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Glenn
03-21-2006, 10:47 AM
No mention of Darko? Hmmm.

LINK (http://www.wanganuichronicle.co.nz/localsport/storydisplay.cfm?storyid=3677023&thesection=localsport&thesubsection=&thesecond%20subsection=)

http://www.wanganuichronicle.co.nz/pics/web200306WCKHpistons4.jpg



Former Wolfpack man now an international talent scout

21.03.2006
By John Maslin

BASKETBALL: In the high-powered, big-moneyed world of the National Basketball Association – the NBA – sometimes it’s a matter of not what you know but who you know.

And one man standing testimony to that is Tony Ronzone, the likeable Californian who was player-coach of the Wanganui Wolfpack in the late 1980s.

Ronzone made a flying visit to the River City at the weekend, fulfilling his role as international talent scout for the Detroit Pistons and on his way to catch some of the basketball matches at the Commonwealth Games in Melbourne.

Wanganui still holds a special place in Ronzone’s heart.

It’s in his resume that reads like an edition of the Lonely Planet travellers’ guide. If there is a country in the world he hasn’t been to then it would be hard to name it.

He’s even managed to get into North Korea on a scouting mission – a rare occasion for a US citizen – before he joined the Detroit front office. He managed it working for FIBA, the world basketball body, and also by making reference to his Italian heritage rather than his American citizenship.

Ronzone’s talents are rare in an international stage. A former colleague at Dallas Mavericks, Donny Nelson, says for all his boasting about fluency in several foreign languages, Ronzone would be lucky if he knew more than two words.

But he succeeds because his personality – at once likeable, embracing and charming – opens countless doors.

In his time as a scout he’s scored some big name players from around the world for the NBA, including Germany’s Dirk Nowitzki, Yao Ming and Mehmet Okur.

That Ronzone was at the forefront of the talent spotting is no surprise.

After leaving Wanganui he got a job as assistant coach in college ball before other coaching jobs in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

All the time he was establishing a network of contacts, all with a view to getting into an NBA job.

“That sort of job just doesn’t happen. It’s so hard to get the opportunity, but I was lucky because I’d established a niche in the basketball world of going places and meeting people and recognising talent,” Ronzone said yesterday.

“It was a matter of being at the right place at the right time when the NBA was expanding. It was a game with a growing world audience and influence.”

A chance meeting with Donny Nelson at the Goodwill Games in Russia in 1994, opened another door, this time with the Dallas Mavericks.

A couple of seasons with that franchise then Joe Dumars, president of the Piston’s organisation, called. He was building his new management team, had heard good things about Ronzone and the rest, as they say, is history.

NBA teams maintain their player rosters by attending the annual draft where the best eligible players are available to be signed. The worst teams in the competition get to pick the best players. In Detroit’s case, as NBA champions and with another stellar season unfolding, it means they’re well down the pecking order. By the time their turn comes the best players have already gone.

That’s where Ronzone’s uncanny talents are crucial. It’s how he secured Mehmet Okur for his team. He’d seen the talent when he visited Turkey so was ahead of the rest.

He’s gone, or is prepared to go, to places other scouts have never been. Border guards at Kazakhstan, the Congo, North Korea, China have all stamped his passport at some stage.

He admits to being a “bit of a wild guy” when it comes to global scouting but says he “lives the high of doing it.”

He was no new kid on the block when the NBA started scouting globally. When he signed on with Dallas that team was pioneering player recruitment overseas. They realised that there was talent in other parts of the world, even if some of the places most of them had never heard of.

Ronzone had. And he’d been there already.

So to the future.

The first part of Ronzone’s “impossible dream” has been achieved. He’s part of Dumar’s management team at Detroit. The ultimate goal?

“I really want to become general manager of a team. That’s a big call I know but I’m hopeful.

“I’m young and I don’t know when but it will happen.

“But even if it doesn’t I’m still content. It’s great being a part of the game that you love.”

the wrath of diddy
03-21-2006, 10:59 AM
STONE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Glenn
03-21-2006, 11:00 AM
I'll admit it.

I posted this just for Diddy.

edit: thread title changed

Kilo
03-21-2006, 11:41 AM
I could see us drafting a international player this year, with the Minnesota pick, with the intent on leaving him overseas for another season or two sorta deal. Outside of that I think Dumars will be snakebitten to draft another Euro with any first rounder for the next while.

Especially when Delfino asked to be traded this off-season, or more likely during next season when the promises of playing time(made to appease him this off-season) are not carried out.

JS
03-21-2006, 03:05 PM
I could see us drafting a international player this year, with the Minnesota pick, with the intent on leaving him overseas for another season or two sorta deal. Outside of that I think Dumars will be snakebitten to draft another Euro with any first rounder for the next while.

Especially when Delfino asked to be traded this off-season, or more likely during next season when the promises of playing time(made to appease him this off-season) are not carried out.

I think we will be getting Paul Davis with that pick. He was projected as a late first, but his stock has fallen big time.

As for the topic of the thread, outside of Memo Tony has done nothing for our scouting department. There have been plenty of players we missed out on that other teams picking after of us made out on. I don't see why after this year Tony or Igor should have jobs with the Pistons.

Glenn
03-21-2006, 03:08 PM
No kidding.

Igor had to know that he was on borrowed time as soon as Darko was dealt.

They should have included him in the deal.

Kilo
03-21-2006, 04:05 PM
JS(or whomever),

Do we even know for a fact that we are getting this years Minnesota pick? When the trade was announced it was for a future second rounder - it must have been worded like that for a reason. Would it be something like Minnesota's choice over the next three years sorta deal?? I've emailed a handful of people that should be in the know and didn't get a response, and have even slummed on RGM Minnesota board only to get ignored. I have a feeling that we're not getting this years pick.

Glenn
03-21-2006, 04:09 PM
slummed on RGM

LMAO

I don't know about the Minny pick, but last I checked, Philly still owes us a 2nd round pick from about 10 years ago (original Stack trade?) that they either have to give us this year or next.

Kilo
03-21-2006, 04:11 PM
slummed on RGM

LMAO

I don't know about the Minny pick, but last I checked, Philly still owes us a 2nd round pick from about 10 years ago (original Stack trade?) that they either have to give us this year or next.

Actually that pick is now Alex Acker. Utah traded Philly the 60th pick last year, and then they shipped it to us to finally complete the trade.

Hermy
03-21-2006, 04:12 PM
slummed on RGM

LMAO

I don't know about the Minny pick, but last I checked, Philly still owes us a 2nd round pick from about 10 years ago (original Stack trade?) that they either have to give us this year or next.

I think that philly pick was the Amir pick through a trade. They owed us a pick, not necessarliy Phillys.

I am of the understanding the Minny pick is this year, its shown with the Piston symbol at NBADraft.net.

Glenn
03-21-2006, 04:14 PM
Actually that pick is now Alex Acker. Utah traded Philly the 60th pick last year, and then they shipped it to us to finally complete the trade.

Whoops. Forgot about that.

Hermy
03-21-2006, 04:16 PM
Detroit receives Minnesota's 2006 second round pick (Ronald Durpee trade 062805

Glenn
03-21-2006, 04:18 PM
10/31/05 Timberwolves acquire Ronald Dupree for 2006-08 second round pick (?-?) trade with Pistons

source: http://www.n-c-systems.com/hoops/index.html

Kilo
03-21-2006, 04:24 PM
Exactly. Who really knows. Draftnet and draftexpress have us with the pick. I wonder if they figure that it is Detroit's option when to take it and it would make sense to take it now. I can't see Minnesota choosing to give it up right now - as it's a top 40 pick(even if it is a weaker draft). Then again, they'll probably be just as putrid next season and the pick could be right around the same spot in a deeper draft year.

JS
03-21-2006, 05:09 PM
Honestly Kilo I don't know but I think you are correct that there is flexibility in when we are due to get the pick. Likely between 06 and 09.

I think the biggest factor in when we get the pick is what the T-Wolves are planning on doing with KG. If the T-Wolves plan on trading him they may want to give up the pick now, thinking that the team will get worse before better w/o KG. I mean if the choice is only 06 to 08, I can't see the wolves being better off without KG so they could be forced to give up the 31st or 32nd pick if they wait.

If we do get the pick this year it will be an absolute steal for Dupree.,

Kstat
03-21-2006, 11:25 PM
Id' liek to see us go after Chauncey's apprintace, Daniel Horton.

Kilo
03-22-2006, 12:01 AM
Getting anything for Ronnie Dupree is a coup. Minnesota isn't going to be any good anytime soon. We're looking at a Top 45 pick for Ronnie freakin Dupree.

I really don't expect us to get the pick this year though, it's sitting at 38th overall.

Daniel Horton isn't likely to be drafted.

Kstat
03-22-2006, 03:28 AM
I'm pretty sure someone will draft Daniel Horton. He's got great size for a PG at 6'3" and he can really score from all over the court.

Yeah his playmaking skills aren't there right now, but he really does remind me of a young Billups, which makes sense because Chauncey has been teaching this kid over the summer.

I think in the 2nd round, he's as good a pick as any. I definately like him better than Acker.

Kilo
03-22-2006, 11:35 AM
Of course a young Chauncey Billups was drafted third overall. I'm not opposed to bringing him in, but not with the Minnesota pick if we get it. If he's around at 60, I'd take a flyer on him.

the wrath of diddy
03-22-2006, 11:40 AM
[smilie=arnold.gif]

Get this thread back on topic you guys.

YES, TONY DESERVES TO DIE! AND I HOPE HE BURNS IN HELL!

Kilo
03-22-2006, 11:48 AM
[smilie=arnold.gif]

Get this thread back on topic you guys.

YES, TONY DESERVES TO DIE! AND I HOPE HE BURNS IN HELL!

Yeah, how would Chris Bosh and Josh Howard look in Detroit uniforms right about now...

Kilo
03-22-2006, 01:41 PM
Just to follow-up, I recieved an email reply that has a contact in Minnesota that believes that Minnesota might owe Detroit a second rounder, as opposed to their second rounder. Minnesota has the PHX second rounder this year, which is currently sitting 57th overall. This contact is looking into it further, having one of his sources going directly to the top(McHale) in Minnesot for clarification.

Glenn
03-22-2006, 01:55 PM
Kilo's an Insider, bitch.

FWIW, I sent out a couple of emails about this too, but I would categorize anything substantial coming from them as "unlikely".

Glenn
03-22-2006, 01:59 PM
http://www.nextlevelbasketballcamps.com/images/tony_jeff_game1.gif

I wonder where his other hand is? [smilie=anxious.gif]

Pharaoh
03-23-2006, 09:44 AM
On the topic of draftees:

Anyone wanna pimp Bobby Jones?

http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1232

Last player featured (scroll all the way down)

The guy seems like he has "Piston DNA"

Can anyone give me more info on him?

Anyone watched him play a lot (more than once)?

Kilo
03-30-2006, 04:11 PM
Just for clarification, it is Minnesota's choice reguarding when they send the pick - either in 'o6, 'o7, 'o8. However it is still uncertain whether it can be Minnesota's second round Phoenix pick or if it has to be their own. Some believe it is the former, while others believe it is the latter with no confirmation from anybody who would definitively know.

I odn't think we'll be getting this years pick if it has to be Minnesota's because they person who believe it could be the PHX pick says PHX only MIGHT send that pick over this year given the weak draft class.

I guess the NBADL and the new CBA really increased the value of second round draft picks.

WTFchris
03-30-2006, 04:28 PM
I'm pretty sure someone will draft Daniel Horton. He's got great size for a PG at 6'3" and he can really score from all over the court.


Is he any better than Charlie Bell though? I'd take a flyer on him in the late second, but I could also see him getting passed over too.

Kstat
03-30-2006, 05:31 PM
I'm pretty sure someone will draft Daniel Horton. He's got great size for a PG at 6'3" and he can really score from all over the court.


Is he any better than Charlie Bell though? I'd take a flyer on him in the late second, but I could also see him getting passed over too.

Charlie Bell is a SG. Horton is a PG.

Horton handles the ball well enough to play PG on an NBA level. Charlie never could do that.

WTFchris
03-31-2006, 09:19 AM
They are both combo guards IMO. Both natural scorers with some ball handling ability. Horton is not a PG. He's like AI, Wagner and all the other SG's forced to play PG because of size, lack of a PG on their team, etc.

Horton does not run an offense particularly well. Yes, he has good ball handling skills, but he doesn't run an offense that great.

Perhaps Acker is a better comparison. He can score and pass, but not really a good PG. He'll have to learn how to run an offense in the NBA. Billups did it, but he also had a more prolific college career to get himself drafted in the first place.

b-diddy
03-31-2006, 02:06 PM
fuck horton. he's a born loser.

if we get the phx pick this year (sounds as possible as any), i'd trade up (wait a second, who is going to trade for a 57th and 60th pick in the draft). scratch that. forget everything i've written.

i like james white. he dunked the fuck out the ball last night, plus he's a senior from cincinnatti, so he can hang out with maxiell on the bench. i dont care if he has no skills, i'll take a guy with that athleticism any day of the week with a late pick. i suspect just based on one dunk, he went up to an early second rounder, though.

Kilo
04-07-2006, 11:53 AM
From McCoskey @ the News today -


The Raptors are close to naming Tony Ronzone , the Pistons' director of basketball operations and chief international scout, as their assistant general manager.

Pistons president Joe Dumars said that the Raptors' have not asked for permission to talk to Ronzone but added that he wouldn't stand in Ronzone's way of taking that promotion.

Ronzone, who was instrumental in the Pistons drafting of Mehmet Okur , Milicic and Carlos Delfino , has been with the organization for five years.

I say good riddance as visions of Bosh or Wade, and Josh Howard dance in my head.

Pharaoh
04-07-2006, 12:06 PM
And we picked Andreas the Greek Giant over Marquis Daniels

Andreas is a quality player though, just ask Tony.

Get the fuck outta here already.

Maybe we can send them Delfino for their Lotto pick?

Kilo
04-07-2006, 12:58 PM
Maybe we can send them Delfino for their Lotto pick?

It depends on if Bargnini is available when TO picks or not...