He said he was considering a lineup of Sheed, Dice and Ben, or Sheed Dice and Dale, and that he might start trying it as early as tomorrow.

He did say he was going to start using Dale every game now, getting him into playoff shape.

Whos willing to bet he "forgets" about Dale sitting overthere.

I can see that lineup working when Fatoine is playing SF, but if it's a younger, faster, better SF, no way.

He's said that before. I'm taking this as lip service.

I think this is another way of saying "we don't have a legit backup for Tay" (in addition to wanting to get Dale additional minutes).

Sheed= the new backup SF?

I like it provided the SF isn't the Lebrons of the world as Glenn mentioned. Play that against the Fationes, Kukoc's, etc.

I wonder if he plans on using that lineup in the playoffs in case Miami tries the Shaq/Zo thing again.

I like it provided the SF isn't the Lebrons of the world as Glenn mentioned. Play that against the Fationes, Kukoc's, etc.
I'd prefer we dont use it at all. even kukoc can get past our bigs. and you have the potential to get all three of them in foul trouble.

This is how he gets Delfino completely out of the rotation. Sheed has no bussiness guarding SFs. He isn't going to punish them on the glass or in the paint, so it's a waste. That is, afterall, why you would go to a big lineup.

So now you pull Sheed out against SFs on the defensive end and get a guy covering him that feels comfortable where he likes to play (perimeter). Doesn't make sense if he isn't going to abuse them in the post every posession. Against Toine, OK. But against most SFs, it's a bad idea.

This is how he zones Delfino completely out of the rotation.
well duh. Though i dont think he'll do it. but he is too obsessed with offense and in his mind this is the perfect offensive answer. As far as i'm concerned, ben wallace is the assistant coach on defense. because not one fuck on the staff talked defense until he said something.

This is how he zones Delfino completely out of the rotation.
well duh. Though i dont think he'll do it. but he is too obsessed with offense and in his mind this is the perfect offensive answer. As far as i'm concerned, ben wallace is the assistant coach on defense. because not one fuck on the staff talked defense until he said something.

I agree. When the day comes that Ben Wallace retires we are going to HAVE to get a new coach. There is no way that this team could survive on the defensive end without Ben's play and his emphasis on defense. Sadly, if Ben wasn't already the cornerstone of this franchise, I doubt Flip would care for him much. He'd probably start Dice.

He he's zoning out both Delfino and Mo at the same time, I have no problem with that. Both have sucked and don't deserve more PT than theyre getting.

He he's zoning out both Delfino and Mo at the same time, I have no problem with that. Both have sucked and don't deserve more PT than theyre getting.

The problem is that sheed is worse than Delfino and Mo (thought that was impossible, but no) at guarding Small Forwards. Imagine Sheed guarding Lebron, Richard Jefferson, Carmelo, Pierce, T-Mac, etc. It's a disaster waiting to happen on the defensive end. Then combine it with Sheed's unwillingness to go into the paint to score in the post or rebound the ball and it's a nightmare.

Imagine Sheed guarding Lebron, Richard Jefferson, Carmelo, Pierce, T-Mac, etc. It's a disaster waiting to happen on the defensive end.

...exactly why would we be playing a backup against the other team's starter?

Imagine Sheed guarding Lebron, Richard Jefferson, Carmelo, Pierce, T-Mac, etc. It's a disaster waiting to happen on the defensive end.

...exactly why would we be playing a backup against the other team's starter?

Those guys play practically the entire game. If it's the playoffs especially. Even backups would play out of their mind with Sheed guarding them. Bottom Line: it's a bad idea because it's Sheed. He is not going to punish them on the other end. It takes all of the benefits out of it.

Imagine Sheed guarding Lebron, Richard Jefferson, Carmelo, Pierce, T-Mac, etc. It's a disaster waiting to happen on the defensive end.

...exactly why would we be playing a backup against the other team's starter?

Those guys play practically the entire game. If it's the playoffs especially.

...then Tay will play practically the entire game.

I don't recall Flip saying this would be a playoff lineup. It's an experiment.

...then Tay will play practically the entire game.

I don't recall Flip saying this would be a playoff lineup. It's an experiment.

Why would he use it at all if he didn't want to use it in the playoffs? Just to fuck around with the rhythm of the team heading into the playoffs? Great [smilie=anxious.gif]

...then Tay will play practically the entire game.

I don't recall Flip saying this would be a playoff lineup. It's an experiment.

Why would he use it at all if he didn't want to use it in the playoffs? Just to fuck around with the rhythm of the team heading into the playoffs? Great [smilie=anxious.gif]

It's an experiment to see how well it works, so he can make a decision later on.

And all coaches change the rotation prior to the playoffs, wether its shortening minutes or getting the vets more inolved.

Larry Brown started DARKO the final 2 games last year.

You're just looking for reasons to be negative.

It's an experiment to see how well it works, so he can make a decision later on.

And all coaches change the rotation prior to the playoffs, wether its shortening minutes or getting the vets more inolved.

Larry Brown started DARKO the final 2 games last year.

You're just looking for reasons to be negative.

And do you remember how the playoffs started last season? Remember the Sixers pounding us early? I don't care to go through that again. Especially if it's against a better team like the Bulls/Pacers.

I don't mind using the Vets more and maybe giving the main bench players some more minutes to touch a few things up, but totally changing lineups and adding new things isn't always the best idea.

And do you remember how the playoffs started last season? Remember the Sixers pounding us early?

I remember us starting the playoffs healthy. I could care less about one bad quarter.

He he's zoning out both Delfino and Mo at the same time, I have no problem with that. Both have sucked and don't deserve more PT than theyre getting.
you're entitled to that opinion. of course you're measuring this on jumpshots alone as usual i'm sure. [smilie=angel.gif]

I highly doubt he zones either guy out. wearing out your bigmen to rest tayshan doesnt sound like an even half smart theory. In the end he's looking for a situational lineup against Dallas and any other team playing a 6ft 10in or higher guy at SF. That exes out almost every team in the east. In fact most teams period. I doubt he even uses against that joke of a PF Walker.


As much as i rag on his ignorance to defensive importance. I dont expect Flip to be that stupid. Atleast I dont expect as much. [smilie=anxious.gif]

Did he say anything about getting Cato involved? Not necessarily as rotation guy or regular player but to see if he can help them in the playoffs in case something happens to a big . I mean using an XL lineup knowing that you have Dice or DD, Cato and Prince sitting it is not as bad as if you only have two of the three and would be forced into playing Tay at the 4 if there was foul trouble or an injury.

Call me nuts, but I think the XL linue-up would be best used against New Jersey. Rasheed is probably a better guard for Nenad, I'm thinking about Ben Wallace on Richard Jefferson. It has been mentioned that Ben can guard anybody on the floor - why is it that Rasheed needs to play the opposing SF?? I mean isn't Ben basically a muscled up small forward?? He is an athletic freak as well, and Tay simply cannot guard Jefferson anyways...

I agree with Kilo. Ben would be hell on Sf's like Jefferson, who would then would need to cover Rip or Sheed on the other end and cause a lot of fatigue and frustration.

i know it's just one play, but the last time i remember Ben covering RJ, RJ blew by him and dunked on him :(

i know it's just one play, but the last time i remember Ben covering RJ, RJ blew by him and dunked on him :(

Yea, I agree. Ben isn't quick enough to handle an explosive player like RJ.

The big line-up is a myth. Larry talked about using it before last season and I think we saw it once. It aint gonna happen.

The big line-up is a myth. Larry talked about using it before last season and I think we saw it once. It aint gonna happen.

Sadly it may just be a myth, so like WOD said I won't hold my breath.

I agree with Kilo. Ben would be hell on Sf's like Jefferson, who would then would need to cover Rip or Sheed on the other end and cause a lot of fatigue and frustration.
unforunately jefferson would own him. Anytime ben gets him on a switch. Hefferson goes right by him on a drive. He's just too quick for ben and our bigs. it would be a nightmare for us.

it would be a nightmare for us.

Already is, just ask Darko.

it would be a nightmare for us.

Already is, just ask Darko.
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It's part of the celebration of the Pistons-Pacers game this weekend.

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Thanks.

It's part of the celebration of the Pistons-Pacers game this weekend.

ROLL CALL! I'll be there.

I think many are looking to deep into this. This is a gimmick lineup. No problem with Flip throwing it out there to see what it looks like. If it can work he may use it as a change of pace type of thing once or twice in the playoffs. More novelty than anything. It has little to do with our backup SF issues. I also don't think he's looking at this with any specific matchup in mind.

It's called fucking around and keeping it fun and interesting when you have nothing else to play for.

haha, that's awesome Glenn. Might I also suggest a cell phone with Curry's number in speed dial #1, and his jersey in a ziploc bag in case he needs him in a flash.