Rumors are flying everywhere.

Here are some of the guys rumored to be available/on the move.

Eric Williams
Brevin Knight
Steve Francis
Reggie Evans
Danny Fortson
Darius Miles
Theo Ratliff
Ruber Patterson
Earl Watson
Drew Gooden
Penny Hardaway
Trevor Ariza
Jamal Crawford
Nene

It's time for trade rumors - post 'em if you got 'em. (with a link, please)

Here's one that is Pistons-related.

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060206/SPORTS/602060329/1002/sports


The New York Post reported Sunday that the potential blockbuster trade could involve Orlando, Denver, Seattle and New York. Francis would head to Denver and Earl Watson and Nene would go to Orlando, Seattle or New York. Seattle is reportedly offering Reggie Evans, Flip Murray and Vitaly Potapenko. New York is peddling former Magic star Penny Hardaway, who has great worth because his $15.75 million contract expires at the end of the season.

Smith admitted that he's talked to several teams about potential trades -- specifically Denver, Sacramento, Indiana and Detroit -- in hopes of shaking up a Magic team that is 19-26 and 10th in the Eastern Conference. But he shot down The Post story, saying that he intends to keep Francis in Orlando unless he's blown away by a particularly appealing deal.

That was probably the Cato for Arroyo and Milicic deal. Yeah, that's gonna happen.

Well I purposely didn't post all of the rumors yesterday to give someone else a chance.

Looks like that didn't work.

Here are a few from today:

Knicks interested in Kenyon Martin/Earl Watson, Crawford to Orlando?
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/story/389049p-330109c.html

Isiah Thomas is committed to revamping the Knicks' roster by the Feb. 23 trading deadline and is considering making a bid for Denver power forward Kenyon Martin.

According to a league source, the Nuggets are shopping Martin, who will earn $65 million through the 2010 season. Denver has also contacted Chicago about Martin, whose contract and medical history will prevent more teams from pursuing him. Martin, acquired in a sign-and-trade from the Nets two summers ago, has been slowed by knee and back problems this season. Thomas has two weeks to trade Penny Hardaway's expiring contract and has been in conversations with the Nuggets about point guard Earl Watson. According to published reports, the Knicks, Nuggets and Magic are discussing a deal that would bring Watson to New York and send Jamal Crawford to Orlando.

If the Knicks try to acquire both Martin and Watson, Denver may ask for rookie Channing Frye in return. Up to this point, Thomas has sent word that he does not want to trade any of his three rookies.


Another vesrion of this deal includes Francis & Marbury
http://www.nj.com/sports/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1139292699267780.xml&coll=1

The Knicks were chatting with the Magic and Nuggets about a trade involving Steve Francis, who would go to Denver while the Knicks would have gotten Earl Watson to play the point. It's not clear whom the Knicks would have had to surrender.

More intriguing is the possibility that Francis could end up with the Knicks, either in a deal that would include Marbury or possibly to play alongside him. Nothing can be ruled out.


More Knicks: Penny for Flip, Vitaly & Reggie Evans
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060207/SPORTS0102/602070379/1127

Another persistent rumor has the Knicks finally unloading Penny Hardaway 's expiring $15.75 million contract on Seattle for ReggieEvans , Flip Murray and Vitaly Potapenko .

That would help the cash-strapped Sonics for next season, but it wouldn't appear to do much to help the Knicks. Which, in my cynical opinion, is why this trade probably will go through.


Sonics looking at Kareem Rush
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2002789066_soniglance07.html

The Sonics need backcourt help and are believed to be interested in Kareem Rush, while Charlotte is in dire need of a power forward while Emeka Okafor, Gerald Wallace and Sean May battle injuries.

Francis playing alongside Marbury and the team coached by LB? Now thats a real triangle offense.

Thanks for those small tidbits Glenn. Looks like Isiahs trying hard.

Kenyon Martin also might be on the block.


Rocky Mountain News - Denver is said to have shopped Kenyon Martin to the Chicago Bulls , though the Bulls have wavering interest because of Martin's recent injury history and his hefty contract (he is due $65 million through 2010).

Clips interested in Eddie Griffin
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime-060208

The Clippers are getting plenty of low-post production from Elton Brand and Chris Kaman and thus have targeted Minnesota's Eddie Griffin -- a big man who prefers the perimeter -- as an ideal catch before the Feb. 23 trading deadline. L.A. is offering Chris Wilcox, according to NBA front-office sources, but the Wolves have resisted, even though Griffin is in and out of coach Dwane Casey's rotation.

I had a hard time deciding whether this should go here or in the LOL@The Knicks thread
All the Knicks young players are available
http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/61559.htm

Knicks President Isiah Thomas is desperate to shake things up by the Feb. 23 trading deadline — preferably by adding a point guard, with Denver's Earl Watson his top target.

Thomas' edict less than two months ago that he won't trade the young kids is history. A league source said two of the Knicks' three rookie first-rounders — Nate Robinson and David Lee — could be included in deals. Small forward Trevor Ariza could be included, too.

From the same article, Knicks plan to go after James

The Knicks plan to make a run at free-agent point guard Mike James this summer with the mid-level exception. Bobby Jackson is also a free agent.

Duhon for Gooden?
http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/113939124839120.xml&coll=2

The Chicago Bulls, looking for frontline help, reportedly are interested in Gooden and have tossed out point guard Chris Duhon as bait.

Francis playing alongside Marbury and the team coached by LB? Now thats a real triangle offense.

hahaha. good one. Oh, and that's the funniest av I've seen in a while.

Thanks for those small tidbits Glenn. Looks like Isiahs trying hard.

You sound like Glenn's wife on his wedding night . . .

where have you been giffman?

where have you been giffman?

Nibbling on Glenn's tiny tidbits . . .

I agree with giffman

Duhon for Gooden?
http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/113939124839120.xml&coll=2

The Chicago Bulls, looking for frontline help, reportedly are interested in Gooden and have tossed out point guard Chris Duhon as bait.

Wonder if there is any way we could be a part of this trade?

Gooden to the Bulls
Duhon to the Pistons
Arroyo to the Cavs

Safe to say Ratliff is staying put. I expect Patterson to be gone.

theres something going on with kenyon martin. he didnt play tonight, and when grey asked him if it was his knee, martin responded "ask coach how my knee is" or something like that.

martin & earl to ny
franchise and frye to denver
ariza (or was it lee) rose and crawford to orlando (i may have completely butchered what orlando gets).

from now on, im only posting unsubstantiated internet rumors.

Why would Denver want Francis when they have Andre Miller and Boykins? But then again, they might just be willing to take anyone just to get rid of his contract.

Francis might be able to play the 2 position. They thought/did have nelson at point while Franic would be play the 2.

Kenyon Martiin not wanted in Bulls or Knicks.


Houston Chronicle - The Rockets moved close to a deal to acquire Keith Bogans from the Charlotte Bobcats as soon as today, three individuals within the NBA who had knowledge of the deal said Wednesday.

Bogans, a 6-5 forward/guard who is signed through this season, would offer a strong defender and another catch-and-shoot option.

The Bobcats, devastated with front-court injuries, would likely seek Lonny Baxter in the deal, but because they are under the salary cap, they would not have to make the salaries match.

Duhon for Gooden?
http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/113939124839120.xml&coll=2

The Chicago Bulls, looking for frontline help, reportedly are interested in Gooden and have tossed out point guard Chris Duhon as bait.

Wonder if there is any way we could be a part of this trade?

Gooden to the Bulls
Duhon to the Pistons
Arroyo to the Cavs

Maybe if we involved Milicic somehow. Otherwise Arroyo has very little value, and definitely not enough to get Duhon. Why would Cleveland choose Arroyo over Duhon?? Our last hope at moving Arroyo probably faded away when he looked like garbage during the Atlanta game. I beleive he has gotten to the point where we'll need to force a team into taking him by insisting he be included in any Milicic deals.

Houston Chronicle - One thing was clear: Keith Bogans was acquired for the purpose of contributing, so either Derek Anderson or Jon Barry would be jettisoned or remain inactive for the foreseeable future. On Friday afternoon, coach Jeff Van Gundy announced that the Rockets are actively seeking to trade Anderson.

Anderson is getting shopped around.

theres something going on with kenyon martin. he didnt play tonight, and when grey asked him if it was his knee, martin responded "ask coach how my knee is" or something like that.

martin & earl to ny
franchise and frye to denver
ariza (or was it lee) rose and crawford to orlando (i may have completely butchered what orlando gets).

from now on, im only posting unsubstantiated internet rumors.

kmart played last night and had 34/9 (woohoo! he's on my fantasy squad)

Houston Chronicle - One thing was clear: Keith Bogans was acquired for the purpose of contributing, so either Derek Anderson or Jon Barry would be jettisoned or remain inactive for the foreseeable future. On Friday afternoon, coach Jeff Van Gundy announced that the Rockets are actively seeking to trade Anderson.

Be still my beating heart.

Seattle may be looking to move Lewis and/or Allen, along with Fortson, Evans, Murray.

Also rumor has it expect Larry Brown to take a leave of absence in the next 10 days. It is highy likley "health" will cause him to be 1 and done in`NY. Dolan is reportedly is sick of Brown's blame game tactics and back door politics, he is not much happier with Zeke but feels that Zeke has a real commitment to the Knicks. not just a contract that says so. In the end that may not be enough to save Zeke's job.

Apparently Larry Brown's agent has already spoken to Knicks management about a buyout in case health prevents LB from continuing.

So the only guy they want to keep is Ridinour? Nice.

You gotta think Brown pulling that twice in 2 years will burn his rep, much more so because its in New York where the Post will bring out extra editions just to profit more from harping on the guy.

Seattle may be looking to move Lewis and/or Allen, along with Fortson, Evans, Murray.

Also rumor has it expect Larry Brown to take a leave of absence in the next 10 days. It is highy likley "health" will cause him to be 1 and done in`NY. Dolan is reportedly is sick of Brown's blame game tactics and back door politics, he is not much happier with Zeke but feels that Zeke has a real commitment to the Knicks. not just a contract that says so. In the end that may not be enough to save Zeke's job.

Apparently Larry Brown's agent has already spoken to Knicks management about a buyout in case health prevents LB from continuing.

......

Why woud NYK give LB a dime on a buyout?? LB should have to pay the KNicks to get out of his contract for crissakes.

Allen would love to play in the East, however I don't see the NYK making the move because Frye would surely have to be included and you simply don't trade the next KG(if you listen to Knick fans)...

might as well throw in the latest rumor that the Magic are trading Francis and Battie to NY for Crawford, Penny, and Trevor Ariza.

i do hope we can somehow get an unprotected pick as the Magic are looking to suck the rest of the season....

Link (http://www.deadspin.com/sports/nba/darkos-mood-bewildered-154956.php)


We’re still waiting on our friends at Free Darko to chime in, but ESPN has the story: The enigma, the monster, the wooly mammoth, the reckoning that is Darko Milicic is close to being traded, along with Carlos Arroyo, to the Orlando Magic for a first round pick and Kelvin Cato. (And who wouldn’t make that same deal for Dywane Wade or Carmelo Anthony? Who’s with us?!)
http://www.deadspin.com/sports/freedarkoimage.jpg
The story of Darko in Detroit has been a bizarre, rather limp and pallid one that is extensively detailed here. And the story of Darko will never be complete without including ESPN’s Chad Ford, whose career has been linked to Darko’s ever since comparing him to Hakeem Olajuwon and Kevin Garnett back when Ford was pretty much the only guy who had ever seen him play. We have always wondered what Darko thought of Ford, this short red-headed American who always seemed to light up when he walked in the room. Why is he so excited? Think he has any smokes?

Darko traded. Sad day.

Darko Freed (http://tigers-fan.blogspot.com/2006/02/darko-freed.html)
Darko Trade Close (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2331049)

If you are looking to ask some questions about trade rumors, you might want to check out these two chats.

Maybe they'll even talk about the guy that isn't supposed to be mentioned in this thread.

Sheridan today at 5 PM
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=10840

Ford tomorrow at Noon
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=10841


I do not endore the "information" that these two will be passing along, however. Actually, Sheridan's not bad.

I posted a question for Chris, so we'll see if he can enlighten us with his wonderous "insider info."

Looks like Sheridan blew off his chat.

He was scheduled at 5 pm, I heard him at 5:30 on ESPNNEWS (on my XM), and now it says that he'll chat at 6 pm, and it's now 6:40.

LOL@Glenn working OT.

i heard Kelvin Cato got traded....

Should this turn into the "Trade Rumor Central (Kelvin Cato edition)" thread now??

Should this turn into the "Trade Rumor Central (Kelvin Cato edition)" thread now??

prolly....cause thats all anyone here is gonna be caring about

The Pistons, though, are expected to make a run at veterans Speedy Claxton (New Orleans), Tyronn Lue (Atlanta) and Brevin Knight (Charlotte). Claxton and Lue are in the final years of their contracts and make $3.6 million. Knight makes $4.6 this season and $4.4 in 2006-2007. Trading Cato for any of those players would still leave the Pistons deep enough under the luxury tax threshold to re-sign Wallace and Billups. Detroit News

Claxton would be fucking great but i don't see NO doing that.

IF Cato was healthy I could see the Brevin Knight trade actually happening as Charlotte's front court is decimated by injury. Cato and Minnesota's 2nd rounder for Knight sorta deal.

When is Cato supposed to return?? Maybe Kander and Abdenour can work their magic...

And we'd get a sizeable TE to boot I believe. However I am not sure about this, because Cato is an expiring deal...

IF Cato was healthy I could see the Brevin Knight trade actually happening as Charlotte's front court is decimated by injury. Cato and Minnesota's 2nd rounder for Knight sorta deal.

When is Cato supposed to return?? Maybe Kander and Abdenour can work their magic...

And we'd get a sizeable TE to boot I believe. However I am not sure about this, because Cato is an expiring deal...

Why not just send them DD and Evans for Knight? All we are saving DD for is to battle Shaq, and assuming Cato is healthy by the playoffs, we could simply use him for 5 minutes a game.

Joe Dumars will not do that to Dale Davis. Send the poor guy to the worst team in the league and good luck ever signing a wily vet as insurance ever again. DD signed here for a chance to win. After this season, I think all bets are off and I believe he was going to be traded where his expiring contract would have been of great value. However After giving away Milicic, we'll probably keep him around.

I like Knight in Charlotte's offense, but we just moved a flashy "pass first" PG that can't shoot, why would we add another one right back with a similar contract?

Knight's not flashy.

Also, Knight plays good PG D and shoots better than Arroyo ever did here (though neither can make a three to save their life).

Fuck DD. He's always gone where the money is so no need to worry wether or not its "fair" to ship him to a loser.

So you're saying that Knight is a good fit here then? His style is significantly different enough than Arroyo's for you?

No worries about his contract?

Ford today at Noon
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=10841

Ford chat today, let's pepper him with questions that he'll avoid like the plague.

I'm saying Knight is significantly different from Arroyo in that Knight seems to be able to orchestrate an offense and won't be a liability (let alone the fouling wet paper bag Arroyo was) on deffense.

I don't know if he's the right choice or not. I like him better than Watson and no I don't have a big problem with his contract

Its 4.6 this year and 4.4 in 07 with a team option for 4.2 in 08. I thought Arroyo's contract was fine if he could actually produce. But if Davidson doesn't want to add that kind of money, then he doesn't want to spend enough for anyone decent.

Sorta off-topic, but who is going to be our back-up pointguard next season?? Alex Acker?? Is Lindsay Hunter going to come back for another season?? Or are we going to have to look to add one in the FA market?? If it's the latter case, we might as well trade for a MLE-type salaried PG right now because we could probably get them for less years, than say trying to sign one in the off-season, which would probably want three years minimum.

I'd look at any PG's with one year left after this current year as a better option than an expring deal.

^i'd like to trade for one with 2 years left on their deal. that would buy some time for any young PG we develop (Acker or other), and yet still not be a financial burden on extensions.

Two league executives said the Cavs have had discussions about trading Gooden for Denver Nuggets point guard Earl Watson and Golden State Warriors point guard Derek Fisher, among others.

http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/13881638.htm

Looks like Nene is busting his ass to get back in April.

This could be big for the Nuggets, and could effect what they do/don't do at the trade deadline.

They are still a distant 4th in the West at best IMO.

(p.s. MOLA, I think we may need to launch an investigation. It appears that Kander is selling the llama blood on the side.)

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_3518384


Nene on recovery fast track

After injuring knee in opener, the Nuggets forward may return for playoffs.

By Adam Thompson
Denver Post Staff Writer
DenverPost.com

The numbers are not what astonish Nuggets strength coach Steve Hess when he measures Nene's progress. It's that they're lower than they were on opening night, when the Denver forward blew out his right knee against the San Antonio Spurs.

Hess measures Nene at 264 pounds, with 9 percent body fat. That's down from 268 pounds and 11 percent body fat in early November, without a single full game or practice. It was enough for a Brazilian countryman of Nene's, Toronto's Rafael Araujo, to pull Hess aside.

"You tell me how many people doing rehab drop their body fat," Hess said. "The dude has abs. Araujo said, 'Yo, Steve, what are you doing with that cat?' He was freaked out. (Nene) looks unbelievable. His body fat is down, he's totally into it. He's restructuring his whole body."

The team has no set return date for Nene, but Hess believes Nene can resume practicing in early April. Though it may still be a longshot, it's not inconceivable to think he could provide a burst of adrenaline and needed size come playoff time, especially if Denver reaches the second round in May.

Reached via e-mail, Nene thanked Hess for his work and said of his rehab: "My goal has always been to get back on the court, at least practicing with the team, this season. I am working very hard to accomplish that goal. Once I am back on the practice court, we will see how I am from there."

Hess has worked with about 30 injured knees similar to what Nene experienced and said he has never seen a faster recovery. Nene spends between 90 minutes and three hours six days a week on rehabbing his leg, as well as the rest of his body.

In late December, the team measured the circumference of his leg at 3, 6 and 9 inches above his kneecap and found the thigh had atrophied by 2 inches. Hess said he had a similar injury and it took him two years to get his leg muscles symmetrical again.

"Raef LaFrentz and Eric Williams did a brilliant, brilliant job," Hess said of two ex-Nuggets he worked with. "But I've yet to meet a guy as absolutely committed as Nene. The cool thing about him is he's so stubborn that every new thing that you introduce, he'll ask a bunch of questions. 'Why am I doing this? So you have to explain exactly why.

"But once he buys into it, it's a wrap. ... He's become very religious. So the things he believes in is religion, basketball and family. So that's all he does."

Of course, to make Denver's postseason roster, Nene first must survive the NBA's Feb. 23 trade deadline. He becomes a restricted free agent this summer, meaning the Nuggets could match any contract he signs with another team. But if they fear losing him - Chicago, Toronto and Atlanta all are thought to be interested - they may look to get something for him now.

Nene said he has no reason to believe he won't be in Denver next month, adding: "I am flattered that teams are considering adding me to their squads. I can only take it as a compliment, and am grateful."

Coach George Karl said he does not want to let himself start dreaming yet about Nene returning next season. But he also admits that as the Nuggets stand now, a bulky team like the Los Angeles Clippers could provide a matchup problem in the playoffs.

Nene could make a difference, depending on the opponent.

"Who are we playing?" Karl said. "I think if we're playing one of the bigger teams, he could."

The Nuggets keep stressing patience when monitoring Nene.

"I want him to do what he feels is good," general manager Kiki Vandeweghe said. "The physical part is a non-issue. He's going to be ready to play. But the mental part is just as important, if not more important."

LA Lakers are supposedly in the Steve-o Franchise sweepstakes, said to be offering Lamar Odom and his bloated as hell contract. Is that good or bad news for our draft pick hopes...

To tell you the truth, I think Odam is proof that you just cant play next to kobe. I think he's a hell of a talent. He could make orlando into a 6-8th playoff spot team.

Odom to ORL could cut into Darko's minutes

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AiKDIGXUwLzRxKQFnrq2Q2a8vLYF?slug=cnnsi-letsmakeadeal&prov=cnnsi&type=lgns



Let's make a deal

Jack McCallum, SI.com

Updated on Friday, Feb 17, 2006 12:21 pm EST

So, whaddya got? A player or two? Used pickup truck? How about some of those old Star Wars action figures, the ones that came in that gorgeous retro gold case?

Isiah Thomas will listen. The way everyone tells it, just about everybody on his New York Knicks roster with the exception of Channing Frye and Walt Frazier (oh, he doesn't play anymore?) is available. Here's one possibility: Stephon Marbury and Penny Hardaway for two Luke Skywalkers, a C-3PO and a Ford 150 to be named later.

Yes, with the NBA trading deadline set for next Thursday, word around the league is that the Knicks' general manager is willing to make some moves in a continued effort to -- how shall we put this? -- upgrade the roster. Only a wise guy would note that, in Larry Brown's first season, the roster seemingly can't be downgraded.

But let's leave the Knicks out of this for a change and pick on somebody else. Which other teams need to make a deal? One could argue that there are, oh, 25 of them, so far ahead of the pack are the Detroit Pistons, San Antonio Spurs, Dallas Mavericks and, to a lesser extent, the Phoenix Suns and Miami Heat. But this is a five-pack format, so here are five. Keep in mind that the Free Darko movement has already succeeded in getting Mr. Milicic out of Detroit (he's in Orlando) and that several other deals might come down after I write this on Thursday morning.

1. Denver Nuggets

G.M. Kiki Vandeweghe hates the fact that trade scenarios are made public. I feel for him, but, his public denials to the contrary, the Nuggets are trying to make a deal. Concentration has settled on Kenyon Martin, whose monster rebounding skills are a lure. On the other hand, his volatile temperament and monster contract are turnoffs: After he gets his $10.6 million this season, he is still owed about $70.8 million through 2011. The Nugs need to move him since they'll be giving Carmelo Anthony a max deal in two years, but there are few teams in position to take him. (Well, maybe the Knicks.)

I'm not sure that their most tradeable piece isn't either of their two backup Earl guards, Boykins, an undersized but underrated player with a modest contract, and Watson, who was dangled early in the season. Either is a potential starter on several other teams.

2. Minnesota Timberwolves

They did well by unloading Michael Olowokandi, a drain on anyone's roster, to the Boston Celtics a few weeks ago. But they shouldn't stop there. They are one of the most disappointing teams in the league, and G.M. Kevin McHale will not hesitate to pull the trigger. But as for the obvious question ... no, he won't trade Kevin Garnett. Besides the Big Ticket, McHale's next most valuable piece might be the underrated Trenton Hassell, a defensive stopper and a good one-on-one player, but he won't part with him, either. Look for a deal involving point guard Marko Jaric, who looks uncomfortable playing with K.G.

3. Cleveland Cavaliers

Yes, they have LeBron James. But Danny Ferry, the Cavs' first-year G.M., is a smart guy and knows his team is nowhere near the Pistons or the Heat, and, for that matter, not much better than the Milwaukee Bucks, New Jersey Nets or Indiana Pacers (even with the injured Jermaine O'Neal). That became even more apparent when Larry Hughes got the depressing news that his broken finger required a second surgery. Ferry isn't going to mortgage the future, but he comes from a winning tradition with the San Antonio Spurs.

I could see him parting with Drew Gooden, whose relentless rebounding would be attractive to any number of teams, in exchange for a shooter to take the pressure off James.

4. Golden State Warriors

Ever so quietly, the Northern Californians have turned what seemed to be a playoff-bound season into a supreme disappointment. Point guard Baron Davis, who should be channeling, say, Chauncey Billups, is channeling Steve Francis instead. But no team is going to take on Davis' contract, which has $49 million left after this season. The Warriors also have two other big-contract guys in Jason Richardson and Troy Murphy, and, for good measure, they owe Adonal Foyle $34 million through '09 -- Adonal Foyle! Untradeables all, though they probably wouldn't want to get rid of Murphy in any case.

That leaves Mike Dunleavy, and I could see his outside touch being valuable to any number of teams.

5. Philadelphia 76ers

My guess is, the 76ers will slide into the Eastern Conference playoffs as the eighth seed. That isn't good enough for a team with one of the most exciting players in the game. So, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls ... I think it's time. Time for the 76ers to part with Allen Iverson.

I'm not suggesting for a minute that Andre Iguodala and Kyle Korver can replace Iverson's scoring. But in any trade scenario, A.I. would bring valuable pieces, probably a legit player, maybe a prospect and a draft pick and also clear cap space to go after a free agent. No deals involving Iverson seem to be in the wind, but this is about which teams need to make a trade, right? It's time to shop A.I. to the West.

Lamar Odom is garbage.

Lamar Odom is garbage.

Lamar Odom led the heat into the playoffs for Dwyane Wade's rookie year. He isn't garbage.

Lamar Odom is garbage.

Lamar Odom led the heat into the playoffs for Dwyane Wade's rookie year. He isn't garbage.

He is one of those athletes that has never been able to put it all together.

He is still a good player though.

(p.s. MOLA, I think we may need to launch an investigation. It appears that Kander is selling the llama blood on the side.)Gotta get that money man, that money man it's still the same now.

RGM is talking about KG to LA for Odom, Bynum and Geroge, maybe with a first rounder...

Comes form somebody on TO board who knows an agent garbage. However LA does have a presser called for Tuesday...

LOL @ anyone who thinks Kobe will be able to play with another star.

Yeah because we all know he's never won with another star before.......

For what it's worth, the Laker fans seem to be only 50/50 on the trade because they seem to love Andrew Bynum. One even suggested that he'd rather throw in 5 first rounders than to include Bynum. The others are trying to substitute Mihm for Bynum. LOL

Not really a trade, but the Clips are about to sign Vin Baker.

Drinks on the house.

I wonder if they even considered Shawn Kemp or not first?

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/clippers/la-sp-nbarep20feb20,1,1163861.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nba-clippe&ctrack=1&cset=true


Clippers Likely to Sign Former All-Star Baker

By Mark Heisler, Times Staff Writer

HOUSTON — Looking for help in unusual places, the Clippers are expected to sign Vin Baker, the fallen four-time All-Star, out of retirement.

The 6-foot-10 Baker made the All-Star game in his second, third and fourth seasons with Milwaukee from 1995 to 1997, and his first in Seattle in 1998, before his career went off a cliff.

He finally acknowledged a drinking problem as he was shuffled to the Boston Celtics, then the New York Knicks and finally the Houston Rockets in his last three seasons, posting single-figure scoring averages in all of them.

He played in 27 games last season with the Knicks and Rockets, averaging 1.3 points

Ray Felton was in a car accident. I wonder if that will have any effect on a potential trade of Brevin Knight?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-bobcats-feltonaccident&prov=ap&type=lgns


Bobcats' Felton slightly hurt in car accident

February 20, 2006

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) -- Charlotte Bobcats guard Raymond Felton was slightly injured in a car accident and his status for an upcoming six-game road trip is unclear.

He was vacationing in Myrtle Beach, S.C., on Sunday when his car was rear-ended while at a red light, the team said Monday. He sustained whiplash and complained of a sore back. The driver of the second car was charged with drunken driving, the Bobcats said in a statement.

The Myrtle Beach Police records department said accident reports for Sunday wouldn't be available until Tuesday. A department spokesman didn't immediately return a phone message from The Associated Press.

"My friends and I are blessed to escape this accident with only minor injuries, and thankfully I was wearing my seat belt," Felton said in a statement.

Felton, the fifth overall pick in the NBA draft, returned to Charlotte and was undergoing further evaluation. The Bobcats play Tuesday night in Denver.

In 53 games this season, Felton is averaging 9.4 points and 4.5 assists in 26 minutes.

I laughed out loud when I saw the Clippers were going to sign Baker. That fat ass hasn't doen shit but drink on his couch the last 2-3 years. He'll probably have a negative impact on that team. Bad signing.

I don't think we were going to get Knight anyways, but I don't think it would have affected talks.

I think Joe Dumars was sending subliminal messages with interviewed and Valente basically had him admitting he was interested in KNight, he was interested in Knight, but the GM not the player...

I was wondering if Felton's mishap might mean Knight might not be dealt at all, not just here.

Nothing too earth-shattering here...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AszsxdYRGIv6WsuKSNX8W3m8vLYF?slug=nba-rumors022006&prov=yhoo&type=lgns


NBA trade rumors

By Yahoo! Sports
February 20, 2006

There's talk, all right.

Now that the NBA All-Star game is behind us and Thursday's trade deadline looms, there's plenty of chatter. Just not about trades.

They're talking about the playoffs – the format, that is. (Should the top two teams in the Western Conference be on a collision course for a meeting in the second round?) And they're talking about the dunk contest, as in what to do with it, after Nate Robinson's controversial victory last Saturday. (Should someone be given 13 chances to complete their final dunk?)

On the trade front, things are largely silent. Plenty of deals have already gone down, thereby diluting the market. The rumors that remain are detailed below and will be updated continually until the trade deadline passes at 3 p.m. ET on Thursday.

Stevie's next franchise: According to Florida Today, Orlando Magic assistant general manager Otis Smith confirmed continuing talks involving point guard Steve Francis, but he denied any discussions with the Los Angeles Lakers about a deal for Lamar Odom. Francis hasn't thrived amid the trade speculation. In nine February games – all but one an Orlando loss – the soon-to-be 29-year-old is averaging 14.1 points on 38.9-percent shooting.

Until the Lakers surfaced recently as a possible destination, the Denver Nuggets and New York Knicks were considered frontrunners in the Francis sweepstakes. The Denver Post reports that there's still life to the rumored three-team trade involving Orlando, Denver and New York. Francis would land in Denver, Earl Watson would become Knicks property and the Magic would acquire injured big man Nene Hilario.

The Chicago Tribune lists the Minnesota Timberwolves, Houston Rockets and Seattle SuperSonics as additional teams in contention for Francis.

Attention K-Mart shoppers: Nuggets power forward Kenyon Martin, the Post reports, is not expected to move before the deadline. It had been rumored that Isiah Thomas was willing to overlook his balky knees and bulky contract, but K-Mart managed to play only eight minutes in his final pre-All-Star game, and teams, including the Knicks, appear to have lost interest.

Dare to gamble on Darius?: The Knicks' most valuable trade commodity – the one they're willing to part with, anyway – is Anfernee Hardaway's expiring contract. According to Newsday, New York is active in talks with the Portland Trail Blazers, and the discussions could lead to Darius Miles and Theo Ratliff landing in the Big Apple.

Ratliff played for Knicks coach Larry Brown in Philadelphia and is a shot-blocking center who can complement defensively challenged pivot Eddy Curry. Miles has battled injuries this season and has baggage, but he is enjoying his best statistical campaign and is just 24. The Knicks would have to package rookie forward David Lee with Hardaway to get a deal done, according to reports.

Clippers cooking up deal for Baker: Three-time All-Star Vin Baker is close to signing a deal with the Los Angeles Clippers, the Orange County Register reported Sunday. Baker, who appeared in 27 games with two teams in 2005, has yet to play a game this season. This is simply a depth deal for the Clips as they continue their run to the playoffs.

A.I. not untouchable: The underachieving Philadelphia 76ers will listen to offers for any player – including Allen Iverson. Sixers chairman Ed Snider told the Philadelphia Inquirer that coach Maurice Cheeks' job is secure, but that he'll entertain offers for any player if the resulting deal improves his team. Iverson recently told reporters that he doesn't understand his role on the team.

Bonzi to Denver pipeline?: Earl Watson's name has surfaced in several trade rumors, one having the Nuggets guard headed to the Sacramento Kings along with Voshon Lenard in exchange for shooting guard Bonzi Wells. The deal, according to the Denver Post, makes financial sense for both teams.

Surely Orlando will move Francis by the deadline. He is a whiny little punk and is sure to ruin any chance of chemistry they may have.

Also, by moving Francis (for the junk being offered) that pretty much guarantees they suck ass for the near future.

Przybilla and Outlaw for Nene is a "rumor" from ESPN. I doubt it happens, unless Portland gets an unprotected pick or swaps Monia in the trade, instead of Outlaw.

KG for Penny Hardaway and Channing Frye?? Minnesota's friggin stupid to even consider the move unless the league promises them a couple lottery wins over the next couple of years. I get the feeling that Frye is a NYK hype job and while a good player, not the phenom they talk him up to be.

KG for Penny Hardaway and Channing Frye?? Minnesota's friggin stupid to even consider the move unless the league promises them a couple lottery wins over the next couple of years. I get the feeling that Frye is a NYK hype job and while a good player, not the phenom they talk him up to be.

If McHale makes that trade, he doesn't deserve to be a GM.

He doesn't deserve to be one now.

KG for Penny Hardaway and Channing Frye?? Minnesota's friggin stupid to even consider the move unless the league promises them a couple lottery wins over the next couple of years. I get the feeling that Frye is a NYK hype job and while a good player, not the phenom they talk him up to be.
Frye seems really soft to me. I think he can be a really good role player but not near the superstar Knick fans make him out to be.

The roles need to be reversed with this trade. New York should be the team looking to add young players and clearing the cap. Minnesota should be the team looking to add talent to go along with KG.

realgm has reached the point where they have to make up rumors to generate some more hits ! ;)

Agreed. Did you guys even see the source on that KG rumor?

Good lord I hope the KG to NY rumor is bullshit.

Channing Frye would be the starting power forward on the all overrated nba team. He is closer to being the next Pete Chilcutt than the next KG.

If McHale does that trade he should be eaten alive by 6 alligators, maybe 7.

Francis is more and more likely to get dealt

If I'm Orlando, I trade Steve's sensitive whiny punk-ass to the Grizzlies on the condition that they immediately move the team back to Vancouver.

Then Steve has to make a formal apology to the city and play the season out with an NBA approved "Lil' Bitch" sash.

Seriously though, New York. Whoever gets the ball from the inbounds is gonna shoot it as soon as they pass halfcourt. It will be "entertaining" if nothing else.

QRich to Minny?
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA022206.8C.COL.BKNmonroe.12d985d9.html


The Knicks also reportedly have talked to the Timberwolves about exchanging Quentin Richardson, who rarely plays, for Marko Jaric, currently pouting after losing his starting spot to Pharaoh's boy, Marcus Banks.

lol@GD claiming Banks is my boy.

He's a fucking scrub (though if he was here Chauncey wouldn't play 42 minutes and 53 seconds)

Just checking to see if anybody is even reading the shit I'm posting here.

Also, it would be funny if that ended up on another forum.

Just checking to see if anybody is even reading the shit I'm posting here.

Also, it would be funny if that ended up on another forum.

What's ending up on other forums?

If I'm Orlando, I trade Steve's sensitive whiny punk-ass to the Grizzlies on the condition that they immediately move the team back to Vancouver.

Then Steve has to make a formal apology to the city and play the season out with an NBA approved "Lil' Bitch" sash.

Seriously though, New York. Whoever gets the ball from the inbounds is gonna shoot it as soon as they pass halfcourt. It will be "entertaining" if nothing else.

Ravage is on fire. [smilie=angryfire.g:

Ravage for ROY! [smilie=cheer.gif]

NYKboard is saying that Orlando chose Hardaway and his expiring deal and not Crawford. It looks like Orlando is in rebuilding mode.

Francis for Penny and Ariza should be announced this afternoon.

I really have no idea what the Knicks are doing here.

Marbury, Francis, Robinson, Crawford, Richardson and Jalen Rose - I think Isiah is trying to kill LB...

Starbury had to hide from QRich yesterday and Richardson wanted to beat him down. Marbury or Q will HAVE to be traded.

Darius Miles and Theorn Ratliff will probably be Knicks by Thurdsay as well.

Good lord I hope the KG to NY rumor is bullshit.

Channing Frye would be the starting power forward on the all overrated nba team. He is closer to being the next Pete Chilcutt than the next KG.

If McHale does that trade he should be eaten alive by 6 alligators, maybe 7.

As Stu Scott would say...


"HATER IN THE HOUSE!"

Channing Frye isn't KG, but Pete Chilcutt? chill....This guy is 18 and 9 every year waiting to happen.

good work keeping this thread up to the minute.

Good work, Cliffy.

I can see you put a lot of blood, sweat and tears into this thread.

Ummm... just for shits and giggles I'll actually post the trade(even though it already has about 5 threads dedicated to it).

Penny and Ariza for the (I'm gonna wreck your, shit it's too late?) Franchise.

I'm not a hater. Frye can play, he's just overrated.

Ney York suck so much ass that as soon as they they get a player that can hit an occasional jumpshot - he must be a hall of famer.

I put Frye into the Richard Jefferson category - Talented, but if he's your best player on the floor, enjoy winning the lottery every year.

Ney York suck so much ass that as soon as they they get a player that can hit an occasional jumpshot - he must be a hall of famer.

This thread has absolutely nothing to do with Trevor Ariza - the "steal of the draft" and a "future HOF'er" (subsequently benched and then traded).

Stay on topic, damnit!

Jamal Crawford for Earl Watson?
http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-spktrade234638131feb23,0,4011595.story?coll=ny-sports-print

Although Thomas said he's satisfied with the team as it is, several NBA executives said it's likely Knicks shooting guard Jamal Crawford will be traded to Denver for backup point guard Earl Watson by today's 3 p.m. NBA trade deadline. The Nuggets need a shooting guard, the Knicks need a backup point guard who doesn't require shots, and the salaries fit NBA trade guidelines.

Sam Smith mentions the Pistons and Spree together
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-060222smith,1,4859067.column?coll=cs-bulls-headlines

Another intriguing player who hasn't played is Latrell Sprewell, who makes sense for a veteran team with a chance to make a run, like Detroit or Miami. Detroit, Miami and San Antonio all are looking to tweak their benches with some depth, the Pistons and Heat at point guard and the Spurs up front.

He also suggets that the Cavs are after Odom

Perhaps the most intriguing team is Cleveland, which supposedly has been talking with the Los Angeles Lakers about a deal for Odom. With Larry Hughes out, the Cavs are desperate for some help for LeBron James and anxious to be rid of Damon Jones.

And he LOL's @ The Knicks a few times, including this gem:

Otherwise, the majority of the talk involves teams trying to rid themselves of big contracts. That's why there was some applause for the Knicks in taking on Francis because that adds to the club's luxury-tax penalty and means additional distributions for teams below the threshold of up to $1 million per team.

The Knicks are trying to lift their record so the draft pick they owe the Bulls won't be so good.

Derek Anderson could go somehwere/anywhere?
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/3679226.html

The Rockets moved close to today's trade deadline without a deal, but at least five teams are considering acquiring guard/forward Derek Anderson.

The Rockets have tried to complete a deal to move Anderson to the Heat, Cavaliers, Lakers, Nuggets or Magic.

From the same article

"Everyone's aggressive right now to try to better their team," Rockets coach Jeff Van Gundy said. "I don't think there's one team that's not aggressively looking to better their team. Some general managers will tell you that. Usually the losing ones, like us ... you guys would think we were nuts if we said, 'You know what, we really like how it's going this year. This is good stuff right here, so we're going to stand pat and feel good.'

"The other ones are going to try to con you. They're trying to get better, too. Detroit is, I'm sure, going to try to find a backup point. Either you're going to try to get better or you're trying to dump contracts so you can get better.

"Either way, you're trying to do something. But every article is the same: We don't expect anything to happen. If it doesn't, 'It's hey I told you.' If it does, it came up at the last second."

Marc Jackson to the Bobcats?
http://www.nypost.com/sports/nets/64042.htm

The Nets appear likely to make a trade before today's deadline, after all.

Marc Jackson was on the verge of being dealt to Charlotte, several league sources said. The move is designed to clear salary, not to import help. One source said the Nets may get back a player earning the NBA minimum salary.

And he LOL's @ The Knicks a few times, including this gem:

Otherwise, the majority of the talk involves teams trying to rid themselves of big contracts. That's why there was some applause for the Knicks in taking on Francis because that adds to the club's luxury-tax penalty and means additional distributions for teams below the threshold of up to $1 million per team.

The Knicks are trying to lift their record so the draft pick they owe the Bulls won't be so good.

That's the old CBA. The new one spreads it out to every team no matter what.

And why do the Bobcats want Jackson?

[Opps, apparently I wasn't as knowledgable as I thought. The new CBA sends tax money to teams under the tax level (they receive a full share 1/30 of the tax money.) Some or all of the remaining money may be reserved by the league for "league purposes." Any remaining tax money that is distributed to teams must go to all teams in equal shares.]

UncleCliffy is manning the phone lines as we speak collecting more info from my sources.

Sam Smith mentions the Pistons and Spree together
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-060222smith,1,4859067.column?coll=cs-bulls-headlines
[quote]Another intriguing player who hasn't played is Latrell Sprewell, who makes sense for a veteran team with a chance to make a run, like Detroit or Miami. Detroit, Miami and San Antonio all are looking to tweak their benches with some depth, the Pistons and Heat at point guard and the Spurs up front.

So if Miami and Detroit need help at PG why would either team sign Sprewell?

And if San Antonio are looking for help up front why would Sprewell be a target?

Sam Smith is a fucking fool

Let's trade Uncle Cliffy!

What do you think we could get for him???

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/audio/index.ssf?/pistons/audio/audio06.html

Dumars says "it looks like today will come and go without us doing anything" "there's nothing out there for Cato".

[smilie=alpacacall.:


Penny and Ariza for the (I'm gonna wreck your, shit it's too late?) Franchise.

[smilie=applause.gi:

LAME! [smilie=puke.gif] [smilie=sad.gif]

lets hope we can get a guy like Tony Delk if Atlanta cuts him...

Chad Fraud today at noon: http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=10891

And who else would you rather get your inside info from but Dee Brown (2 pm)? http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=10901

This just my opinion but I think the Pistons are done dealing even if a team was willing to give away a guy for Cato. Joe won't take back any salary beyond this year, so it makes it impossible to get a deal done without giving up something that benifits the trade partner. The last few years Joe has stated until the deadline is past don't rule out anything, do to limited options he knows the door is closed and has thrown in the towel for making a deal.

I truly believe that we could get a helluva deal if Joe was willing to take on 06-07 salary, I get not wanting years beyond that but Chauncey can be a FA next year not this year. All Joe has to deal with now is giving Ben an extra 5-6 million, Tay's deal is on the books.

I don't think we're going to trade either, but I expect the Pistons to add a veteran PG to their roster - might as well burn that available roster spot. Both Joe and DFlip have hinted at doing so, I think they must know who's going to be cut or have their eyes set on a D-Leaguer..

UncleCliffy is reporting a 3 way deal...

Reggie Evans and Ruben Patterson to Denver
Earl Watson to Seattle
Vitaly Potepenko and Voshon Lenard to Portland.

link to back up UC

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2341845

March 1st

New deadline.

This is absolute bullshit that the Pistons didn't try to make a deal to shore up the pg position. They have 28 mins. They better do something or I'm going to go on a tirade.

I've got the "THE SKY IS FALLING" thread locked and loaded.

My watch says 3:03.

No trade?

Sometimes they trickle in as late as 5 pm.

We'll unsticky this later.