Our one chance to get a good practice in before Dallas, and this guy fucks it all up....

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060327/SPORTS0102/603270347/1127


The Pistons' practice routine will be disrupted today, thanks to a civil suit initiated by John Green , the man who ignited the brawl at The Palace on Nov. 19, 2004 by throwing a cup at Indiana's Ron Artest .

All five Pistons starters were supposedly subpoenaed by Green's lawyers and were scheduled to appear in court today. However, it is likely that all five won't have to go.

The Pistons were hoping to send two players. Either way, the Pistons couldn't set practice time until the details were worked out.

attention whores know no limit. jon greene is an alcoholic nobody. it figures that he'd push for more bs to get his name in a newspaper.

Why the fuck would he subpoena the Pistons players? That makes absolutely no sense. It only involves him and Artest. The Pistons were stand-by's just like any other person at the Palace that night. Is he going to subpoena all of them.

The man started a brawl that potentially ruined our season last year. If I were one of those Pistons I'd punch him in the mouth. But we probably can't do that anymore because another suit would be opened up.

We have one of our biggest games of the year tomarrow and this bitch randomly subpoenas the 5 Pistons starters. Why does it have to be just the starters? Why not Derrick Coleman and Elden Campbell? Or any other Piston on that bench.

his lawyer's obviously trying to create a buzz with the big names. i heard bernie smilovitz was called upon as well. which is funny considering he admitted he was no where near the incident.

This makes perfect sense to me. Greene knows this is the last time he's going to see any of the Pistons in person.

According to WDFN, Greene was found guilty of punching Artest today, but NOT guilty of throwing the cup.

WTF?

makes sense. we all know Cowology threw the cup. *triggering a photoshop cowhead moment*

According to WDFN, Greene was found guilty of punching Artest today, but NOT guilty of throwing the cup.

WTF?


I think they said throwing a plastic cup with a little bit of ice in it at a man's chest is not assault, and it shouldn't be. Honestly if throwing plastic containers is a crime then I need to sue mobb deep for throwing a water bottle in the crowd when I saw them live.



attention whores know no limit. jon greene is an alcoholic nobody. it figures that he'd push for more bs to get his name in a newspaper.

I still think it's bullshit his alcoholism is even brought up. the guy was drinking a pop and even if it was alcohol it doesn't fucking matter. I don't have a problem with John Greene, dudes an ex-marine who escaped from lock-up in his past and that's just fucking dope as hell. He threw a cup as a joke and then threw two punches at a guy twice his size who was roughing up a guy a fourth his size. The truth is Ron Artest needed to get punched that night and i'm glad somebody did it. In actuality I wish all the other people around him followed suit and stomped the shit out of him so David Stern wouldn't have to hand out those suspensions for the pacers to whine about. We could've made the statement our damn selves, 'stay the fuck out of the stands you dumbass'. When I see Ron artest getting interviewed on Fox Sports laughing about how 50 cent liked his album and his street cred is good right now it's clear that he should've left the crowd on a stretcher because he didn't learn shit. Next time somebody starts shit to get publicity and look hard for their album debut... stomp the shit out of them and fuck up their street cred. It's the only logical solution.




The man started a brawl that potentially ruined our season last year. If I were one of those Pistons I'd punch him in the mouth. But we probably can't do that anymore because another suit would be opened up.

Potentially ruined the season? please! If anything they should shake his hand for exposing Ron for the steam-headed bitch he is before his pussy ass succeeded in one of his efforts to hurt one of them.




We have one of our biggest games of the year tomarrow and this bitch randomly subpoenas the 5 Pistons starters. Why does it have to be just the starters? Why not Derrick Coleman and Elden Campbell? Or any other Piston on that bench.

I agree. Rasheed had the best view of the incident, but there's definitely no need to get all 5 starters. I think it's a deliberate attempt to hurt the pistons organization and I can't say I blame him. With the public statements and character assassination of this dude through the media he should be pissed at them. They made this dude sound like the devil himself just to keep the league happy, protect ron artest and cover-up the shotty security. Think about that, they went to the media with his criminal record and called him a drunk so many times that he probably won't get a job for years. You'd be doing anything you could to say 'fuck you' too.

When I said "season" I was referring to the regular season. It at least ruined the first half of the season.

When I said "season" I was referring to the regular season. It at least ruined the first half of the season.

The biggest suspension given to the pistons was the few games Ben got (which was overkill by Stern anyways). Clearly not enough to mess up a season, or half a season even.

If you want to say that he messed up the morale, fine. That's a brain dead thought to want to blame him for that instead of the league officials and the media though.

It provided a distraction. Whatever city they'd go to on the road people would ask them about it. When ever ESPN would carry a home Pistons game they would talk about the brawl. Did it hurt morale? I have no idea, maybe.

But none of this happens if Greene didn't throw that cup.

Should there be criminal implications against him? I really don't know the law well enough to answer this, but my common sense would say yes.

If you are at a bar and two guys got into a little fight and they were separated and everything was quelled, would you then decide to pick up a drink and throw it at one of the guys in that fight? Now let's say you have hundreds of women and children around you. And let's add in there that the guy you through the drink it is clinically insane and you knew it. He made a horrible decision regardless if he was doing it as a joke or not and he should face punishment for it. Not because he hit Artest, I don't really give a shit about that, but he put everyone around him in danger.

Now let's say you have hundreds of women and children around you. And let's add in there that the guy you through the drink it is clinically insane and you knew it. He made a horrible decision regardless if he was doing it as a joke or not and he should face punishment for it.


THAT'S FUCKING STUPID!!!

If i put you in a room with a bunch of kids and John Wayne Gacy should you be held responsible for doing some dumb ass thing that pisses him off? OR should I be held responsible for putting JOHN WAYNE GACY in a room with a bunch of CHILDREN? By your own logic the NBA would be completely responsible for not getting rid of Ron's dumbass before this shit started because he's unable to function like a civilized human being in society.

Blaming Greene for the brawl is like blaming the people who make boxcutters for 9/11. You can't say 'oh they knew they were crazy' and then somehow think that makes anyone responsible for anyone elses actions. If you think otherwise, you're a fucking fool. If it's like that i could shoot a little girl and say 'oh I was trying to shoot SKelly, he put a pie in my face and he knows i'm a lunatic with a gun.' would you want to catch a case for that?

Blaming Greene for the media's coverage is even dumber. The media hyped this shit up like crazy for no good reason. No one was hurt, and it isn't the first time an athlete attacked a fan either. It isn't the first time a brawl broke out in a sporting event. Nothing new happened here, but the media acted as if it was the biggest thing to talk about since terrorism.

Wait koolaid is this a friend of yours? If not i think the alky part makes sense as far as i saw. Either he's an alky or a retard based on his akward movement, and his own claim that he couldnt remember what happened completely. Yea he's being treated soooo unfair.*lol*

Either way attention whore, and ex marine means nothing. it doesnt give you a license to be stupid.


Blaming Greene for the brawl is like blaming the people who make boxcutters for 9/11.
how so, did he make the alcohol? he intiatied the activity by throwing a drink. i dont see the boxcutter maker comparisom. pretty big stretch.

how so, did he make the alcohol? he intiatied the activity by throwing a drink. i dont see the boxcutter maker comparisom. pretty big stretch.


First of all fights are hard to remember. When you're adrenaline is pumping like that, it's like parts of your brain just don't work. I've heard UFC fighters say that can't remember their fights either. would you think they were drunk? I don't see how anyone can sit there and tell me he's filthy drunk when he obviously was drinking pop, and obviously could stand up and throw pretty damn good. When you blackout from drinking, you can't do the things he did that night. When you're that drunk you can't even stand up.

Ron Artest looked more wasted than anyone else out there oddly enough. His eyes were dilated somehow, explain that shit! Dude threw a cup with better accuracy and range than anyone even shot a basketball that night, but HE'S wasted to you!? fucking stupid, stop being a sheep.


as for the boxcutters... throwing a drink doesn't incite a riot, it incites laughter and embarrasses one guy. Just like a boxcutter wasn't made to highjack a plane, it's meant to cut cardboard and stuff. A boxcutter was used as the primary tool for 9/11 though. Had the terrorists not had boxcutters they wouldn't have been able to highjack the plane. Just like if John Greene didn't throw the cup Ron has no reason to go in the stands. Throwing a cup and making a boxcutter aren't malicious, violent acts though. So by blaming either one of those for the results of what dumbass looney tunes did is fucking retarded.

Say I'm with a thousand people and you get in a shoving match with somebody. When you're cooling off, I cool you off some more and throw a sprite at you. Do you try to box a thousand people right there? if you're dumb enough to do that, is it my fault for throwing something at you?


and hell no, i don't know John Greene. I just know when someone is being villified. The NBA wants it to be all his fault, because they don't want to shoulder any of the blame themselves. So they put out their press releases and watch as knuckleheaded fans eat it up.

how so, did he make the alcohol? he intiatied the activity by throwing a drink. i dont see the boxcutter maker comparisom. pretty big stretch.


First of all fights are hard to remember. When you're adrenaline is pumping like that, it's like parts of your brain just don't work. I've heard UFC fighters say that can't remember their fights either. would you think they were drunk? I don't see how anyone can sit there and tell me he's filthy drunk when he obviously was drinking pop, and obviously could stand up and throw pretty damn good. When you blackout from drinking, you can't do the things he did that night. When you're that drunk you can't even stand up.

Ron Artest looked more wasted than anyone else out there oddly enough. His eyes were dilated somehow, explain that shit! Dude threw a cup with better accuracy and range than anyone even shot a basketball that night, but HE'S wasted to you!? fucking stupid, stop being a sheep.


as for the boxcutters... throwing a drink doesn't incite a riot, it incites laughter and embarrasses one guy. Just like a boxcutter wasn't made to highjack a plane, it's meant to cut cardboard and stuff. A boxcutter was used as the primary tool for 9/11 though. Had the terrorists not had boxcutters they wouldn't have been able to highjack the plane. Just like if John Greene didn't throw the cup Ron has no reason to go in the stands. Throwing a cup and making a boxcutter aren't malicious, violent acts though. So by blaming either one of those for the results of what dumbass looney tunes did is fucking retarded.

Say I'm with a thousand people and you get in a shoving match with somebody. When you're cooling off, I cool you off some more and throw a sprite at you. Do you try to box a thousand people right there? if you're dumb enough to do that, is it my fault for throwing something at you?


and hell no, i don't know John Greene. I just know when someone is being villified. The NBA wants it to be all his fault, because they don't want to shoulder any of the blame themselves. So they put out their press releases and watch as knuckleheaded fans eat it up.

There is no way that he was that wasted with a throw like that. It was a direct hit. Thats a great shot for a completely sober person, let alone one thats hammered.

how so, did he make the alcohol? he intiatied the activity by throwing a drink. i dont see the boxcutter maker comparisom. pretty big stretch.


First of all fights are hard to remember. When you're adrenaline is pumping like that, it's like parts of your brain just don't work. I've heard UFC fighters say that can't remember their fights either. would you think they were drunk? I don't see how anyone can sit there and tell me he's filthy drunk when he obviously was drinking pop, and obviously could stand up and throw pretty damn good. When you blackout from drinking, you can't do the things he did that night. When you're that drunk you can't even stand up.

Ron Artest looked more wasted than anyone else out there oddly enough. His eyes were dilated somehow, explain that shit! Dude threw a cup with better accuracy and range than anyone even shot a basketball that night, but HE'S wasted to you!? fucking stupid, stop being a sheep.


as for the boxcutters... throwing a drink doesn't incite a riot, it incites laughter and embarrasses one guy. Just like a boxcutter wasn't made to highjack a plane, it's meant to cut cardboard and stuff. A boxcutter was used as the primary tool for 9/11 though. Had the terrorists not had boxcutters they wouldn't have been able to highjack the plane. Just like if John Greene didn't throw the cup Ron has no reason to go in the stands. Throwing a cup and making a boxcutter aren't malicious, violent acts though. So by blaming either one of those for the results of what dumbass looney tunes did is fucking retarded.

Say I'm with a thousand people and you get in a shoving match with somebody. When you're cooling off, I cool you off some more and throw a sprite at you. Do you try to box a thousand people right there? if you're dumb enough to do that, is it my fault for throwing something at you?


and hell no, i don't know John Greene. I just know when someone is being villified. The NBA wants it to be all his fault, because they don't want to shoulder any of the blame themselves. So they put out their press releases and watch as knuckleheaded fans eat it up.

ummm ok, the boxcutter thing still seems stretchy. And remembering a fight where you got one sucker punch in and you got punched one time is pretty easy. Inever heard the adreneline excuse, except when the cops asked. Then of course you lie as if adrenaline can distort your memory of the obvious.

Is it all john greene's fault?? nope. no one here ever really said that much. But he's a complete dumbass either way. And he looked more like a dumbass in his post fight attention whore interviews than the actual scuffle honestly. All thats being said is that he is an idiot, attention whore with no life, and that him throwing the cup is his fault. if he gets convicted for any of his offenses(which are pretty minor anyways), doesnt mean that they are saying its all his fault. that trial is for what he did on his end. nothing more nothing less. and calling the players in to testify was a "stretch my 5 minutes of fame" move that no one even gave a fuck about at this point. I'm sure he's pretty dissappointed to not see a barrage of reporters on his front lawn anymore looking like they give a shit what he has to say..

There is no way that he was that wasted with a throw like that. It was a direct hit. Thats a great shot for a completely sober person, let alone one thats hammered.
lol.... [smilie=applause.gi:

Now let's say you have hundreds of women and children around you. And let's add in there that the guy you through the drink it is clinically insane and you knew it. He made a horrible decision regardless if he was doing it as a joke or not and he should face punishment for it.

THAT'S FUCKING STUPID!!!

If i put you in a room with a bunch of kids and John Wayne Gacy should you be held responsible for doing some dumb ass thing that pisses him off? OR should I be held responsible for putting JOHN WAYNE GACY in a room with a bunch of CHILDREN? By your own logic the NBA would be completely responsible for not getting rid of Ron's dumbass before this shit started because he's unable to function like a civilized human being in society.

Not stupid at all. It would be more like I was in this room with the kids, and John Wayne Gacy was locked in a closet next to the room, then I decided to kick the door open. And Artest is insane, but not in the same universe as John Wayne Gacy. Artest wouldn't have thought about entering the stands until Greene threw that cup.


Blaming Greene for the brawl is like blaming the people who make boxcutters for 9/11. You can't say 'oh they knew they were crazy' and then somehow think that makes anyone responsible for anyone elses actions. If you think otherwise, you're a fucking fool. If it's like that i could shoot a little girl and say 'oh I was trying to shoot SKelly, he put a pie in my face and he knows i'm a lunatic with a gun.' would you want to catch a case for that?
Please. This brawl would not have happened if John Greene didn't throw that cup. Let me repeat myself, the brawl wouldn't have happened if John Greene didn't throw that cup. 9/11 would happen even if boxcutters weren't around, they'd just find a different weapon.

The Artest being crazy is just icing on the cake. It's more to do with putting everyone in that section in danger.


Blaming Greene for the media's coverage is even dumber. The media hyped this shit up like crazy for no good reason. No one was hurt, and it isn't the first time an athlete attacked a fan either. It isn't the first time a brawl broke out in a sporting event. Nothing new happened here, but the media acted as if it was the biggest thing to talk about since terrorism.
I'll give you this point. But I wasn't blaming him for the media's coverage. The media's coverage was horrid. I was just proving that this brawl that was started by Greene was a distraction to the team through the first half of the season.

I'll give you this point. But I wasn't blaming him for the media's coverage. The media's coverage was horrid. I was just proving that this brawl that was started by Greene was a distraction to the team through the first half of the season.
i dont agree with this. i say that he gets an even spread of blame with all parties involved in the start. but not just him.

I'll give you this point. But I wasn't blaming him for the media's coverage. The media's coverage was horrid. I was just proving that this brawl that was started by Greene was a distraction to the team through the first half of the season.
i dont agree with this. i say that he gets an even spread of blame with all parties involved in the start. but not just him.
I don't blame him for the actions of Artest, O'Neal, or Jackson; or the chair thrower or that fan who threw a coin at Iverson months later.

He did start the brawl though with one incredibly stupid decision.

I'll give you this point. But I wasn't blaming him for the media's coverage. The media's coverage was horrid. I was just proving that this brawl that was started by Greene was a distraction to the team through the first half of the season.
i dont agree with this. i say that he gets an even spread of blame with all parties involved in the start. but not just him.
I don't blame him for the actions of Artest, O'Neal, or Jackson; or the chair thrower or that fan who threw a coin at Iverson months later.

He did start the brawl though with one incredibly stupid decision.
yea he ignited it. but as long as you dont put all the blame on him. you never put all the blame one the first idiot. it goes to all the idiots in the equation.

Not stupid at all. It would be more like I was in this room with the kids, and John Wayne Gacy was locked in a closet next to the room, then I decided to kick the door open. And Artest is insane, but not in the same universe as John Wayne Gacy. Artest wouldn't have thought about entering the stands until Greene threw that cup.


listen, IT'S STUPID. you cannot blame someone else for not walking on eggshells because someone isn't right in the head. i'm having deja vu, I think i've already gone over this with your ass before.

look... i'm a psycho and you're having an "argument" on the internet right now. If i shot a bullet through your window and killed your neighbor in effort to kill you, are you responsible? Should their family be mad at you and sue you? I mean you know i'm a fucking psycho cuz you read my posts, but you still got in this conversation with me right? I would've never starting shooting a gun had i not read your posts.




9/11 would happen even if boxcutters weren't around, they'd just find a different weapon.

And Ron Artest would have got himself into some serious shit with out some stupid little fucking cup too because the bottomline is that a thrown drink doesn't equate to assaulting random fans to a guy not trying to look crazy. If this drink was never thrown, Ron was still a ticking timebomb trying to get his publicity.



this brawl that was started by Greene

Oh, now he started the brawl? By throwing a cup? BITCH PLEASE!!!

throwing a drink = brawl???

FUCK NO!!!

Players rushing the stands = brawl???

FUCK YES!!!


Have some common sense with your stupid ass. All that you're proving is that you can't think.

Koolaid, just answer this question: If John Greene did not throw that cup, would the brawl have happened?

Oh, now he started the brawl? By throwing a cup? BITCH PLEASE!!!

throwing a drink = brawl???

FUCK NO!!!

Players rushing the stands = brawl???

FUCK YES!!!

Ummm Koolaid you do understand that these are connected? Yet you seem bent on giving one more credit than the other. One idiot move doesnt make the previous idiot anymore less of one. They are both at fault. Defending John greene is silly. Nobody throws all the blame on him. But he's not exempt either.

Imma break down the brawl again. in case y'all forgot, because i've realized something..


Ben wallace went for a lay-up.
Ron elbowed Ben in the back of the head.
Ben shoved ron.
Ron acted surprised.
Ron layed down on the scorer's table.
Ben threw a headband at ron.
Ron acted like he was going to get up.
Greene threw a drink.
Ron charged the stands.
Ron slammed some skinny dude's head into a seat.
and blah blah.


What was the first thing that ignited the brawl? THE LAY-UP. no lay-up, no elbow, no shove, no headband, no drink, NO BRAWL! Ben should've known ron was going to hit him, he knew he was a dumbass. He should be held responsible for Ron's actions, not John Greene. I mean we could try to hold artest responsible but that doesn't seem to be very popular, so fuck it.

Actually, I'm blaming artest's dad for not wearing a condom. He could've prevented this.

Koolaid, just answer this question: If John Greene did not throw that cup, would the brawl have happened?

yes.

Maybe not right there, but eventually Ron would've "snapped". He didn't go in the stands because someone threw a cup, he wanted to get street cred and publicity.

Nobody throws all the blame on him.

are you reading SKelly's posts?

Nobody throws all the blame on him.

are you reading SKelly's posts?
no. skelly doesnt count as a person. Sorry Stu. [smilie=angel.gif]

Nobody throws all the blame on him.

are you reading SKelly's posts?
no. skelly doesnt count as a person. Sorry Stu. [smilie=angel.gif]


ohhh..... somebody got fucked up!

Imma break down the brawl again. in case y'all forgot, because i've realized something..


Ben wallace went for a lay-up.
Ron elbowed Ben in the back of the head.
Ben shoved ron.
Ron acted surprised.
Ron layed down on the scorer's table.
Ben threw a headband at ron.
Ron acted like he was going to get up.
Greene threw a drink.
Ron charged the stands.
Ron slammed some skinny dude's head into a seat.
and blah blah.

This isn't part of the brawl, that's just basketball. The brawl starts where "Greene threw a drink."

And you honestly think that Artest would still have entered the stands regardless of Greene threw the cup or not? WOW!

And as I said earlier, I don't blame the actions of Pacer players and the actions of certain fans on Greene, they've got their own damn issues. I'm just pointing out that Greene's horrible decision to throw his cup at Artest is what triggered Ron to enter into the stands. In doing so he put a lot of people in danger. Is Ron more to blame? Of course he is. Luckily for my boy Johnny no one was seriously injured, though a few haymakers from Pacer players landed on our fans, and Fred Jones got pounded by Ben's bro. But remember, none of this happens if Greene didn't throw that cup. I don't know what the hell he was thinking there.

This isn't part of the brawl, that's just basketball. The brawl starts where "Greene threw a drink."



and throwing a drink is a prank, not a brawl.


Luckily for my boy Johnny no one was seriously injured, though a few haymakers from Pacer players landed on our fans, and Fred Jones got pounded by Ben's bro.

Lucky for Johnny??? Yeah, because if ron artest, stephen jackson, ben's brother or who ever injured someone, clearly he's responsible.



I give up.

You keep saying the same shit, but it's still stupid. It wasn't a brawl until ron charged the stands, but your dumbass thinks it starts when a drink hits ron. Go get your dad to read my posts, he'll understand and then your stupid self will follow suit. That seems to be the only way to get to you.

I agree with Koolaid who by the way reached out to me via AIM and we're cool now.

Some dumb ass was feeding him lies about me. Strange.

But that's not why I agree with him. I agree with him because he's right about JG and RA.

Have some pie.

You keep saying the same shit, but it's still stupid. It wasn't a brawl until ron charged the stands, but your dumbass thinks it starts when a drink hits ron. Go get your dad to read my posts, he'll understand and then your stupid self will follow suit. That seems to be the only way to get to you.

And why did Ron Artest charge the stands? Because of John Greene.

I'm not condoning the actions of any Pacer player, but Greene put everyone in that section in danger. If you disagree with that, watch the film.

And why did Ron Artest charge the stands? Because of John Greene.



and that's such an irrational, illogical decision that it holds no ground. dumbass.

You keep saying the same shit, but it's still stupid. It wasn't a brawl until ron charged the stands, but your dumbass thinks it starts when a drink hits ron. Go get your dad to read my posts, he'll understand and then your stupid self will follow suit. That seems to be the only way to get to you.

And why did Ron Artest charge the stands? Because of John Greene.

I'm not condoning the actions of any Pacer player, but Greene put everyone in that section in danger. If you disagree with that, watch the film.

You can trace it back to whoever you want but anyone who thinks that Greene started the Brawl and not Artest is a damn fool.