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Kstat 04-01-2006, 01:04 AM http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060331/UPDATE/603310452
Dumars elected to Basketball Hall of Fame
Official announcement will come Monday in Indianapolis
Detroit News staff /
The Detroit News has learned that Pistons president Joe Dumars has been elected to the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame. An official announcement will be made Monday in Indianapolis, prior to the NCAA men’s championship game.
Dumars’ first year of eligibility was 2005, but he didn’t receive enough votes for entry. A finalist needs 18 out of 24 votes from the Honors Committee to be elected. Dumars and the Class of 2006 will be inducted during festivities September 7-9 in Springfield, Mass.
Dumars, who spent his entire 14-year career with the Pistons, was a six-time All-Star guard and a member of Detroit’s championship teams in 1989 and 1990, earning Finals MVP honors in ’89. He was a first-round pick out of McNeese State in 1985, and is one of only eight players to play more than 1,000 games with his first NBA team. Dumars retired after the 1998-99 season as the Pistons’ all-time leader in games played (1,018) and three-pointers (990). He is second on the franchise’s career lists in scoring (16,401), assists (4,612) and steals (902).
robcat911 04-01-2006, 01:21 AM [smilie=applause.gi:
Very nice Joe....congrats.
Deserves every award he could ever get.
Darth Thanatos 04-01-2006, 01:26 AM WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
*takes off shirt*
Congrats to Joe, although I hope Nique gets in as well.
Kstat 04-01-2006, 01:29 AM Nique got in, according to ESPN.
Barkley is a mortal lock to get in also, so that's likely your 3 enshrinees for 2006, as far as former NBA players go.
Anthony 04-01-2006, 10:37 AM Congrats to Joe D. Well deserved.
Artis Gilmore 04-01-2006, 10:46 AM DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAA RRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSS
RegicideGreg 04-01-2006, 11:00 AM Great News
Congratulations JOE D [smilie=applause.gi: [smilie=2thumbsup.g:
This is a great day in Detroit Pistons History
Glenn 04-01-2006, 01:56 PM FYI
Latham actually broke this story, no joke.
Pharaoh 04-02-2006, 10:05 AM Joe should have made it last year.
Nique should have made it last year.
Fuck the HOF
Black Dynamite 04-02-2006, 11:14 AM FYI
Latham actually broke this story, no joke.
she also broke john hammonds back in bed for the info. [smilie=angel.gif]
Darth Thanatos 04-02-2006, 02:29 PM Joe should have made it last year.
Nique should have made it last year.
Fuck the HOF
Nique, sure. Joe D, naaaah.
There were some damn good college coaches that got in last year.
Joe D and Nique are in the basketball HOF period, and that's all that matters to me.
Glenn 04-03-2006, 09:11 AM Blakely Blog
Joe D. to the Hall
Joe Dumars being elected to the Hall of Fame is a bit of a surprise. It shows that the people who are voting on this stuff are actually looking for more than how many points and assists a player tallies in his career.
Dumars was solid on all those fronts, but what certainly put him over the top was the fact that he's a proven winner on and off the court.
He won two titles as a player, a third as a GM and if the playoffs go anything like the regular season, he'll have a fourth to add to the collection in June.
Seeing Dumars honored like this makes one wonder about some of the players Dumars has brought in, and what their chances of someday becoming Hall of Famers might be.
I look at a guy like Richard Hamilton who has been a scorer throughout his NBA career, and has won championships at the college and pro level. And yet, this kid isn't even in the conversation about MVP, or even a spot on one of the all-NBA teams.
But the bottom line is producing at a high level, and winning games. It's a formula that certainly worked for Dumars. And when you look at the players he has brought in, it's obvious that it's something he looks for in players.
You can praise him all you want for what he's done as a player, but the job he has done in the front office is, to me at least, more impressive.
How many GMs can lose their franchise player and get a pair of unproven talents in return (Ben Wallace and Chucky Atkins), and turn that into an NBA title three years later.
On some fronts, Joe has been extremely lucky. On others, he's just outsmarted folks. Getting Rasheed Wallace without losing a core guy was unbelievable. Picking up guys like Carlos Arroyo, Dale Davis (who would be starting for just about every other team in the Central division) and Tony Delk, were all subtle but very impressive moves.
Of course, Joe hasn't been perfect. Mateen Cleaves and Rodney White were draft busts, especially White when you consider one of the guys Detroit could have had was Richard Jefferson who has been a really good pro.
And we can't forget about Darko, whose putting up decent numbers on a really bad team.
Still, even when you factor those shortcomings into the equation, the bottom line remains the same.
Dumars has done an outstanding job, both on the court and in the front office. And if there were any doubts about it before, they can be put to rest now that he's going to take his place among the greatest contributors to the game of basketball.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/04/AR2006040401792.html
Michael Wilbon
22 Years Later, Barkley and Dumars Show They Are a Cut Above
INDIANAPOLIS The twist is rich and inescapable, a wound to their young egos 22 years ago, but a circle now closed. If Charles Barkley and Joe Dumars were going to be announced formally as new members of the Basketball Hall of Fame, it might as well be here in Indianapolis, where in 1984 they shared a van ride to the airport after being cut at the U.S. Olympic team basketball trials by Bob Knight, the iconic coach who would have you believe he knew everything there is to know about basketball.
Yet he couldn't see greatness in their futures.
Dumars remembers the van ride, from Indiana University to Indianapolis, as if it happened yesterday. Knight had waved goodbye to six of them: Dumars, Barkley, John Stockton, Karl Malone, Terry Porter and A.C. Green. Sitting together were Dumars and Stockton, a pair of guards who between them went on to appear in five NBA Finals. But all they were that day was rejected.
"I remember," Dumars said, "John Stockton and I looking at the talent in the van and saying, 'Wow!' Stockton said: 'Are you serious? I'd like to take the six guys right here and play whoever they keep on that team.' "
Of course, we know now that four of those six players will wind up in the Basketball Hall of Fame. Stockton and Malone, more recently retired, will be there very soon. Barkley and Dumars were announced as members here Monday as part of a 2006 Hall of Fame class that also includes high-flying Dominique Wilkins, University of Connecticut women's basketball coach Geno Auriemma, former U.S. Olympic coach and Big East Commissioner Dave Gavitt and former Italian national team coach Sandro Gamba.
Gavitt and Knight's Olympic assistant, George Raveling, listened in disbelief that day 22 years ago when Knight told them he planned to cut Barkley. A lot of players and coaches observing the trials in Bloomington, Ind., thought Barkley might be the second-best player there, behind only Michael Jordan.
Gavitt on Monday described a scene in which they watched from a tower above the floor at Assembly Hall on the Indiana University campus where the trials were held, as Barkley dunked over a much bigger player with such force it brought down the backboard. The impressed assistants told Knight that if Barkley had to be cut, he would have to be the one who delivered the news.
Gavitt cracks up when telling the story. Barkley remembers bringing down the backboard, though not the player he dunked on. And Barkley has said the bigger impact on his career was not being cut by Knight but discovering, to his own great surprise, that he belonged with the best players in the country, players such as Jordan and Patrick Ewing and Chris Mullin, who were much more celebrated during their NCAA days.
His selection to the Hall of Fame was a source of immense pride for the always irreverent Barkley. "I hope when my name is mentioned as a player, people will say, 'That man really loved doing his job,' " he said.
Barkley, very likely, is right there on a short list with Elgin Baylor and Patrick Ewing as the best players in NBA history to never win the league's championship. Barkley, at 6-foot-5 3/4 , did battle every night for 16 seasons with players five and six inches taller and was selected to 11 NBA all-star teams and two U.S. Olympic teams, including the one and only 1992 Dream Team.
Having written two books with him since his retirement, I long ago lost any sense of objectivity about Barkley, and find him irresistible as a subject and as a friend. But anyone who watched him over the years in Philadelphia, Phoenix and Houston knows there was nobody like him as a player. It's impossible to write the modern history of pro basketball and not deal with, at some length, the career of Charles Barkley.
"Every short, fat guy who plays, they'll say is like Barkley," he said. "That's not a bad legacy. There's always going to be short, fat guys."
Barkley has never visited the Hall of Fame in Springfield, Mass., even though he's been aching to go for years. "I have superstitions," he said. "I would never touch the NBA championship trophy. They try to get you to do things with it [for league promotions], but I wouldn't. And I wouldn't go the Hall of Fame until I got in."
Barkley was giddy about going in with Wilkins and Dumars, Eastern Conference playoff rivals for his first eight seasons in the NBA.
Long before he became the architect of the 2004 championship Pistons team as club president, Dumars played for the "Bad Boy" Pistons, who were despised by their peers in the late 1980s. Dumars, however, was not only respected but liked immensely. Asked now what he thought of the antics of teammates Bill Laimbeer, Rick Mahorn, John Salley and, of course, Dennis Rodman, Dumars said, "I was amused more than anything else."
When somebody who didn't really know Dumars asked how he could get along so well with such a cast, a perplexed look crossed his face and he said, "Easy . . . they were my teammates." Of course, that's the only answer that would cross Dumars's mind.
While Barkley was forever at the center of controversy, Dumars never was. Fathers all over Michigan wanted their daughters to bring home a boy like Joe Dumars.
"I grew up in a household that preached humility and downplayed boastful behavior," he said. "My folks were old, Southern Baptist people who did not believe in that." He said he found his election to the Hall "a great validation because I wasn't going to campaign for it. I refuse to be something else than I am to get recognized."
The high-scoring Wilkins, who never reached the NBA Finals, was recognized for being the most acrobatic player of his era, with the exception of Jordan. Barkley has maintained that Wilkins, a nine-time all-star, was the most underrated player of his generation and should have been named to the 1992 U.S. Olympic team instead of Christian Laettner, which is such a logical position to take that it's a shame nobody listened to Barkley at the time the team was selected.
There was probably only one shame in Gavitt's career: that he never got to actually coach the 1980 U.S. Olympic team in competition in Moscow. The opportunity was lost because the United States boycotted the Games to protest the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan.
At one point in the late 1970s Gavitt was, simultaneously, U.S. Olympic coach, head coach and athletic director at Providence College and the commissioner of the newly formed Big East. While the Big East was dependent on the day-to-day work and success of coaches John Thompson, Lou Carnesecca, Jim Boeheim and Rollie Massimino, it was Gavitt's vision, and organizational and marketing genius that led the conference to national prominence in a stunningly short time. At another point, he was CEO of the Boston Celtics while also president of USA Basketball. It's impossible to imagine that there was a greater contributor to basketball than Gavitt over the last 25 years of the 20th century.
Of the great disappointment he encountered because of the boycott of the Moscow Games, Gavitt said: "It didn't sink in until later. At the time President Carter announced we were not going to play because of Afghanistan, you were disappointed. But I remember saying, 'I am an American citizen first and the U.S. basketball coach second.' "
But over time, when the decision not to go to Moscow had failed to alter Soviet behavior, it hit Gavitt that a wonderful opportunity had been lost. "I would like to have finished that task," he said. "It wouldn't have been easy to win in Moscow, but I think we would have."
It's quite the group, Barkley and Dumars and Wilkins going into the Hall with Gavitt, along with Gamba, who led Italy to the silver medal in 1980 and coached the Italian Olympic team four times, and Auriemma, whose Connecticut team has produced five national championships and two undefeated seasons.
"It gave us all the chance to call up the people who helped us get to this point and thank every one of them," Barkley said, " 'cause even though there were some setbacks along the way, it's turned out pretty well for every one of us, hasn't it?
ThePriestTouchedMe 04-09-2006, 06:50 PM Joe should have made it last year.
Nique should have made it last year.
Fuck the HOF
Was Joe eligible last year?
What grates me is that they put all these no name women and international players/coaches ahead of more deserving NBA guys.
How is it that Artis Gilmore, Bernard King and Adrian Dantley are still not in the HoF?
Kstat 04-09-2006, 06:55 PM well a player is eligible after 5 years, so Joe was elegible starting 2004.
It'll be interesting to see if any of these guys get snubbed on their 1st try:
2007-Ewing, Olajuwon, Rodman
2008-Jordan, Stockton, Robinson
2009-Pippen, Malone
H1Man 04-09-2006, 10:43 PM well a player is eligible after 5 years, so Joe was elegible starting 2004.
It'll be interesting to see if any of these guys get snubbed on their 1st try:
2007-Ewing, Olajuwon, Rodman
2008-Jordan, Stockton, Robinson
2009-Pippen, Malone
Why would any of them be snubbed?
Is there a limit on how many guys that are elected in one year or something like that?
Kstat 04-09-2006, 11:04 PM well a player is eligible after 5 years, so Joe was elegible starting 2004.
It'll be interesting to see if any of these guys get snubbed on their 1st try:
2007-Ewing, Olajuwon, Rodman
2008-Jordan, Stockton, Robinson
2009-Pippen, Malone
Why would any of them be snubbed?
Is there a limit on how many guys that are elected in one year or something like that?
If they can make Nique wait, they can do it to almost anybody.
Glenn 04-10-2006, 12:15 PM Is there a limit on how many guys that are elected in one year or something like that?
I think they induct a minimum of 3 people per year, not sure if there is a maximum.
Hermy 04-10-2006, 12:16 PM Is there a limit on how many guys that are elected in one year or something like that?
I think they induct a minimum of 3 people per year, not sure if there is a maximum.
I think its a max of 3 players, no max to number of people.
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