I floated the idea of trading Mo this coming off-season in the Miami game chat and mentioned it in the OGT. It's been mentioned by others since so how about a legit discussion?

Removing Flips' love child from the rotation obviously frees up playing time for Carlos Delfino. I seriously think Delfino deserves those minutes and as long as Mo is around Fino is going to get shafted.

But removing Evans doesn't only benefit Delfino (and the team lol) it benefits several (all?) of our young players.

Amir Johnson's future is apparently at SF. He obviously needs playing time to adjust to the NBA and put into action all the shit he's being taught in practice. With Mo gone he gets his chance.

Dumars has stated he loves Alex Acker and thinks he can handle some PG and some SG. By removing Evans from the rotation you open up the possibility of Delfino at SF, therefore opening up time at SG for Acker.

Even Jason Maxiell could benefit from trading Evans. I know everyone says he's a PF and will never play SF. I don't believe it. With Dice around Maxiell is only gonna get garbage minutes. Doesn't he deserve more than that? Surely he could play SOME minutes at SF in a certain line-up against certain opponents?

So, after seeing the benefits of trading Mo I thought I'd crunch the numbers and see who matched up.

Mo will make $1,500,000 next season. In a trade we can take back as much as $1,875,000 or as little as $1,125,000.

Based on Hoopshype's salaries for next season here's a list of guys that fall into that price range:

Tony Allen (Boston)

Joey Graham (Toronto)

Scott Padgett or Antoine Wright or Zoran Planinic (New Jersey)

Pavel Podkolzin (Dallas)

Hakim Warrick (Memphis)

J.R Smith or Kirk Snyder (New Orleans)

Luther Head (Houston)

Julius Hodge or Greg Buckner* (Denver)

Rashad McCants (Minnesota)

Travis Outlaw or Jarrett Jack or Steve Blake or Sebastian Telfair or Viktor Khryapa (Portland)

Nate Robinson (New York)

John Edwards (Atlanta)

Matt Carroll or Sean May (Charlotte)

Michael Ruffin (Washington)

Kris Humphries or Keith McLeod+ (Utah)

Yaraslav Korolev (LA Clippers)

Brian Cook or Luke Walton (LA Lakers)

Kevin Martin or Francisco Garcia or Jason Hart* (Sacramento)

* = player option for next season
+ = team option for next season

Obviously not all of these guys are gonna be available straight up for Evans but it's a start.

Thoughts?

Joey Graham (Toronto)
Hakim Warrick (Memphis)
Jarrett Jack(Portland)
Francisco Garcia(Sacramento)

Thoughts?

Those are the ones that interest me.

Obviously Graham would need the inclusion of more picks. Say Evans and a top 10 protected Orlando pick for him?

Warrick, not sure how he's doing in Memphis, but I love athletes like him, and would like to have a more post oriented SF.

Jack- solid backup PG, who is young, why not.

Garcia, complete player, feeds back into the original problem though. His ball handling abilities would be good.

I would take almost all of them. Unfortunately, I doubt the other teams would without throwing in more stuff.

Korolev would be a sleeper. He has the bust "feel" to him right now but, living in LA, I have seen him do some pretty impressive things out there. He's like an AK47/Boris Diaw type. Great playmaking/all-around skills at SF. And he's not the typical "shooter" Euro. He loves to drive it to the rack. Plus, he's not really ready right now, so Delfino could get all of the playing time, and he could spend some time in the D-League. Of course, this all depends on whether Amir is going to be a Small Forward or a Power Forward. If he's a SF, then it might not be worth it.

Maybe we can use him to move our '07 pick up a bit? That's a very deep draft. It would be nice to have 2 mid 1st rounders.

BTW, keep in mind if we traded Mo after Draft Day we could include our 2007 pick.

We also have Minny's second rounder to throw into a package as well.

The Orlando pick? No way would I give that up for any of the guys I mentioned.

Keep in mind dealing Mo is all about opening time for Carlos.

Getting some quality player in return (especially a SG) isn't gonna get Delfino on the floor.

I wouldn't mind JR Smith, considering NO aren't using him and Coach Scott looks to be getting an extension.

Here are 2 candidates we should be able to get with ease, possibly getting a pick in return as well:

John Edwards (Atlanta)

Kris Humphries (Utah)

I seriously doubt Utah would say no to Evans + the Minny second round pick for Humphries and ONE of their 2006 second rounders.

Currently the Jazz own 3 seconds:

42 via Chicago
43
46 via Sacramento

I doubt they want all of them, especially in this Draft.

Assume they send us #46.

According to Draft Express these guys could be available:

Kosta Perovic, Pops Mensah-Bonsu, J.P. Batista, Marco Killingsworth, Eric Hicks, Eric Williams, Craig Smith, Bobby Jones, Denham Brown, Curtis Stinson, Allen Ray, Gerry McNamara.

A lot of variety in that group and surely a couple of decent prospects.

To me, if you trade Mo for anything other than cash or a pick, you're running into the same problem.

The Pistons have too many bodies and not enough minutes.

On top of it, they have too many guards, too many forwards, and too many big men, so its not like they have an area of strength and an area of weakness. In other words, it doesn't matter whether we trade Mo for a guard, sf, or big man. Whoever we trade for will either not get minutes, or will take minutes away from Delfino and/or Maxiell and/or Amir and/or Acker.

Unless you want to trade for someone that will be inactive all year. And if that's the case, then who cares what the guy's name is?

I think if you aren't getting a PG or C prospect it is a moot point in terms of getting a player back. With that said if you can get a late first from a team like Portland, PHX or LA for Mo and a second then you do that deal. I would also accept a second for Mo, if it is pick 31-41.

I think we could get a guy like Paul Davis, Gerry McNamara, Dee Brown, Pittsnogle, or Glen Davis in the late first to early second range, and have them sit and learn for the next season. In the case of the PG prospects maybe they get some time depending on what Joe plans on doing to back up CB next season.

Like TayMelo said, we have too many bodies and not enough minutes. Which is why I would rather try to acquire a future draft pick or the rights to a player like Roko Ukic.

Like TayMelo said, we have too many bodies and not enough minutes. Which is why I would rather try to acquire a future draft pick or the rights to a player like Roko Ukic.

Which is why I hope we draft a Euro like Memo and Fino we can leave somewhere for a year or two if we do in fact get that Minny pick.

I floated the idea of trading Mo this coming off-season in the Miami game chat and mentioned it in the OGT. It's been mentioned by others since so how about a legit discussion?

Removing Flips' love child from the rotation obviously frees up playing time for Carlos Delfino. I seriously think Delfino deserves those minutes and as long as Mo is around Fino is going to get shafted.

But removing Evans doesn't only benefit Delfino (and the team lol) it benefits several (all?) of our young players.

Amir Johnson's future is apparently at SF. He obviously needs playing time to adjust to the NBA and put into action all the shit he's being taught in practice. With Mo gone he gets his chance.

Dumars has stated he loves Alex Acker and thinks he can handle some PG and some SG. By removing Evans from the rotation you open up the possibility of Delfino at SF, therefore opening up time at SG for Acker.

Even Jason Maxiell could benefit from trading Evans. I know everyone says he's a PF and will never play SF. I don't believe it. With Dice around Maxiell is only gonna get garbage minutes. Doesn't he deserve more than that? Surely he could play SOME minutes at SF in a certain line-up against certain opponents?

So, after seeing the benefits of trading Mo I thought I'd crunch the numbers and see who matched up.

Mo will make $1,500,000 next season. In a trade we can take back as much as $1,875,000 or as little as $1,125,000.

Based on Hoopshype's salaries for next season here's a list of guys that fall into that price range:

Tony Allen (Boston)

Joey Graham (Toronto)

Scott Padgett or Antoine Wright or Zoran Planinic (New Jersey)

Pavel Podkolzin (Dallas)

Hakim Warrick (Memphis)

J.R Smith or Kirk Snyder (New Orleans)

Luther Head (Houston)

Julius Hodge or Greg Buckner* (Denver)

Rashad McCants (Minnesota)

Travis Outlaw or Jarrett Jack or Steve Blake or Sebastian Telfair or Viktor Khryapa (Portland)

Nate Robinson (New York)

John Edwards (Atlanta)

Matt Carroll or Sean May (Charlotte)

Michael Ruffin (Washington)

Kris Humphries or Keith McLeod+ (Utah)

Yaraslav Korolev (LA Clippers)

Brian Cook or Luke Walton (LA Lakers)

Kevin Martin or Francisco Garcia or Jason Hart* (Sacramento)

* = player option for next season
+ = team option for next season

Obviously not all of these guys are gonna be available straight up for Evans but it's a start.

Thoughts?

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Mo would be best served to trade with cash equal to his salary to a team like Atlanta for a future second rounder or long term lotto protected first rounder. They will need someone to use some of Harrington's minutes when he is gone.

The Orlando pick is now sacred, as we aren't going to have a good pick for awhile. We will need that to restore some youth.

Good to see you here again, BBF.

You should stick around this time.

Love the idea P, but you confuse me. You say we should move him to open PT for Delfino, which I agree with, and then make a list with a lot of SF or SG on there. That won't help the problem at all. I'd just take a pick for him and any matching salary. We don't really have any needs for next year. I assume Delk and Davis will be back for another year. And Evans won't fetch any player good enough to make a significant contribution anyway. I'll take a pick for evans, or move him with a pick to get a higher pick (in theory).

Man I'd be content if we just dumped him flat even if we got nothing.
A draft pick and cash though would be nice.

I wonder if packaging him with one of our non-playing rookies and/or a 2nd rounder might help us get something else, like a high first rounder in one of the next two drafts.

Love the idea P, but you confuse me. You say we should move him to open PT for Delfino, which I agree with, and then make a list with a lot of SF or SG on there. That won't help the problem at all. I'd just take a pick for him and any matching salary. We don't really have any needs for next year. I assume Delk and Davis will be back for another year. And Evans won't fetch any player good enough to make a significant contribution anyway. I'll take a pick for evans, or move him with a pick to get a higher pick (in theory).

I didn't look at the positions when I made the list. I just concentrated on salaries that matched Evans'

I did realise after the fact that it's full of swingmen, but such is life.

I'm really into the Utah trade idea.

They have 3 second rounders in a "weak" draft. If we offered them Mo and the Minny second rounder (when are we getting it?) for Humphries, #42 and #43 we could get 2 reasonable players.

After the trade waive Humphries

We'd then have:

Ben
Sheed
Prince
Rip
Billups

Dice
Delfino
Delk (re-sign with part of the MLE)
Maxiell
Hunter (re-sign to the vet minimum for another year)
Amir
Davis
Acker

Plus the 2 seconds we got from Utah

Acker and the 2 seconds would rarely play at all. That gives us a nice 12 man roster with a nice blend of youht and experience.

i may be alone on this, but i like how that looks pharaoh.

Well, I think it's a pretty good way to go.

We might not be able to convince Utah to give up those 2 seconds, but one of them should be easy.