This might make Taymelo happy, which of course, is my goal in life.

Put your "phony, make believe, never going to happen, waste of time" Darko trades here.




I'd take Jarett Jack, Paterson and a pick for Darko and Arroyo I think. Haven't seen Jack in the pros, but I liked him out of college.


Sucko for Brevin Knight and a pick



I'd do Darko & Arroyo for Knight, Jumaine Jones (backup for Tay, expiring deal) and a future 1st.



Blake or Dixon/pick for Darko/Arroyo I would think about.


I could see Cato and an unprotected 1st

or

Cato and Nelson

or

a combo of those in a three way deal where we send Cato and his expiring deal somewhere for a PG

or

Cato and some premium Amway products


I'd definitely trade Darko, Arroyo, and Minnesota's 2nd rounder for Cato, Nelson, and a top 3 protected first rounder. I wonder if Orlando would.


Here, Kilo is already trading Cato...

How about Ruben Patterson?? The guy has his off-court issues(Nanny...registered sex offender), but he's intense as hell on the court and a very physical defender. Is Portland really looking to trade him and what would it take?? Are they looking for a salary dump? Cato and Evans for Patterson and fodder??


WTFChris follows suit...

I would also send Cato and Evans for Eric Williams just to spell Tay some on defense.

If Darko, Evans, Arroyo and a first can net us Nelson, orlando's first and Eric Williams that would be great.

We all take Darko and Arroyo's actual value and increase it by 300% in our own minds.

We aren't going to get anything remotely close to what we think their value is on the trade market.

Cowology* mentioned an RJ for Prince and Darko trade, and I myself wouldn't turn that down.

*I know how cool Cowology is though.

I'll take any of the above

Darko for a gift certificate to Best Buy. How much? I'm willing to haggle....

How rediculous do you want to make this?

Are we talking Darko and Evans for Lebron here?

How rediculous do you want to make this?

Are we talking Darko and Evans for Lebron here?

If you want to attach your name to that deal that's fine with me. lol

I didn't mean that these would be totally crazy, off-the-wall ideas, I just meant that what we post here really doesn't have much of a chance to actually happen.

Does that help?

We HAVE to have Cato dealt elsewhere already if we make rumored Cato and unprotected pick for Arroyo and Milicic. I don't think Dumars will do that because it actually weakens us this year and that can't be his goal.

Some will say ridding Arroyo and Milicic is addition by subtraction.

If this is the trade and Dumars isn't going to spin Cato into another player, it is incentive for Dumars to wait on the trade until the deadline to increase the value of our pick, However Milicic haters will say deal Milicic now and you increase the value of our pick.

Orlando has a tough as hell stretch coming up with games vs Miami, Miami, Cleveland, New Jersey, Seattle, Houston, Lakers, Golden State, PHX, Denver, Utah, Cleveland, GS, Indy, Utah.

Then they go on an easy stretch with Boston, Atlanta, Charlotte, NYK Philly, Chicago, Minnesota.

They finish with Dallas, Milwaukee, Detroit, Miami, Atlanta, Torono, SA, Philly, Chicago and Indy.

Salaries work for all of these.

I hate this first one since I am not a Pierce fan, but here it is:

Darko, Arroyo, Dice for Pierce and Kendrick Perkins

An oldie but a goodie:

Darko for Marvin Williams

More Atlanta deals:

Darko, Arroyo for Harrington, Delk & pick
or
Darko, Arroyo, Dale Davis for Harrington, Delk & Williams. We then cut Acker and re-sign Elden.

I like this one, especially with the Steven Hunter deal dying:

Darko for Speedy Claxton & Rasual Butler

One more:


Darko for Ike Diogu & Pietrus


I'm sure I'll come up with more bad trades later.

When were these ever fun?

Kilo's avatar is great.

Kilo's avatar is great.

I stole it - so it will probably be red x'd by dinnertime.

We HAVE to have Cato dealt elsewhere already if we make rumored Cato and unprotected pick for Arroyo and Milicic. I don't think Dumars will do that because it actually weakens us this year and that can't be his goal.


So if we acquire Cato and the unprotected first for Darko & Arroyo we then have to try and get a quality PG for Cato, and it has to be a 1 for 1 deal, right?

It would be interesting to see what teams have an extra PG that would have a salary that matches Cato's. Maybe we should do a "fun with Cato trades" thread (jk).

Or maybe we just include a 3rd team in the initial Det-Orl trade so we can include more players and not be restricted by the 1-for-1 clause?

So if we acquire Cato and the unprotected first for Darko & Arroyo we then have to try and get a quality PG for Cato, and it has to be a 1 for 1 deal, right?

It would be interesting to see what teams have an extra PG that would have a salary that matches Cato's. Maybe we should do a "fun with Cato trades" thread (jk).

Or maybe we just include a 3rd team in the initial Det-Orl trade so we can include more players and not be restricted by the 1-for-1 clause?

The only PG that I can find that we could swap Cato for on a 1-for-1 basis would be Andre Miller. Denver's got a glut of PGs, and they need bigs. It could work.

It would net down to this: we would end up with Miller and Orlando's 1st for Darko & Arroyo.

What about Ben Gordon? He could be the spark off of the bench that the Pistons need.

So if we acquire Cato and the unprotected first for Darko & Arroyo we then have to try and get a quality PG for Cato, and it has to be a 1 for 1 deal, right?

It would be interesting to see what teams have an extra PG that would have a salary that matches Cato's. Maybe we should do a "fun with Cato trades" thread (jk).

Or maybe we just include a 3rd team in the initial Det-Orl trade so we can include more players and not be restricted by the 1-for-1 clause?

The only PG that I can find that we could swap Cato for on a 1-for-1 basis would be Andre Miller. Denver's got a glut of PGs, and they need bigs. It could work.

It would net down to this: we would end up with Miller and Orlando's 1st for Darko & Arroyo.

I don't think they'd do Miller. They'd do Watson though.

But Watson can't be had for Cato in a 1 for 1 deal.

We could include Denver in the deal with Orlando to get around that, though.

But if a scoring PG is what we need, I don't think Watson is that guy. Not that Miller is all that great either, but he's closer to a scorer than Watson, IMO.

Watson might help limit some of the dribble penetration that we've been allowing this year, but he's not going to be able to do that much when he's behind Rip & Chauncey.

But Watson can't be had for Cato in a 1 for 1 deal.

We could include Denver in the deal with Orlando to get around that, though.

But if a scoring PG is what we need, I don't think Watson is that guy. Not that Miller is all that great either, but he's closer to a scorer than Watson, IMO.

Watson might help limit some of the dribble penetration that we've been allowing this year, but he's not going to be able to do that much when he's behind Rip & Chauncey.

Why do we need a scorer? I'd rather have a true PG. That would allow him to pair with Billups some. Delfino would be able to score enough IMO if we played him enough minutes.

We could trade Cato for Watson and Lenard or Buckner's contract, though they'd have to be in the original deal as a 3 way deal like you said.

Flips offense needs a jumpshooting pointguard. Arroyo is a true PG, but there is reason why Billups is playing crazy minutes. Arroyo can't be on the floor the same time as Big Ben because we'd be playing 3-on-5 when we have the ball.

A lot of people think we need a scoring PG because of Ben's limitations on offense and because a lot of what we do is from the perimeter.

Maybe a "better" true PG would help get us better shots from closer to the hoop, but if you don't consider Arroyo a true PG, what do you consider him? (I know, I know a shitty PG)

He's pretty close to a true PG IMO, he's got good handles and he's a good passer, he has a poor shot and poor decision making in some cases.

I guess if we have a PG that can get his own points consistently, then the other weaknesses of our offense are minimized.

regarding PG's, my theory is that in this offense, a PG who can nail the outside shot is much for valuable than a "true" PG. i say that because it seems in Flip's offense that everyone becomes a passer. when the starting 5 is in, chauncey dominates the ball, but we've seen Sheed in the high post where he's the one making the pass. our team assists are up from last season and while i know that chauncey is averaging a career best in assists per game, i think that others are racking up assists as well.

in our offense, Arroyo's shooting is by far the worst among the players with consistent minutes. he's the only one shooting less than 40% FG. while i think he's still a great passer it just doesn't seem like he's finding a productive niche in this team.

adding a PG like Jameer Nelson (speculation right now) would be VERY helpful, imo. he's shooting 47% FG and more importantly 44% 3pt. while we don't need our backup PG to score in bunches, Arroyo's shooting inconsistency and lack of 3pt range has hurt us, in THIS offfense, imo.

Another thing in acquiring Nelson is that he'd be the apprentice under Billups. Billups is going to opt out after next season and he is going to get ridiculously paid, and would the Pistons be willing to make such an offer to a 32 yr old pointguard? I could see Billups playing the Vinnie Johnson role off the bench near the end of his contract, but is that a player you max out?

A lot of people think we need a scoring PG because of Ben's limitations on offense and because a lot of what we do is from the perimeter.

Maybe a "better" true PG would help get us better shots from closer to the hoop, but if you don't consider Arroyo a true PG, what do you consider him? (I know, I know a shitty PG)

He's pretty close to a true PG IMO, he's got good handles and he's a good passer, he has a poor shot and poor decision making in some cases.

I guess if we have a PG that can get his own points consistently, then the other weaknesses of our offense are minimized.

I consider Arroyo a street ball PG, pick and roll PG, a fast break PG, or whatever you want to call him. I just want a PG that plays defense and can hit an open jumper. Not a PG that needs to be in pick and rolls or running fast breaks to be effective. I'm not looking for a PG that creates his own shots (what I interpreted your "scoring" PG as), but a PG that can feed off RIP, Delfino, Dyess, Sheed or whoever is the first option on the play.

To me, it's not that we don't have any scorers on the bench. It's that the bench guys can't be trusted to do the role of the starters, and they are not getting minutes. That's why our bench sucks in some minds. If Arroyo wasn't erratic, he'd get more minutes. If Dyess played defense like Ben and Sheed, he'd have more minutes. If Delfino or Evans could stop swingmen, they'd have more minutes (Delfino is getting better). To me, the bench problem is that our starters are needed so much that they can't sit down for long periods of time. I think Flip needs to trust Delfino more, but I don't blame him for not trusting Arroyo. He's so erratic the game can swing quickly one way or another with him in there.

I just want a guy that we know what to expect for 15 minutes a night.

Darko for Ike Diogu & Pietrus

[smilie=applause.gi:

Well said Chris. We do need a PG who can create and play good enough D.

A true PG? I would take a look at Brevin Knight. I know I mentioned in another thread, he wasnt all that great. Fuck that.

Brevin Knight, doesnt need to shoot to be successful. He is a great passer and I think first in asssist turnover ratio. Imagine him coming off the bench, which i highly doubtful.

Another true PG? What about Chris Duhon?

How about Darko for ORL's unprotected draft pick, straight up?

They can keep Cato's expiring contract, and we can keep Arroyo to back up CB.

How does that work under the CBA rules Tay?

Does Orlando have a $4,000,000+ trade exception or are they under the cap by that much?

^I was waiting for that.

LOL

You people and all your damn rules.

Bah!

When I was a kid, we didn't worry about no damn "CBA".

If we wanted to make a trade, we made it.

Just ask Jack McCoskey, he'll tell ya.

http://images5.theimagehosting.com/fargo.2.jpg

Well, times change old man.

Either educate yourself ...

Or tell us stories of the good ol' days when you had to walk 14 miles to school, with no shoes on in the snow.

You people and all your damn rules.

Bah!

When I was a kid, we didn't worry about no damn "CBA".

If we wanted to make a trade, we made it.

Just ask Jack McCoskey, he'll tell ya.

http://images5.theimagehosting.com/fargo.2.jpgOne of the greatest posts ever.

LMFAO. Beer and a handshake.

Darko for Ike Diogu & Pietrus

I will make it even better.....Darko and Evans for Diogu or Biedrins and Pietrus.

I would love to see Diogu and Pietrus here. The above trade is a possibility, though I'm led to believe GS would want something more.

IMO, that trade will never happen. We are talking about Mullin here. He would something bigger than Sheed's contract.

I would love to see Pietrus here alone, considering the fact we have Max. Too bad it'll never happen.