmm stack hit quite a few game winners in his day. never in the playoffs though. [smilie=angry.gif]

BigggChris04
04-14-2006, 02:20 PM
Atleast 3 of our starters are on that List

Top 10 looks pretty decent to me.
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What up Katrina, didn't know that was you until now
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Chauncey is clearly top 10 clutch wise
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But like someone said, the criteria doenst really apply for all/certain clutch situations

Katrina_32
04-14-2006, 02:20 PM
Chauncey isn't even on the list when it comes to Top Free Throw Clutch players

that's bull

Matt
04-14-2006, 02:22 PM
Yeah, the thread title is a poor one as the list doesn't suggest what MUHME thinks it does (its about game winners not "being clutch".

Here's a list tracking the best "crunch time" performers during this season.

http://www.nba.com/features/nestle/crunch_time_stat.html

cool, thanks for the link. here's the criteria:


The Nestle Crunch Time Stat was designed by the NBA and Nestle to provide an innovative way to measure "Crunch Time" performances -- players who step up when the game is on the line! A formula has been created to measure the top Nestle Crunch Time players, and the formula kicks in when Crunch Time kicks in -- the last two minutes and all overtime periods.

Here's the formula:

(PTS + REB + AST + STL + BLK) - ((FGA - FGM) + (FTA - FTM) + TO) + 4 points if their team wins

Note: If the point differential of the game is greater than 15 points at the two-minute mark, only the losing team's players will be eligible to earn Crunch Time points.

Fekz
04-14-2006, 02:23 PM
yeah that stat isn't what it should be. chauncey is at least top 5 in clutchness.

Katrina_32
04-14-2006, 02:23 PM
Atleast 3 of our starters are on that List

Top 10 looks pretty decent to me.
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What up Katrina, didn't know that was you until now
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Chauncey is clearly top 10 clutch wise
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But like someone said, the criteria doenst really apply for all/certain clutch situations

Hey Chris, so this is where you have been hiding? [smilie=arnold.gif]

Black Dynamite
04-14-2006, 02:24 PM
its a hard stat to measure i think. but he has been one of the most clutch pistons for us ever.

BigggChris04
04-14-2006, 02:28 PM
Atleast 3 of our starters are on that List

Top 10 looks pretty decent to me.
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What up Katrina, didn't know that was you until now
...
Chauncey is clearly top 10 clutch wise
...
But like someone said, the criteria doenst really apply for all/certain clutch situations

Hey Chris, so this is where you have been hiding? [smilie=arnold.gif]
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Here
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As you can see
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This is me Home-Sweet-Home

Darth Thanatos
04-14-2006, 04:02 PM
Billups is a great clutch player, easily top five. There are only one or two people I'd take over him in the clutch.

WTFchris
04-14-2006, 04:46 PM
Yeah, the thread title is a poor one as the list doesn't suggest what MUHME thinks it does (its about game winners not "being clutch").

Here's a list tracking the best "crunch time" performers during this season.

http://www.nba.com/features/nestle/crunch_time_stat.html

I like that one because it rewards guys like Ben for blocking crucial plays too. Blocking a game winner is just as clutch as making one IMO.

Kstat
04-14-2006, 05:50 PM
Chauncey led the NBA in that category 3 years ago, and I think we can all agree that he has improved since then...

Fool
04-14-2006, 11:07 PM
Yeah, its a shame Carlisle isn't here to choke off about 13 points/game and get Chauncey more last second chances.

theMUHMEshow
04-15-2006, 08:29 AM
I did not post this because I think it is true...just something i stumbled upon

Uncle Mxy
04-16-2006, 09:46 AM
That 82games.com clutch stat had Chauncey leading with FTs in the clutch.

The Nestle clutch stat just shows that our clutch play often involves some sort of killer D move by Ben, which anyone actually watching games could've told you. Ben and Chauncey have been among the top dozen or so in that stat for years.