Why do some white people think that the level of racism in the world today is "not that bad"?

And can you explain what "not that bad" actually means?

Because getting shot 10 times "is not that bad" if the guy next to you gets shot 20 times.

BTW, as a white man I guess I should know all the answers but I guess I took a Black History class the day they taught racism

I'll be serious on this answer. Replace the words "not that bad" with "less overt", and you've got it.

Also, a bit of what we call "racism" these days is nothing more than over-sensitive fucks getting all bent over a word or two. People are too quick to pre-judge and blast out at somebody because of a comment, even though their body of work is contradictory to the nature of the comment.

Still, there's tons of work to be done. I think the internet is really helping many of the kids in areas where the racial slant is high, and teaching comes from a 50 year old who fondly remembers "back in the day, when the world was white and right".

Sorry, I'm not gonna touch this subject at all.

It is something that I would actually love to discuss and have it be a serious topic but I think that's unlikely.

If by some miracle it remained a serious topic someone eventually is gonna get offended.

I hope it goes well though. It should be an interesting read for many people considering the mix of races we have here.

Revised title. That should keep it serious.

lol - I doubt it.

There are just certain topics that can't be discussed.

Religion, God, the real GWB, the US foreign policy and race are those topics

Such is life.

I am surprised this didn't get more responses though

Leave it another day or so and if no one cares about this then swat it

It's not that no one cares... Like you said though, it's an argument that would have no winners.

I do laugh when people say "Well, it's not as bad as it used to be" as if that somehow makes everything that does still happen OK

I agree with Pharoah, I don't talk about religion or racism as I take those issues seriously

Sorry, I'm not gonna touch this subject at all.

It is something that I would actually love to discuss and have it be a serious topic but I think that's unlikely.

If by some miracle it remained a serious topic someone eventually is gonna get offended.

I hope it goes well though. It should be an interesting read for many people considering the mix of races we have here.

Touche

LOL@this thread

It's gonna be a bunch of people agreeing the subject can't be discussed without it blowing up.

I'm basking in my own brilliance.

Could this be the first topical thread EVER with a consensus opinion?

Look how I'm bringing the WTF family back together.

And who said we were dysfunctional? [smilie=2thumbsup.g:

Everyone is racist. You may not say it, but just thinking it makes you racist.

Ever thought that some black person who has a nice car or SUV is a drug dealer, racism.

Ever thought that a white guy is acting black and call him a wigger, racism.

Ever thought a white person who has a bunch of shit is because their parents gave it to them, racism.

It comes in all shapes and sizes and the funny thing is that people have as much racism towards their own race as they do against other races.

White people calling other white people white trash or wigger, black people calling other black people nigger.

It is not any better, it has just taken a different shape. Sure maybe you have more friends who are black or oriental or hispanic, and the world is a better place for it, but it is still out there.

I am racist, I am not proud of it, but the fact is that when I see a white guy acting black, I think he is a stupid wigger or when I see some nasty bitch and think she is white trash or I see some black guy with gold teeth and I think he is a stupid nigger.

Most people are equal opportunity racist, just that the media and shit likes to just point it out when it is happening to minorities, but it happens to all races.

The problem is not the subject of racism, the problem is when one race thinks they have it worse than any other race.


Art

The problem is not the subject of racism, the problem is when one race thinks they have it worse than any other race.


Art
your perogative, but i dont agree. the idea that its on level playing field and your last statement there is the real problem is naive.

I am talking worldwide, not just the US.

BTW which race do you think has it the worst? Blacks, not anymore, that would be those who look middle eastern.

Lets do this

If a white guy, a black guy and a guy from the middle east are going for the same job, who is the most likely not to get the job no matter who has the best creditials for the job?


Art

I am talking worldwide, not just the US.

BTW which race do you think has it the worst? Blacks, not anymore, that would be those who look middle eastern.

Lets do this

If a white guy, a black guy and a guy from the middle east are going for the same job, who is the most likely not to get the job no matter who has the best creditials for the job?


Art
dude you're a lil ignorant to being black and middle eastern i see. just because they calling them sand n****rs doesnt move black people up in the food chain. theres enough hate for both parties.

Its understandable ignorance like that making racism a tough discuss subject. i dont even have patience to explain how backwards that idea is.


Racism variates as do the variables surrounding it from country to country. its tied into culture and you really cant generalize it on a world level IMO. But for the record you cant say its a world thing then relate the old "two guys in the room for a job offer" theory to it that got played out a decade ago.

And just like that this thread is off and running.

dude you're a lil ignorant to being black and middle eastern i see.

What? Me no speak your language.


just because they calling them sand n****rs doesnt move black people up in the food chain. theres enough hate for both parties.

Are you saying at this time that people from the middle east have it easier than people of African-American descent?

I am still confused by your first part....are you suggesting that I do not know that black people and middle eastern people are not the same race? I get that, I never said they were.


Its understandable ignorance like that making racism a tough discuss subject. i dont even have patience to explain how backwards that idea is. What idea? That African-Americans are not the number hated race by white people in American anymore? If you think they are still, then you are the one who is truly ignorant.


The problem is not the subject of racism, the problem is when one race thinks they have it worse than any other race.


Art

your perogative, but i dont agree. the idea that its on level playing field and your last statement there is the real problem is naive.

This leads me to this....


Racism variates as do the variables surrounding it from country to country. its tied into culture and you really cant generalize it on a world level IMO. But for the record you cant say its a world thing then relate the old "two guys in the room for a job offer" theory to it that got played out a decade ago.

I am confused on what you are talking about. I am talking world wide with my statement here. Each country has their own thing about who the most amount of racism is directed at.

My whole thing about white, black and middle east was to show that blacks would get the job before the middle eastern person nowadays, but the white guy would still get it over the other two.

It plays out differently in each country.

Rorsach you come off as an arrognant asshole, that only their opinion matters and then says they dont have the patience or time to tell that person why they are wrong...instead they hide behind calling someone ignorant and then make statements that make no sense for the most part.

Maybe I am just the stupiest sumofabitch (I should get quite a few nods of heads with this) and what you are trying to say is as plain as the nose on my face, but really I dont understand what you are saying because to me you are not saying anything more than you are and ignorant.

Oh well Pharoah was right. I am done with this topic. Good luck to whoever wants to keep it going.


Art

My GOD.

...what have I done....

I'm glad you're done. your post explains you pretty well for all the wrong reasons. once again i dont have the patience to duke it out with you on your representation of the white race and your threshold the "hate" list.

You are definately a prime candidate to not join this topic. more than Steve possibly.

My GOD.

...what have I done....
nothing. you decided to touch a subject that really hasnt gone well the last time it came up.*see kanye related threads from old site*...

otherwise you did nothing [smilie=angel.gif]

The problem is not the subject of racism, the problem is when one race thinks they have it worse than any other race.


While you can argue that one group does or doesn't have it worse than another, they do have it different and the details matter.

Everyone is racist. You may not say it, but just thinking it makes you racist.

Ever thought that some black person who has a nice car or SUV is a drug dealer, racism.

Ever thought that a white guy is acting black and call him a wigger, racism.

Ever thought a white person who has a bunch of shit is because their parents gave it to them, racism.

It comes in all shapes and sizes and the funny thing is that people have as much racism towards their own race as they do against other races.

White people calling other white people white trash or wigger, black people calling other black people nigger.

It is not any better, it has just taken a different shape. Sure maybe you have more friends who are black or oriental or hispanic, and the world is a better place for it, but it is still out there.

I am racist, I am not proud of it, but the fact is that when I see a white guy acting black, I think he is a stupid wigger or when I see some nasty bitch and think she is white trash or I see some black guy with gold teeth and I think he is a stupid nigger.

Most people are equal opportunity racist, just that the media and shit likes to just point it out when it is happening to minorities, but it happens to all races.

The problem is not the subject of racism, the problem is when one race thinks they have it worse than any other race.


Art


Wouldnt that be more sterotypes than racism?

Racism to me is way more extreme.

Like Klansman are racists.

If I see a black person driving around in a very expensive SUV fully loaded and then some and he's got on all thuged out cloths, of course i'm gonna think drug dealer, or rapper. But more likely, drug dealer.

I think everyone is racist in some way. To deny it would be lying.

I think everyone is racist in some way. To deny it would be lying.Word.

Also, the mere fact that this thread exists just proves that everybody has at least some racism in them.

to assume someone is a criminal (drug Dealer, hitman, theif or whatever) before they were convicted based upon their skin color is racism. Stereotypes are an element of racism but there is a difference.

For example you see a young dude get out of a fully loaded SUV wearing hip hop fashion. If he's white you think he's a spolied rotten rich kid who's parents bought him that stuff, and that's stereotyping, however it is not racism. If the guys black you assume he's a drug dealer, and that is racism. Why? because it's harmful, the white stereotype doesn't hinder the movement of white people but to mentally convict someone of a crime leaves someone restricted.

Also you guys say the Klan is racist, but then sprout off the same shit they say. The Klan doesn't really call for the murder of all black people, they get viewed that way but they don't try to kill every black dude in the world. They support seperating the races and murder is one of their ignorant solutions. They say that races were not meant to live together, and that blacks are of a criminal nature so they have no place in a white society. So if you assume every young black man with money is a drug dealer then you fall right in line with their ideology.

Also, the mere fact that this thread exists just proves that everybody has at least some racism in them.

I don't follow your logic here.

How does Denny starting a racism discussion thread prove that everybody is racist?

[smilie=arnold.gif]

to assume someone is a criminal (drug Dealer, hitman, theif or whatever) before they were convicted based upon their skin color is racism. Stereotypes are an element of racism but there is a difference.

For example you see a young dude get out of a fully loaded SUV wearing hip hop fashion. If he's white you think he's a spolied rotten rich kid who's parents bought him that stuff, and that's stereotyping, however it is not racism. If the guys black you assume he's a drug dealer, and that is racism. Why? because it's harmful, the white stereotype doesn't hinder the movement of white people but to mentally convict someone of a crime leaves someone restricted.

Also you guys say the Klan is racist, but then sprout off the same shit they say. The Klan doesn't really call for the murder of all black people, they get viewed that way but they don't try to kill every black dude in the world. They support seperating the races and murder is one of their ignorant solutions. They say that races were not meant to live together, and that blacks are of a criminal nature so they have no place in a white society. So if you assume every young black man with money is a drug dealer then you fall right in line with their ideology.

Hmm, no. Jumping to conclusions about a young black man with money is just simple prejudice. While distasteful, you'd have to get a lot more foul in both thought and action to graduate to Klan level racism. Throwing everyone into the same extremist category is counter-productive.

Hmm, no. Jumping to conclusions about a young black man with money is just simple prejudice. While distasteful, you'd have to get a lot more foul in both thought and action to graduate to Klan level racism. Throwing everyone into the same extremist category is counter-productive.


What the fuck is klan level racism? The Ku Klux Klan preach EXACTLY what has been said here!!! So if you don't burn a cross in someone's yard you aren't a racist now? Then most klansmen aren't racist either, because most of those bitches just sit around and run their mouths.

And how the fuck can assuming someone is a criminal because of their skin color be a simple prejudice? A simple prejudice would be 'he's black so i'm sure he can play basketball good' or 'he's asian so he must be good at math', but to assume someone's cultural heritage is crime... that's racist AND stupid.

Hmm, no. Jumping to conclusions about a young black man with money is just simple prejudice. While distasteful, you'd have to get a lot more foul in both thought and action to graduate to Klan level racism. Throwing everyone into the same extremist category is counter-productive.


What the fuck is klan level racism? The Ku Klux Klan preach EXACTLY what has been said here!!! So if you don't burn a cross in someone's yard you aren't a racist now? Then most klansmen aren't racist either, because most of those bitches just sit around and run their mouths.

And how the fuck can assuming someone is a criminal because of their skin color be a simple prejudice? A simple prejudice would be 'he's black so i'm sure he can play basketball good' or 'he's asian so he must be good at math', but to assume someone's cultural heritage is crime... that's racist AND stupid.

The point, which you missed by a mile, is that there are degrees of racism. Starting at the very mildest where a person harbors some stereotypes and pre judges people based on them. Often times that springs less from hatred than from ignorance and/or fear and it can be mitigated by reason and interaction. Also, it doesn't matter whether the stereotype is positive (basketball) or negative (young, black and rich = drug dealer) it's the same thing.

At the other extreme is the Klan, adding a potent strain of hatred and fanaticism to ignorance and fear. Broadly stated, their agenda is to make white supremacy and seperatism the law of the land, enforced by violence, intimidation and terror. Even the ones that are just running their mouths are running their mouths about exactly those kinds of things and there's a hardcore element that would still do a lot more than run their mouths about it.

Lumping the two extremes together is just dumb.

Racism is "conditioned". It's a learned trait.

You can learn it from your 60 year old gramps. You can learn it from the media. You can even learn it from the race itself.

But, like everything learned, it can be unlearned. There is "choice".

That's why it's so unacceptable.


When one sees a black man rolling in a hooptie Escalade with spinner rims and next-level sound system dialed to 11, I think to myself "that's so black".... only because 9 times out of ten a black man IS driving. That's not racist, that's assumption, just like how a beat up 1976 F150 with a gun rack in the back window and a labrador wearing a bandana around it's neck SHOULD have a redneck with a sweet mullet behind the steering wheel. More often than not, that's the case, so I ASSUME it's also the case this time.

The Lions are going to lose this weekend. Why? Because they more often than not DO lose. One is assuming based on past experience. If they win, great!

But probably not.

Racism is not about past experience. Racism is about hate. The black man rolling in the Caddy I do not HATE. I'm merely stating that what he's doing is not unusual for a black man with wealth in Los Angeles, probably a black man in the entertainment or sports field. Stereotyping, sure. Hating, no. He's probably a very cool cat. It's an assumption born of repitition. I see it all the time.

The point, which you missed by a mile, is that there are degrees of racism. Starting at the very mildest where a person harbors some stereotypes and pre judges people based on them. Often times that springs less from hatred than from ignorance and/or fear and it can be mitigated by reason and interaction. Also, it doesn't matter whether the stereotype is positive (basketball) or negative (young, black and rich = drug dealer) it's the same thing.

At the other extreme is the Klan, adding a potent strain of hatred and fanaticism to ignorance and fear. Broadly stated, their agenda is to make white supremacy and seperatism the law of the land, enforced by violence, intimidation and terror. Even the ones that are just running their mouths are running their mouths about exactly those kinds of things and there's a hardcore element that would still do a lot more than run their mouths about it.

Lumping the two extremes together is just dumb.

There is different degrees of dedication to racism, Different believes of racism and different actions racists take. What dude said could have been straight out of a KKK pamphlet, and I'm not supposed to link it together because KKK is bad? THEN DON'T THINK LIKE KLANSMEN DIPSHIT!

A drug dealer is a criminal who gets locked up because he serves no purpose in society, he only harms it. This is why the Klan wants to isolate white people from other races, because they view blacks (and latinos and everyone else) as harmful and wasteful. that's the same thought process. If every black man with money is a criminal, then you're saying that every black man with money has no place in your society.

Also the shit you said ain't true. The KKK doesn't say they want run things by intimidation, terror and violence. Everytime some klan member does some stupid shit they disown him and say he doesn't represent the klan. They wouldn't be allowed to protest in front of countless city halls if their message was to beat/kill minorities. If they said that garbage they would be labeled a terrorist group and the government (that isn't actually KKK members themselves) would be chasing them down. They are assholes without question, but they aren't openly violent assholes.

Also the shit you said ain't true. The KKK doesn't say they want run things by intimidation, terror and violence. Everytime some klan member does some stupid shit they disown him and say he doesn't represent the klan. They wouldn't be allowed to protest in front of countless city halls if their message was to beat/kill minorities. If they said that garbage they would be labeled a terrorist group and the government (that isn't actually KKK members themselves) would be chasing them down. They are assholes without question, but they aren't openly violent assholes.

You win.... the title of KKK Apologist. Wear your crown in style.

Racism is "conditioned". It's a learned trait.

You can learn it from your 60 year old gramps. You can learn it from the media. You can even learn it from the race itself.

But, like everything learned, it can be unlearned. There is "choice".

That's why it's so unacceptable.


When one sees a black man rolling in a hooptie Escalade with spinner rims and next-level sound system dialed to 11, I think to myself "that's so black".... only because 9 times out of ten a black man IS driving. That's not racist, that's assumption, just like how a beat up 1976 F150 with a gun rack in the back window and a labrador wearing a bandana around it's neck SHOULD have a redneck with a sweet mullet behind the steering wheel. More often than not, that's the case, so I ASSUME it's also the case this time.

The Lions are going to lose this weekend. Why? Because they more often than not DO lose. One is assuming based on past experience. If they win, great!

But probably not.

Racism is not about past experience. Racism is about hate. The black man rolling in the Caddy I do not HATE. I'm merely stating that what he's doing is not unusual for a black man with wealth in Los Angeles, probably a black man in the entertainment or sports field. Stereotyping, sure. Hating, no. He's probably a very cool cat. It's an assumption born of repitition. I see it all the time.


Lock the thread, Denny wins.

Also, the mere fact that this thread exists just proves that everybody has at least some racism in them.

I don't follow your logic here.

How does Denny starting a racism discussion thread prove that everybody is racist?

[smilie=arnold.gif]Because of nobody were racist, then we wouldn't even bother to talk about it...we'd be above it all.

Also the shit you said ain't true. The KKK doesn't say they want run things by intimidation, terror and violence. Everytime some klan member does some stupid shit they disown him and say he doesn't represent the klan. They wouldn't be allowed to protest in front of countless city halls if their message was to beat/kill minorities. If they said that garbage they would be labeled a terrorist group and the government (that isn't actually KKK members themselves) would be chasing them down. They are assholes without question, but they aren't openly violent assholes.

You win.... the title of KKK Apologist. Wear your crown in style.

yeah ok i'm a KKK apologist, while y'all practice KKK philosophies.

where do you see anything that says i follow the beliefs of the klan? where do i say anything that even remotely connects myself to them? I couldn't be any further removed from those shitheads. I just want to know my enemy and chose to read about what i'd like to destroy. Where as you just want to cast them into some sort of elite version of racism and ignorantly continue to think in the same manner they do.

Racism is "conditioned". It's a learned trait.

You can learn it from your 60 year old gramps. You can learn it from the media. You can even learn it from the race itself.

But, like everything learned, it can be unlearned. There is "choice".

That's why it's so unacceptable.


When one sees a black man rolling in a hooptie Escalade with spinner rims and next-level sound system dialed to 11, I think to myself "that's so black".... only because 9 times out of ten a black man IS driving. That's not racist, that's assumption, just like how a beat up 1976 F150 with a gun rack in the back window and a labrador wearing a bandana around it's neck SHOULD have a redneck with a sweet mullet behind the steering wheel. More often than not, that's the case, so I ASSUME it's also the case this time.

The Lions are going to lose this weekend. Why? Because they more often than not DO lose. One is assuming based on past experience. If they win, great!

But probably not.

Racism is not about past experience. Racism is about hate. The black man rolling in the Caddy I do not HATE. I'm merely stating that what he's doing is not unusual for a black man with wealth in Los Angeles, probably a black man in the entertainment or sports field. Stereotyping, sure. Hating, no. He's probably a very cool cat. It's an assumption born of repitition. I see it all the time.


Lock the thread, Denny wins.

There are no winners with RaCiSm, only losers.....

Had to get a little fatherly there, just for good measure.

Also the shit you said ain't true. The KKK doesn't say they want run things by intimidation, terror and violence. Everytime some klan member does some stupid shit they disown him and say he doesn't represent the klan. They wouldn't be allowed to protest in front of countless city halls if their message was to beat/kill minorities. If they said that garbage they would be labeled a terrorist group and the government (that isn't actually KKK members themselves) would be chasing them down. They are assholes without question, but they aren't openly violent assholes.

You win.... the title of KKK Apologist. Wear your crown in style.

yeah ok i'm a KKK apologist, while y'all practice KKK philosophies.

where do you see anything that says i follow the beliefs of the klan? where do i say anything that even remotely connects myself to them? I couldn't be any further removed from those shitheads. I just want to know my enemy and chose to read about what i'd like to destroy. Where as you just want to cast them into some sort of elite version of racism and ignorantly continue to think in the same manner they do.

The KKK is not to be feared as much as the subversive kind of racism, the kind you don't see. When a neighbor you've known for years bluts out "fucking nigger" when OJ gets out of his murder charge, that scares me more than anything the Klan says. It's the concealed racism, the hidden kind, that builds up inside of seemingly codial individuals until one day they simply go postal and pull off something horrendous -- THAT is the kind of racism which absolutely terrifies me.

Because you never see it coming.

The KKK is not to be feared as much as the subversive kind of racism, the kind you don't see. When a neighbor you've known for years bluts out "fucking nigger" when OJ gets out of his murder charge, that scares me more than anything the Klan says. It's the concealed racism, the hidden kind, that builds up inside of seemingly codial individuals until one day they simply go postal and pull off something horrendous -- THAT is the kind of racism which absolutely terrifies me.

Because you never see it coming.

EXACTLY!!!

also the extreme situations of lynchings and whatever else they do wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the more commonly thought/spoken things. You can't have snow on top of a mountain without there being a mountain in the first place. Everything builds off of a small ammount of nothing.


Now let's say the same neighbor that cursed slurs towards OJ saw that his black neighbor got money and therefore assumes he must be dealing drugs. Would you want someone you thought was a dealer living in your neighborhood? where you're trying to raise a family? The whole idea of seperation and supremacy is grown from the common stereotypes, not the absurd ones.

while y'all practice KKK philosophies.

Wow, first you start with the KKK isn't so bad and now you're on to saying people you know nothing about "practice KKK philosophies." Just stop digging and climb out of the hole.




where do you see anything that says i follow the beliefs of the klan? where do i say anything that even remotely connects myself to them?

Comprehension. It's important.

a.pol.o.gist- A person who argues in defense or justification of something, such as a doctrine, policy, or institution.

As in you, arguing in defense of how the Klan isn't really that bad.

I guess for me with the whole black thing, it depends on where they live and what they look like. And I hate to admit that, but fuck it, its true and you mother fuckers know i'm not the only one.

Example, I pick up my little sister from school, and there are some black kids that go there. This lady, black, every day I see her pick up her daughter. She drives a very nice SUV and is always sharply dressed. No way in hell do I assume that she's a drug dealer. Cmon, living in the 'burbs, sharply dressed, no way in hell. And sometimes her husband (i'm guessing) does the picking up. Always got a suit on or casual dress.

Now, if I was driving around in maybe harper woods (pffft yeah right, you couldnt pay me to go down there) or Detroit, and I see a black person driving around in the same car fully loaded ect ect, fuck yes i'm going to assume that he's a drug dealer. Why? Maybe its the area, and the way he's got his hat on along with the chane and earings that are pulling his ears off of his face.

And dont give me that fucking bullshit that you wouldnt think that. Of course you would. Anyone would. Its how the world is. No matter how people say they have no issues with other cultures, and races, guess what, they do. The only difference is now-a-days people are taught to be more tolerant and that openly hating another group isnt socialy acceptable. So you keep your mouth shut.

IMO:

Look through all the shit you've been told, feed and brought up on and judge the people you meet and know by the content of their character.

Didn't Martin Lurther King say that?

I Have a Dream speech?

Pharaoh...

The older people become, the more racist they get. When you're a little kid, you have black friends/chinese friends whatever. When you reach high school, the black kids hung around the black kids, arabs with arabs, etc...

My high school was 30% black and maybe 15% arab... I don't want to hear any excuses about the lack of races/ethnicites. Thats just the way life is. You run with your own.

Exactly. Plus all the influences from older people at home, along with ideas that may be planted into the heads of youth though TV/Radio/Music/Movies, what have you.

When the single black mom says negitive stuff about the white man, her kids hear that and remember it no matter how young they are.

When someone says how dirty and poor the Mexicans in the next county are, kids and teens hear those things.

When Arabs say fuck jews, little arab kids hear that.

And while they may still go hang with their other cultured friends, in the back of their mind, they'll still have those thoughts. And later in life, when it comes time to marry, date, find a spot to live, all those thoughts will come back into play.

"Dont marry her, she's a colored girl. She's ok, but what about the rest of her family."

"Dont move down there, its all mexicans. They'll steal your car radio." (is it wrong that I just cracked my self up?)


And I think its a shame that its like that. I hate that Detroit is the most segragated city in the US. I hate that its like that, but guess what, it is.

Wow, first you start with the KKK isn't so bad


WHAT THE FUCK!?!?!?!

where did i say that? quote me saying the KKK are good guys.I hate the klan, and I hate you too. You're one and the same to me.

You made as if assuming someone is crook is perfectly acceptible and i'm a klan apologist!?!?!

I didn't say the KKK wasn't so bad, I SAID YOU ARE THE SAME AS THE KKK!!!! if i called you a bitch that doesn't make it good to be a bitch either, bitch.






a.pol.o.gist- A person who argues in defense or justification of something, such as a doctrine, policy, or institution.

As in you, arguing in defense of how the Klan isn't really that bad.

whatever bitch. you know yourself you don't make any sense. saying you think like a klansmen is not saying klansmen are good. it's saying your a racist piece of shit. You can't really be that dumb and/or egotistical.

I said the klan don't make public death threats, because they don't. If you say the Klan are aliens from saturn and i tell you you're full of shit I suppose that will make me a klan lover too right?


you - the ku klux klan bombed pearl harbor!

me - what? the KKK ain't bomb pearl harbor

you - oh!!! LOOK!!! He's defending the Klan!!

haha you pathetic fuck.

I guess for me with the whole black thing, it depends on where they live and what they look like. And I hate to admit that, but fuck it, its true and you mother fuckers know i'm not the only one.

Example, I pick up my little sister from school, and there are some black kids that go there. This lady, black, every day I see her pick up her daughter. She drives a very nice SUV and is always sharply dressed. No way in hell do I assume that she's a drug dealer. Cmon, living in the 'burbs, sharply dressed, no way in hell. And sometimes her husband (i'm guessing) does the picking up. Always got a suit on or casual dress.

Now, if I was driving around in maybe harper woods (pffft yeah right, you couldnt pay me to go down there) or Detroit, and I see a black person driving around in the same car fully loaded ect ect, fuck yes i'm going to assume that he's a drug dealer. Why? Maybe its the area, and the way he's got his hat on along with the chane and earings that are pulling his ears off of his face.

And dont give me that fucking bullshit that you wouldnt think that. Of course you would. Anyone would. Its how the world is. No matter how people say they have no issues with other cultures, and races, guess what, they do. The only difference is now-a-days people are taught to be more tolerant and that openly hating another group isnt socialy acceptable. So you keep your mouth shut.

Ok that's the difference between you and me on this subject. those neighborhoods you wouldn't want to go in to are common places for me to have friends in, and of course i visit them. So where as you just assume things, I know things. The truth is completely the opposite though.

The truth is that the bling bling shit is marketed towards black youth. Flip through MTV, BET and VH1 and that's an obvious observation. Having jewelry is the cool thing right now. It isn't uncommon for dudes to spend their whole paycheck on a stupid fucking chain and some rims. It isn't a sign of being a drug dealer as much as it's a sign of being awful with money though. Same as having a real expensive car and a shitty house in the hood. In fact I know guys who worked at car plants for years and do that shit with the nice ass cars and still live in the ghetto.

Also your fear of a poor black neighborhood is overblown. It ain't that big of a deal. I know people love to act like it's a warzone. in reality all that's going to happen is a couple guys are going to ask you for spare change though.

Never said its a war zone, but I sure as hell wouldnt feel safe around there. You act like its a safe area. To you, maybe. To me, no. Its rare that I feel unsafe around strange people, but you wouldnt find me dead in a ghetto.

And I know there are people with that poor money management you're talking about. I'm just saying, thats the 1st thing that comes into my mind. Not my final thought on it.

Never said its a war zone, but I sure as hell wouldnt feel safe around there. You act like its a safe area. To you, maybe. To me, no. Its rare that I feel unsafe around strange people, but you wouldnt find me dead in a ghetto.

And I know there are people with that poor money management you're talking about. I'm just saying, thats the 1st thing that comes into my mind. Not my final thought on it.


Blacks sell blacks the bling thing. You see rap artists showing off their gold, and the shit goes down, dropping entire paychecks on useless jewlery (I remember when $100 Air Jordans were causing all sorts of crap), and stupid-as-fuck spinner rims. I suppose it's not unlike a chick blowing mass $$$ on a shitty Lois Vuitton bag, or Prada shoes.

An idea -- how about a rap act preaching better money management. We'll call him MC Accountunt (can't do anything about the bad spelling).

Answer -- it wouldn't sell for shit.

As for "bad" areas? Show no fear, get no trouble. I deal with the "gangsta" type all the time. Show a little respect, show no fear, and they'll be cool to you most of the time. If you just treat them like normal people, you might be surprised to find that a gangsta is actually a human being, rather than a cold blooded killing machine.

But stay away from the Vietnamese and Armenian gangs. They're fucking crazy in the head.

As for "bad" areas? Show no fear, get no trouble. I deal with the "gangsta" type all the time. Show a little respect, show no fear, and they'll be cool to you most of the time. If you just treat them like normal people, you might be surprised to find that a gangsta is actually a human being, rather than a cold blooded killing machine.



I'll take that a step down. Just know that if you aren't looking for trouble you probably won't find it.

the Reason people always hear stories about the ghetto being so violent towards white people is that the only time the white dudes go there is when they are looking for some sort of fix. Deals are likely to bring that violent element, however they don't think about that. Had they been hanging out, playing ball, doing some work, or just been doing something legal they'd see a whole other side of things.

I SAID YOU ARE THE SAME AS THE KKK!!!!

I have a lower opinion of the KKK than you do and therefore I'm them same as the KKK? You've made a complete ass of yourself in this thread. You really are dumber than you look.

I SAID YOU ARE THE SAME AS THE KKK!!!!

I have a lower opinion of the KKK than you do and therefore I'm them same as the KKK? You've made a complete ass of yourself in this thread. You really are dumber than you look.

Your opinion isn't lower then mine, It's just invalid. The things you dislike about the klan are not 100 percent true, and the things you should hate about the klan are things that you believe in. Opinion doesn't mean shit next to thoughts and actions.

and you don't have a clue how i look.

and the things you should hate about the klan are things that you believe in.

That's where you're completely 100% wrong. Not as a matter of opinion but a matter of fact. The things I disagreed with you on were never things I said I believed but rather things in my opinion were distinct from and not as extreme as the Klan. I never said any of it was "ok" or that I belived in it myself.

It's in that respect that you were pretty much a moron in your comments.

It's in that respect that you were pretty much a moron in your comments.

Uh oh...

and the things you should hate about the klan are things that you believe in.

That's where you're completely 100% wrong. Not as a matter of opinion but a matter of fact. The things I disagreed with you on were never things I said I believed but rather things in my opinion were distinct from and not as extreme as the Klan. I never said any of it was "ok" or that I belived in it myself.

It's in that respect that you were pretty much a moron in your comments.

So you put effort into defending things you don't believe are right... but i'm a moron?

that makes sense, pass the paint chips.

and the things you should hate about the klan are things that you believe in.

That's where you're completely 100% wrong. Not as a matter of opinion but a matter of fact. The things I disagreed with you on were never things I said I believed but rather things in my opinion were distinct from and not as extreme as the Klan. I never said any of it was "ok" or that I belived in it myself.

It's in that respect that you were pretty much a moron in your comments.

So you put effort into defending things you don't believe are right...

Not defending, discussing.



but i'm a moron?


Did I st-st-stutter?

and the things you should hate about the klan are things that you believe in.

That's where you're completely 100% wrong. Not as a matter of opinion but a matter of fact. The things I disagreed with you on were never things I said I believed but rather things in my opinion were distinct from and not as extreme as the Klan. I never said any of it was "ok" or that I belived in it myself.

It's in that respect that you were pretty much a moron in your comments.

So you put effort into defending things you don't believe are right...

Not defending, discussing.



but i'm a moron?


Did I st-st-stutter?

how can i have a 'discussion' with something that has no brain? I just realized I might as well be typing in messages to a pop can.

You defended a social behavior that is the driving force of the klan by saying it isn't as bad as the klan. That's where you fucked up. You still defend it now, by having this 'discussion' while ignoring facts and logic.

Now here's the problem with this post I'm making, It really serves no purpose. Your argument, or 'discussion', was beaten already. That's why your last post didn't have anything new to offer. It was more like an imate that is about to be executed saying his last words. You just felt you had to say something, and despite having no new observation, perspective or even witty insults to throw out you typed this dumb shit. I'm under your skin now, but you're already dead. Now i'm going to let you bury yourself.

You defended a social behavior that is the driving force of the klan by saying it isn't as bad as the klan. That's where you fucked up. You still defend it now, by having this 'discussion' while ignoring facts and logic.


...and you're still wrong. I didn't defend it. I described it. You're too stupid to understand that distinction so you keep making yourself look like an idiot. Keep digging, it's fun to watch.

Me smells a Terrordome split?

Me smells a Terrordome split?

i'm putting this back up, i bet geerussell (whoever the fuck that is) will have another post saying nothing.

Me smells a Terrordome split?

I'm not only wrong but I have way too much time on my hands.

Agreed.

If a white guy, a black guy and a guy from the middle east are going for the same job, who is the most likely not to get the job no matter who has the best creditials for the job?


I didn't bother reading the four pages of this, but I thought I would answer this one for you.

The white man.

Hello affirmative action. Ask this question anywhere on the campus of the University of Michigan, and you'll get the 'stare'.

The problem with racism is, it means different things to different people.

"that man called me a nigger".

If that's the worst thing that Dr. King had to deal with, he wouldn't have needed a dream.

If you haven't been a victim of true hate racism, you have no room to talk about it.

I'm included in this group.

If a white guy, a black guy and a guy from the middle east are going for the same job, who is the most likely not to get the job no matter who has the best creditials for the job?


I didn't bother reading the four pages of this, but I thought I would answer this one for you.

The white man.

Hello affirmative action. Ask this question anywhere on the campus of the University of Michigan, and you'll get the 'stare'.


U of M is actually a pretty good example of how the effects of affirmative action on whites are grossly exaggerated. The fall 2005 freshman class was 7% african american, 63% caucasian. Those numbers have been pretty steady going back over the last five years, yet opponents of affirmative action will make it sound like whites are being shut out or oppressed by it. The truth is that all it does is make sure that a few fully qualified people who aren't white actually get a shot.

http://sitemaker.umich.edu/obpinfo/files/umaa_freshprof.pdf

According to a friend of mine who works in admissions there, the key isn't the total numbers of admissions, becuase that number reflects a percentage of the applications.

The number that was 'audited' so to speak by the goverment a few years back was the qualifiers. In other words, an Asian student with a 27 ACT score and a 3.45GPA would get accepted, but the white student that has a 29 ACT and a 3.70 GPA would get declined.

It's hard to justify this in large frame of mind, but when you look at closer cases, it's still around.

The problem with the whole idea of racism isn't even related to this, and I'll admit that I was just taking a pot shot at UofM with it.. but it's a whole other discussion that is valid.

I'm rambling.

Alot of people want to ignore the benefits of affirmative action, and try to make it sound like only black people benefit from it. Truth is everyone gets a better education when they are put into a true to life multi-cultural enviroment as opposed to a completely white upper-middle class educational system that only gets a student familar with dealing with one type of person. Instead all people talk about is the white guys who got turned away.

Affirmative Action is merely a bandage covering the real problem: inner city educational opportunities. Lack of books. Lack of computers. Lack of qualified teachers. Lack of hope.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/07/25/38410.htm


Wimberly's mother is the school's "certified media specialist." She says in the federal discrimination complaint that after her daughter had been told she would be valedictorian, the mother heard "in the copy room that same day, other school personnel expressed concern that Wimberly's status as valedictorian might cause a 'big mess.'"
McGehee Secondary School is predominantly white, and 46 percent African-American, according to the complaint. Bratton says that the day after she heard the "big mess" comment, McGehee Principal Darrell Thompson, a defendant, told her "that he decided to name a white student as co-valedictorian," although the white student had a lower G.P.A.

GEezus...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF1NUposXVQ

^^ quality stuff

WTG LP!!!! Where you been man??

It took me a while to figure out that I'm LP. Derp.
and I've been lurking wishing that more people posted here.