Sheed's 3 T's have offically been rescinded.

He stands at 12 techs now.

Sheed's 3 T's have offically been rescinded.

He stands at 12 techs now.

You have a link?

Thats pretty tight if it is so.

can someone recap the past three? which games they were in and which situation?

i know one was the infamous laughing one.

Somebody over on MLive mentioned it(heard it on DFN), but I considered the source there. The other one I remember iwas in the Chicago game where the refs thought he intentionally tried to elbow somebody(Deng or Hinrich) when he was obviously fighting for the ball sorta deal.

As well as rescinding these tech's, the league needs to come down one the referees a little bit. They are getting tech happy lately, reasoning that they give out a pre-emptive tech or two and shut our guys up and it affects our game overall, aggressiveness and such, as well as getting into our heads.

this is fantastic validation for all the "complaining" that the players have been doing. the league is basically saying that the refs were overzealous and screwed us.

i've got to imagine that refs are going to be a bit slower to blow the whistles (for techs at least) after this.

This news will be to the disappointment of those that complain that the Pistons whine too much to refs.

If this is ture, I can't believe they would have already reviewed Sheeds laughing tech from last night. Maybe he has another yet to be knocked off.

Also comforting is that everybody's sleight will be wiped clean come play-off time, and seven tech will be the magic number before suspension. Now Sheed did have nine techs last year, but you have to hope that he'll be a little more aware. Hopefully we'd breeze through the first couple of rounds and there would be no reason for Sheed to get T'd up, saving his quota for the Conference and League finals.

Sheed gets techs for being animated. If Jim Carrey played ball he'd lead the league.

the playoffs shouldn't have restrictions. That's punishing teams for being good. It could be exploited by an underdog team and it really shouldn't be apart of the game.

And taking away technicals questions the authority of the refs. It's dumb because if they are going to take away some techs and question a refs decision, then why should be a player have any consequences what so ever for doing the same thing?

I agree with the play-off sentiment. Teams getting swept out or on the verge of being so could start pressing buttons and such of certain players. This is why we need HCA in the finals - no referee who wants to live will give Rasheed his seventh tech in game six sorta deal...

i don't know about 3 T's being rescinded.

it was official news though, before the laughing T, that Sheed had 14 Ts, had one rescinded by the league to make it 13. Out the the 13, only 12 count for game suspension purpose, since one of them was for hanging on the rim.

there's a link for this in some other thread, but i'm lazy to dig it up.

now that they are saying 3 rescinded, i guess all it means is the laughing T is waived.

This news will be to the disappointment of those that complain that the Pistons whine too much to refs.
Yep. But fuck em. Scott Skiles says fuck us if we get hosed on an obvious call about the ball not going in the hoop.

I heard it on the way to School on WDFN also. Great news. Fuck the zebras.

I wonder if Jack Niese recieves punishment?

I know sheed has a bad rep and the refs are really quick to give him T's...that much is understood, but the Pistons have really been complaining about calls a lot. It starts with Ben. I wish flip would say something to him.

LMAO AT SLASHERS SIG

i kno sheed has a bad rep and the refs are really quick to give him T's. that much is understood... but the pistons have really been complaining about calls a lot. it starts with ben. i wish flip would say somethin to him.
No more than the next team from what i've seen. But it gets called out a lil more because of Sheed. Nobody ever called us whiners until Sheed made espn with his emotional responses. It stands out, though in the end its nothing more than the next guy. Kevin garnett argues just as much if not more. but he has no rep.

Ben is the guy who probably deserves to complain because he is constantly getting mauled in the low post. You watch him down low and he's always getting held or pushed, hacked or something.

Dyess can bitch too because he gets ZERO respect from the referees, he gets called for tickytack fouls and the ref swallows the whistle when he gets obviously fouled.

I wish Sheed would rein it in a bit, but he is who he is. Billups isn't bad either, he usually only bitches with cause. Hamilton and Tay are the two that bother me - they just look so pathetic when they are whining/arguing.

Listen, everyone bitches to the officals. Everyone just wants to make a big deal about it because we're the best, and we have Sheed on our team. Its as simple as that. People think because we're the best, that we have no reason to bitch and moan. To tell the truth, the way these games are called, 95% of the time, the pistons have a legit beef. These guys are trying to not only win every game, but every possession. Excuse them for caring so much. Hey, we could be a team like the knicks, going nowhere, and players not giving a shit.

Ben is the guy who probably deserves to complain because he is constantly getting mauled in the low post. You watch him down low and he's always getting held or pushed, hacked or something.

Dyess can bitch too because he gets ZERO respect from the referees, he gets called for tickytack fouls and the ref swallows the whistle when he gets obviously fouled.

I wish Sheed would rein it in a bit, but he is who he is. Billups isn't bad either, he usually only bitches with cause. Hamilton and Tay are the two that bother me - they just look so pathetic when they are whining/arguing.


Yeah, Tay pisses me off when he bitches and moans. You're not going to get calls when you stand in the corner all game, and then on 1 or 2 plays you decide to drive and make a little contact. Just not going to happen buddy. Drive the lane more often and watch your FT attempts sky rocket.

RIP's a jump shooter. Sometimes he goes into the lane and gets nailed with out a call. He usually has good reasons to complain.

By A. Sherrod Blakely
DENVER -- OK, OK. We get it now. The Detroit Pistons whine about every foul called against them, and NBA officials are sick and tired of hearing it.

They can't make the Pistons shut up, so their way of trying to mute the complaints is to assess the Pistons with as many technical fouls as possible, even if it means calling one or two stupid ones just to make a point.

To say that officials have not made this personal is to ignore the obvious. Even players on other teams have noticed how officials are treating the Pistons different lately. During Detroit's 90-78 win against Cleveland on Sunday, the Cavaliers' LeBron James had a brief conversation with Pistons head coach Flip Saunders and told him, "The refs think they're bigger than the game."

Uh, yeah.

They want to re-establish their control over the game by trying to make the Pistons whine less. Memo to officials: This is not the way to do it.

A better approach would be for officials to pull Pistons co-captains Chauncey Billups and Ben Wallace aside before a game, and tell them that the team's incessant griping about calls will not be tolerated. By doing that, officials would exert control of the situation while also showing Detroit the kind of respect all NBA teams deserve.

Some would say what officials are doing now is establishing their control of the game, but the truth is, it only shows how out of control they really are.

When a referee calls a technical foul on a player for laughing after he was fouled, which was the case against Rasheed Wallace on Monday, it brings an official's credibility to do the job without bias, into question. The fact that the league rescinded that technical on Tuesday only strengthens that point.

That's why the Pistons now approach games feeling that they won't get a fair shake from the very people whose job it is to be fair and impartial.

Don't get me wrong, the Pistons are by no means innocent in all this.

They do grumble about more calls than most teams. And Wallace is at the top of that list. He's an emotional player who has a tendency to overreact to fouls called against him, and has never shied away from letting officials know that. Lately, it seems a number of his teammates have followed Wallace's lead down this potentially dangerous path.

Even the usually mellow Saunders has gotten into the technical act, prompting his mother to tell him before Monday's game in Cleveland, "Whatever you do, don't get a technical."

The technicals are definitely something the Pistons are concerned about, but not for reasons you might imagine.

The likelihood that Wallace is going to be suspended for a game or two because of too many technicals (once a player receives his 16th technical of the season, suspensions begin) seems inevitable. But what's more disturbing to the Pistons has to be that Wallace is no longer the only player being targeted by officials. When mild-mannered players like Tayshaun Prince and Antonio McDyess start getting technicals, you know something isn't right.

All of this has only reinforced the Pistons' "us-against-the-world" mindset that they have thrived on for years.

"Every night we're expecting it," Wallace said. "We just have to go out there and defeat the odds like we have been doing."

It's not a coincidence that they have picked up at least one technical foul in their last six games, and have won each of those games by an average of 10.2 points per game.

Technical fouls have a way of lulling some teams into being less aggressive. But it only makes the Pistons play harder.

They have been through too much the past couple of years to let a few technicals derail their goal, which is to get back to the NBA Finals.

"We're still going to go out there and be us," Wallace said. "We're not gonna change for nobody, no matter how bad we feel as though we getting cheated. We still gotta go out there and hoop."

A. Sherrod Blakely can be reached at sherrodb@aol.com or mlive.com/forums/pistons.

its in the free press this morning.

2 taken away cause the refs are fucking morons.
1 taken away for hanging on the rim, probably another case of the ref being a moron.

speaking of techs, how did gooden not get a tech on that dunk he had in the 3rd/4th quarter? He had nobody within 5 feet of him and he did a chin-up on the rim. we've gotten T's for far less on dunks.

Agreed. I said the same thing when I saw it.

Agreed. I said the same thing when I saw it.
rim hanging has been out of control for a minute. i was more surprised that they did call the one on sheed.



They do grumble about more calls than most teams.
See that statement is bs IMO. They do not, but it gets noticed more. In fact the team whining the most right now IMO is the Heat. Its amazing how all someone has to do is accuse you of whining and suddenly the Pistons are the Whiners of the league and the lakers, heat, pacers, and so on are just arguing a couple calls.

Does Jack Nies tan?

speaking of techs, how did gooden not get a tech on that dunk he had in the 3rd/4th quarter? He had nobody within 5 feet of him and he did a chin-up on the rim. we've gotten T's for far less on dunks.


Holy shit, I thought the same thing.

http://start.officiating.com/images/photos/nies.jpg

See that statement is bs IMO. They do not, but it gets noticed more. In fact the team whining the most right now IMO is the Heat. Its amazing how all someone has to do is accuse you of whining and suddenly the Pistons are the Whiners of the league and the lakers, heat, pacers, and so on are just arguing a couple calls.

that worried me the most. the perception that a guy like Skiles was creating. by saying it publically, the perception becomes reality. then every moment gets noticed by refs, opposing players, opposing coaches, opposing fans, etc.

it's just like watching your team getting "screwed" by the refs in any given game. every fan will watch a game and notice every single missed call on THEIR side. of course they won't notice all times when their player gets away with something.

All of this has only reinforced the Pistons' "us-against-the-world" mindset that they have thrived on for years.

"Every night we're expecting it," Wallace said. "We just have to go out there and defeat the odds like we have been doing."


hahaha. Everybody else in the NBA better watch their asses now. When we're feeling disrespected.... forget about it. Knowing these Pistons, they'll bitch MORE about calls, while winning, just to throw it in everybody's faces.

Regarding techs into the playoffs:


John (Chicago): Are the Pistons going to contest any of the technicals against Rasheed Wallace? I think it's bunk how a lot of the refs single Rasheed out. They need to focus on doing their job. They are clearly out to get him.

Marc Stein: Yes. Teams do contest Ts occasionally and one team exec told me that Ts are rescinded (but not announced as such) roughly 10-to-15 percent of the time. With 'Sheed at 13 Ts for the season, meaning he's three away from a one-game suspension, I'm sure the Pistons will protest against anything protest-able.

Furthermore: 'Sheed's T count is obviously, eventually going to cost Detroit its streak of starting the same five guys every game, since I highly doubt he can make it through the rest of the year getting only two more. You also have to wonder how many one-game suspensions he'll get . . . and how that might impact Detroit's ability to hold off Dallas and San Antonio for the best record in the league and home-court advantage in the Finals. One-game suspensions, remember, follow No. 16, No. 18, No. 20, etc. The good news? 'Sheed's T slate IS wiped clean before the playoffs. However . . . a new T count DOES start in the playoffs and one-game suspensions start when you get your seventh T. Can 'Sheed stop himself at six Ts in the postseason?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime

I don't see the postseason being a problem for him. He won't get 7 T's in the postseason.

But it would be a shame to lose the staring 5 streak to a lowsy T.

I believe he accumulated nine during last years run...

well, i think knowing about the penalties is enough for him to not pick up the 7th. I'm sure he doesn't care about it in the regular season, but he'll keep his cool when it means suspension in the playoffs. And even if he gets a 7th for something stupid (like laughing), the league will not suspend him for it. He would have to merit the T to get one in the playoffs IMO.

well, i think knowing about the penalties is enough for him to not pick up the 7th. I'm sure he doesn't care about it in the regular season, but he'll keep his cool when it means suspension in the playoffs. And even if he gets a 7th for something stupid (like laughing), the league will not suspend him for it. He would have to merit the T to get one in the playoffs IMO.

I agree. I just hope we have a cakewalk or two for the first couple of rounds so he doesn't pick up any early. I also figure that referees will let a helluva lot more "go" before handing out tech's in the play-offs. Before they didn't care because accumulation didn't matter and they used them to shut up Sheed more than him actually deserving it - they better not use that tactic this play-off.

Also teams seem to have their hate on towards the Pistons this season, should we get Chicago or Cleveland in the first round, what's to stop Nocioni or Ilgauskas from cheapshotting Sheed to get a reaction??

There should be a difference between bitching at the referee tech's and tangling with the opposition tech's.

It's all well and good that the unwarranted tech's get rescinded, but they shouldn't happen in the first place. Sheed playing with one tech is a different Rasheed than if he was playing with none afterall.

It's all well and good that the unwarranted tech's get rescinded, but they shouldn't happen in the first place. Sheed playing with one tech is a different Rasheed than if he was playing with none afterall.
Exactly. And the Sheed with a tech usually is more efficient. Why the hell couldn't they just blow a T on him every game, and have it rescinded every time? [smilie=arnold.gif]