Lebron James shot 28 freethrows tonight and Wade shot his usual 18 ft's in tonights game.

This game has gone down the shitter.

That is all.

The NBA hates the pistons [smilie=2thumbsup.g:

This is not the game I grew up watching.

I'm thinking of switching to college ball so I can see real physical play. I'm seriously over the NBA and their superstar riddled bullshit. They create superstars by changing the rules of the game to favor these douche-bags. If Wade played in the 80's that fucker wouldn't have been shit. Dumars would've abused the shit out of his no-jumpshot havin' ass.

"Ooooh, we changed the rules so scoring would go up like it used to be and the game will be so much more exciting!"

Translation: We're going to force everyone to watch freethrow shooting contests, because most NBA players today can't shoot for shit.

Every night you check the stats, somebody scored 40 points.

That used to make headlines back in the day. And NOBODY was fucking impressed if you did that shooting in the low 40% range.

And the sad thing is that most of these young kids who've only seen the post Jordan NBA, assume it's because today's NBA player is better than they used to be.

What a fucking joke.

I can now say in all honesty, that if the Pistons sucked, I wouldn't bother watching basketball anymore.

Call me old-fashioned, but this is not the competitve and amazing sport I grew up watching. This is fuckin Candyland.

This is not the game I grew up watching.

I'm thinking of switching to college ball so I can see real physical play. I'm seriously over the NBA and their superstar riddled bullshit. They create superstars by changing the rules of the game to favor these douche-bags. If Wade played in the 80's that fucker wouldn't have been shit. Dumars would've abused the shit out of his no-jumpshot havin' ass.

"Ooooh, we changed the rules so scoring would go up like it used to be and the game will be so much more exciting!"

Translation: We're going to force everyone to watch freethrow shooting contests, because most NBA players today can't shoot for shit.

Every night you check the stats, somebody scored 40 points.

That used to make headlines back in the day. And NOBODY was fucking impressed if you did that shooting in the low 40% range.

And the sad thing is that most of these young kids who've only seen the post Jordan NBA, assume it's because today's NBA player is better than they used to be.

What a fucking joke.

I can now say in all honesty, that if the Pistons sucked, I wouldn't bother watching basketball anymore.

Call me old-fashioned, but this is not the competitve and amazing sport I grew up watching. This is fuckin Candyland.

May seem like I'm full of shit, but I was thinking the exact same thing today. I've been watching NCAA all week, then watched the Pistons tonight at 6. I remember thinking multiple times that a bunch of pansies were out on the floor as compared to college.

Superstars suck.

You guys all know who we have to thank for this right?

You guys all know who we have to thank for this right?

terrorists?

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/dictators/saddam-hussein/grizzlyadams.jpg

Crab people?

http://www.spscriptorium.com/Season7/CrabPeople.jpg

Crab people, yeah. But you can basically blame Crab people for anything.

No, the guy I'm talking about wore number 23 for the Chicago Bulls.

Crab people, yeah. But you can basically blame Crab people for anything.

No, the guy I'm talking about wore number 23 for the Chicago Bulls.

Was that one of the main reasons?

Yes.

Was it his fault he was sooo goddamn good?

No.

Jordan was the best AND worst thing to ever happen to the NBA.

Now the league is trying their asses off to make another MJ, and every kid who touches a basketball freams of playing like him, but there's a problem with that:

NOBODY is Michael Jordan.

Kobe, Lebron, Wade, none of these guys can hold Jordan's jock-strap. It's a fucking joke.

Crab people, yeah. But you can basically blame Crab people for anything.

No, the guy I'm talking about wore number 23 for the Chicago Bulls.

Was that one of the main reasons?

Yes.

Was it his fault he was sooo goddamn good?

No.

Jordan was the best AND worst thing to ever happen to the NBA.

Now the league is trying their asses off to make another MJ, and every kid who touches a basketball freams of playing like him, but there's a problem with that:

NOBODY is Michael Jordan.

Kobe, Lebron, Wade, none of these guys can hold Jordan's jock-strap. It's a fucking joke.

Yack all you want about how the NBA has gone down the shitter, but the PROOF is right there in front of you:

It's called the Olympics.

"Real" basketball is still played throughout the world, as highlighted by the shit-flying-from-our-pants bronze performance the '04 put out -- a team that shoulda, coulda wiped the asses of et al with 50 grit sandpaper and laughed all the way to the gold. But Americans don't play "basketball" anymore... we play "streetball". And why? Ratings, endorsement deals, players with the IQ of a fork and an ego the size of Montana, not as many iconic coaches who can flip off a player while chowing with the owners while telling the media to fuck off.

And the world is laughing at us.

I don't watch non-Pistons games unless it's Dallas and San Antonio or something like that. I find other games really boring.

I don't watch non-Pistons games unless it's Dallas and San Antonio or something like that. I find other games really boring.I'm with you. I do enjoy college games though.

I don't watch non-Pistons games unless it's Dallas and San Antonio or something like that. I find other games really boring.I'm with you. I do enjoy college games though.
you're full of shit Mikey. you dick ride everything that is part of what has the game twisted.

Quit acting like you dont fall in love with kobe and every wannabe jordan out there man. [smilie=arnold.gif]

the NBA is just doing what they think middle class young people like Mikey want to see. Its shitty because IMO it doesnt matter. but it is what it is.

The scary part is that we are close to getting a generation of NBA players who grew up Jordan fans. Within 3-4 years most NBA players will have never see pre-Jordan NBA.

... and I've never seen Willis Reed, Oscar Roberston, Pete Maravich, Bob Cousey, or even Bill Russell play, but I know who they are and what they accomplished.

The players who are students of the game transcend time. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't start seeing some throwback players succeed in the Association sometime soon. A sorta backlash to the shit product we have now.

A major part of the problem is something that we've discussed ad nauseum NoQ.
The fuckin refs are garbage...so what does Stern do? He adds more fuckin rules
two years in a row and he tells refs to be more strict to open up the game.

It's not opening up SHIT! It's causing teams to have trouble ever getting hot
because the game is so fuckin slow. If you play defense and barely touch a guy
there's going to be a whistle. You can watch Suns/Sonics games and get excited
but the flipside is that nobody's guarding anyone. The main thing to consider here
is that with all of the bullshit whistles and the non existent whistles on offense for
our guys, the Detroit Pistons, it makes for a fucking frustrating night.

I'm sure that fans of other teams that play defense and go strong to the hoop are
stuck watching their team shoot retarded jumpshots in order to stay in the game.

Sad but true. (Wade just fell down again. Someone step on him like Marcus Vick.)

Teams trying to pick up the Pistons style of strong fundamentals and teamwork might end up being a good thing for the league.

The refs are garbage because of the way Stern has made the game. They are forced to treat superstars better. So, refs are set up to fail. They are applying double standards and favoritism. They call more stuff at home. Yes, the refs suck, but I think it's the system as well.

BTW, yet another player made by the superstar foul calls (though not for very long)...Jerry Stackhouse. I think he actually deserved most of his calls, but he's still a product of the way they call contact now. He'd shoot %30 and still score 30 because of his FT's.

I still love the NBA, but college Bball is just more fun to watch, I don't know why.

I still love the NBA, but college Bball is just more fun to watch, I don't know why.

The skank MSU cheerleaders...

Check out dem 5 o'clock shadow armpits.[smilie=arrgh.jpg]
http://www.msu.edu/~cheer/images/Chair.JPG

What a face. Note to self: Don't drink entire bottle of eightball before game..
http://www.crackpotpress.com/assets/images/ms_Ms_Cheer_mug_1GIRL.jpg

Ummm... what EXACTLY is the age limit for MSU cheer -- 82?
http://www.msu.edu/~cheer/images/table-top.JPG

Gimmie somadat 12 foot foam shlong, playa.
http://www.msu.edu/~cheer/images/sparty-kiss.JPG

Steve's favorite. Perfect size. Perfect age.
http://stevedanforth.com/files/0867/DSC005650600.jpg

I agree with MOLA. It's because of the refs. They are fucking strict and make the players seem like pussies. No contact is allowed. Dice touches a guy in the paint, foul. Ben out strengths Z for the board, foul. Everythings a fucking foul. This is why you'll see players like Wade getting +20 fts a game. It gets fucking annoying. If a hard foul is commited, you'll have some bitch player going crazy and throwing punches and shit. Something like the brawl. Stern doesnt want that shit to happen. Not so much because of the players getting hurt but he doesnt want to fuck up the NBA's image.

http://www.msu.edu/~cheer/images/sparty-kiss.JPG

I could park a car in her ass.


My new lifelong mission is to find this girl. http://images.facethejury.com/1/smiley_gamer.gif

Crab people, yeah. But you can basically blame Crab people for anything.

No, the guy I'm talking about wore number 23 for the Chicago Bulls.

Actually, Jordan is the product of the real reason- expansion. The NBA has made two mistakes-

1. Diluting the league
2. Hyping players over teams

Teams scored more in the 80s because each team had more talent and more guys that could make shots. Each team had 2-3 all star quality players (even the bad teams had decent players). The decision to go from 25-29 teams in 4 years killed that and by the mid 90s, teams were lucky to have 2 big players and teams with 3 or more dominated. (Pip, MJ and Rodman for one) Not only is this the time that Jordan truly began to shine, it's also when the NBA made the second mistake and started to die. Viewership in the early 90s had started to decrease a tad from the Magic/Bird era and they needed to do something to keep the exponential growth.

Seeing that Jordan was shining and instead of focusing on teams like they had done before and is one thing that makes the NFL so successful, they put the league on his shoulders and let him be the face of everything for them...and the NBA soared. What they didnt have the foresight to see is that one day he'd retire and now they have a league where it's fan are only interested in big names and big scorers. Since no one scores like MJ and the diluted talent has teams scoring 90 a game instead 105, they've had to change rules to decrease touch and thus the end of physical play and the start of tons of free throws and an attempt to create new stars that the masses would hop on...both have made the NBA a worse game.

So yeah, you can blame Jordan, but I choose to blame those that put him in that position and on that pedestal as the reason the NBA is suffering. Oh yeah and the refs that created the "Jordan treatment" that allowed him to score at will.

I don't know, guys.. it just seems elitist to me to have all these reasons to hate something that we all watch. If it was really that bad, wouldn't you actually turn it off?

Sure, I'd like to see 'team' basketball, perfectly called games by refs, and no more 'superstar' vs. 'superstar'.. but it's not going to happen. And when I get a game where Rip turns on a dime with .4 left and buries a team with a 12 footer, I forget all the crap that we have in today's NBA.

I could understand this argument coming out of a city without a team, let alone a successful one.. but let's not get so spoiled by today's Pistons that we become elistists.. I'm just as guilty as anyone else, but try not to lose sight. Personally, I live for the Pistons. The rest is just details. Call me a slappy.

I don't know, guys.. it just seems elitist to me to have all these reasons to hate something that we all watch. If it was really that bad, wouldn't you actually turn it off?

Sure, I'd like to see 'team' basketball, perfectly called games by refs, and no more 'superstar' vs. 'superstar'.. but it's not going to happen. And when I get a game where Rip turns on a dime with .4 left and buries a team with a 12 footer, I forget all the crap that we have in today's NBA.

I could understand this argument coming out of a city without a team, let alone a successful one.. but let's not get so spoiled by today's Pistons that we become elistists.. I'm just as guilty as anyone else, but try not to lose sight. Personally, I live for the Pistons. The rest is just details. Call me a slappy.

We watch the game because we love the game, I think some of the NBA just bothers us at times and as fans we can complain, doesn't mean we don't want to watch. At least in my case.

http://www.msu.edu/~cheer/images/sparty-kiss.JPG

I could park a car in her ass.


My new lifelong mission is to find this girl. http://images.facethejury.com/1/smiley_gamer.gif [smilie=applause.gi:

Oh yeah and the refs that created the "Jordan treatment" that allowed him to score at will.

Every professional sports league has a "Jordan treatment". You don't think Roger Clemens gets the calls, or Wayne Gretzky's personal thug Marty McSorely the non-calls? Star WR's get the phantom inches on gracious ball spots all the time.

I agree with the player emphasis -- to a degree. A buddy of mine was a huge Pippen fan, ergo, a Bulls fan as well. But, when Scottie shuffled off the Houston, and then Portland, the Bulls became an afterthought. Same with Shaq. Another friend of mine is a Shaq fan -- not a Lakers fan. When he moved to Miami, he became a Heat fan, regardless of the fact that he never cared for the team before.

But it's not like has never happened before.

Reggie Jackson is known throughout the world as a Yankee, but spent more time (including 3 world series titles) as an Athletic. Gretzky is seen as a King to recreational NHL fans, but had far greater success in Edmonton (how many Cups, again?). How about Wilt? Known as a Laker. But how many of his playing days were spent as a Warrior?

When there's big money involved, or players are viewed as iconic by the powers that be, the "team" always comes second. That's what makes college hoops so great -- at the very most you'll have a player 4 years, a core nucleus even less. The teams are always changing, and the anticipation of stud freshmen growing into their own keeps fans coming back for more. So, the team (or "program") has precident over individuals.

This is why, though I'm a Laker fan at heart, the Pistons are such a great team. They don't have the typecast "superstar" -- they have great players who play well together. They are a formula from the days of old. I remember the Laker starting "six" from the mid 80's -- Jabbar, Johnson, Worthy, Scott, Cooper, Rambis (had to throw Rambis in there). They all played roles, and excelled at them. A team does not require a handful of superstars to elevate, simply role players who do what they're supposed to do night in and night out and one star who's there for you with the game on the line.

Maybe the problem is HOW the NBA pimps their players these days, with heavy emphasis on scoring and excitement, and less on fundamentals. Duncan is the king of the bank shot, but bank shots are boring. I fully believe if he hadn't won those two titles, the NBA wouldn't give a flying fuck about him. But, as a champion, they cannot ignore him. Same goes for Hakeem. Without those back-to-back titles in the mid 80's, he would not have been placed on such a high pedestal (or, was he ever?). Still, IMO, the best all-around big man in the history of the Association.. but broken English and a difficult name for some to pronounce, as well as a semi-exciting style of play. If Olajuwon (did I spell it right?) played like his potential heir apparent, Amare Stoudamire (another big man with a complete inside/outside game), we'd be speaking of him with the same tone of greatness as MJ.

Oh, and where'd all of those Yao Ming commercials go? Guess his style of play ain't what the Association had in mind.

Crab people, yeah. But you can basically blame Crab people for anything.

No, the guy I'm talking about wore number 23 for the Chicago Bulls.

Actually, Jordan is the product of the real reason- expansion. The NBA has made two mistakes-

1. Diluting the league
2. Hyping players over teams

Teams scored more in the 80s because each team had more talent and more guys that could make shots. Each team had 2-3 all star quality players (even the bad teams had decent players). The decision to go from 25-29 teams in 4 years killed that and by the mid 90s, teams were lucky to have 2 big players and teams with 3 or more dominated. (Pip, MJ and Rodman for one) Not only is this the time that Jordan truly began to shine, it's also when the NBA made the second mistake and started to die. Viewership in the early 90s had started to decrease a tad from the Magic/Bird era and they needed to do something to keep the exponential growth.

Seeing that Jordan was shining and instead of focusing on teams like they had done before and is one thing that makes the NFL so successful, they put the league on his shoulders and let him be the face of everything for them...and the NBA soared. What they didnt have the foresight to see is that one day he'd retire and now they have a league where it's fan are only interested in big names and big scorers. Since no one scores like MJ and the diluted talent has teams scoring 90 a game instead 105, they've had to change rules to decrease touch and thus the end of physical play and the start of tons of free throws and an attempt to create new stars that the masses would hop on...both have made the NBA a worse game.

So yeah, you can blame Jordan, but I choose to blame those that put him in that position and on that pedestal as the reason the NBA is suffering. Oh yeah and the refs that created the "Jordan treatment" that allowed him to score at will.

Didn't MJ constantly bitch and complain about the tough defense the Bad Boys played on him? I always thought the rules changed because of that. I could be wrong...

Crab people, yeah. But you can basically blame Crab people for anything.

No, the guy I'm talking about wore number 23 for the Chicago Bulls.

Actually, Jordan is the product of the real reason- expansion. The NBA has made two mistakes-

1. Diluting the league
2. Hyping players over teams

Teams scored more in the 80s because each team had more talent and more guys that could make shots. Each team had 2-3 all star quality players (even the bad teams had decent players). The decision to go from 25-29 teams in 4 years killed that and by the mid 90s, teams were lucky to have 2 big players and teams with 3 or more dominated. (Pip, MJ and Rodman for one) Not only is this the time that Jordan truly began to shine, it's also when the NBA made the second mistake and started to die. Viewership in the early 90s had started to decrease a tad from the Magic/Bird era and they needed to do something to keep the exponential growth.

Seeing that Jordan was shining and instead of focusing on teams like they had done before and is one thing that makes the NFL so successful, they put the league on his shoulders and let him be the face of everything for them...and the NBA soared. What they didnt have the foresight to see is that one day he'd retire and now they have a league where it's fan are only interested in big names and big scorers. Since no one scores like MJ and the diluted talent has teams scoring 90 a game instead 105, they've had to change rules to decrease touch and thus the end of physical play and the start of tons of free throws and an attempt to create new stars that the masses would hop on...both have made the NBA a worse game.

So yeah, you can blame Jordan, but I choose to blame those that put him in that position and on that pedestal as the reason the NBA is suffering. Oh yeah and the refs that created the "Jordan treatment" that allowed him to score at will.

Didn't MJ constantly bitch and complain about the tough defense the Bad Boys played on him? I always thought the rules changed because of that. I could be wrong...

They didn't stop the Pistons from beating up people, they just wouldn't let them beat up MJ anymore.

I just have the bad feeling that we're in for a repeat performance of the conference finals last year where the refs actually went out of their way to protect Wade.

The time where Wade ran into a stationary Sheed, fell over, the ref started to call a foul on Wade, saw that it was Wade, which would have been his 5th foul and proceeded to reverse the call to a charge on Sheed. That literally made me walk out of the room.

I just have the bad feeling that we're in for a repeat performance of the conference finals last year where the refs actually went out of their way to protect Wade.

The time where Wade ran into a stationary Sheed, fell over, the ref started to call a foul on Wade, saw that it was Wade, which would have been his 5th foul and proceeded to reverse the call to a charge on Sheed. That literally made me walk out of the room.

That is the ONLY reason why Miami is the only team I'm afraid of playing in the playoffs this year.

I'd also be slightly afraid of San Antonio since Ginobili flops all the fucking time.

I'd also be slightly afraid of San Antonio since Ginobili flops all the fucking time.

I agree.