We just don't.

Watching the 4th quarter yesterday it was so painfully obvious that EVERYTHING that we were going to get was going to be from the perimeter. That allowed them to get right up in CBill's grill, and if he wasn't so amazing, we could have lost by 15.

Sheed has become a SG in a PF/C body. Dice is basically a wing player now. Tay never even goes into the paint anymore. They avoid giving the ball to Ben at all costs. Rip and Chauncey are incredible jump shooters, but when was the last time that Billups posted his man up consistently like he used to?

That is going to be the story of the 2005-06 Pistons, if the jump shots are falling we can't be beat, otherwise...

Wasn't that the story in the last 2 years as well? Since when has Sheed been a post presence? He has been a SG in a PF's body every day of his Piston career. And Tayshaun was a post presence last year............... in the regular season. This year it's as though he has just skipped to the disappearing man earlier. I guess it's better this way, so we don't learn to rely on it.

Sheed used to at least go into the post 5-6 times a game and use his length, he's just chucking now, and Flip seems to be on board with that.

Look at this bullshit:

Points in the Paint
Detroit 24
Miami 66

I agree completely Glenn. Even before we started losing these games I wasn't liking how we were playing. It's very difficult to win championships if you depend solely on the jumpshot. Some nights it's there, some nights it's not. Also, down the stretch it's tough to knock down those J's on tired legs. Sheed needs to get his ass down on the block and go to work. If this team wants to win the title, something needs to change.

unfortunately, Sheed isn't going to dominate the paint on a consistent basis. it hasn't happened since he's been a Piston and there's no reason to believe he's suddenly going to start doing it.

which is a shame, becauase the one time i remember Sheed posting up Haslem, he absolutely abused him.

Dice and Sheed are so talented in the post, it's a damn shame we don't exploit that more often.

one thing about Sheed is that he takes on challenges though. He does his best when playing against a good big man. I'm hoping he takes playing Shaq and TD or Dirk in the playoffs as a personal challenge. I have faith he can turn the switch on in the playoffs.

At the same time I agree that he needs to stop jacking the threes so much.

No I agree with others, this has been the story forever. The only time Sheed made himself avaialable in the post was the first 20 games or so when he first got here.

Sheed has always been more perimeter oriented it's just now he's stepped out to the 3 point line on most of his shots.

Flip lets them run that pck n roll far too much. It's hard to stop it which is why they been doing it.

Sheed used to at least go into the post 5-6 times a game and use his length, he's just chucking now, and Flip seems to be on board with that.


No, everything looks better in your head now, than it really was at the time. Sheed has always hung out around the perimeter, and gone into the post 2-3 times per game. Then against guys like Duncan, he'll make the work for a few minutes by posting up 4-5 times in spurts. Then he'll heading back out to the 3 point line. That's how it's been all along.

The fact is, having Sheed is like having a Ferrari, but only being able to drive it 15 miles per hour.

Sheed's most memorable, recent post game was vs. the Spurs this season. he hit the post and just dominated in the early game. then he started float out and started shooting from outside.

that inside-first, then-outside is something that i hoped Flip was saving for the playoffs......that maybe he has talked to the guys about it and then executed it for the Spurs game. at least, i hope. maybe it was because Sheed "brings it" for guys like Duncan or big games like that vs. the Spurs. i hope that's the case. because domintating them from down low and then dropping threes from outside is a great way to demoralize a team and confuse them on the defensive end. there's no reason the Pistons can't have the best two-pronged attack in the NBA.

I'm not going to razz on Sheed for his offensive output in this game at all. I'll take 98 points on the road any night. Sheed was 8-15 for 21 points. I don't care where he gets it on the floor, as long as he gets it.

As long as he is "on" from the outside, I have no problem with him staying there. But those games where he is off from deep and he refuses to go down low of easier shots and keeps chucking 3's, then I get upset.

HOWEVER, If you are going to razz on Sheed, let's talk about his rebounding. In a little over 44 minutes of play, Sheed gathered in a total of 3 rebounds. Delfino got 5 boards in 13 minutes. And Ben only got 7. When's the last time those two combined for 10? In the fourth Miami was beating us up on the glass and it would have helped greatly to have Sheed in there battling.

Sheed's most memorable, recent post game was vs. the Spurs this season. he hit the post and just dominated in the early game. then he started float out and started shooting from outside.

that inside-first, then-outside is something that i hoped Flip was saving for the playoffs......that maybe he has talked to the guys about it and then executed it for the Spurs game. at least, i hope. maybe it was because Sheed "brings it" for guys like Duncan or big games like that vs. the Spurs. i hope that's the case. because domintating them from down low and then dropping threes from outside is a great way to demoralize a team and confuse them on the defensive end. there's no reason the Pistons can't have the best two-pronged attack in the NBA.

I really don't see what the problem is. Fans of other teams always talk about how "Lucky" the Pistons are that they haven't substained many injury's over the past few years. The fact remains that the perimeter offense we have been running thus far is going to go a long way in keeping our guys from being beaten up come playoff time.

Anyone have a theory as to why Sheed has been averse to playing in the post? You have to think that he knows how good he can be on the blocks and how much it would help his team. Some say it's laziness. I am not sure what it is.

Anyone have a theory as to why Sheed has been averse to playing in the post? You have to think that he knows how good he can be on the blocks and how much it would help his team. Some say it's laziness. I am not sure what it is.

He takes the easy way out. Always has. Even when he does go into the post, he doesn't fight for position. It's easier to shoot 3's than go inside, especially when you're good enough to hit them.

Ever watch TNT during the playoffs? Barkley and Magic get pissed off at Sheed. Those two, as superstar players, know just how talented Sheed is. But he just doesn't have the mentality to dominate night in and night out. It's not in him.

Sheed's most memorable, recent post game was vs. the Spurs this season. he hit the post and just dominated in the early game. then he started float out and started shooting from outside.

that inside-first, then-outside is something that i hoped Flip was saving for the playoffs......that maybe he has talked to the guys about it and then executed it for the Spurs game. at least, i hope. maybe it was because Sheed "brings it" for guys like Duncan or big games like that vs. the Spurs. i hope that's the case. because domintating them from down low and then dropping threes from outside is a great way to demoralize a team and confuse them on the defensive end. there's no reason the Pistons can't have the best two-pronged attack in the NBA.

I agree.

Dice doesnt play the post that much either. He'll hang out by the elbow our baseline, and shoot a mid range jumper. I think he should develop Max while we can or even Ben. Ben would be a beast using that spin and slamming it in