I thought we could take a look around the league and see what PGs/combo guards might get released by their teams before the March 1st deadline.

We're obviously talking about guys in the last year of their deals on non-playoff teams for the most part. But there could be some young players let go from fringe playoff teams if they need to free up a spot to sign a big or a different FA.

I did a quick scan and came up with a few names.

Tony Delk (ATL)
Qyntel Woods (NYK)
Darrick Martin (TOR)
Jermaine Jackson (MIL)
Jannero Pargo (CHI)
Reece Gaines (MIL)
Royal Ivey (ATL)
Donnell Taylor (WAS)
David Wesley (HOU)
Jon Barry (HOU)
Rick Brunson (SEA)
Mike Wilks (SEA)

If someone wants to do a similar thread for unsigned free agents, that might be a good idea too.

If all those guys are PG's, I am Tayshaun Prince.

Tony Delk (ATL)
Qyntel Woods (NYK)
Darrick Martin (TOR)
Jermaine Jackson (MIL)
Jannero Pargo (CHI)
Reece Gaines (MIL)
Royal Ivey (ATL)
Donnell Taylor (WAS)
David Wesley (HOU)
Jon Barry (HOU)
Rick Brunson (SEA)
Mike Wilks (SEA)

The only player I would be interested in is Wesley.

wesley or delk, imo.

If all those guys are PG's, I am Tayshaun Prince.


I thought we could take a look around the league and see what veteran PGs/combo guards might get released by their teams before the March 1st deadline.

I had to take the word "combo" out of the thread title because it was truncating.

we need a pg not a combo guy, because in reality most guards are combo guards.

though i see what you are saying now.

"Potential guards cut by 3/1"

Oh and I agree with Chris.

isnt pargo a poor mans arroyo?

"Potential guards cut by 3/1"

Oh and I agree with Chris.

Fucking show off.

Also, Pargo can shoot.

First we need to get word to Dumars that they don't have to be on the Pistons before March 1st, as he apparently believes it to be judging from his explaination he gave to the 1130 WDFN host yesterday morning.

Two names that were mentioned by Flip or Joe were Anthony Goldwire(again) and Howard Eisley.

From names on this list - Wesley, Pargo, and Delk in that order. Though Delk is the only player I could see get waived. Houston and chicago still see themselves making a run at the play-offs.

I still want a look at Jay Williams.

Tony Delk (ATL)
Qyntel Woods (NYK)
Darrick Martin (TOR)
Jermaine Jackson (MIL)
Jannero Pargo (CHI)
Reece Gaines (MIL)
Royal Ivey (ATL)
Donnell Taylor (WAS)
David Wesley (HOU)
Jon Barry (HOU)
Rick Brunson (SEA)
Mike Wilks (SEA)

I agree with Taymelo.

Most here know that I have man-love for Jon Barry, and he would be very good in Flip's offense IMO (if he could ever get on the floor, that is).

Grant Hill

Two names that were mentioned by Flip or Joe were Anthony Goldwire(again) and Howard Eisley.

I still want a look at Jay Williams.

That's why I was thinking an unsigned FA thread might be good.

Go to it Kilo.

I didn't do it myself because there was one guy that should probably be listed that I couldn't even bring myself to type his name.

And I really hope that Joe D just misspoke the other day on the radio when he said that we needed to have a guy signed by March 1, and that he actually doesn't think that is the rule.

Grant Hill

I know you are probably joking, and you probably know this as well, but for the benefit of those that don't, Hill's got another year on his deal left after this season.

EDIT: http://wtfdetroit.com/viewtopic.php?t=1349

Is Jon Barry hurt or something? NOt sure why he would be cut.

Barry's not injured right now, he's back.

Teams cut guys at this point in the year for a lot of reasons, especially when they fall out of the playoff race.

Maybe they have a young player they want to look at and they need the roster spot, maybe the vet goes to them and asks for his release so he can catch on with a playoff team, etc.

The problem I see this year is that there is a lot of mediocrity or parity outside of the elite teams and teams in nineth or tenth spot right now can still see themselves making a run at the play-offs. I don't think a bad week would change that either.

The problem I have with JB is that we already have a JB that is younger and can dunk (Delfino). JB might be a slightly better 3 point shooter still, but his PG skills are basically the same as Delfino really. And Delfino plays better defense.

I like JB, but Delfino can provide the same things, plus defense.

The problem I have with JB is that we already have a JB that is younger and can dunk (Delfino). JB might be a slightly better 3 point shooter still, but his PG skills are basically the same as Delfino really. And Delfino plays better defense.

I like JB, but Delfino can provide the same things, plus defense.

I agree somewhat, but Delfino can't play backup PG, backup SF and backup SG all at the same time.


(and I'll still take JB's 3 point shot over Carlos')

The problem I have with JB is that we already have a JB that is younger and can dunk (Delfino). JB might be a slightly better 3 point shooter still, but his PG skills are basically the same as Delfino really. And Delfino plays better defense.

I like JB, but Delfino can provide the same things, plus defense.

slightly? JB can knock down open shots like their is no tomorrow and bring back some emotion to our bench that sleep walks around.

Jon Barry would bring the "Alternatorz" attitude back to our bench - that's for certain. He and Sheed would probably be a laugh riot as well.

Delfino started out the year shooting 1-14 on three pointers (taking one a game in 5 minutes of action, maybe.

Since then he is 11-24 for %46. In games he plays more than 10 minutes, he shoots %53 from threes. He doesn't have the longevity or track record of Barry, but he's shooting the rock pretty darn well when he is part of the rotation.

Barry is still shooting %37.5 from threes, so he's no slouch.

Basically I think it comes down to PG skills. Do you think Barry has better PG skills than Delfino? That's debatable. While he's a great shooter, I think we all remember his shoot from the hip mentality. He frequently jacked up shots early in the clock and outside the offensive set. I don't know how he'd do here in Flip's system. If he ran the plays, and took open shots, he'd be great. If he freelanced, then he might not work.

While he's a great shooter, I think we all remember his shoot from the hip mentality. He frequently jacked up shots early in the clock and outside the offensive set. I don't know how he'd do here in Flip's system. If he ran the plays, and took open shots, he'd be great. If he freelanced, then he might not work.

That is Flip's system isn't it?

I'm kidding (sort of).

That's sheed and Billups at times, yes. But actually Sheed shoots most of his off picks, so less of his are freelance.

From Blakley's Blog -

Friday, February 24, 2006

Analyzing the possible Tony Delk addition
Although nothing can be done on Detroit's part until the Atlanta hawks waive him, Tony Delk appears to be the guy they want.

This will be yet another great move on the part of Joe D., who would be adding a veteran who has all the qualities they would want in another guard.

He can score, is a pretty decent defender, and definitely won't be overwhelmed by being around great players.

People forget that this is the same kid who played on a Kentucky team where the entire starting five featured first-round picks or guys who spent several years in the NBA.

I was around that team when they made their championship run. Delk wasn't the most talented guy on that team, but he was the glue of that unit. He was the guy, frankly, that stood head and shoulders above the rest in terms of being mentally strong.

If you want to play for this Pistons team, mental toughness is an absolute necessity.

Of course, Detroit will give consideration to some other guards out there, like Detroit native Howard Eisley and Anthony Goldwire, who played nine games for the Pistons last year.

But in the end, I really believe they'll wind up with Delk who may be the final piece in what's shaping up like another championship run.

That's about the best possible outcome right about now.

Thanks Key.

Glenn, if they end up with Delk what is you opinion of the Darko trade?

I'll have to re-assess with an open mind after I see him play a game or two.

Adding a solid rotation player is what I was looking for in exchange for Darko. For Darko and Arroyo, I'd like a really solid rotation player.

So I'd like to see if that is what Delk is or not.

Career stats: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3086/career;_ylt=ArsPY1RuKka9IqXuxYP0IKqkvLYF

I'll be happy if we can get Delk. what are the seroius chances of atlanta waiving him though?

Considering Delk has played in one game for them, a whopping seven minutes at that and that he is an expiring deal(no trade fodder anymore) and a veteran, I think it is seen as pretty much a sure thing. They probably kept him for his contract up until the deadline, now he is really nothing to them.

My question would be if Miami could claim him off waivers with their remaining MLE? I don't believe they can, but I'm not sure.

Wasn't Delk the guy who dropped 50 points a couple of seasons ago ? [smilie=huh.gif]

edit: Tony Delk had a 53-point game against Sacramento almost four years ago exactly (1/2/01). [smilie=2thumbsup.g:

Look at his assist averages - dude is a shooter and nothing else. If we need scoring, Billups will be on the floor sorta deal in my opinion. I guess he is insurance should Billups go down for a couple of games...

Why hasn't he played all year for Atlanta?? Royal Ivey is better than he is?? I understand Johnson and Lue are in front of him, but Ivey??

I really don't care if we get him or not, however it should appease those who want a replacement for Arroyo because Cato is better than Milicic and Delk is probably a better fit for this team as a back-up pg.

Look at his assist averages - dude is a shooter and nothing else. If we need scoring, Billups will be on the floor sorta deal in my opinion. I guess he is insurance should Billups go down for a couple of games...

Why hasn't he played all year for Atlanta?? Royal Ivey is better than he is?? I understand Johnson and Lue are in front of him, but Ivey??

I really don't care if we get him or not, however it should appease those who want a replacement for Arroyo because Cato is better than Milicic and Delk is probably a better fit for this team as a back-up pg.

We had a "pass-first" guy, and it didn't work. IMO, we need a guy who can get his own shot on occassion, dump it into Dice, and hit Rip coming off curls. IMO, he's like a younger Lindsey with good ankles (Back when Lindsey could shoot). Getting Delk is 100% better than getting no one.

BTW, Ivey is playing over Delk because they are just playing guys that will be there in the future. Look at their lineup. The only guys they play are in the 20-25 range. Al Harrington is the "Veteran" of their top 8-9 players, and he just turned 26.

THE ANSWER IS JON BARRY.

considering Lindsey contributed NOTHING to offense and apparently Flip is too stupid to realize you shouldnt play Ben and Hunter at the same time, Delk being a shooter may not be a bad thing.

As a few Pistons' media outlets have pointed out, Lindsey Hunter is recovering from an ankle surgery and the flu. I'm going to give him a few more games until I evaluate him.

The one thing I like about Delk the most is that he is in the Chauncey mold. With Arroyo, he was a very different point guard than Chauncey. He was really a change of pace guy. So when things were going smoothly on offense and Flip gave Chauncey a breather and put Arroyo in, things would come to a halt. The only times I wanted Arroyo to check in were when things were going badly offensively and we needed that change of pace. But that scenario has been rare this year as things couldn't be going much better offensively. There will definitely be a little dropoff from when Delk comes in for Chauncey, but he should be able to carry over our offensive momentum.

I considered Delk a risk when we were talking about trading for him because he hasn't played all year and we would be paying him $3 million while giving up another player and maybe a pick in return. But since we're just going to give him a minimum deal it's not a risk at all. We would have nothing to lose by this and a lot to gain.

I tend to think that Joe has something like this planned because I was shocked when we didn't pick up a point guard at the deadline. I mean, Acker is a decent prospect and could turn out to be a good player in this league, but you don't rely on rookies when you are a Championship contending team, unless it's Tim Duncan or something extreme like that. And Lindsey is a big question mark right now with his health, age, and what he's got left in the tank. So it was suprising to see Joe pick up nobody.

I do like the idea of playing Delfino at the point some. It works in some situations, but definitely not all. He can bring the ball up the court, but he isn't the guy I'd want breaking presses (which I suppose many teams would try to do against him), and he seems to be most effective setting up teammates from the wings and corners. However, he would provide matchup problems for the opposition if he played the 1 and he has better court vision than any of our backup point guards. The one thing I would worry about defensively. But, Mo Evans defends point guards really well. He has struggled against the swingmen in this league, but he has been known to shut down scorers at that position. So if we played Delfino at the 1, we should play Evans at the 2 with Rip or Tay out there. It can't be part of a "regular" rotation, but it's something we should try from time to time.

Delk was waived today according to the official Atlanta Hawks site - http://www.nba.com/hawks/news/Delk_022406.html

I assume we make a move for him if he clears waivers. Tere is a couple teams that could step up and grab him, Atlanta and Charlotte have room under the cap but have no use for him, however Chicago, Houston, Memphis, Minnesota, Philadelphia, Phoenix and Toronto.
have TE's that could be used to snag him sorta deal. Chicago has enough pg's, as does Houston. Philly will add Willie Green if anybody, TO will not grab the vet to a shitty team - I'd say the same for Minnesota but with Hudson done for the year you never know. I think Memphis and PHX are possibilities PHX will alwyas take shooters, though I don't think they'll have any interest unless a Western rival was looking to land him. Memphis had Bobby Jackson and Chucky Atkins, they could cockblock I guess, but I don't think West would do that sort of thing to a vet.

Keep our fingers crossed I guess. Joe Dumars probably talked to Atlanta reguarding Milicic, and probably talked about Delk and their plans for him sort of deal.

Will anybody better be released?? A lot can happen between now and March 1st afterall. I would have rather saw Delk released closer to the deadline sorta deal.

Great news there. I can't imagine him signing anywhere but here.


Does this deserve its own thread?

How's Delk with the pick and roll - McDyess needs that to be effective offensively.

Dice can be effective without the pick and roll. He's got a real nice post game but Flip seems to have a dislike for shots inside 15ft.

Dice can be effective without the pick and roll. He's got a real nice post game but Flip seems to have a dislike for shots inside 15ft.
I agree. That fadeaway jumper from the post was almost unstoppable last year. Dice has seemed to lost confidence in that shot because they never go to him there any more. He has turned into a pure jumpshooter.

Taking away Flip's precious pick and pop will be great for Dice. He is much better just working in the post on his own than getting those 19 footers from pick and pops.

Tony Delk seems finished in my head, however he's all of 32 years old(just turned recently) basically a year older than Ben, Rasheed and McDyess. How can we be depending on those 31 yr olds and think Delk is finished. I think he aged in basketball years because he played on a terrible team. Just like playing on a bad team can make you look, feel and play older, playing for a contender can be the fountain of youth.

considering Lindsey contributed NOTHING to offense and apparently Flip is too stupid to realize you shouldnt play Ben and Hunter at the same time, Delk being a shooter may not be a bad thing.
We werent scoring the the first place so it worked out better than it did with arroyo because we atleast had defense.

Sonics just waived Rick Brunson

http://www.denverpost.com/nuggets/ci_3564390


Nuggets to sign Eisley

The Nuggets could have 12th-year guard Howard Eisley in the lineup tonight. The team plans to sign the free agent to a 10-day contract.

"I feel good about the situation," Eisley said. "They've made a couple of deals I think that's helped improve their team."

Eisley averaged 0.7 points in 13 games with the Los Angeles Clippers, who released him in January. For his career, he has averaged 6.6 points and made 35.1 percent of his 3-point attempts.

"He fills a dual role of a third point guard and a perimeter shooter who's had experience in two NBA Finals and as much playoff experience as anyone on the team," said agent Dan Fegan, who now represents five Nuggets.

The Nuggets also considered picking up Wesley Person, Fred Hoiberg or Jon Barry, among others.