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Though his war of words with Stephon Marbury may be over, Larry Brown might be wishing he was back on the opposing bench when the Detroit Pistons visit Madison Square Garden to face the New York Knicks.

While coaching Detroit the previous two seasons, Brown never was involved in the kind of feud he's had this week with Marbury. Brown certainly never had the same problems winning games.

As the Pistons have already clinched a playoff berth and own the league's best record, the Knicks are tied with Charlotte for the fewest wins in the NBA (18).

The verbal sparring between Marbury and Brown, though, may be slowing down. The two had a meeting Thursday and Brown told Marbury he wanted the point guard to return next season.

"I told him I just wanted him to let us coach him the rest of the year and he's not going anywhere and let's move on," Brown said. "Let's deal in the present and not in the past."

Though he prefers a quicker pace, Marbury says he has tried to play Brown's way and he'll continue to do so. Marbury, however, does not sound completely convinced the relationship has been fully repaired.

"I'm down for what's right," Marbury said. "Like I said, I was committed and I'm still committed to the organization, to doing exactly what he's been asking.

"He told me to play the way he wants me to play and if I don't feel like it's the right way just bare with it. And I didn't say yes and I didn't say no."

Possibly Brown's biggest frustration has been his inability to Marbury and many of the Knicks to play the right way on defense. After the Knicks gave up 34 points in the third quarter Wednesday against Atlanta, Brown benched Marbury and all of his other starters.

New York's reserves went on to lead the team to a 121-117 double-overtime victory. The Knicks' bench outscored Atlanta's reserves 77-17.

"This is a team game," Brown said. "I want guys who play hard, try to defend, share the ball and make their teammates better."

While Marbury had only eight points in 30 minutes, rookie Nate Robinson scored five of his 18 points in the second overtime and Qyntel Woods also scored 18 while going 8-for-8 from the field.

Marbury has failed to approach the success fellow point guard Chauncey Billups achieved under Brown, and Billups has developed into an MVP candidate this season.

Billups had 26 points and 10 assists in Detroit's 105-98 road win over Toronto on Wednesday.

That win also saw the Pistons' bench make a big contribution, led by Antonio McDyess' 16 points on 8-of-12 shooting.

"Dice (McDyess) was huge ... he was huge," Billups said. "He's always capable of that."

Reserve guard Tony Delk added 11 points, hitting 3-of-4 from 3-point range, and guard Maurice Evans played 16 minutes off the bench.

"We wanted to try to start establishing our bench more," Detroit coach Flip Saunders said. "So basically we're playing three guys and giving those guys a little bit more minutes."

The Pistons need 13 wins in their final 19 games to break the franchise record of 63, set in 1988-89 when they won they won their first championship.

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I love how the guy behind Steph grows a beard once LB fondles Steph's starburys.

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"I can't believe this guy's leaky pecker cost me a championship."

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ummmm im worried about this game. the knicks suck but can kill you out the blue if you're not careful. just make sure we stomp on their skinny jamal crawford necks. [smilie=artist.gif]

yeah, any team with that much individual talent can surprise you for a win. well, they've only done it 18 times :P but still, it'd be nice to see the Pistons keep the intensity up for the remainder of the season.

plus, can we see some Delfino tonight......please? the dude doesn't even style his hair anymore, since he's knows he's getting a DNP-CD.

this is the first end of a road to road back-to-back, when combined with our lackluster play the last few weeks, i think we gotta be careful. Especially since charlotte will be motivated after we spanked them a few days ago.

We should break 100 again tonight, and this is a team that we actually might be able to outrebound.

Over/under on Pistons threes attempted is 17.

Pistons win, 102-90.

Another exciting night of NBA basketball with George Blaha.

i won't be around for the game tonight, but i'll try to stay logged into the chatroom.

LOL@The knicks coming back in the 1st half.

A]The Pistons simply don't have a killer instinct
B]The referees want to keep this game close.

The worst game ever from an officiating standpoint? Quite simply, yes!

LMAO! What a discrase. If I were stern, i'd erase this game out of NBA history. For the 1st time ever, i'm glad we lost.

SON OF A (U*%$G! You have to be kidding me! I can't even construct a coherent thought in relation to this game right now. I'm fuming. I really hope the league office takes a nice, long, hard look at the tape of this game and fires some referees.

And screw Dice for not being able to make two easy free throws.

And screw Flip for not playing Delfino.

Screw the refs.

Just screw everyone.

ARGH!!

I thought Evans gave us some quality minutes out there. Specally tward the end. Cant fault his play. But I agree, Flip should have deffently found a way to get Delfino into the game.

And I hope to hear some searous ref bashing from both sides after this game. That was a disscrase.

And screw Dice for not being able to make two easy free throws.

Dont know about you, but I would have hated to win like that. On a wrong call at the buzzer with the game on the line.

Fuck blaming the referees - doing that lets the Pistons off the hook. This team needs to be able to win in spite of what they percieve to be bad refereeing, I don't believe they've done that all year.

There is simply NO EXCUSE for losing to the NYK - NONE. Sheed's got to shut his damn mouth and Rip needs to get his head out of his ass.

Guess who's tops in the league now - it ain't the Pistons. SA wins tonight and they are only a half game behind us and they're beating PHX, we're busy losing to New York.

Story of the game - Pistons were blowing out Knicks so referees start blowing their whistles to at least keep it competitive. However in doing so they let NYK back in the game and Detroit can't capitalize late in the game when the referees try to give it back.

I think I'm done with the NBA after this season.

I think we are starting to see why Flip has never won anything in the NBA. These guys are out of control. They whine too much and are playing lazy and stupid. Flip is too big of a pussy to tighten the reigns and knock some sense into these fucking bitches. I'm starting to believe that the only reason we started off as hot as we did is that the guys were playing with the control that Larry Brown taught them the last two years but with a little extra freedom. Now that they know they chuck a jumper at anytime from anywhere on the court they do it every fucking play if they don't feel like running the offense. Flip better get his shit together and do something about this. But fuck he'll probably just go cry to Joe about how we would've won this game had we signed Hoiberg.

Ummm duh. I've been saying that all fucking year.

Yep, fire flip. we'll get swept in round 1. He's the worst coach in NBA history.

Oh and by the way, overlook the fact SHeed and Rip basically quit on the team tonight. That's also Flip's fault.

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This guy said it right.

Yep, fire flip. we'll get swept in round 1. He's the worst coach in NBA history.

Oh and by the way, overlook the fact SHeed and Rip basically quit on the team tonight. That's also Flip's fault.

I'm sorry your right. Its perfectly normal for us to lose a 16 point lead to the worst team in the NBA. But hey, look at our record, its nice and shiny.

Yep, fire flip. we'll get swept in round 1. He's the worst coach in NBA history.

Oh and by the way, overlook the fact SHeed and Rip basically quit on the team tonight. That's also Flip's fault.

LMFAO @ YOU. Do I need to find the quotes of you saying shit like "Ben Wallace is no match for Jeff Foster"? Just shut your fucking mouth.

Why the hell was Maurice Evans playing? That was probably the worst display of defense I've seen from anyone since the Arroyo days. Notice whoever he was guarding was going right at him? As much as I am glad LB is gone, that's a smart coach over there on the other sideline.

Never said it wasn't shitty.

But i'll be dammed if this whole game is going to be blamed on Flip Saunders, when he wasnt the one who quit on his in the 3rd quarter.

Everyone wants to all jump on flip's case, nobody has the balls to call out sheed or rip. So I guess that's my job.

You guys want to get on my case over it, fine.

He's the one that has been allowing these asshole to whine, bitch, and moan non-stop for months while also allowing them to play like braindead, lazy dumbshit chuckers. He's got to get these guys under control. He's given them waaaaaaaaaaay to much freedom.

Never said it wasn't shitty.

But i'll be dammed if this whole game is going to be blamed on Flip Saunders, when he wasnt the one who quit on his in the 3rd quarter.

Everyone wants to all jump on flip's case, nobody has the balls to call out sheed or rip. So I guess that's my job.

Because nothing needs to be said. Everyone knows they fucked up. It doesn't excuse Flip for leaving "No D" Mo out there to get lit up, when there's a great defender (lindsey or Delfino) sitting on the bench. It also doesn't excuse him for letting his players chuck shots and play no D on a nightly basis.

Everyone wants to all jump on flip's case, nobody has the balls to call out sheed or rip. So I guess that's my job.

THATS FLIP'S FUCKING JOB YOU EPIC FUCKTARD! It's the coaches job to keep his players under control and he hasn't done that at all this year.

Never said it wasn't shitty.

But i'll be dammed if this whole game is going to be blamed on Flip Saunders, when he wasnt the one who quit on his in the 3rd quarter.

Everyone wants to all jump on flip's case, nobody has the balls to call out sheed or rip. So I guess that's my job.

Because nothing needs to be said. Everyone knows they fucked up. It doesn't excuse Flip for leaving "No D" Mo out there to get lit up, when there's a great defender (lindsey or Delfino) sitting on the bench.

Everyone knows flip fucked up on the last posession by not playing Lindsey on Crawford. That was just as obvious.

Yet, people pile on him anyway, because its very easy to pretend the coach is at fault for everything.

THATS FLIP'S FUCKING JOB YOU EPIC FUCKTARD! It's the coaches job to keep his players under control and he hasn't done that at all this year.

Oh this is rich.

It's FLIP'S fault rip thrw a fastball into the stands? It's FLIP's fault Sheed got himself ejected?

Is it his job to tuck them in at night too, or did you volunteer for that one?

Thats been going on all year. This is the 1st time that Sheed and RIP have been tossed this year.

Thats been going on all year. This is the 1st time that Sheed and RIP have been tossed this year.

The only reason we didnt allow as many last second baskets last year is because we got BLOWN OUT a lot more under larry brown.

so what, if we lost by 30 it would be more acceptable?

I'd really love for someone to point out to me exactly where all of these close losses have been coming from.....

Is it his job to tuck them in at night too, or did you volunteer for that one?


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well, it does piss me off that we're playing our worst basketball down the stretch, we're about to lose HCA (we might has well have let the bench develop and wrest the starters all season), and it suddenly looks like we're playing pacers again in round 2 (tough), i would point out that the pistons have smoked the spurs both games this year.

i would point out that the pistons have smoked the spurs both games this year.

Any and all things that can possibly go in Flip's favor are null and void. This is a kangaroo court. He's a horrible 51-13 coach and we're a horrible 51-13 team. Thank you.

Thats been going on all year. This is the 1st time that Sheed and RIP have been tossed this year.

The only reason we didnt allow as many last second baskets last year is because we got BLOWN OUT a lot more under larry brown.

so what, if we lost by 30 it would be more acceptable?

I'd really love for someone to point out to me exactly where all of these close losses have been coming from.....

You want to know where these losses come from? Directly from the coach.

After the pistons build a nice lead, he allows them to take there foot off the gas. He lets them coast. Larry didnt. Last year, and specally the year before, when we got a lead, we crushed everyone. We never let up. This coach, with his laid back apporach, dosnt seem to give a shit. One minute we're up 20 and the next, we're playing bad basketball and letting crap ass teams come back. Why? Because Flip lets them start to float and take there foot off the gas. We'd be up 20, LB calls a time out and keeps hamering away, not letting them coast.

Everyone knows flip fucked up on the last posession by not playing Lindsey on Crawford. That was just as obvious.

Yet, people pile on him anyway, because its very easy to pretend the coach is at fault for everything.

Because we've seen these players get the job done when it counts. If this is an important game Sheed doesn't get thrown out and Rip doesn't get tossed. Flip, on the other hand, has a history of making idiotic decisions like this. This is exactly why his teams got bounced consistantly in the first round. I'm getting sick of seeing a coach on the sidelines that has no control of the players, has awful rotations, and doesn't give a damn about defense/rebounding. Joe D needs to have a little sit down, and tell him to cut the "players coach" bullshit. And he needs to do something about Mo Evans.

another thing that pisses me off is that if the game isnt won in the third quarter, it seems like its an L.

isnt that the sign of a good coach? winning the close ones? that wasnt the case last year.

but as far as the bitching from the players, thats been the case since sheed got hear. why is it now an issue?

Dude, last year we were a much worse regular season team than this year. We coasted a TON last year.

Because we've seen these players get the job done when it counts. If this is an important game Sheed doesn't get thrown out and Rip doesn't get tossed. Flip, on the other hand, has a history of making idiotic decisions like this. This is exactly why his teams got bounced consistantly in the first round. I'm getting sick of seeing a coach on the sidelines that has no control of the players, has awful rotations, and doesn't give a damn about defense/rebounding. Joe D needs to have a little sit down, and tell him to cut the "players coach" bullshit.

.....so basically the players are immune from all critisism, while flip is fair game.

Yeah, that's fair.

Dude, last year we were a much worse regular season team than this year. We coasted a TON last year.

Dude, last years regular season was a mess.

The brawl
Larry being gone
Ben's suspension for 6 games
All those rumors
Its a merical we won 54 games last year and made it to the finals.

Because we've seen these players get the job done when it counts. If this is an important game Sheed doesn't get thrown out and Rip doesn't get tossed. Flip, on the other hand, has a history of making idiotic decisions like this. This is exactly why his teams got bounced consistantly in the first round. I'm getting sick of seeing a coach on the sidelines that has no control of the players, has awful rotations, and doesn't give a damn about defense/rebounding. Joe D needs to have a little sit down, and tell him to cut the "players coach" bullshit.

.....so basically the players are immune from all critisism, while flip is fair game.

Yeah, that's fair.

No one said that. But when the coach gets a grip on his players, then we'll talk. As of now, he has no control. He dosnt even have a rotation yet and we're 64 games into the season.

Because we've seen these players get the job done when it counts. If this is an important game Sheed doesn't get thrown out and Rip doesn't get tossed. Flip, on the other hand, has a history of making idiotic decisions like this. This is exactly why his teams got bounced consistantly in the first round. I'm getting sick of seeing a coach on the sidelines that has no control of the players, has awful rotations, and doesn't give a damn about defense/rebounding. Joe D needs to have a little sit down, and tell him to cut the "players coach" bullshit.

.....so basically the players are immune from all critisism, while flip is fair game.

Yeah, that's fair.


LMFAO @ you being too stupid to see that the one guy with the authority to hold those guys accountable is doing NOTHING.

Really, no1 here cares, or even knows what you're talking about.

Dude, last year we were a much worse regular season team than this year. We coasted a TON last year.

The Pistons had the best record in the league from January 1st to the end of the regular season last year. They started slow largely because of the new handcheck rules and the brawl. Not to mention the "championship hangover" and the "Gar Heard Era" [smilie=arrgh.jpg]. The Pistons don't have any of those excuses this year. They have essentially had the "perfect year" health-wise. They have done the opposite this year. Slowly gotten worse and worse. It's not like they have runaway with HCA either. They are virtually tied with the Spurs and Mavs now. So complacency shouldn't be an issue.

Dude, last year we were a much worse regular season team than this year. We coasted a TON last year.

The Pistons had the best record in the league from January 1st to the end of the regular season last year. They started slow largely because of the new handcheck rules and the brawl. Not to mention the "championship hangover" and the "Gar Heard Era" [smilie=arrgh.jpg]. The Pistons don't have any of those excuses this year. In fact, they have done the opposite this year. It's not like they have runaway with HCA either. They are virtually tied with the Spurs and Mavs now. So complacency shouldn't be an issue.

I could name at least a dozen games last year that we either got off to an early lead and gave it up or allowed ourselves to be put in a hole and were forced to dig ourselves out of it.

Just saying in terms of regualr seasons, we were no more clutch last year under larry brown.

I could name at least a dozen games last year that we either got off to an early lead and gave it up or allowed ourselves to be put ina hole and were forced to dig ourselves out of it.

No doubt. I remember quite a few. Most of them were early in the season. And it was fresh off of beating the big-bad Lakers in a "5 game sweep". It's natural for them to coast. The difference is that Larry got their head's straight in the 2nd half of the year. They don't have the "we're defending champs" excuse this year.

Larry was not afraid to rip them a new asshole when he saw them slacking off on the boards or on defense. Flip's nice guy approach obviously isn't working, and something needs to happen.

i think its a little early to say flip's approach 'obviously isnt working'.

i mean, whats your solution? fire flip? tell him to turn into an asshole? GENERALLY, a veteran team is self policing and doesnt need a diciplinarian as coach. pistons still have 20 games to get back to their A game.

if we go into the playoffs like this, though, i'll be pissed.

I could name at least a dozen games last year that we either got off to an early lead and gave it up or allowed ourselves to be put ina hole and were forced to dig ourselves out of it.

No doubt. I remember quite a few. Most of them were early in the season.

how about last march:

1. blew a 15-point lead in phoenix and lost.

2. lost in seattle because we couldnt get a stop in the 4th qtr.

3. lost to a kings team that had no peja, no miller, and no Mobley. MO EVANS owned us.

4. Choked away a lead in Boston and lost in double-OT because we couldnt stop anybody in the last minute.

5. at CLeveland. Lost by 15, never had a chance.

6. at Philly- lost by 23.

7. we let Indiana with no Jermaine Oneal beat us AT THE PALACE by 13.

8. We let dallas come into the palace and beat us up.

last march we went 9-8. Please explain to me how we're any worse this march? We had TWO 3-game losing streaks in that month.

We haven't had one 3-game lsoing streak ALL SEASON this year.

I can guarentee you this month we will not finish 9-8.

I believe Gar Heard was coaching for the bulk of last March.

Lats year we didnt start playing playoff basketball till APRIL, not MARCH.

i think its a little early to say flip's approach 'obviously isnt working'.

i mean, whats your solution? fire flip? tell him to turn into an asshole?

My solution is to tell him stop "shrugging off" every horrible defensive sequence, poor rebounding performance, and bad shot. Sometimes these guys need to get an earful when they aren't making good decisions and aren't playing defense.

I believe Gar Heard was coaching for the bulk of last March.

It proves that the pistons dont need to be peaking in march to play well in april may and june.

Also proves that it's very stupid to act like flip is a failure this damn early.

Stupid is saying the players need to be held accountable for playing and acting out of control and then saying nobody should attack the one guy with the authority to hold them accountable because he's failed to do so.

Stupid is saying the players need to be held accountable for playing and acting out of control and then saying nobody should attack the one guy with the authority to hold them accountable because he's failed to do so.

Last time I checked, these are grown men. It's not the coach's job to keep them from getting ejetced.

It's the coaches job to keep his players under control. He's let the whining, bitching and moaning to the refs spiral out of control all season. He's done nothing to calm these guys down. After Sheed sat down tonight and continued to cuss and swear at the refs did Flip even attempt to get him to stop? Nope. He just stood by and let it happen. He doesn't have control over this team. It's pretty obvious.

It's the coaches job to keep his players under control. He's let the whining, bitching and moaning to the refs spiral out of control all season. He's done nothing to calm these guys down. After Sheed sat down tonight and continued to cuss and swear at the refs did Flip even attempt to get him to stop? Nope. He just stood by and let it happen. He doesn't have control over this team. It's pretty obvious.

Name the last pistons coach to get in his player's faces to stop arguing.

it'd be pretty obvious he had no control if he tried to stop sheed and couldnt.

he probably did the right thing by letting the hothead blow off some steam. better to lose a game than to lose a lockerroom.

flip's got to look out for number 1.

None of the previous coaches had to deal with a team as out of control with the refs as this one. They must've been doing something right.

it'd be pretty obvious he had no control if he tried to stop sheed and couldnt.

he probably did the right thing by letting the hothead blow off some steam. better to lose a game than to lose a lockerroom.

flip's got to look out for number 1.


Oh please. He's not going to lose them team if he tries to calm Sheed down.

maybe not. but maybe he's afraid of sheed. how would it look if he told sheed to shut up and sheed told him to fuck off? why get in to that?

Being afraid of a player is what causes caoches to lose lockerooms. He needs to stand up to these guys and tighten the reigns. It's the only way we win the title. If they continue to play and act like they have over the last month+ there is no way they will get past Miami.

well, we only see what goes on on the court. if flip thinks he needs to step in (something a coach shouldnt have to do on a vet team like the pistons), its probably better done behind closed doors than in MSG when sheed is pissed as hell.

well, we only see what goes on on the court. if flip thinks he needs to step in (something a coach shouldnt have to do on a vet team like the pistons), its probably better done behind closed doors than in MSG when sheed is pissed as hell.
like fuck it is. maurice is a coach who will get in his players face and he never had a problem coaching sheed from that aspect. Neither did LB. Any coach whose scared of sheed shouldnt be coaching him.

all coaches have different styles. EVERY knew flip isnt a disciplinarian. why would you want him playing to his weaknesses, confronting a pissed off player (who isnt 100% stable) on the road in front of a hostile crowd.

flip was brought in because it was assumed we didnt need (or want) an asshole coach, and the players would police themselves.

There have been plenty of coaches who have won titles without being hardasses on the sideline.

Yep. So whenever in doubt, look at our gaudy 51-14 record and feel gratuitous amounts of comfort. Oh that defense? don't even worry about that, we're 51-14. Soft coach? 51-14. Rotation in late games? nah.. 51-14 takes care of that. Pop schoolin' the brakes off of flip? nevah' happen. 51-14. In fact, fuck the whole playoffs because we are 51-14.



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Never said it wasn't shitty.

But i'll be dammed if this whole game is going to be blamed on Flip Saunders, when he wasnt the one who quit on his in the 3rd quarter.

Everyone wants to all jump on flip's case, nobody has the balls to call out sheed or rip. So I guess that's my job.

You guys want to get on my case over it, fine.

It's not just one game though.

We have been doing this for months now. And its starting to catch up to us now.


There have been plenty of coaches who have won titles without being hardasses on the sideline.

Did any of them not have a set rotation 64 games into the season?

Did any of them have a record of failing in the playoffs even with one of the Top 5 players in the L?

OK, I stopped reading on page 4, and should have on page 3.

Can we please get a mod to clean this thing up, split part of it into the terrordome, issue an official warning (as in counts toward a future suspension) to wrath of you know who, and move on?

I don't need to read fifty times about some game thread some other poster and his "taint" and "cock", etc. wanted to use.

This is a crock.

I'm sure I'll get slammed for this, but I don't give a damn. I look the other way on about 99 out of every 100 Diddy rants, but this thread is a damn shame. Its like he went out of his way to throw in a nugget about basketball in his constant personal insults, in order to make it seem like his intent was to discuss basketball, when it was clearly just to attack another poster over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

Enough already. Mods, please get to work.

Wallace's ejection came after he got upset after being called for two quick personal fouls.

"They need your help!" Wallace yelled to no one in particular.

Knicks guard Steve Francis responded, "Ya'll need (expletive) help!"

Wallace and Francis went back and forth briefly, which is when official Bennett Salvatore - who at the time, was on the other side of the court - whistled Wallace for one technical foul, and official Tim Donaghy in near unison, whistled him for another which resulted in his automatic ejection.

Shouldn't that count as just one tech because both the officials were giving him a tech for the same thing?

Wallace's ejection came after he got upset after being called for two quick personal fouls.

"They need your help!" Wallace yelled to no one in particular.

Knicks guard Steve Francis responded, "Ya'll need (expletive) help!"

Wallace and Francis went back and forth briefly, which is when official Bennett Salvatore - who at the time, was on the other side of the court - whistled Wallace for one technical foul, and official Tim Donaghy in near unison, whistled him for another which resulted in his automatic ejection.

Shouldn't that count as just one tech because both the officials were giving him a tech for the same thing?

Probably, and one will get rescinded. Too bad that it probably cost us the game though. Fuckin referees gotta get their heads out of their ass. I have no beef with Sheed getting the one T as I think he talks way the hell too much, however if he was T'd up by two seperate referees for the same offense that is ridiculous and the referees should have realized as much and took one back(I wonder if it is possible to do so, common sense be damned).

OK, I stopped reading on page 4, and should have on page 3.

Can we please get a mod to clean this thing up, split part of it into the terrordome, issue an official warning (as in counts toward a future suspension) to wrath of you know who, and move on?

I don't need to read fifty times about some game thread some other poster and his "taint" and "cock", etc. wanted to use.

This is a crock.

I'm sure I'll get slammed for this, but I don't give a damn. I look the other way on about 99 out of every 100 Diddy rants, but this thread is a damn shame. Its like he went out of his way to throw in a nugget about basketball in his constant personal insults, in order to make it seem like his intent was to discuss basketball, when it was clearly just to attack another poster over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

Enough already. Mods, please get to work.

Go back to RealGM. You seem like the perfect poster for Cow's board.

As much as I have railed on the chuckiness of this team, the 18 threes last night aren't even bothering me that much for some reason (points in the paint was NYK- 48, DET- 36, and I know Kstat, "we're not that type of team").

I did notice that Tayshaun and even Evans were taking it to the hoop a little more last night, and Ben had some amazing interior baskets as well.

The lack of defense is what is killing me now.

If we played any semblance of solid defense, we wouldn't have blown a 16 point lead to the team with the worst record in the NBA. (Note that I didn't say "worst team in the NBA", they're not, IMO).

I know that we made it to game 7 of the Finals last year, but I'm starting to get that same sinking feeling about this team that I had last year heading into the stretch run. We're a flawed team.

If you can't significantly outrebound Eddy Curry, Jerome James, Jackie Butler and Malik Rose, then you don't deserve to win.

If I had to bet my house on it, I'd take the Spurs the Mavs and the Suns right now over the Pistons to win it all, and the Heat are closing fast.

But I know Kstat, we're 51-13, so no worries, right?

Sometimes I think it would just be easier to have my head buried in the sand like some of us here do. Must be nice to see nothing but blue skies all the time.

I'm at the point where I'm almost hoping we lose a few more of these games so we can see what this team is really made of, because they're obviously feeling mighty comfortable about things right about now.

"Players coach", bah!

Latham lashes out!!

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060318/SPORTS03/603180345/1051/SPORTS


NEW YORK 105, DETROIT 103: Knicks, officials do job on Pistons

March 18, 2006

BY KRISTA LATHAM
FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

NEW YORK -- First, the officials ordered out Rasheed Wallace, the victim of back-to-back technical fouls for talking. Then Richard Hamilton joined him -- after he threw a ball up in the air so high and far that it crossed the court, bounced off the shot clock and landed in the stands.

With two starters stewing in the locker room and a battery of odd and inconsistent foul calls troubling them back on the court, the Pistons lost, 105-103, to the New York Knicks on Friday night at Madison Square Garden.

Forward Antonio McDyess, a 55% free-throw shooter who has struggled at the line lately, missed two free throws with seven-tenths of a second left that would have likely sent the game to overtime.

He got to the line when the officials called a foul on Malik Rose on the Pistons' final shot attempt.

But on a night when the smallest infraction drew the officials' wrath, they let a push-off from guard Jamal Crawford fly with 2.2 seconds left. His ensuing jump shot fell, breaking a 103-103 tie and winning the game for the Knicks.

"My thing is, if you're going to let them play, let them play," Pistons coach Flip Saunders said after the game. "There was a little bit of inconsistency, so it was hard to adapt to that."

The officials called 36 fouls in the second half, including seven technicals. And while the Pistons were careful to take some of the blame in a game they led at one point by 16, they wouldn't shoulder all of it.

"I think (the officials were) more of a factor tonight than any game we've played this year," said Tayshaun Prince, who scored 15 points. "Even though some other games were the same, I thought it was more important in this than any other one."

Chauncey Billups, who scored 24 points, said afterward that he wishes the league held the officials publically accountable for their calls.

"My thing is, after the game, I have to talk about what happened down the stretch, why we did this or that," Billups said. "I wish the refs had to do that."

Hamilton was ejected with 4:22 left in the third. After he was called for an offensive foul on the perimeter, the Pistons called timeout, and Hamilton chucked the ball up toward the opposite backboard as he walked to the bench. The ball bounced off the shot clock and into the stands.

Throwing anything into the stands is an automatic ejection this season, so officials had no choice but to boot Hamilton. It was Hamilton's second ejection as a Piston, and his second since the All-Star break. He was ejected in Chicago last month.

But Wallace's technicals were judgment calls. Early in the third quarter, he was called for two questionable fouls -- his third and fourth of the game.

After the fouls, Wallace went to the bench mad, and as he sat down, he jawed at Knicks guard Steve Francis, saying, "You need all the help you can get."

Over his shoulder, Francis said, "No, we don't. You need help."

Wallace responded, and Francis then turned and yelled, "Shut up," as the play began. An official across the court blew his the whistle, calling Wallace for a technical.

He yelled in protest, and the second whistle -- carrying an ejection with it -- followed quickly.

Those were Wallace's thirteenth and fourteenth technical fouls of the season. Two more, and he starts receiving one-game suspensions for every two technicals.

It was Wallace's second ejection as a Piston. He was ejected in a game at Charlotte last season.

man these guys are making excuses. refs nothing. there was a stretch in the 3rd before hand where we were nonchalant out there letting the knicks hang around. ya know if flip cares so much about having a scorer have delk out there with hunter and delfino. you kill two birds with one stone in more scenarios. the evans thing is trash.

As much as I have railed on the chuckiness of this team, the 18 threes last night aren't even bothering me that much for some reason (points in the paint was NYK- 48, DET- 36, and I know Kstat, "we're not that type of team").

I did notice that Tayshaun and even Evans were taking it to the hoop a little more last night, and Ben had some amazing interior baskets as well.

The lack of defense is what is killing me now.

If we played any semblance of solid defense, we wouldn't have blown a 16 point lead to the team with the worst record in the NBA. (Note that I didn't say "worst team in the NBA", they're not, IMO).

I know that we made it to game 7 of the Finals last year, but I'm starting to get that same sinking feeling about this team that I had last year heading into the stretch run. We're a flawed team.

If you can't significantly outrebound Eddy Curry, Jerome James, Jackie Butler and Malik Rose, then you don't deserve to win.

If I had to bet my house on it, I'd take the Spurs the Mavs and the Suns right now over the Pistons to win it all, and the Heat are closing fast.

But I know Kstat, we're 51-13, so no worries, right?

Sometimes I think it would just be easier to have my head buried in the sand like some of us here do. Must be nice to see nothing but blue skies all the time.

I'm at the point where I'm almost hoping we lose a few more of these games so we can see what this team is really made of, because they're obviously feeling mighty comfortable about things right about now.

"Players coach", bah!

Egg-fuckin`zactly [smilie=angry.gif]

We out-rebounded the spurs by what, 50?

All of a sudden we're not a better rebounding team than they are?

Whatever.

In a month when we're gearing up for the playoffs, this will look awfully silly.

Of coursewhen that happens, I expect nobody to own up to the fact they're basically giving up on the team mid-march.

Then again, maybe some people are rooting for this team to lose every game out of hate for flip saunders. What do I know.....

OK, I stopped reading on page 4, and should have on page 3.

Can we please get a mod to clean this thing up, split part of it into the terrordome, issue an official warning (as in counts toward a future suspension) to wrath of you know who, and move on?

I don't need to read fifty times about some game thread some other poster and his "taint" and "cock", etc. wanted to use.

This is a crock.

I'm sure I'll get slammed for this, but I don't give a damn. I look the other way on about 99 out of every 100 Diddy rants, but this thread is a damn shame. Its like he went out of his way to throw in a nugget about basketball in his constant personal insults, in order to make it seem like his intent was to discuss basketball, when it was clearly just to attack another poster over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

Enough already. Mods, please get to work.

Go back to RealGM. You seem like the perfect poster for Cow's board.

That's it?

Damn.

I expected MUCH worse.

So, nothing about my taint, then?

What a gyp.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/story/402927p-341273c.html


Pistons' Richard Hamilton was at the scorers table at the Garden, checking back into the game, when he asked how his alma mater, UConn, was faring vs. Albany. "Down 10,"came the reply. Hamilton entered the game, then promptly got ejected and ran back to the dressing room to catch the final minutes on TV as his Huskies recovered to avoid the huge upset.

Now that's school spirit.

LOL@Rip

Mad props.