Who will have the better year?

its not even close. peavy is much much better.

he is probably top 5 in the game whereas mulder isnt top 20.

That's what the kids were saying last year as well. In the end, it depends on what statistical category you viewed higher. I tend to take wins over ERA.

However, with each year this question is asked, obviously Peavy gets the edge as he enters his prime, while Mulder is at the end of it.

wins are obviously important but when comparing pitching you gotta go by ERA, especially if they are in the same League.

Your job as a pitcher is to give up as few runs as possible and the way to judge that is ERA.

How's everyone feeling about the poll right now? Peavy's been a little rough lately. Generally only giving up 2 runs through 7 is fine, but when your offense is provided by the Padres you're going to lose, and he did to the Braves yesterday. But your bot got SHELLED giving up 8 earned through 4 to the Rockies, IN SAN DIEGO! It's one thing to get rocked at Coors, but he blew it at home. Meanwhile, Mulder hasn't lost.

I'm not surprised that you bumped this after a Mulder win, but I'm surprised you picked a win where he looked less than good.

M. Mulder
IP 5.0
H 10
R 4
ER 4
BB 0
K 4
HR 2

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/GlennDanzig/peavyav.jpg

Screw Peavy after his WBC performance. Screw Willis, too.

Jake Peavy is putting Icy Hot in his jock before starts, reportedly because Roger Clemens told him that’s what he does. Anyone else have a feeling the Rocket is on the floor, laughing his ass off about now?

Jake Peavy is putting Icy Hot in his jock before starts, reportedly because Roger Clemens told him that’s what he does. Anyone else have a feeling the Rocket is on the floor, laughing his ass off about now?

yea dude hats funny but too the subject i like peavy over mulder he is still young and will probally get 15 or so wins but his ERA and K's will be great i pick him over Mulder almost every day.

Bottom line:
San Diego = 1-3 in games Peavy starts
St. Louis = 3-0 in games Mulder starts

So you want to debate who is better, St. Louis or San Diego.

At least, that is how it sounds.

I'll admit the original "who will have a better year" question gives you some latitude, maybe I should have said "who is the better pitcher"?

I think every GM in MLB would take Peavy over Mulder, hands down.

By the way, make that 4-0 for the Cards.

Admittedly, St. Louis is a MUCH better team, but the Padres were a playoff team last season and, by many accounts, should have gotten better in the offseason. Chris Young doesn't seem too put off by the team being bad. Fact is, Peavy is struggling. To say a GM would rather have Peavy is a no-brainer because he is younger. But I don't agree that EVERY GM would rather have Peavy if they knew for a fact that they were just dealing with one year. Many would rather have the experience that Mulder brings, even though Peavy is in his 5th season. Keep in mind he's never won more than 15 games.

Fact is, Peavy is struggling.

Not quite sure that I'd call it "struggling", but "not maximizing his potential" might be more accurate.


Peavy, YTD
25 IP
20 K
1 W
2 L
4.32 ERA
1.08 WHIP
7.20 K/9

Peavy's WHIP and K/9 are better than Mulder's even while he is "struggling". Not to mention that last year Peavy had nearly double the strikeouts that Mulder did (216 v. 111) and his ERA was nearly a full run lower (2.88 v. 3.64). WHIPs were 1.04 for Peavy, 1.38 for Mulder, so I'd like to meet some of those GMs that would take Mulder over Jake, I'd make sure that Dombrowski got their phone #'s.

Put Albert Pujols on the Padres, or Peavy on the Cards and we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Explain this Glenn, both teams are .500 when these guys AREN'T pitching.
Throw out numbers like walk, hits, strikeouts, whatever you want. I don't care if a guy strikes out the side or forces 3 groundouts. As long as he gets out of the inning it's fine. In fact, groundball pitchers are much less likely to have arm injuries. Do you think the Cubs and Braves were upset that Maddux didn't strike more people out? Obviously they're seeing with Wood and Prior what can happen to guys that try to throw too hard.
Like I said, if you're looking at guy to finish his career, you take Peavy because he is 4 years younger. Meanwhile Mulder has won 15 or more games every year except his 9-win rookie year, while Peavy has never passed 15 in a season. For one season, I take the winner.
If you're talking fantasy value, depending on the format, yes, Peavy can help you in more areas. I still like wins. Which means I take Mulder's 99 wins and 50 losses over Peavy's 47 wins and 33 losses.

Okay, now I look just plain foolish.

Peavy is struggling, advantage: Jethro34.

Yeah, he got knocked around a bit last night again.
However, I don't want people to think I'm bashing him by any means. I'm not saying that comparing Mulder to Peavy is like comparing Roger Clemens to Jose Lima (after all, Lima has won more than 15 games in a season! I kid)
Peavy, if he doesn't let this rocky start get to him mentally, is on pace to be a Hall of Fame pitcher - barring any major injuries. I think the same can be said for Mulder. If he pitches for 7 or 8 more years (which would only put him up to age 35-36, certainly realistic considerring the number of guys over that age in the league right now), he'll likely be able to reach around 230-240 wins. His other numbers will probably be decent, not spectacular, but he'll put together a solid career and he's at or near his prime RIGHT NOW, while Peavy is probably still a couple years away. Peavy may well end up with the better career of the two even, but for THIS YEAR, I take Mulder.

Peavy faces Bonds and the Giants tonight.

Bonds hit no. 700 off Peavy back in 2004, so I'm hoping that Jake learned a little something from that experience.

Peavy wins, Mulder loses and all is right with the world again.


2006 Stats

Mulder
IP 40.2
Wins 2
K 21
ERA 4.43
WHIP 1.25

Peavy
IP 39.1
Wins 2
K 28
ERA 4.58
WHIP 1.19

It's getting hot in here.

2006 Stats

Mulder
IP 46.2
Wins 3
K 22
ERA 4.44
WHIP 1.29

Peavy
IP 52.1
Wins 3
K 44
ERA 3.61
WHIP 1.13


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v63/GlennDanzig/peavy_av.jpg

And yet Mulder still leads in the voting. I seem to be the only one defending him, and that makes me look bad, but the votes are in his favor which should raise some eyebrows. Is there any way of seeing who else voted for him?

With vbulletin we have the ability to do just that (show who voted for what), but you can't activate that feature on an old poll, unfortunately.

I suppose one could say that popularity contests should be taken with a grain of salt in any case, I mean, more people voted for Bush too (in the last election at least).

Jake goes tonight vs. El Duque.

Mulder goes tomorrow against Steve Traschel.

Well Jake (3-4) blew it. Hopefully Mulder (4-1) doesn't follow suit.

Nice work Mulder. He pitched a gem. 8.1 innings and 4 hits for the 1-0 victory over the Mets.

Mulder:
5-1
61 IP
33 K
1.21 WHIP
3.69 ERA

Peavis:
3-4
57.1 IP
50 K
1.15 WHIP
3.77 ERA

I would take Kenny Rogers over either one of them so far this season, but I still take Mulder between these two, and right now the stats aren't exactly making me look stupid.

Both guys going tonight.

Poll now tied.

Both guys got screwed a bit. Their teams, while facing mediocre talent tonight, were facing absolute crap yesterday. I would have loved seeing Mulder dominate the Royals. I guess I'll have to live with watching the Tigers do it now, and he'll just have to dominate the Giants. (my luck, he'll have a Peavy-esque moment with Bonds serving up one of the most historic homers in the history of the game and it will jack him up Brad Lidge style and he'll never be the same)

Bonds hitting #715 off Mulder would make my night.

I hadn't thought about that, Jeth.

Both guys lose.

Peavy sets a Padres franchise record with 16 Ks.

The Padres suck balls.

Man, it was looking good for me when I stopped checking in on it last night. The Cardinals were up 1-0 and the Padres were down 2-0.

Peavy defeats Mulder in a rare head to head matchup.

Neither guy was impressive, in fact, both struggled.

But since we only care about wins here, advantage: Peavy.

You wouldn't expect 14 ER combined in 9.1 combined innings when these two meet. What an f'ed up weekend.

Uh oh.


Jun 1 Peavy's next start might get pushed back from Saturday to next Tuesday, so that he can rest his shoulder, the Padres' official site reports.

Recommendation: "There's a possibility [Peavy] might miss a start ... to calm down that tendinitis in his shoulder," manager Bruce Bochy said. Peavy said that his shoulder has been sore during his last four to five starts.

Mulder sure isn't doing us any favors against the White Sox today:


M. Mulder
2.1 IP, 10H, 9ER

We're not going to talk too much about that, though.

Jun 22 Mulder was placed on the 15-day disabled list Thursday with a shoulder strain. The left-hander is coming off a forgettable outing in which he gave up nine earned runs and 10 hits in 2 1-3 innings of a 20-6 loss to the Chicago White Sox on Tuesday.

Advice: Mulder has struggled mightily in his last six starts, going 1-4 with an 11.39 ERA. In 27 2-3 innings, he has given up 35 earned runs _ including 10 homers _ and an alarming 51 hits. For the season, he is 6-5 with a 6.09 ERA in 15 starts.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6393/news

In spite of being on the DL for the last month, Mulder still has 2 more wins on the season than Peavis.

Jul. 22
News: After Peavy was blown out on Friday night for the second straight outing, raising his season ERA to 5.15 and lowering his record to 4-10, Peavy and manager Bruce Bochy blamed his struggles on too many adjustments and too little confidence, but not on a current injury. "There's no doubt I'm not comfortable on the mound. I've never had a year when I had to work on mechanical issues in the 'pen," Peavy told the North County Times.


Peav has given up 41 earned runs in his last 52.2 innings with 1 win and 5 losses. I think you effectively administered a jinx on these two fine pitchers Glenn. Nice work.

Two threads are about to collide. I think Mark Mulder is going to face West Michigan in his 2nd rehab start. (I'm going to post this same thing in the other applicable thread as well - doing it in only two threads doesn't count as spam, so relax)

Ugh x 2

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2553161


Mulder tagged for five runs in third rehab start
Associated Press

OKLAHOMA CITY -- St. Louis Cardinals pitcher Mark Mulder gave up five runs in four innings Thursday in a rehab start for Triple-A Memphis to test whether he was ready to return to the major leagues.

The two-time All-Star walked five and yielded seven hits -- including a two-run homer by Joaquin Arias -- before leaving after the fourth inning. Only 50 of his 92 pitches were strikes, and he benefited from two runners being thrown out from the outfield.

"It was probably a little bit better than the last one when they were hitting a few balls but, you know, it's a rehab start," Mulder said. "I'm not concerned with that. I was concerned with throwing strikes. I had a handful of walks. I wasn't very happy with that, but there was a couple of them that were real questionable walks."

A shoulder injury has created problems with the left-hander's delivery, causing him to throw at three-quarters instead of over the top. After the third inning, Memphis pitching coach Dyar Miller sat on the bench next to Mulder, pulling his arm over his head and making a downward throwing motion.

"It's just a matter of me being consistent with my arm slot," Mulder said. "Part of the night it was. Part of the night it wasn't."

Miller said Mulder was hitting his arm slot about 50 percent of the time but was doing a better job of keeping his arm up.

"Each delivery is a little bit different. He's like going through spring training. I think maybe with a couple side sessions, he might be ready to go up there and pitch. We'll just have to see," Miller said.

"He's making improvements over his last start. He threw the ball better -- it was coming out of his hand better, anyway. He was missing down more," he said.

Mulder returned for the fourth and gave up a double to Adam Morrissey and a single to Arias, but Morrissey was cut down at the plate by left fielder Shawn Garrett's throw. Mulder ended his outing with his third strikeout, getting Jamie Burke swinging on a full count.


Four of Oklahoma's five runs were earned, and all of the RedHawks' hits were solid. Two other sharply hit balls were snagged by Memphis fielders -- a line drive to third by Eric Young in the first inning and a sinking liner that right fielder Brian Martin dove to catch in the second.

It was the third rehab start for Mulder since he went on the disabled list on June 21, a day after giving up nine runs in 2 1/3 innings against the White Sox, with an injury described as rotator cuff irritation and impingement in the left shoulder.

Mulder said he would fly to Chicago, where the Cardinals were to start a three-game set against the Cubs, on Friday. He said he didn't know whether a fourth rehab start would be necessary.

"I think he's pretty close," Miller said. "It's just muscle memory. I think he got in some bad habits the last year or so and it's just going to take a little while to change that muscle memory, and that's what he's going through now."

Mulder walked the first batter he faced on six pitches and got his first out Young's line drive. Adam Hyzdu lined a single to left, and Burke followed with a two-run double to the warning track in left center, the deepest part of the ballpark at 415 feet.

Young opened the third by walking on a full count, and Arias powered Mulder's 3-1 pitch into the bullpen in left center for his first home run since May 30. The RedHawks made it 5-1 when Aarom Baldiris lined an RBI single to center, but Mulder got out of the inning when Burke was caught in a rundown between third and home.

"I could care less about the results," Mulder said. "I just wanted to throw strikes. I wasn't happy with the fact that I walked those guys. A few pitches I left up over the plate that they hit hard, but it was because I had gone ball one, ball two, whatever it was, and I was behind in the count."

A healthy Mulder would be a key addition to the Cardinals, who extended their NL Central lead to 3½ games Thursday with a win against second-place Cincinnati.

The winningest pitcher in the majors from 2001-05, Mulder started the year 5-1 and had a 3.69 ERA after throwing 8 1/3 shutout innings against the New York Mets on May 17. But then the struggles started.

Over his next six starts, Mulder had an 11.39 ERA and lost four of his five decisions. He had a 6.09 ERA when he went on the DL.

In his first rehab start, he gave up two runs -- one earned -- in five innings Aug. 6 for Class A Quad Cities. His second rehab start wasn't as smooth. In four innings with Memphis, he gave up four runs on four hits.

Mulder said pain wasn't a problem for him Thursday.

"My biggest concern is getting my arm ready to go out there and be able to throw 90 to 100 pitches in a game," Mulder said. "I want to have the arm strength to be able to compete out there. My arm, as far as arm strength goes, is fine."

Mulder is a free agent at the end of the season.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=260817125


Padres ace Jake Peavy (6-12) set a career high with his 12th loss. The right-hander is having an uncharacteristically poor season after leading the majors with a 2.27 ERA in 2004 and the NL with 216 strikeouts last year. Peavy's only other double-digit loss season was 12-11 in 2003, his first full year in the big leagues.

"It's up to us to have short memories and forget this series," Peavy said.

''[Cardinals starter Mark] Mulder wouldn't even make my team,'' Guillen said. ''He couldn't start for us, and he's not better than [Neal] Cotts or [Matt] Thornton in our bullpen.

Also...

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap?gid=260822125&prov=ap


SAN DIEGO (AP) -- On most nights, scoring only one run for ace Jake Peavy would have meant a loss for the San Diego Padres.

But the Padres have been lights-out against Los Angeles this season, and a hard single by Mike Piazza supplied all the offense Peavy needed in a 1-0 win on Tuesday night that pulled San Diego within two games of the NL West-leading Dodgers.

"We came in here today and showed the first-place team that we're not scared and that we can play with anybody," said Peavy, who held Los Angeles to three hits in seven dominating innings.


The Padres have scored two or fewer runs in 12 of Peavy's 25 starts.

Peavy struck out seven and walking one.

I have officially lost this fight. While neither were anywhere close to meeting expectations, 100% of GM's would rather have Peavy right now.

Too bad Mulder couldn't stay healthy, or today's Cards-Padres game might have been Mulder v. Peavy.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2720716


Padres general manager Kevin Towers told The Associated Press he was told that Peavy was headed for a goodwill tour of the Dominican Republic with other major league players when he double-parked to drop off his bags and was told by airport police to move his car.
"The airport police told him he couldn't park his car there and he said, 'Write me up a ticket and I'll pay for it,'" Towers said. "He was arrested."

I was going to post the story when I first saw it to make fun of Peavy. Then I read it and realized it wasn't Peavy as much as it was overzealous rent-a-cops.

Apr 15 Peavy was dominant on Saturday night against the Dodgers. He pitched seven innings and allowed one run on three hits and two walks. Peavy struck out three.

Recommendation: In three starts this season, all against divisional foes, Peavy is 2-0 with a sparkling 0.90 ERA and 0.85 WHIP. His 12 strikeouts in 20 innings are a tad lower than expected, but it's hard to find much to criticize about Peavy's season thus far. If Peavy can stay healthy, the sky's the limit.



Mark Mulder
15-day DL as of Mar 23, 2007 (Recovery from left shoulder surgery)

Some things never change.

Peavy strikes out 16 last night, including an amazing 9 in a row, and yopu guessed it... gets a no decision.

Trevor Hoffman got smoked in the 9th to blow it fo rmy man Jake.

JP needs to get away from the Padres, if he were a Yankee, he'd be locking up multiple Cy's.

I still have no idea how this poll is tied. I could see 6-2 or even 5-3 but come on.

Everyone keep in mind that all this started like 85 years ago when I admitted that Peavy had the longterm potential but for that one season Mulder was the better option.

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In Before Glenn Realizes That Jethro Can Also Admire Babies That Talk

Dat Is How It Went I Wish

It's something about Todd Jones, I think.

Or it's shorthand for "Peavy owns Mulder".

In Before Glenn Reads the Jerry Crasnick Article and Bumps this thread.

Damn I Hate When I'm Wrong

You people didn't try nearly hard enough. That Crasnick article was ESPN.com front page for about 6 hours. I expected more from you, Glenn.

I was distracted by the "TJ" in there.

That's not the first time you've been distracted by TJ.

Too bad TJ can't fool any batters.

When is Peavy's contract up? Not saying he would come here, but holy shitzle would that make an unbelievable rotation.

I can't forsee us spending another dime on any more starting pitching. We still need a left handed bat, most likely at 1b, SS or 3b.

With Verlander and Bonderman making a boat load, we'll have Miller up here by next year too.

I'd sure like to see us sign another ace though.

We might be able to afford Mulder at least, lol.

We might be able to afford Mulder at least, lol.
All joking aside, I think it might be a nice move for the former Spartan. The chance to come home and resurrect your career for a contender. The guy is a potential ACE, but could certainly contribute as a 4th or 5th starter or even a bullpen guy. Maybe he would make a Smoltz move, who knows?
Either way, Having him replace Maroth, Robertson, Ledezma, Rodney, Grilli or Jones would be wonderful.

Closing for the Tigs................ MULDER!!!!!!!


That could be interesting.

After further review, no Mulder as closer. His first inning of action is not his best. He's at his best around 2nd and third inning and then again from the sixth on. It's first inning and 4th and 5th that seem to shake him up a bit. Plus, his K/9 ration is mediocre. It's been going down for a few years and it's hovering around 5 for his career. To look within our division, Joe Nathan had 12.51 K's per 9 innings last season. THAT's what a closer is made of.

FWIW, if we go after Lidge, another guy worth trying to get from Houston would be Chad Qualls. Not too old, fairly good career numbers, brings some heat, certainly better than half of our pen.

Jake Peavy is a golden god.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3112132

I think we can pretty much wrap this up now.

Talk to me tomorrow when Mark Mulder single handedly takes his team to the playoffs.

I'm still thinking my vote goes the other way.......


Let's be honest here fellas, Cy Young or not, Peavy is obviously no Mark Mulder!

Mark Mulder gets his first start in 10 months tonight on ESPN. As much as I would love him to pitch a perfect game and put all this Peavy nonsense to rest, I sadly have Jimmy Rollins, Chase Utley, and Shane Victorino on my fantasy team. I would like each of them to go 5 for 5, combining for 12 RBI, 13 runs, 7 HR, 5 SB and carrying the team while Pat Burrell strikes out 5 times and breaks his leg.

Good lord.


PHILADELPHIA -- Cardinals left-hander Mark Mulder left his comeback start against the Philadelphia Phillies with more pain in his shoulder after throwing only 16 pitches and recording one out in the first inning on Wednesday night.

Somebody lock this sumbitch.

I'm done with it.

Just saw the trade

yea dude hats funny but too the subject i like peavy over mulder he is still young and will probally get 15 or so wins but his ERA and K's will be great i pick him over Mulder almost every day.

You still laughing GreenFuture 57???!!!!

That's 5 7 to you, bro.

Peavy used to be my guy, but you don't get to play for the two teams I hate the most and still be my guy.

WE'RE THROUGH!!

I take this as a victory for me.

http://m.espn.go.com/mlb/story?storyId=10116437

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2756799-i-need-a-miracle-every-day-jake-peavy-picks-up-pieces-of-a-shattered-life

When that guy was at his best, I think he was the best pitcher that I've ever seen. Either him or Kevin Brown.