Is anybody besides me getting sick of him? I think he's one of the most overrated players in college basketball history. Jay Bilas had him ranked 7th bes Dukie in Duke history. Vitale said he's a top 15 ACC player in the history of the ACC. So he can score and defend. Does he come up in big games? NO. He choked against MSU last year, as well as against UCONN in 04 when they blew that final 4 10 point lead with A MINUTE TO GO. He blew that big game as well. One of the worst conditioned player I've ever seen. Since its that he gets winded by the time the ACC tourney comes around.

I think he gets so much hype because he's won half of Duke's games in the regular season. and he's a dead on shooter, but come on, you can't consider him a top 15 ACC player just because he can score real well.

That Summma ma bitch is a stunning post. J.J. Redick deserves all the accolades and praise he gets. I respect his game too much to come here and try to bash him like you just did...

Is anybody besides me getting sick of him? I think he's one of the most overrated players in college basketball history. Jay Bilas had him ranked 7th bes Dukie in Duke history. Vitale said he's a top 15 ACC player in the history of the ACC. So he can score and defend. Does he come up in big games? NO. He choked against MSU last year, as well as against UCONN in 04 when they blew that final 4 10 point lead with A MINUTE TO GO. He blew that big game as well. One of the worst conditioned player I've ever seen. Since its that he gets winded by the time the ACC tourney comes around.

I think he gets so much hype because he's won half of Duke's games in the regular season. and he's a dead on shooter, but come on, you can't consider him a top 15 ACC player just because he can score real well.

I'm sorry, but if I'm building a team right now and had to pick someone, I'm looking for scoring and defense. You take all the players in college right now and put together a team and, aside from a big man because there are so few that are worth a crap, I'm starting with Reddick. Give me him, an above-average big man and Morrison and that team will beat anyone.

So you're complaining about him being called the 7th best Dukie ever? Tell you what, make a case for more than 6 that should be ranked ahead of him. This cat is going to end up with over 2,500 points. That's not something a ton of people do.

Great college player.
When he comes to the NBA...we'll see.

Shit. I was wrong about Randolph and he'll ballin in Portland.
I said he wouldn't be shit cause he's fat and looks like a 3 trying
to play the 4 but is too slow and should be a 5. I was wrong.
He's one of the top 10 4's in the league right now.

Dawkins
Lattener
Hill
Bob Hurley
Mike Gminski
Danny Ferry
Elton Brand
Chris Duhon



There, thats 8. The only reason why Redick scores so much is because Duke doesn't have any other good scorers.

Great college player.
When he comes to the NBA...we'll see.

Shit. I was wrong about Randolph and he'll ballin in Portland.
I said he wouldn't be shit cause he's fat and looks like a 3 trying
to play the 4 but is too slow and should be a 5. I was wrong.
He's one of the top 10 4's in the league right now.Don't doubt a player coming from a Tom Izzo program.

































(Besides Mateen Cleves)

I looke dmore into the points thing to see where Reddick ranked. He has 2,464 right now, which puts him past Laettner by 4 and into 2nd place all-time at Duke. Johnny Dawkins is first with 2,556. So JJ needs fewer than 100 points to be #1 in the schools history. He has 6 more regular season games, plus whatever he picks up in the ACC tournament and the NCAA tournament to get that done. Unless he breaks his leg in 4 places, he's a lock to be the most prolific scorer in the schools history. Quit hatin'.

Nice info Jethro...Out of the list that Steve made, I think he is 5th right now behind Laettner, Dawkins, Ferry, and Hill. Brand only played 2 years, Duhon was better as a freshman than he was when he was a JR/SR, Gminski was just big, that's all, not game changing. Bottom line, REDICK IS A FUCKING STUD...


http://www.eternalimages.net/images/jj_redick_300dpi_600px_003.jpg

There, thats 8. The only reason why Redick scores so much is because Duke doesn't have any other good scorers.

WTF? Do you remember the game vs. Virginia where he took 13 shots and scored 40 points? It's not like he's a gunner, he takes good shots and knocks them down more than most of the time. Every team that Duke plays puts their best defender on J.J. Redick schemes to stop him......but he still gets any shot he wants and goes for 30+.

If I had to pick 1 player in college basketball to start a team with, it would be J.J. Redick.

I agree with Polish's list on the all-time Dukies. He's probably #5, but at that school, that's dreamy. [smilie=sleeping.gi:

There, thats 8. The only reason why Redick scores so much is because Duke doesn't have any other good scorers.
Yet they are the 2nd best team in college basketball. He IS Duke right now and he's carrying them.

And Chris Duhon? Come on man. He's done alright in the NBA, but Duke careers, it's not even close.

Also I forgot to mention, Redick I say is probably the next Fred Hoiberg in the NBA or something. He plays as well as he does in college but he won't play anything like that in the NBA.

Nice info Jethro...Out of the list that Steve made, I think he is 5th right now behind Laettner, Dawkins, Ferry, and Hill. Brand only played 2 years, Duhon was better as a freshman than he was when he was a JR/SR, Gminski was just big, that's all, not game changing. Bottom line, REDICK IS A FUCKING STUD...


http://www.eternalimages.net/images/jj_redick_300dpi_600px_003.jpgHe missed that shot. [smilie=amish.gif]

Also I forgot to mention, Redick I say is probably the next Fred Hoiberg in the NBA or something. He plays as well as he does in college but he won't play anything like that in the NBA.

What basis can you possibly have of watching J.J. Redick play to assume he would be like Hoiberg in the NBA. Have you ever, and I mean EVER seen Hoiberg take a man off the dribble and get to the rack? Redick does it with ease against double teams all night...He just has that ability to get to the hole at any time and either convert or get fouled. And BTW, he shoots 90% from the line. Steve, my man, you are fighting a fight you cannot win. Let it go...

The only reason why Redick scores so much is because Duke doesn't have any other good scorers.

So Duke without any other scorer is arguaby the top team in college basketball. That actually makes Redick even better.

Also I forgot to mention, Redick I say is probably the next Fred Hoiberg in the NBA or something. He plays as well as he does in college but he won't play anything like that in the NBA.

What basis can you possibly have of watching J.J. Redick play to assume he would be like Hoiberg in the NBA. Have you ever, and I mean EVER seen Hoiberg take a man off the dribble and get to the rack? Redick does it with ease against double teams all night...He just has that ability to get to the hole at any time and either convert or get fouled. And BTW, he shoots 90% from the line. Steve, my man, you are fighting a fight you cannot win. Let it go...

The way fouls are called around him are complete BS though. I think like 27 called on him, and 250 times that he's been 'fouled'. And actually it's like 95%.

I keep trying to find white guys to compare JJ Redick to. I just can't find ANY. We might have to cross the color barrier for this one.

I see where Steve is coming from.

There have been great college ballers in the past that simply couldn't make the transition to the NBA due to the fact that they were great "in a college system". Steve Alford comes to mind, as does Ed O'Bannon -- lights out in the NCAA, shit in the pros.

But Redick will be different. There is such a hot demand for "pure shooters" these days, at the very worst Redick will become the kind of "instant offense off the bench" Steve Kerr made a career of. But he's better than Kerr, so we're looking at a first year starter who's probably going to put up 15ppg numbers out of the box. Add his defensive abilities, and you've got a top five pick.

As for Redick being "overrated"?.... 2500 points in ACC basketball, arguably the toughest conference in all of sports (more so, maybe, than the Big10 in football) is a helluva accomplishment. Add to the equation that Duke is a top tier program with top tier recruits, and his numbers are even more amazing.

You can't seriously be using probably NBA career as an argument and still stick to some of the guys you think are better. Ferry was a HUGE NBA disappointment. Gminski? Come on. Hurley? Laettner has scored but has never meant more to a team than Keith Van Horn has. Hill, injury wise, has been a tragedy. How often was Duhon even the best guy on his team? And you would be hard pressed to talk about Dawkins career since I'm pretty sure he retired before you were born.

I didn't want to create a new thread just for this.


Redick sets 3-point record in Duke win

J.J. Redick's legacy is far from complete, yet he knows better than anyone it always will include his uncanny ability to make 3-pointers.

He made sure of that Tuesday night, when he became the NCAA's career leader.

The Duke senior moved to the top of the list with four more 3s on his way to 33 points, helping the second-ranked Blue Devils run away from Wake Forest 93-70 Tuesday night to remain undefeated in the Atlantic Coast Conference.

"I'll never be able to completely shed the label of just being a shooter, and that's fine with me," Redick said. "It doesn't stop me from working on my game and trying to get better."

Freshman Josh McRoberts had 12 of his 16 points in the first half and Shelden Williams also scored 16 for Duke (24-1, 12-0 ACC), which is in position to reclaim the No. 1 ranking in The Associated Press poll next week following Connecticut's loss to Villanova on Monday night. Of course, the Blue Devils still must beat Miami later this week.

"I've tried not to focus on the records. I've tried to focus on what our team's doing," Redick said. "We're having a heck of a season as a team, and that's been a lot of fun to be a part of."

The Demon Deacons (13-12, 1-10) lost their seventh conference game in a row. Justin Gray led them with 18 points, while Eric Williams finished with 17 points and 13 rebounds.

Yet the story of this game was Redick. He got two 3-pointers in the first 12 1/2 minutes to pass the mark previously held by Curtis Staples, who had 413 at Virginia from 1994-98. Redick added two more and now has 416.

Staples was in attendance and presented Redick with a game ball in a ceremony following the game.

"It's a special night, to set a national record is very neat and I'm proud," Redick said. "To have Curtis here also was very nice. I haven't seen him in a couple of years, and we chatted a little bit before the game. He was very encouraging and that meant a lot to me."

Redick's first long-range shot came nearly 7 minutes after the opening tip, when he burned defender Cameron Stanley with a step-back jumper. The next trip, Redick lofted a perfect lob pass to McRoberts for a dunk, and added another assist on the ensuing possession when the duo hooked up again for another jam by McRoberts.

The second one led to a three-point play, and Sean Dockery stepped out beyond the arc a few seconds later to give Duke a 26-11 lead. It was an 11-point game a few minutes later when Redick got the record.

"He knew that he was going to get the record, and so did we," Duke point guard Greg Paulus said. "He's such a great shooter, he was going to get that couple."

Using a screen by Lee Melchionni to lose Gray, he took a pass from DeMarcus Nelson for an open catch-and-shoot from the wing. The ball swished through, setting off a raucous celebration by the Cameron Crazies.

"It's his confidence level," Gray said. "When he's shooting the ball like that, it's not really technique or none of that stuff. It all has to do with confidence and his confidence is through the roof right now."

Redick wasn't done. He went to the other end and got a steal, which led to a three-point play and a 34-17 advantage. He had to sit through a media timeout before converting his free throw, and when he returned to the line, the crowd chanted, "All-time leader!" as his record was announced.

"I heard them right at the beginning of the timeout, and then I was able to block them out," Redick said with a smile.

He didn't acknowledge the applause but did take time to accept congratulations from Dockery and Nelson. The free throw was a mere formality for Redick, and he totaled at least 30 points for the fourth straight game, setting a new school record.

"I've never had anybody who had so many 30-point games," Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski said. "We're not always looking for him. We're trying to be balanced. He's just an incredible player."

Even better, Redick passed Virginia's Bryant Stith for fourth on the ACC career scoring list, and he remained on pace to pass Dickie Hemric at the top of the list. Hemric had 2,587 for Wake Forest, and Redick now trails by 60 points with five games remaining in the regular season.

"I'm worried about the team," he said. "Overall, you're going to be remembered for your team's successes. As long as we're winning games, I'm happy with whatever records I might break."

The Blue Devils led by 14 at the break before Wake Forest briefly rallied. A tip-in by Kevin Swinton made it 54-43 before Duke responded with a 12-2 run - completed with a layup from Redick - and the Deacons never recovered.

"You know, I've pretty much got through the part of feeling sorry for myself and sorry for the team," Eric Williams said. "The only thing we can do now is keep fighting. We've got to play it game by game. That's all we can do."

Looks like Steve is pulling a DrTre and avoiding the thread...

One thing that certainly helps the argument about whether or not Reddick will be anything in the pros is the fact that Curtis Staples was the previous record holder.
Who?
Yes, Curtis Staples who left Virginia just 8 years ago. Everyone remembers his fine NBA career, don't they? Nope. They don't. He could obviously hit the long ball but his specialty didn't land him in any NBA 3 point contests that I remember.
When I'm being a Reddick hater I bring up Trajan Langdon, but it's getting more and more difficult to make an anti-Reddick argument.

What a great preformance last night at senior night by the god of all college basketball. He started out 4 for 5 in the first 3 minutes. How many field goals did he have the whole game?



5.




YES, 5 FIELD GOALS THE WHOLE GAME. HE HIT ONE FIELD GOAL AFTER STARTING 4 FOR 5.


He ALWAYS tires down at the end of the season. Such a great player he's been lately. last four games he's been 7 for 31 from 3 point land, and i think like 16 for 67 from the field.



What an excellent clutch player.



[smilie=rolleyes2.g:

BTW, Bobby Frasor made him look like a bitch.


Oh and who won the game?



Not Redicks team.

I willofficially rename this thread J.J Choker since that is his new nick name.



3-21
11pts
3'3s
2FT's

SWEET 16.

LSU 62
DUKE 54


so long Mr. Redick. Have a great 2 years in the NBA because after that its gonna be Europe for you buddy.

duke haters of the world unite!

i dont know what i enjoyed more. duke getting beat (not upset) by LSU or jj scaring off any lottery team that was giving him a thought. (would you take him with even a 1st now?).

ps: thomas/big baby has to be the best one two big man combo in the country. i know thomas is a clear top pick, but what about big baby? who wouldnt want a 300 pounder who moves better than any guy that will ever guard him? i think if he came out this year, he'd be late lottery, but he's a little too close to tractor traylor to be top 5.

Can't blame JJ. he has half of LSU's team on him at all times. There was nobody else on DUke to guard.

Eventhough it might sound ridiculous, I do believe Redick really hurt his draft stock with todays game. He showed just how one dimensional his game is, can't guard shit and will be hard pressed to score on bigger more athletic two-guards.

I hope Orlando drafts him...

definitely not good for his draft... but did you see his eyes? looks like he hasnt slept in a week with black baggy eyes. i havent seen him look like that all year. im sure hes not as great as been pumped all season, but not as bad as today showed. if every nba team swarmed him like LSU did, any nba team would have 3 other guys to go to whereas duke has one with sheldon and hes only good in the post.

I just recall a lot of people saying the same 1-dimensional stuff about Reggie Miller in his early years.

Reddick is a player.

i'll blame him. he sucked, and was exposed (if people didnt already know that he doesnt show up in march and gets stopped by anyone athletic).

god did i love watching him drive to the rim over, and over, and over again.

no one else on duke to guard? what are you talking about? duke is loaded, its just jj's ego saying he needs to be the man.

ps if jj didnt have those certain "intangibles", i think he'd get torn up in the media for playing such a selfish game. duke had like 5 minutes of good ball all night--the same 5 minutes after jj was individualy talked to by coach k (that never happens!!) and came back in and passed the ball. he sucked tonight and im glad.

Miller has three inches in height, and a much bigger wingspan, meaning he can release the ball much higher. Truth be told I've never been high on Redick to begin with, so maybe I'm just a hater. What position can he defend in the NBA?? If you are drafting a lottery player, you're looking for a starter - I can't see him guarding anybody at the two. He'll need to be on a team with a big point guard, completely reinvent his game as a pointguard OR somehow land on PHX...

he's the next overrated white boy

i was going to say the same thing kilo. reggie atleast had an nba body.

reddick pretty much has to play pg or off the bench in the nba. he's quicker than you'd think, but not nba 1 fast. maybe, he makes it in the nba as a specialist.

Reddick's NBA career will mirror Shawn Respert's.

Respert had freakin cancer. Nobody knows how he would have turned out.

Respert washed out of the league before he had cancer.

I just recall a lot of people saying the same 1-dimensional stuff about Reggie Miller in his early years.

Reddick is a player.
Miller was a better player than redick though on drives and 6ft 7in shooting guard. vs reddick being 6ft 4in. in this game 6ft 4in guards are gonna have it tough unless they are strong enough physically to make space ala 6ft 2in Ben Gordon.

Respert washed out of the league before he had cancer.
true

he's the next overrated white boy

i agree [smilie=anxious.gif] [smilie=arrgh.jpg]

i was going to say the same thing kilo. reggie atleast had an nba body.

reddick pretty much has to play pg or off the bench in the nba. he's quicker than you'd think, but not nba 1 fast. maybe, he makes it in the nba as a specialist.
Rex Chapman/jon barry/fred hoiberg/craig hodges type all the way.

Dawkins
Lattener
Hill
Bob Hurley
Mike Gminski
Danny Ferry
Elton Brand
Chris Duhon



There, thats 8. The only reason why Redick scores so much is because Duke doesn't have any other good scorers.

i think i would take jay (jayson) williams over reddick. in fact, im sure of it.

reddick is (was) not the best player in college this year. he's not the best pro prospect, and hes not the most dominant player in college.

i'd take rudy gay (in college ball) 100 out of 10 times over reddick if i was a college recruiter.

Both of the great white over hypes lost in the only way they know how by choking when it matters.

As much as I sick of JJ, I am just as sick of Gonzaga not being able to do anything of substance in the tourney.

Both of the great white over hypes lost in the only way they know how by choking when it matters.

You would really, REALLY have to try hard to blame Gonzaga's loss on Morrison. His teamates basically handed the ball off to UCLA the last 2 minutes.

Reddick to shut down no doubt, but Morrison lost because the 4 guys around him crumbled like bitches.

Both of the great white over hypes lost in the only way they know how by choking when it matters.

You would really, REALLY have to try hard to blame Gonzaga's loss on Morrison. His teamates basically handed the ball off to UCLA the last 2 minutes.

Reddick to shut down no doubt, but Morrison lost because the 4 guys around him crumbled like bitches.

I wasn't blaming the loss on Morrison, but I think he is overhyped. I am mainly pist at yet another choke job by Gonzaga. I can't stand UCLA so that makes it worse.

going on tonight, Morrison looked like the real deal. Reddick looks like he was a bit overhyped.

Both guys suffered from a lack of a #2 scorer, but seeing as how Reddick plays on Duke, it seems kinda lame.

Adam Morrison>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>J.J Choker

I hope the Pistons watched the Duke game to see what can happen to a #1 seed with no bench that relies on jumpers too much.

I hope the Pistons watched the Duke game to see what can happen to a #1 seed with no bench that relies on jumpers too much.

[smilie=applause.gi: I agree and am very scurred. [smilie=arrgh.jpg]

Nooooo i hope Miami sees what happened to Duke depending on two players to save their team every play. And how that theory fails when they get shut down.

This is the most "depending on 1 or 2 guys" team they've ever had. Duke usually has a slew of players kicking ass on the court. But this year they were reduced to"shut down reddick and they arent as good". Reddick=the d-wade of duke.

LSU was more like the pistons relying on atlletic defense and hustle to win IMO.

Fact: JJ Reddick is the 2nd best player in college basketball.

Fact: JJ Reddick is playing in the weakest era of college basketball EVER.

If anyone thinks Reddick could do all this scoring on any of the classic Duke teams would be fooling themselves. He probably wouldn't even start for most of those championship teams. He's not even a top 10 Duke player all time because he ONLY SCORES. No defense, no athletism, no passing skills, no strength, no dribbling skills, no driving skills, no ability to create on a consistent basis, no rebounding.

It's a travesty that people are putting him in the same sentence as Jay Williams, Grant Hill, Elton Brand, Corey Maggette, Christian Laettner, Carlos Boozer, Bobby Hurley, Shane Battier, Dahntay Jones. They were champions(or at least made it past the sweet 16, right JJ?), and could do MORE than score.

JJ is an overrated white boi.

Someone fix or delete thekids post.

Fact: JJ Reddick is the 2nd best player in college basketball.

Fact: JJ Reddick is playing in the weakest era of college basketball EVER.

If anyone thinks Reddick could do all this scoring on any of the classic Duke teams would be fooling themselves. He probably wouldn't even start for most of those championship teams. He's not even a top 10 Duke player all time because he ONLY SCORES. No defense, no athletism, no passing skills, no strength, no dribbling skills, no driving skills, no ability to create on a consistent basis, no rebounding.

It's a travesty that people are putting him in the same sentence as Jay Williams, Grant Hill, Elton Brand, Corey Maggette, Christian Laettner, Carlos Boozer, Bobby Hurley, Shane Battier, Dahntay Jones. They were champions(or at least made it past the sweet 16, right JJ?), and could do MORE than score.

JJ is an overrated white boi.That sums it up perfectly. Thank you.

Fact: JJ Reddick is the 2nd best player in college basketball.

Fact: JJ Reddick is playing in the weakest era of college basketball EVER.

Please re-phrase. Reddick is playing in the weakest ACC ever.

College ball in general has never been so diverse. With so many top schools losing their stars so early to the Association, it's giving the mid-majors an opportunity to do some damage. When was the last time we had three mid majors in the Sweet 16? Actually, four, since Gonzaga does not play in a perrenial powerhouse conference. And where's the Big 10? ACC is down to one team, and that team USED to be Big East.

I've always thought the ACC was a product of ESPN, as the SEC is a product of CBS. It's nice to see the MVC, a product of nobody, balling everybody's ass off.

I'd say the bar none weakest era ever was 5 years ago. It hot rock bottom in 2000.

I'd say the bar none weakest era ever was 5 years ago. It hot rock bottom in 2000.

KStat = Bitch Made?

Weak insult there were 4 or 5 future NBAers on that team. Cleaves, Peterson, Bell, JRich, and was Randolph that year or the year after(thinking the year after). Admittedly Cleaves didn't deserve his time in the league(from an NBA point of view, not based on college performance), but otherwise they have all performed. That is not a weak team.

So, once again, KStat = Bitch Made?

I haven't been following... how is Michigan doing in the NIT?

Are MSU players comfortable on their sofas, with their chips and dips?

UNLV used to do it with two year players (JV transfers).

Now every team does it with two year player (NBA).

It's still quality product, but like all sports it goes though ebbs and flows.

I'd like to see the NBA place a tiered pay scale into effect, where players with at least 3 years of college ball are allowed a higher salary than high school kids. That might help the NCAA maintain and publicize their star players.

I'd say the bar none weakest era ever was 5 years ago. It hot rock bottom in 2000.

KStat = Bitch Made?

Weak insult there were 4 or 5 future NBAers on that team. Cleaves, Peterson, Bell, JRich, and was Randolph that year or the year after(thinking the year after). Admittedly Cleaves didn't deserve his time in the league(from an NBA point of view, not based on college performance), but otherwise they have all performed. That is not a weak team.

So, once again, KStat = Bitch Made?
you were ok until you said bell and cleaves. both sub par journeymen IMO. but everyone else is nba deserving.

JJ is an overrated white boi.
Damn i shoulda put a patent on this phrase.

I'd say the bar none weakest era ever was 5 years ago. It hot rock bottom in 2000.

KStat = Bitch Made?

Weak insult there were 4 or 5 future NBAers on that team. Cleaves, Peterson, Bell, JRich, and was Randolph that year or the year after(thinking the year after). Admittedly Cleaves didn't deserve his time in the league(from an NBA point of view, not based on college performance), but otherwise they have all performed. That is not a weak team.

So, once again, KStat = Bitch Made?
you were ok until you said bell and cleaves. both sub par journeymen IMO. but everyone else is nba deserving.

Bell actually does deserve it.

Led whatever euro league he was in in scoring, then 7 points, 2 assists, and 2 rebounds and 39% from 3 is valid. Not an all star, but a decent guy off the bench for the Bucks.

Cleaves is an NBDL all star. Which is sad after his college performance, but he isn't designed for the NBA.

JJ Reddick will give Cleaves a run for his money in the NBDL.

Bell actually does deserve it.

Led whatever euro league he was in in scoring, then 7 points, 2 assists, and 2 rebounds and 39% from 3 is valid. Not an all star, but a decent guy off the bench for the Bucks..
euro league doesnt count for shit*see darko and mo evans* and milwaukee is sputtering. doesnt count for much to me. You're homering this one man. i easily give you every other player you named but not bell.

damn homer green all up in you. but zach randolph and j rich are both mosters in this league.
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How can anyone here really hate on J.J. Redick? I understand that he doesn't make all the clutch shots and he has off games like every player, but he was a great player at Duke. He never raped bitches, sold drugs, housed illegal weapons, stood on scorers tables popping his jersey like an idiot. He was as cold blooded as a shooter comes and I feel that he easily got better every year he was at Duke. He has learned how to dribble and handle the ball and is now able to get his shot. I understand that he won't fit with every NBA team, but how can you not see this kid fitting in with the NBA style of play. Unless you're thinking of the Pistons, Spurs, Jazz or maybe the Mavs there isn't much team ball going on in the NBA. Without question I think Redick can come into the league and play and play well. I expect him to do more than just stand out at the three point line and chuck the duck all day, but so what if he does. Don't you think Kobe or LeBron would love to have a guy like that to kick out too. Redick faced constant double and sometimes triple teams and still average 27 points a game, I wouldn't mind seeing LeBron knife through the defense to find JJ or Big Z passing out of a double team into the cold blooded shooting stroke of J.J. Redick.

Think of all the whackest cats in the league, I don't care where they went to college, I don't care if you hate Redick or not, but ask yourself this question................Is Redick better or at least as good as this whack cat I'm thinking of!

Bell actually does deserve it.

Led whatever euro league he was in in scoring, then 7 points, 2 assists, and 2 rebounds and 39% from 3 is valid. Not an all star, but a decent guy off the bench for the Bucks..
euro league doesnt count for shit*see darko and mo evans* and milwaukee is sputtering. doesnt count for much to me. You're homering this one man. i easily give you every other player you named but not bell.

damn homer green all up in you. but zach randolph and j rich are both mosters in this league.
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Never said Bell was a stud, but he was another NBAer off that team.

How can anyone here really hate on J.J. Redick? I understand that he doesn't make all the clutch shots and he has off games like every player, but he was a great player at Duke. He never raped bitches, sold drugs, housed illegal weapons, stood on scorers tables popping his jersey like an idiot. He was as cold blooded as a shooter comes and I feel that he easily got better every year he was at Duke. He has learned how to dribble and handle the ball and is now able to get his shot. I understand that he won't fit with every NBA team, but how can you not see this kid fitting in with the NBA style of play. Unless you're thinking of the Pistons, Spurs, Jazz or maybe the Mavs there isn't much team ball going on in the NBA. Without question I think Redick can come into the league and play and play well. I expect him to do more than just stand out at the three point line and chuck the duck all day, but so what if he does. Don't you think Kobe or LeBron would love to have a guy like that to kick out too. Redick faced constant double and sometimes triple teams and still average 27 points a game, I wouldn't mind seeing LeBron knife through the defense to find JJ or Big Z passing out of a double team into the cold blooded shooting stroke of J.J. Redick.

Think of all the whackest cats in the league, I don't care where they went to college, I don't care if you hate Redick or not, but ask yourself this question................Is Redick better or at least as good as this whack cat I'm thinking of!

Redick is going to be another Steve Kerr. Period.

Redick will be another Steve Kerr..............based on what? Redick is taller than Kerr, plays better defense than Kerr, can create his own shot 10 times better than Kerr and is easily much more athletic than Kerr. But lets say for argument sakes that he ends up like Steve Kerr, is that such a bad thing? Does that give everyone here that is jealous of him the right to bash him? I'm assuming that everyone that hates him never saw the ESPN clips where they talk about people threatening his sister's life and his mom's life and drunk college idiots getting his phone number and calling him 300 times a day including ALL hours of the night. Even if you don't like him there is no way you can't respect him!!!

redick plays no defense in college. yet he's better than kerr on defense? [smilie=arnold.gif]
Quit playing man. He'll be a utility shooter much like kerr, barry, and many other guys with talents and defencies similar to his were. i think that was more the point he was making. Jon Barry would probally be the perfect example of what he'll be worth, with less passing skill though.

Redick will be another Steve Kerr..............based on what? Redick is taller than Kerr, plays better defense than Kerr, can create his own shot 10 times better than Kerr and is easily much more athletic than Kerr. But lets say for argument sakes that he ends up like Steve Kerr, is that such a bad thing? Does that give everyone here that is jealous of him the right to bash him? I'm assuming that everyone that hates him never saw the ESPN clips where they talk about people threatening his sister's life and his mom's life and drunk college idiots getting his phone number and calling him 300 times a day including ALL hours of the night. Even if you don't like him there is no way you can't respect him!!!

Based upon everything that's been mentioned previously. I could be wrong -- Redick might very well become a regular starter in the Association -- but more than likely he'll become the kind of "instant offense" that made Kerr famous. And it not a knock, FCS. I liked Kerr when he played. He was a fucking assassin off the bench.

JJ Reddick is athletic? That's news to me.

Would you feel better if I said "He was as athletic as a white guy could be" or just simply "athletic for a white guy." If we're going to be using Steve Kerr as the guy we compare him to, then JJ is fucking J-Rich in terms of athleticism. Redick clearly isn't going to break down Iverson off the dribble and rise up for a thunder dunk, but unlike Kerr, Fred Hoiberg, Danny Ferry, Craig Hodges and any other 3 point specialiast he can dribble the ball and create his own shot.

First time I got a chance to chime in on this topic. I agree with about 95% of what Filly wrote. Why are we here hating on J.J. Redick? I hated the guy prior to this season and then I asked myself, Why? He's an extremely good college baller. He got the most out of what God gave him. How many 6'4" amazing wb's do you know that are balling everybody else out in the ACC? For the most part he conducts himself with class. And if you are white, you might want to claim him because we don't exactly have a ton of great ballers we can be proud of. haha jk, well, sort of.

People that hate Redick (including myself prior to this past season) are just haters. They want to hate him because he is an amazing college basketball player with swagger and he plays for DUKE. Duke probably being the #1 reason why people hate him.

Who cares if he's going to be great in the NBA. I don't think anyone can argue the fact that he got the most out of what he was given. And how can you hate on that? He's not athletic. He's not extremely quick. Not extremely strong. And not extremely tall. So why hate on the guy for becoming a great baller despite not having the greatest tools to work with?

its not hating to call him a future utility shooter. its probally what he'll be. and i expect him to be good at it. but his athletics are probally being seriously overrated by a couple people in here. Rex Chapman and bobby sura were athletic lil' guys in college. not jj redick. Redick is probally the next jon barry. not a bad job in this league if he can stay healthy.

I agree on the fact that he's not going to be a real good NBA player. I really don't see how anyone would believe that he's going to be real good in the NBA. He'll fulfill his role though.

Steve Kerr has plenty of NBA jewelry that Charles Barkley and Karl Malone would love to borrow.

But Steve Kerr is also a bad comparison because Kerr never had a street mentality. Everyone knows the Association is more street than Stern or a lot of suits would like it to be, and Reddick is street. If you don't think so, you haven't read a thing about his personality.

J.J. Redick, SG, Duke: Redick's worst nightmare happened on Thursday. Not only did Duke suffer an early exit at the hands of LSU, but his fantastic senior season came into serious question with NBA scouts after the athletic LSU backcourt forced Redick into his worst game (3-for-18 from the field) of the year. This wasn't just a case of Redick's shot being a little off. He was horrible, and LSU freshman guard Garrett Temple drove him crazy. His length and athleticism were too much for Redick. He just couldn't get clean looks at the basket.

One game shouldn't taint a fantastic senior season -- but what every NBA scout that I talked to noted was that Temple is the type of athlete Redick will have to play against every night in the NBA. With that said, his stock isn't sliding as much as some might think. Scouts also understand that Redick won't be a star in the NBA and coaches won't be devising defenses to stop him the way LSU did.

If Redick gets on a good team with a low-post presence, he should be an excellent sniper in the NBA. If asked to do what he did for Duke this year, it's going to get ugly. Look for him to fall in the range we've predicted for him most of the year: somewhere between 13 and 22 come draft night.
just something to think about. i pretty much agree with the point this article made.

Steve Kerr has plenty of NBA jewelry that Charles Barkley and Karl Malone would love to borrow.

But Steve Kerr is also a bad comparison because Kerr never had a street mentality. Everyone knows the Association is more street than Stern or a lot of suits would like it to be, and Reddick is street. If you don't think so, you haven't read a thing about his personality.

Like the SI thing about him doing poetry?

Or the one where he was a mentor to Paulus and showed him the Duke way, and how to do well in class and all that?

Reddick isn't street. Well, maybe Wysteria Lane, but not street/tough/city.

A point was made above about one game not ruining a career. It bothers me how fans have such short memories. One day you are God's gift to the sport, but make a mistake or come up short one time and all of a sudden you are a disappointment. It's too bad that fans can't put things into perspective and remember the body of work, not one game. This isn't necessarily about Redick, but he probably falls into this topic.

A point was made above about one game not ruining a career. It bothers me how fans have such short memories. One day you are God's gift to the sport, but make a mistake or come up short one time and all of a sudden you are a disappointment. It's too bad that fans can't put things into perspective and remember the body of work, not one game. This isn't necessarily about Redick, but he probably falls into this topic.
hype goes both ways. he was overhyped up before the game suckage. now he's getting blasted. thats what happens when you get put on a false pedestel. everyone hates you when they find out you arent as good as they overhyped you to be. but he'll be a late first rounder, maybe 2nd.

First time I got a chance to chime in on this topic. I agree with about 95% of what Filly wrote. Why are we here hating on J.J. Redick? I hated the guy prior to this season and then I asked myself, Why? He's an extremely good college baller. He got the most out of what God gave him. How many 6'4" amazing wb's do you know that are balling everybody else out in the ACC? For the most part he conducts himself with class. And if you are white, you might want to claim him because we don't exactly have a ton of great ballers we can be proud of. haha jk, well, sort of.

People that hate Redick (including myself prior to this past season) are just haters. They want to hate him because he is an amazing college basketball player with swagger and he plays for DUKE. Duke probably being the #1 reason why people hate him.

Who cares if he's going to be great in the NBA. I don't think anyone can argue the fact that he got the most out of what he was given. And how can you hate on that? He's not athletic. He's not extremely quick. Not extremely strong. And not extremely tall. So why hate on the guy for becoming a great baller despite not having the greatest tools to work with?

this is #2 reason why i hate him. i dont care if hes white. and most people will say that, but that doesnt mean they dont overrate him because of it.

your right, he is more athletic than he gets credited for. in fact, by college standards, i'd say he has about avg athleticism.

but he's not atheletic enough to compensate for being undersized.

its the cold hard truth. its not one game ruining his college career. LSU didnt play reddick like he was jordan. they played him tough, but no harder than he'll get in the nba EVERY game.

I pretty much agree with Filly. Sure, he's had some bad games deep in the tourney, but it's not like he's a choker at all. He's hit some huge shots in some huge games like at Carolina this year. I mean, he took over. He can get to the rack, get his own shot, knock down contested threes, and he's the ALL TIME NCAA LEADER IN 3 POINT FIELD GOALS AND FREE THROW PERCENTAGE. I mean, what more do you want? I give the cat mad props. [smilie=applause.gi: He came to Duke with a silky J, but he turned himself into a complete player and deserves the Naismith award.

hype goes both ways. he was overhyped up before the game suckage. now he's getting blasted. thats what happens when you get put on a false pedestel. everyone hates you when they find out you arent as good as they overhyped you to be. but he'll be a late first rounder, maybe 2nd.

Like Moodini said, he's the All Time 3 Point Leader in the history of the NCAA, yet you believe he is overhyped?

That's because he does nothing BUT shoot threes.

All time 3 point shooter=specialist. you just overhyped it. enough said.

The last two posters obviously didn't watch J.J. much this year.

The only reason why Redick scores so much is because Duke doesn't have any other good scorers.

So Duke without any other scorer is arguaby the top team in college basketball. That actually makes Redick even better.The LSU game proved you wrong on that one. He didnt play well in that game and they lost. He Struggled against Southern and Duke had a hard time beating them.

The Archdiocese wrote:


That's because he does nothing BUT shoot threes.

Here are J.J.'s numbers over his 4 year career at Duke. You read this and then tell me that all he does is shoot threes. This also goes to the credibility of the witness as a more complete player now than when he walked on campus.

Freshman year -- 238 3PA 361 FGA 65.9% of his shots were from 3
Sophomore year -- 258 3PA 407 FGA 63.4% of his shots were from 3
Junior year -- 300 3PA 495 FGA 60.6% of his shots were from 3
Senior year -- 330 3PA 643 FGA 51.3% of his shots were from 3

This means that YES, he does shoot 3's, but each year at Duke he has relied less on the 3-ball and worked hard on his dribble drive skills.[/quote]

The Archdiocese wrote:


That's because he does nothing BUT shoot threes.

Here are J.J.'s numbers over his 4 year career at Duke. You read this and then tell me that all he does is shoot threes. This also goes to the credibility of the witness as a more complete player now than when he walked on campus.

Freshman year -- 238 3PA 361 FGA 65.9% of his shots were from 3
Sophomore year -- 258 3PA 407 FGA 63.4% of his shots were from 3
Junior year -- 300 3PA 495 FGA 60.6% of his shots were from 3
Senior year -- 330 3PA 643 FGA 51.3% of his shots were from 3

This means that YES, he does shoot 3's, but each year at Duke he has relied less on the 3-ball and worked hard on his dribble drive skills.[/quote]
you do realize that even at a 50 percent clip he's still a specialist. half his shots are 3's is a good thing?

why dont you find his points in the paint, assists, rebounding, proof of defense(though honestly he has none), or something better than that stat if you wanna defend this guy. Because this doesn't cut it.

Why is 1/2 of his shot attempts being threes a bad thing. He's a shooting guard! A lot of shooting guards have 3 balls as half of their attempts. If he was just a specialist, it would probably be like 75% of his attempts are threes.

How many 2 pt. shot attempts did Steve Kerr shoot in his career? Not many.

Why is 1/2 of his shot attempts being threes a bad thing. He's a shooting guard! A lot of shooting guards have 3 balls as half of their attempts. If he was just a specialist, it would probably be like 75% of his attempts are threes.

How many 2 pt. shot attempts did Steve Kerr shoot in his career? Not many.
actually about half of jon barry's career shots have been 3's. and he's a career specialist.
about the same for Steve kerr.

Anything else you want to expose to prove my point? [smilie=angel.gif]

Say what you want, anybody that actually watched Redick this year saw that he was a complete player offensively. If you say otherwise, you just didn't watch him.

Keep in mind, I'm a Duke hater. But, when I watched him play this year he took the ball to the rack, he shot tons of mid-range jumpers, in addition to his stellar three point shooting.

Say what you want about his NBA career, but he was not just a specialist in college. You know and I know that every guy on this board would drool over having this guy as their starting 2 man on any team.

Say what you want, anybody that actually watched Redick this year saw that he was a complete player offensively. If you say otherwise, you just didn't watch him.

Keep in mind, I'm a Duke hater. But, when I watched him play this year he took the ball to the rack, he shot tons of mid-range jumpers, in addition to his stellar three point shooting.

Say what you want about his NBA career, but he was not just a specialist in college. You know and I know that every guy on this board would drool over having this guy as their starting 2 man on any team.
thats an unfair comeback. Because i'm not saying what i want. I'm saying whats true. I just lined up your own statement with Jon Barry's and Steve Kerr's stats to shot you that he's shooting at a specialist clip. Jon Barry has an even colder jump shot than him IMO. But nevertheless they were both around the 50 percent clip you were talking about on 3 point shooting.

Now I just gave you the comparisom on a stat YOU brought up. And you deny the facts? Whatever.

This aint whatever I want. I'm very indifferent to Redick honestly. But its pretty obvious that the idea of him as a lottery pick is overrating him. The idea that he's supremely athletic and/or fast enough to get space for his own shot ala ben gordon is overrating him. He's a good pure shooter. Jon Barry honestly. And Barry was better at finishing at the hoop oddly enough.

Is he good enough for the NBA? Yep. Is he a future star? Heck No.

I think if Redick goes in the lottery, then some team is drinking some major J.J. Kool-Aid. I think he should be picked around #15-18 and will be a solid pro. Comparable to Ben Gordon. If I had to pick one or the other, I'd take Gordon, but don't hate on Redick, he's going to have a good NBA career.